I actually wrote this on a MJ board, but wondered what your thoughts on this subject is:

Joy in Reptition sounds timeless... Yes recorded in '86 but released in 1990.

V10LETBLUES said:

yep his 90's music is pretty awful as a whole. A few great tracks here and there but mostly worse than any major recording artist should be. What happened? Why such a dramatic turn for the worst in such a short time? That's the greatest mystery in RocknRoll.

apart from Come,which I think is mostly brilliant,I agree with you.

so much mediocrity.

the best songs on GB are from the 80s.

Actually I think the exact opposite. Most of Dangerous has that dated NJS sound. Erotica, janet. and The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale sound like a moment in history, of course, but nowhere near as dated as those terrible Teddy Riley tracks.

It won't be kind to some of his 2000's either.

Personally, I don't mind dated as long as it sounds good.

MattyJam said:

I actually wrote this on a MJ board, but wondered what your thoughts on this subject is:

If you listen to some of Madonna, Janet and Prince's early 90s albums, a lot of that stuff sounds very much "of its time." But stuff like In The Closet, Who Is It, Dangerous, Give Into Me, Will You Be There, Jam... those songs could be released today and, granted it wouldn't sound like contemporary chart music, but it wouldn't sound dated either. You don't listen to those songs and think "yeah, that's what music sounded like in 1991."

But look at what Madonna was doing back then, stuff like Rescue Me, Vogue, Fever, Deeper & Deeper - it sounds like early 90s dance music. Or the brilliant "janet" album from 93, as much as I love it, stuff like You Want This, Throb, This Time, New Agenda, Funky Big Band, Because Of Love etc does sound like it was early 90s to my ears. And don't even get me started on Prince's early 90's music because that has aged worse than anybody's.

You sound ridiculous. MJ's Dangerous was dated when it dropped!!! NewJackSwing was over at that point.

warning2all said:

Losing/Firing Most of his most talented collaborator's.

Warner Brothers & Prince fighting.

Marrying Mayte & trying to 'Kill' off the old/TRUE Prince that the world adored.

V10LETBLUES said:

yep his 90's music is pretty awful as a whole. A few great tracks here and there but mostly worse than any major recording artist should be. What happened? Why such a dramatic turn for the worst in such a short time? That's the greatest mystery in RocknRoll.

funksterr said:

MattyJam said:

I actually wrote this on a MJ board, but wondered what your thoughts on this subject is:

If you listen to some of Madonna, Janet and Prince's early 90s albums, a lot of that stuff sounds very much "of its time." But stuff like In The Closet, Who Is It, Dangerous, Give Into Me, Will You Be There, Jam... those songs could be released today and, granted it wouldn't sound like contemporary chart music, but it wouldn't sound dated either. You don't listen to those songs and think "yeah, that's what music sounded like in 1991."

But look at what Madonna was doing back then, stuff like Rescue Me, Vogue, Fever, Deeper & Deeper - it sounds like early 90s dance music. Or the brilliant "janet" album from 93, as much as I love it, stuff like You Want This, Throb, This Time, New Agenda, Funky Big Band, Because Of Love etc does sound like it was early 90s to my ears. And don't even get me started on Prince's early 90's music because that has aged worse than anybody's.

You sound ridiculous. MJ's Dangerous was dated when it dropped!!! NewJackSwing was over at that point.

Haha, I've obviously hit a nerve! If you think crap like Daddy Pop, Willing & Able, Tick Tick Bang, Thunder, Cream, Strollin, The Continental, The Max, Push, Jughead stands alongside masterpieces like Who Is It, Give Into Me and Will You Be There then you're in denial.

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MattyJam said:

funksterr said:

You sound ridiculous. MJ's Dangerous was dated when it dropped!!! NewJackSwing was over at that point.

Haha, I've obviously hit a nerve! If you think crap like Daddy Pop, Willing & Able, Tick Tick Bang, Thunder, Cream, Strollin, The Continental, The Max, Push, Jughead stands alongside masterpieces like Who Is It, Give Into Me and Will You Be There then you're in denial.

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shut this damn thread down! Not only is it about MJ but it's clearly hammered drunk and outta control

MattyJam said:

funksterr said:

You sound ridiculous. MJ's Dangerous was dated when it dropped!!! NewJackSwing was over at that point.

Haha, I've obviously hit a nerve! If you think crap like Daddy Pop, Willing & Able, Tick Tick Bang, Thunder, Cream, Strollin, The Continental, The Max, Push, Jughead stands alongside masterpieces like Who Is It, Give Into Me and Will You Be There then you're in denial.

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Huh.

You just randomly listed some Prince tracks that many fans really like and some that most of us don't care about. You're the one in denial if you think we're supposed to agree with you that they are "crap" and are supposed to consider those three MJ tracks above them without a question.

"Who is It", "Give Into Me" and "WIll You Be There" are just as dated as what's on the Diamonds & Pearls album. The pseudo-grunge of "Give Into Me" in particular died over 20 years ago.

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Dangerous and the beats by Teddy Riley still sound ahead of it's time... Whoever saying it sounds dated must listen to the beats of In The Closet, Who Is It, Why You Wanna Trip On Me.

feeluupp said:

Dangerous and the beats by Teddy Riley still sound ahead of it's time... Whoever saying it sounds dated must listen to the beats of In The Closet, Who Is It, Why You Wanna Trip On Me.

Agreed.

MattyJam said:

funksterr said:

You sound ridiculous. MJ's Dangerous was dated when it dropped!!! NewJackSwing was over at that point.

Haha, I've obviously hit a nerve! If you think crap like Daddy Pop, Willing & Able, Tick Tick Bang, Thunder, Cream, Strollin, The Continental, The Max, Push, Jughead stands alongside masterpieces like Who Is It, Give Into Me and Will You Be There then you're in denial.

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Not like MJ doesnt have dated material on HIStory as well. This Time Around and You Are Not Alone screamed 90s cheese.

There is just more of it from Prince given he has released more 90s material than many longtime artists.

MattyJam said:

funksterr said:

You sound ridiculous. MJ's Dangerous was dated when it dropped!!! NewJackSwing was over at that point.

Haha, I've obviously hit a nerve! If you think crap like Daddy Pop, Willing & Able, Tick Tick Bang, Thunder, Cream, Strollin, The Continental, The Max, Push, Jughead stands alongside masterpieces like Who Is It, Give Into Me and Will You Be There then you're in denial.

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You are also in denial , the whole Dangerous album is so fucking dated and who is it , give into me and will you be there are not masterpieces. Have you opinion by all means , but stop telling others their in denial just because their opinions don't comform to yours. Looks to me funksterr it a nerve with you.

Guitarhero said:

MattyJam said:

Haha, I've obviously hit a nerve! If you think crap like Daddy Pop, Willing & Able, Tick Tick Bang, Thunder, Cream, Strollin, The Continental, The Max, Push, Jughead stands alongside masterpieces like Who Is It, Give Into Me and Will You Be There then you're in denial.

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You are also in denial , the whole Dangerous album is so fucking dated and who is it , give into me and will you be there are not masterpieces. Have you opinion by all means , but stop telling others their in denial just because their opinions don't comform to yours. Looks to me funksterr it a nerve with you.

funny...

MattyJam said:

I actually wrote this on a MJ board, but wondered what your thoughts on this subject is:

If you listen to some of Madonna, Janet and Prince's early 90s albums, a lot of that stuff sounds very much "of its time." But stuff like In The Closet, Who Is It, Dangerous, Give Into Me, Will You Be There, Jam... those songs could be released today and, granted it wouldn't sound like contemporary chart music, but it wouldn't sound dated either. You don't listen to those songs and think "yeah, that's what music sounded like in 1991."

But look at what Madonna was doing back then, stuff like Rescue Me, Vogue, Fever, Deeper & Deeper - it sounds like early 90s dance music. Or the brilliant "janet" album from 93, as much as I love it, stuff like You Want This, Throb, This Time, New Agenda, Funky Big Band, Because Of Love etc does sound like it was early 90s to my ears. And don't even get me started on Prince's early 90's music because that has aged worse than anybody's.

Teddy Riley's tracks on Dangerous were incredibly ahead of their time. I remember spending a day in front of MTV in an airport's cafe in early 2001 and thinking "damn, everything today sounds like Dangerous 10 years ago!"

Comparing anything from that time to Dangerous and calling it dated is unfair because Dangerous was such a visionary work. All that stuff was of its time and relevant back then, including P's music.

databank said:

MattyJam said:

I actually wrote this on a MJ board, but wondered what your thoughts on this subject is:

Teddy Riley's tracks on Dangerous were incredibly ahead of their time. I remember spending a day in front of MTV in an airport's cafe in early 2001 and thinking "damn, everything today sounds like Dangerous 10 years ago!"

Comparing anything from that time to Dangerous and calling it dated is unfair because Dangerous was such a visionary work. All that stuff was of its time and relevant back then, including P's music.

Completely agree!!! Just the story behind the production of how MJ wanted Teddy Riley to live at his house all those months... The production does not seem dated at all. The instrumental tracks on most of the songs on that album are still ahead of it's time... Just listen to the intro of Why You Wanna Trip On Me... I mean come on people who is saying that is dated!!

Hmmm. I would disagree. Good music is good music. If your ear is trained to sway with the times, then it may sound 'dated' I suppose. If your ear is trained to what's 'good' irrespective of the decade, there's really no difference in the way it sounds.

Time can't do anything to music. It's the perspective that changes (for some).

MattyJam said:

EmmaMcG said:

MattyJam said:

Haha, I've obviously hit a nerve! If you think crap like Daddy Pop, Willing & Able, Tick Tick Bang, Thunder, Cream, Strollin, The Continental, The Max, Push, Jughead stands alongside masterpieces like Who Is It, Give Into Me and Will You Be There then you're in denial.

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Despite my earlier comments about not liking the majority of Prince's early 90's stuff, I still think Cream and The Continental are much better than the MJ songs you list here. Masterpieces? Seriously???

Who Is It is widely considered by a lot of fans to be the best song he ever wrote.

I disagree. For me 90s Prince is the best music of his career. I like the early 90s in general though so for me thats the best for not just Prince but music in general. To each their own. Everyone will like different eras of music and that is fine

feeluupp said: