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Thread started 09/21/15 10:30am

elf9933

Bottom line. Too much fun and no pain makes for shallow P music.

it seems P has too easy of a time of it lately and while I really dig the new album for what to is,it's actually quite good ,the dude that was the definition of soul for years only knows soul in the form of a love song or a pop ditty now.I ve had some rough periods of late and don't wish on anyone the pain P went through losing both parents in 2000 or facing other types of struggles in the 80s. But truth is it produced albums like Lovesexy and Rainbow children. P should seriously consider making a heartfelt acoustic guitar album for his next venture and get some songwriting credibility back. In my humble opinion.
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Reply #1 posted 09/21/15 1:22pm

NorthC

He already did that. It's called The Truth.
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Reply #2 posted 09/21/15 2:17pm

Aerogram

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It's very likely only one of the albums he prepared over the last two years and it's being presented as a musical duo with Josh so I wouldn't conclude too much on the basis of HitNRun.

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Reply #3 posted 09/21/15 2:50pm

warning2all

There's room for a "HITNRUN" in the huge spectrum of his discography.

Now, if HITNRUN style music/lyrics is all he makes going forward, then we have a problem.

I'd rather the guy has more fun in life than pain. I don't wish anyone pain just so they can produce music to entertain me smile
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Reply #4 posted 09/21/15 8:32pm

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warning2all said:

There's room for a "HITNRUN" in the huge spectrum of his discography. Now, if HITNRUN style music/lyrics is all he makes going forward, then we have a problem. I'd rather the guy has more fun in life than pain. I don't wish anyone pain just so they can produce music to entertain me smile

Perfectly said and I agree 100%!! I like the new album quite a bit and am really surprised on how most Prince fans are freaking out over an experiemental album.

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Reply #5 posted 09/21/15 8:40pm

SoulAlive

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I don't wish anyone pain just so they can produce music to entertain me smile

I agree.

But I understand what the OP means.Soemtimes,when an artist is going through "something",it can give them the inspiration to write some truly compelling music.

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Reply #6 posted 09/22/15 5:37pm

luvsexy4all

while youre at it ...why dont u hope he does dope again.....pop goes the music ,when the big white rabbit starts to sing

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Reply #7 posted 09/23/15 9:41am

elf9933

luvsexy4all said:

while youre at it ...why dont u hope he does dope again.....pop goes the music ,when the big white rabbit starts to sing


No didn't mean it like that. I was a little out of it when I posted this so it came out wrong. Most Rock stars have a dream life obviously and don't have to suffer the slings and arrows of us normal folk and consequently become very detached from any real pain. I'm listening to a lot of indie music of late and it seems those dudes have a lot more of the struggle and day to day hardship that a lot of us face.I don't wish tragedy or sorrow on anyone.
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Reply #8 posted 09/23/15 2:07pm

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I wish the same, more personal mature lyrics, not just about love and sex, that's why i love Dylan, because of his lyrics and most of them (if not all of them) are sad, thoughtful and very reflective. The same i wish for Michael Jackson's lyrics to be, when he was alive. But every artist his own

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Reply #9 posted 09/23/15 2:18pm

Se7en

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There's a lot of truth to this post, but every time I go to write a reply I find myself self-censoring.

Prince fought hard in the 80s to become a legend (which he did). He fought to maintain it during the 90s (to varying degrees, hindered by the WB feud) and since 2004 he's been coasting.

It's party time now at Paisley Park, but you're right he needs to break out of that mold.

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Reply #10 posted 09/24/15 2:01am

Rebeljuice

I agree. Not enough real world inspiration to draw from. Its like asking Donald Trump to explain how an ATM machine works.

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Reply #11 posted 09/24/15 2:59am

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I dunno.

I listen to some of the songs on Art Official Age and I hear real regret in his voice and a sense of loss.

When you think about the range of music he's put out just in the last two years (AOA, PE, HNR, plus all the various singles), you can see he's still pushing himeself as an artist.

It might not be everyone's cup of tea and some of it may miss the mark but there is still quality music to be found.

Maybe he should do some more drugs? I'd certainly love to hear a Prince album recorded on LSD. lol

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Reply #12 posted 09/24/15 4:42am

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Let's say no to the pain thing. But what Prince needs is a Citizen Kane "Rosebud" moment. Where's the honesty and introspection? Prince doesn't yearn anymore. What made PR and SOTT great was that there was a level of self awareness. AOA and HNR each have a song or two, and party records have their place and they're great fun, but they don't last.
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Reply #13 posted 09/24/15 10:49am

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Dunno. I hear a lot of pain in 'Find Another Love'... Prince pain.

"He's a musician's musician..."
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Reply #14 posted 09/24/15 11:22am

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HitNRun causes me a lot of pain. Does that count?
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
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Reply #15 posted 09/24/15 12:15pm

Guitarhero

^^ press the stop button then no pain. razz

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Reply #16 posted 09/24/15 7:11pm

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AhPook said:

Let's say no to the pain thing. But what Prince needs is a Citizen Kane "Rosebud" moment. Where's the honesty and introspection? Prince doesn't yearn anymore. What made PR and SOTT great was that there was a level of self awareness. AOA and HNR each have a song or two, and party records have their place and they're great fun, but they don't last.

Yes, indeed and remember this "life is just a party, and parties weren't mean to last"

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Reply #17 posted 09/24/15 8:13pm

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Guitarhero said:

^^ press the stop button then no pain. razz

You don't understand -- the songs are stuck in his head.

smile

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Reply #18 posted 09/26/15 5:51am

irreverence

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I think it also has to do with going from a searching spirituality, sometimes even self doubt and self irony - to a place of knowing THE TRUTH. Which is not quite as intersting, neither artistically nor personally.

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Reply #19 posted 09/26/15 6:32am

KingSausage

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Aerogram said:



Guitarhero said:


^^ press the stop button then no pain. razz




You don't understand -- the songs are stuck in his head.



smile




I NEED TO SHUT THEM DOWN
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Reply #20 posted 09/26/15 10:01pm

RobotDevil

irreverence said:

I think it also has to do with going from a searching spirituality, sometimes even self doubt and self irony - to a place of knowing THE TRUTH. Which is not quite as intersting, neither artistically nor personally.

It's my opinion that Prince is still searching, and is struggling a lot with self-doubt.

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Reply #21 posted 09/26/15 10:48pm

SoulAlive

it's been rumored that Carmen Elektra cheated on Prince and it inspired him to write "Eye Hate U" (which I consider one of his best,most soulful songs) hmmm

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Reply #22 posted 09/27/15 12:02am

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Prince has been burnt out since the 90's. It happens to all artists. If you are expecting a chart topping Grammy wining album again it aint gonna happen. the well is dry

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Reply #23 posted 09/27/15 12:32am

inspireof

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Ok someone won the dumb award of the dumbest thread today...

basically you would wish upon an artist to feel pain rather than joy so that he could make u feel better about your music...

eek

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Reply #24 posted 09/27/15 2:16am

MrWilson

I get your point here. Maybe the fella is just in a good place at the moment as he seems to be less anal and controlling about things. Cue silly jokes.....
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Reply #25 posted 09/28/15 5:25am

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Everyone in life experiences pain. That is life. Pain could be extreme concern, worry, etc
The question is, is Prince willing to full express it through his music.

I think it would have been cool from Prince to have recorded a song with Bobby Z after his incident (co-written) w/Bobby Z on the drums. Some kind of song that was not talking directly about what happened to Bobby but something...
Instead of performing Old Friends 4 Sale after Sheila E's obvious break from him, why not write something expressing that(this isn't dissing her)

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Reply #26 posted 09/28/15 5:46am

luvsexy4all

inspireof said:

Ok someone won the dumb award of the dumbest thread today...

basically you would wish upon an artist to feel pain rather than joy so that he could make u feel better about your music...

eek

im with u...kind of like zeliara hoping prince does drugs and be dirty so he'll be attracted to her

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Reply #27 posted 09/28/15 2:39pm

irreverence

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RobotDevil said:

irreverence said:

I think it also has to do with going from a searching spirituality, sometimes even self doubt and self irony - to a place of knowing THE TRUTH. Which is not quite as intersting, neither artistically nor personally.

It's my opinion that Prince is still searching, and is struggling a lot with self-doubt.

Yeah,you may very well be right. Fanaticism is often a cover for deep insecurity.

Nevertheless on the surface he plays the know-it-all, and while there may be rare cases of geniality coming through in art, this attitude more often produces music with no edge. (Just listen to so-called Christian rock or pop.)

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Reply #28 posted 09/28/15 2:42pm

irreverence

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luvsexy4all said:

inspireof said:

Ok someone won the dumb award of the dumbest thread today...

basically you would wish upon an artist to feel pain rather than joy so that he could make u feel better about your music...

eek

im with u...kind of like zeliara hoping prince does drugs and be dirty so he'll be attracted to her

Wishing for it and observing that great music comes out of it is not the same.

Nirvana made music with feeling and edge - and I wouldn't wish for Kurt Cobain to not have been in a better place mentally.

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Reply #29 posted 09/28/15 2:57pm

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The key sound is Avant Purple. That sound is history. Listen to Rock Hard In a Funky Place. No new song even comes close.

The verses alone are astounding. Really clever. Genius humour as well.

Or the horn line in The Sex Of It. Good God. That is some wild shit. Avant Purple is toast. He's not looking into the rainbow he is looking in the junk drawer.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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