It is disposable. It lacks substance. If it were a food, it would be cotton candy. It is gutless, mindless, and inorganic - just the opposite of what Prince has given us these last few decades. It isnt real. I can remember Prince shouting "real music by real musicians" onstage through the early 2000's only to come to Hit n Run today.

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Agreed.

Angelsoncrack said:

Whilst I agree that EDM trends move fast ( mostly because it's the most popular form of music in the charts and has been for some time), I think you are underestimating electronic music. All I can say about this thread is 'ooh dis gon be good'.

Ya vastly oversimplifying 'edm'....there is a vast amount of genres and subgenres and disposable music it is not. There is alot of great house, deep house, soulful deep house, techno, deep tech, minimal etc etc etc...its a dj/producer driven for the most part and I couldnt be happier that Prince is finally doing it.

terrig said:

Prince is finally doing it.

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Prince isn't doing it. He's recording exactly the same bland pop music as before, except he now has a flunky add these cheap sounds instead of the usual. There's nothing on HNR that shows any grasp of EDM et al; he was far more in touch with the genre on the opening three songs of the Nude Tour when there was a relentless beat pushing The Future/1999/Housequake.

Is it suppose to be titled"The problem with EDM IS the fact that Prince is doing it"? He did "EDM" way better years ago. Strange But True runs circles around most of HNR, as others have stated remixes of his own works in "house" or "techno" styles prior to 2000 are superior in sound and more creative than most of the modern EDM sounds. Alot of the shit kids listen to today, the producers use these sound packs... the same sound packs. Prince used to make the sounds. The funny thing about Prince is that he was considered a pioneer of the synth/computer sound and an inspiration for electronic music before it was corny-ed into being called EDM. He ignored the movement for damn near 20 years and now we got this.

I don't wanna hear Prince say "real Music by real musicians" anymore... it sure sounds false now right?


It has been a long time since he was doing socalled "real music".

I like HitNRun, but... (you know)... his phrases aren't working not suitable anymore..

Just like when he said "Prince is dead long live the New Power Generation"...

Time to stop saying these things..... dated... makes him look a little foolish now.. and I know theres a lot of you who does not consider the new HnR album as "real music" anyway..... right?

What on earth is an EDM?

Real music by real musicians....blah blah.

Angelsoncrack said:

Whilst I agree that EDM trends move fast ( mostly because it's the most popular form of music in the charts and has been for some time), I think you are underestimating electronic music. All I can say about this thread is 'ooh dis gon be good'.

I know electronic music - and EDM does not encompass all of it. I made no estimation on electronic music - just EDM.

JKOOLMUSIC said:

Is it suppose to be titled"The problem with EDM IS the fact that Prince is doing it"? He did "EDM" way better years ago. Strange But True runs circles around most of HNR, as others have stated remixes of his own works in "house" or "techno" styles prior to 2000 are superior in sound and more creative than most of the modern EDM sounds. Alot of the shit kids listen to today, the producers use these sound packs... the same sound packs. Prince used to make the sounds. The funny thing about Prince is that he was considered a pioneer of the synth/computer sound and an inspiration for electronic music before it was corny-ed into being called EDM. He ignored the movement for damn near 20 years and now we got this.

Hell, Something in The Water came before Strange But True - gems both. In fact, damn near 1/2 of the 1999 album obliterates the electro garbage out there today. In that way, Prince was actually 30 some years ahead of everything.

Your point that Prince used to MAKE sounds is quite salient. This is the organic quality of electronic music that Prince mastered before every EDM "artist" or producer was even born.

KingSausage said:

The problem is EDM sucks and it sucks harder when Prince does it.

THe best thing I have ever seen you post

It's not a problem if you just don't listen to it.

Take Kamasutra... I solved that one by never getting that record.

Reading the Org, it seems the ideal Prince would be a puppet with about 20,000 strings -- one for each individual hardcore fan.

Aerogram said:

It's not a problem if you just don't listen to it.

Take Kamasutra... I solved that one by never getting that record.

Reading the Org, it seems the ideal Prince would be a puppet with about 20,000 strings -- one for each individual hardcore fan.

"Just dont listen to it" makes absolutely no sense in regard to analyzing the music itself - that would only solve the problem of an individual who considers it an irritant. Critics analyze work that they dont like all the time for a living because an intelligent analysis is required and necessary to many. Listening is the only way to provide a credible, legitimate, and intelligent opinion of any artist's work - especially one that is loved and admired by so many for so long.

terrig said:

Angelsoncrack said:

Whilst I agree that EDM trends move fast ( mostly because it's the most popular form of music in the charts and has been for some time), I think you are underestimating electronic music. All I can say about this thread is 'ooh dis gon be good'.

Ya vastly oversimplifying 'edm'....there is a vast amount of genres and subgenres and disposable music it is not. There is alot of great house, deep house, soulful deep house, techno, deep tech, minimal etc etc etc...its a dj/producer driven for the most part and I couldnt be happier that Prince is finally doing it.

Calling it all crap is not oversimplifying if one has knowledge of it all. I was well versed for decades prior to the birth of all the genres. I saw them come and I know them so I know that for the most part they are crap.

FUNKYNESS said:

terrig said:

Ya vastly oversimplifying 'edm'....there is a vast amount of genres and subgenres and disposable music it is not. There is alot of great house, deep house, soulful deep house, techno, deep tech, minimal etc etc etc...its a dj/producer driven for the most part and I couldnt be happier that Prince is finally doing it.

Calling it all crap is not oversimplifying if one has knowledge of it all. I was well versed for decades prior to the birth of all the genres. I saw them come and I know them so I know that for the most part they are crap.

No, for what its designed for and who its designed for and why its done the way it is....its not crap. AND, its endured, club culture is going nowhere.....I agree that HNR was not utilizing the best of whats out there or the best of what could be done....but dance music is great, go dig out anything by or with francois k and tell me its crap - or danny krivit --- or dennis ferrer...or frankie knuckles -- or carl cox or derrick may, kevin saunderson -- its not all skrillex, but he does have his place and his audience and there is room always to innovate in the form....

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FUNKYNESS said:

Aerogram said:

It's not a problem if you just don't listen to it.

Take Kamasutra... I solved that one by never getting that record.

Reading the Org, it seems the ideal Prince would be a puppet with about 20,000 strings -- one for each individual hardcore fan.

"Just dont listen to it" makes absolutely no sense in regard to analyzing the music itself - that would only solve the problem of an individual who considers it an irritant. Critics analyze work that they dont like all the time for a living because an intelligent analysis is required and necessary to many. Listening is the only way to provide a credible, legitimate, and intelligent opinion of any artist's work - especially one that is loved and admired by so many for so long.

Of course I mean "don't listen to it if it's not your cup of tea".

I'm not fond of Planet Earth, others are. I don't listen to it, they do.

See? Problem solved.

Oooh, I nearly missed todays, Hitnrun is shit thread.

I'm still really enjoying the album.

let's face it.....you know he secretly wants his music to sound like this and be played on this kind of dance floor........

TheEnglishGent said:

Very often the problem with Prince is the speed at which he records. It often gets in the way of crafting the sounds he uses. You can make any classic song sounds god aweful if you use nasty synth/guitar/drum/pad/string sounds etc and far too little attention appears to be paid to this. Its all about knocking the song out and then getting it to the audience. This is how you deal with demo's, not finished product.

I would dearly love for Prince to stop using straight out of the box sounds and spend some time crafting the sound as much as the song. The production of an amazing album is at least as important as the songs in my opinion. If you look at an artists like Beck or REM for example, or any artist who has had massive success, huge amounts of time are spent on just getting the guitar sound or the bass sound or the drum sound right.

Even if they use Soft Synths predominantly on Hit N Run, they could filter and twist up the sounds or combine them with other patches to come up with something unique and individual. The problem is most of the tracks on Hit N Run sound like they have been produced by a teenager in his home studio with a new soft synth to plug in to his sequencer and is just playing around with the straight out of the box patches.

At the end the recording process the songs get sent off to a mastering house where any bag of shite song can be made to sound at least professional in terms of audio quality, but nothing it can't do anything about the raw material going in to the process.

FUNKYNESS said:

terrig said:

Ya vastly oversimplifying 'edm'....there is a vast amount of genres and subgenres and disposable music it is not. There is alot of great house, deep house, soulful deep house, techno, deep tech, minimal etc etc etc...its a dj/producer driven for the most part and I couldnt be happier that Prince is finally doing it.

Calling it all crap is not oversimplifying if one has knowledge of it all. I was well versed for decades prior to the birth of all the genres. I saw them come and I know them so I know that for the most part they are crap.

Define: 'crap'.

Do you mean you dislike the sound of the music itself or how it is made (ie: the skills needed to create said music)? If you dislike the sound itself, that is fair enough. Different strokes for different folks. However, if you're saying it's bad because it's 'lazy' or anything along those lines you're severely mistaken.

To say that electronic music is easy to make is a huge understatement. Especially old-school electronic music that uses the actual physical synths themselves rather than just computer generated that you can get today. That demands learning the instrument itself and also how to track. Just like a guitar or any other instrument of it's sort, it demands time to learn and basic knowledge of music theory.

Whilst I will agree that nowadays it is much easier to create electronic music for the everyday man because all you need is a computer, a midi controller and some software (I mean hell, my brother makes stuff like that and has a small set up), you still need to know how to use the software. And even then to really stand out you have to be original.

I'm not the biggest fan of newer electronic genres myself and much more prefer '80s house and techno but I would never write off every single new electronic genre as 'crap'.

Prince has incorperated electronic dance styles into his albums since pretty much the start anyways. He incorperated disco, new wave, hip-hop etc into his music throughout the years and all of those genres demand some form of electronic element.

You also need to keep in mind that the sounds you are hearing on HitNRun aren't even necessarily Prince himself. They're of Josh's doing. Josh has grown up with this sort of music so it's only natural that he's really into it and would want to put it into his producing.

Angelsoncrack said:

FUNKYNESS said:

Calling it all crap is not oversimplifying if one has knowledge of it all. I was well versed for decades prior to the birth of all the genres. I saw them come and I know them so I know that for the most part they are crap.

Define: 'crap'.

Do you mean you dislike the sound of the music itself or how it is made (ie: the skills needed to create said music)? If you dislike the sound itself, that is fair enough. Different strokes for different folks. However, if you're saying it's bad because it's 'lazy' or anything along those lines you're severely mistaken.

To say that electronic music is easy to make is a huge understatement. Especially old-school electronic music that uses the actual physical synths themselves rather than just computer generated that you can get today. That demands learning the instrument itself and also how to track. Just like a guitar or any other instrument of it's sort, it demands time to learn and basic knowledge of music theory.

Whilst I will agree that nowadays it is much easier to create electronic music for the everyday man because all you need is a computer, a midi controller and some software (I mean hell, my brother makes stuff like that and has a small set up), you still need to know how to use the software. And even then to really stand out you have to be original.

I'm not the biggest fan of newer electronic genres myself and much more prefer '80s house and techno but I would never write off every single new electronic genre as 'crap'.

Prince has incorperated electronic dance styles into his albums since pretty much the start anyways. He incorperated disco, new wave, hip-hop etc into his music throughout the years and all of those genres demand some form of electronic element.

You also need to keep in mind that the sounds you are hearing on HitNRun aren't even necessarily Prince himself. They're of Josh's doing. Josh has grown up with this sort of music so it's only natural that he's really into it and would want to put it into his producing.

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This is a great point!! All of that awful, packaged music from the late 90s/early 00s is about to become the "old school" for a slew of new music by kids who just don't know the difference. In this sense, one could argue that eventually HITNRUN with its arguably bland or predictable production could serve as an introduction or inspiration to dive into Prince's expansive, incredible back catalog.

FUNKYNESS said:

It is disposable. It lacks substance. If it were a food, it would be cotton candy. It is gutless, mindless, and inorganic - just the opposite of what Prince has given us these last few decades. It isnt real. I can remember Prince shouting "real music by real musicians" onstage through the early 2000's only to come to Hit n Run today.

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Moaning thread of the week. How many threads do u need to create before you're satisfied?

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skywalker said:

Prince has always taken trends and mutated them to his own thing. For better or worse. - Some people didn't like it when he went psychedelic and incorporated 60's Beatlesesque sounds into his mix in '85. Some did. Some didn't like when he incorporated elements of hip hop into his mix in the late 80'/early 90's. Some did. - Different strokes for different folks. I think he wears some music styles better than others. I think it's ironic that Prince fans are going to fault Prince for playing with different/new music trends 30+ years into his career.

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Fans who complain about Prince doing EDM are wrong. (Although Prince really really needs to stay away from the output by the likes of Guetta et al.)

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Fans who complain about Prince doing SHITTY EDM are right. HNR is to EDM what Tony M is to rap.

kidsherriff said:

Very often the problem with Prince is the speed at which he records.

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That's part of the problem yes, and it's one that emerged in the second half of the 1990s. Before that he often spent a lot of time of records, just look at how long he worked on Jill Jones' record.

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Not that extensive work is always a good thing: he produced D&P to death. But then that record never was going to be any good.

FUNKYNESS said:

It is disposable. It lacks substance. If it were a food, it would be cotton candy. It is gutless, mindless, and inorganic - just the opposite of what Prince has given us these last few decades. It isnt real. I can remember Prince shouting "real music by real musicians" onstage through the early 2000's only to come to Hit n Run today.

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You really can't see past your own point of view? Or is this just another troll thread?

First, on record and on stage are two different things. When Prince calls out "real music yadayada" he is almost always on stage. What you're doing, is taking one quote and trying to apply it so something different. Which isn't easy given Prince's use of drum machines over the years.

Second, everything you said about EDM is wrong.

BartVanHemelen said:

skywalker said:

Prince has always taken trends and mutated them to his own thing. For better or worse. - Some people didn't like it when he went psychedelic and incorporated 60's Beatlesesque sounds into his mix in '85. Some did. Some didn't like when he incorporated elements of hip hop into his mix in the late 80'/early 90's. Some did. - Different strokes for different folks. I think he wears some music styles better than others. I think it's ironic that Prince fans are going to fault Prince for playing with different/new music trends 30+ years into his career.

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Fans who complain about Prince doing EDM are wrong. (Although Prince really really needs to stay away from the output by the likes of Guetta et al.)

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Fans who complain about Prince doing SHITTY EDM are right. HNR is to EDM what Tony M is to rap.

I can actually agree with you here, even thoughI really LIKE HNR for what its is which is fun cotton candy...its a fun record that is disposable, not the end of the world, his career or any harbinger of doom lolololol