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Thread started 09/30/15 4:09am

controversy99

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Live albums

Prince is one of the best live performers of the past 40 years. And there are dozens possibly hundreds of live boots that document some amazing shows. But his actually released live albums aren't that great or representative.

Do you think Prince has purposely not released his best live recordings in order to encourage concert going? And do you think he'll release a great live album?

Live albums
1. One Nite Alone ... Live, ok, but if you don't like the lyrics of The Rainbow Children (and I don't), then you're not going to enjoy this

2. It Ain't Over - a solid set of performances

3. C-NOTE - an odd release, I like it, but it's too short and is hardly the best of the soundchecks from that tour

4. Indigo Nights - pretty lame, especially considering all the great material he could choose from, The Question of U is dominated by piano noodling rather than a great guitar solo like it usually is. Whole Lotta Love doesn't have any lyrics and devolves into an instrumental cover of Free Willy rather than using the Free Willy riff as part of grander guitar solo.

He could release some truly fantastic aftershows, but it hasn't happened yet.
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Reply #1 posted 09/30/15 4:30am

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It's almost criminal that Prince doesn't have several official live classic albums that are widely acclaimed documenting his career. What he has released is like whofarted
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Reply #2 posted 09/30/15 5:22am

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I agree.... sad




I like "Joy In Repetion" amazing live version..... (and thats the only song)... from It Ain't Over...

And.............. that's it.... the rest of those official live albums = [insert your own nasty word]

sad

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Reply #3 posted 09/30/15 7:43am

Guitarhero

Yes it's one of his strangest decisions ever never to release some live albums of his best concerts , he could of released them free with his albums 80-95 and beyond and then none fans could see what all the fuss is. He could of done a live album of new songs too. music

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Reply #4 posted 09/30/15 8:35am

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thedance said:

I agree.... sad




I like "Joy In Repetion" amazing live version..... (and thats the only song)... from It Ain't Over...

And..... that's it.... the rest of those official live albums = [insert your own nasty word]

sad


"When U Were Mine" from One Nite Alone Live is a pretty good version (I think)
Also "Strange Relationship".
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Reply #5 posted 09/30/15 9:14am

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I'd settle for just one disc from every Prince tour, but I know other acts like Pearl Jam sell almost every concert.

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Reply #6 posted 09/30/15 11:51am

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It would make sense not to put out any live albums now when he's not the draw he used to be. However, why he hasn't put them out in the past is truly mind-boggling. Maybe if he had, it would have smoothed out some of his more eccentric behaviors. Plus it would have cemented his rep as an amazing live performer in the non-fans eyes. Therefore providing a bigger more rabid non-fan audience(at least in America)for his current live gigs.
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Reply #7 posted 09/30/15 12:11pm

NorthC

Perhaps he regards a concert as something that you need to experience in the moment and when it's over, it's over. Here is something he said in Mojo magazine in 1996 when he was asked that same question:
"Maybe it's because a live album is such a definitive statement. I don't like definite statements. (...) Live versions can be radically different from the original version. That's one of the reasons why I guess. But that's okay. All these ol' jazz cats never made definitive versions."
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Reply #8 posted 09/30/15 12:11pm

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luv2tha99s said:

It would make sense not to put out any live albums now when he's not the draw he used to be. However, why he hasn't put them out in the past is truly mind-boggling. Maybe if he had, it would have smoothed out some of his more eccentric behaviors. Plus it would have cemented his rep as an amazing live performer in the non-fans eyes. Therefore providing a bigger more rabid non-fan audience(at least in America)for his current live gigs.

I for one would buy the live albums in a heartbeat and i bet most fans would too , all the old concerts starting from 1980. Even if he's not the draw he once was , many none Prince fans were at his concerts in the UK in 2014 and loved it. Lots of none fans i know would love to have some live albums from his heyday because they have always heard from music critics how great he his live.

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Reply #9 posted 09/30/15 4:49pm

luvsexy4all

why didnt he release the "Uptown Live" lp from 1981 ??

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Reply #10 posted 09/30/15 6:05pm

berlinas2k

This thread is spot on which is why the 2009 Montreux shows not getting a release is such a shame.
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Reply #11 posted 09/30/15 11:29pm

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berlinas2k said:

This thread is spot on which is why the 2009 Montreux shows not getting a release is such a shame.

Not to mention the 2013 shows...

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Reply #12 posted 10/01/15 9:23am

Chas

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I totally agree. How hard would it be to print up 10,000 copies of a 2cd set containing the best show from the latest tour. Sell it as a limited edition, like $50 or something. Just the die-hards would buy every copy, he'd make half-a-million bucks for something he was already paid for (playing the concert in the first place). The

whole thing would cost him about a buck per CD.

Would he do it? Hell no. "I'm all about looking forward..."

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Reply #13 posted 10/01/15 3:47pm

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mynameisnotsusan said:

It's almost criminal that Prince doesn't have several official live classic albums that are widely acclaimed documenting his career. What he has released is like whofarted

Pretty much. This would've been easy to do. Now, with album sales so much lower, it wouldn't be as successful as it could've been. Every year he waits he's probably losing 30,000 units of sales, $300,000 sales, and potential addition of 10,000 dedicated fans.
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Reply #14 posted 10/02/15 8:53am

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Maybe we can ask for some live music 2 b released. It worked for PrittyPriss asking 4 Free Urself 2b released for purrchase. So....dear dear Prince, Please please please release some live music so all that could not attend in person and xperience can listen 2 a live recording and groove in the vibe. Thank U...thank U...thank U.
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Reply #15 posted 10/02/15 8:57am

luvsexy4all

anyone know what possessed him to relase that one night alone live set?

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Reply #16 posted 10/02/15 9:26am

raddahone

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luvsexy4all said:

anyone know what possessed him to relase that one night alone live set?


I can't say why Prince released it; however, i can say that being there live during Anna Stesia and feeling how the vibe created an nrg that went so high, it is one of those moments that i don't ever want to forget that feeling, live and living. It was like breaking through in2 the other side. It was a feeling that God in all of Us was in 1ness...
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Reply #17 posted 10/02/15 9:27am

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raddahone said:

luvsexy4all said:

anyone know what possessed him to relase that one night alone live set?

I can't say why Prince released it; however, i can say that being there live during Anna Stesia and feeling how the vibe created an nrg that went so high, it is one of those moments that i don't ever want to forget that feeling, live and living. It was like breaking through in2 the other side. It was a feeling that God in all of Us was in 1ness...

true all that..but it isnt definitve of his live prowess

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Reply #18 posted 10/02/15 9:54am

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A cd of the New Power Soul tour was closed to being released through npg records / love4oneanother website in 99. Judging from the Live NYC cassette, it would have been heavily overdubbed confused

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Reply #19 posted 10/02/15 9:55am

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luvsexy4all said:



raddahone said:


luvsexy4all said:

anyone know what possessed him to relase that one night alone live set?



I can't say why Prince released it; however, i can say that being there live during Anna Stesia and feeling how the vibe created an nrg that went so high, it is one of those moments that i don't ever want to forget that feeling, live and living. It was like breaking through in2 the other side. It was a feeling that God in all of Us was in 1ness...

true all that..but it isnt definitve of his live prowess


Agree- the diamond has many facets - many dimensions. The precision of delivery live that he exhibits is undeniable - yes, prowess!
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Reply #20 posted 10/02/15 10:35am

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Why would an egotist like Prince want to show people how badass he is? Boggles.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #21 posted 10/02/15 10:37am

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I think one of the reasons that Prince doesn't release live music is that live music doesn't enable him the control that a studio release does. There can be little mistakes, quirks, etc., with live music that isn't there on a studio album. In a studio, you can always go back and do it again. You can't do that with a live performance. I have a friend that plays in a band and I much prefer the live versions of his music, with all the happy little mistakes, than I do the more controlled releases of the studio sessions. It's like watching The Who's "Live at the Isle of Wight 1970" or Pink Floyd's "Live at Pompeii", or Hendrix at Woodstock, there is a power to those live performances, a dynamic of intensity that takes your breath away, that is missing in studio versions. That's not to say studio versions don't have some of that, but when you can experience a performance with more than just the sense of hearing, it definitely adds another dimension to the music. I would love for him to release a DVD of a live performance. "Sign O' The Times" DVD still brings me to my knees in awe. As for an audio release of recorded music from a live performance, it still holds that power, but not as strongly for me if I'm engaging more than one sense to the experience.

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Reply #22 posted 10/02/15 1:58pm

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RumAndRaisin said:

A cd of the New Power Soul tour was closed to being released through npg records / love4oneanother website in 99. Judging from the Live NYC cassette, it would have been heavily overdubbed confused

Interesting, I've never heard that. What's your source?

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Reply #23 posted 10/02/15 2:11pm

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Contrarily to most, I'm pretty happy with the official releases so far. There could have been MUCH MORE I agree, but I like what we got.

There is one live album that's never discussed, maybe because it was a pretty obscure release, which is "Tramps (New York, NY), Sept 26, 1998" (available for purchase on a website Luv4u won't allow anyone to name).

I also think a discussion about live album isn't really complete if we omit The War and even more all the video albums (Double Live, Sign "O" The Times, Lovesexy Live 1, Lovesexy Live 2, The Sacrifice Of Victor, Beautiful Strange, Rave Un2 The Year 2000 and Live At The Aladdin Las Vegas). Those video albums are part of the official canon documenting Prince's live performances nod

All together that's 14 live albums: 6 audio and 8 video, which is reasonable for 37 years of career, even though Prince's live career is so prolific that there should be dozens of shows made available.

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Reply #24 posted 10/02/15 2:27pm

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^And even putting all those videos on youtube is too much to ask. confused
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Reply #25 posted 10/02/15 2:50pm

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prittypriss said:

In a studio, you can always go back and do it again. You can't do that with a live performance.

Yes you can, it's called overdubbing.

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Reply #26 posted 10/02/15 2:52pm

databank

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NorthC said:

^And even putting all those videos on youtube is too much to ask. confused

The promo videos oughta be on YT but those video albums deserve proper rerelease, at least digitally.

There are also several other shows that were broadcast, such as the 1986 Detroit show and Tokyo 90, that could finally enjoy a proper release.

And of course all that stuff in the vault. I really wonder what happened that Prince announced an upcoming release of Montreux 2009 in January 2013 and nothing happened in the end. I don't know what brought him to change his mind.

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Reply #27 posted 10/02/15 5:36pm

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prittypriss said:

In a studio, you can always go back and do it again. You can't do that with a live performance.

Yes you can, it's called overdubbing.

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Yes, but that is usually done in the studio during AV editing. I was talking about when you play live, that's the show. I guess you could stop the show and say, "Nah mon, that's not right. Do that again." But the audience would get tired of that after a little while.

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Besides, when you overdub, you are taking from other performances and overlaying it on the original. I prefer the original, not overdubbing from a different performance. Granted, most people wouldn't even notice the tiny nuances of overdubbing, but again, you lose those mistakes/quirks that make that particular show an original, one and only. Now, if you use various different recordings of that same show to layer the sound, or improve the sound, it's still from that same show with the same little happy mistakes and quirks. But overdubbing from other performances? It's somehow cheating, imho.

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Reply #28 posted 10/03/15 1:36am

NorthC

Frank Zappa used to do that a lot: take a live recording and then put a lot of overdubs on it, so that it becomes a new piece of music.
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Reply #29 posted 10/03/15 6:08am

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databank said:

NorthC said:

^And even putting all those videos on youtube is too much to ask. confused

The promo videos oughta be on YT but those video albums deserve proper rerelease, at least digitally.

There are also several other shows that were broadcast, such as the 1986 Detroit show and Tokyo 90, that could finally enjoy a proper release.

And of course all that stuff in the vault. I really wonder what happened that Prince announced an upcoming release of Montreux 2009 in January 2013 and nothing happened in the end. I don't know what brought him to change his mind.

Lovesexy Live 1 and 2 on official DVD, 1986 Detroit Birthday show and Tokyo 90 all proper release yes Please!! My wallet is waiting Prince biggrin

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