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LOGIC

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Why I don’t care about "X" fans

Wasn’t it Prince himself who once said that his fans or live audiences actually expected him to do the unexpected? He changed his faith, his lyrics, his styles, his outfits, his band lineups, his distribution channels … and that keeps it kinda fresh over the span of decades.

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Do I like or even listen to his official output much? I don’t. But it has been about the material that’s only available INofficially for me ever since day #1 anyway. I recorded the March 30th 1985 Syracuse gig straight from TV 30 years ago, and a lot of what he came up with, both live or in the studio ever since has fascinated me enough to still be here after three decades.

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What are all these folks doing here who are not even willing to listen to the latest material only just officially released? Yet they feel the need to let others know how and why they have lost interest? Who friggin’ cares?! If everybody listens to other music these days, then just let this page die. If not, then personally I’d appreciate it a lot of those who don’t care anymore could simply shut up.

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What sense would it make for someone to keep complaining about The Beatles on a site dedicated to them if this person preferred The Stones nowadays? Just shut up and share your thoughts on a Stones page then.

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I dislike MANY of Prince’s musical, business and even private decisions. However, he wouldn’t be happy with how I live my life either. It’s his experience. Let him put out whatever he wants and if that’s not doing it for you, just trace down some outtakes, some rare live stuff or go see him live. But if that doesn’t work for you either, then why bother posting here at all?

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Of course, it’s fine to have critical feedback about someone’s artistic work. It can be interesting to get an idea of how others perceive certain old or new releases. What’s getting on my nerves these days is just the plain amount of statements that give you an idea of how little these folks actually fit into a so-called "Prince community". And even though I would never call myself a "fan", this very forum calls itself a "Prince fan community site". Now, why would I want to read statements on here written by folks who clearly show and even explicitly declare their interest in Prince’s work to be over?

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I just don’t want to hear why folks would rather NOT be here anymore with the others. And I guess that Prince never wrote for any of us. He wrote and recorded for himself in the first place. That’s why I appreciate him playing according to his own rules, not some stupid whining orgers’. Let’s discuss what might be worth discussing – but at the same time, please save everyone’s time by staying away from this site if you consider yourself nothing but a frustrated old "X" fan nowadays.

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Reply #1 posted 09/11/15 4:15am

HatrinaHaterwi
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Awww...poor lil' Tink Tink. Did my last comment strike a nerve? wink kiss2

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Reply #2 posted 09/11/15 4:16am

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You don't care about so called "X" fans, yet here you are droning on and on about them. Why don't you shut up.

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Reply #3 posted 09/11/15 4:24am

S3V3N

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This post reminds me of some of the best advice I've ever heard:

Be brief. Be bright. Be gone.

lockdance

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Reply #4 posted 09/11/15 4:28am

funkomatic

Problem is: Prince became somewhat a different artist after the eighties. Less open minded and rather conservative. He didn't really master rap, hip hop and electronic music. And it showed.
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So, there actually are a lot of Prince fans who don't want him to change or being challenged by his music. But who could blame them? It's Prince who educated them this way in the end.
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Reply #5 posted 09/11/15 5:01am

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LOGIC said:

Wasn’t it Prince himself who once said that his fans or live audiences actually expected him to do the unexpected? He changed his faith, his lyrics, his styles, his outfits, his band lineups, his distribution channels … and that keeps it kinda fresh over the span of decades.

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Do I like or even listen to his official output much? I don’t. But it has been about the material that’s only available INofficially for me ever since day #1 anyway. I recorded the March 30th 1985 Syracuse gig straight from TV 30 years ago, and a lot of what he came up with, both live or in the studio ever since has fascinated me enough to still be here after three decades.

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What are all these folks doing here who are not even willing to listen to the latest material only just officially released? Yet they feel the need to let others know how and why they have lost interest? Who friggin’ cares?! If everybody listens to other music these days, then just let this page die. If not, then personally I’d appreciate it a lot of those who don’t care anymore could simply shut up.

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What sense would it make for someone to keep complaining about The Beatles on a site dedicated to them if this person preferred The Stones nowadays? Just shut up and share your thoughts on a Stones page then.

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I dislike MANY of Prince’s musical, business and even private decisions. However, he wouldn’t be happy with how I live my life either. It’s his experience. Let him put out whatever he wants and if that’s not doing it for you, just trace down some outtakes, some rare live stuff or go see him live. But if that doesn’t work for you either, then why bother posting here at all?

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Of course, it’s fine to have critical feedback about someone’s artistic work. It can be interesting to get an idea of how others perceive certain old or new releases. What’s getting on my nerves these days is just the plain amount of statements that give you an idea of how little these folks actually fit into a so-called "Prince community". And even though I would never call myself a "fan", this very forum calls itself a "Prince fan community site". Now, why would I want to read statements on here written by folks who clearly show and even explicitly declare their interest in Prince’s work to be over?

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I just don’t want to hear why folks would rather NOT be here anymore with the others. And I guess that Prince never wrote for any of us. He wrote and recorded for himself in the first place. That’s why I appreciate him playing according to his own rules, not some stupid whining orgers’. Let’s discuss what might be worth discussing – but at the same time, please save everyone’s time by staying away from this site if you consider yourself nothing but a frustrated old "X" fan nowadays.

I totally agree with u but "haters got to hate" and "trolls got to troll". And they will show up here because they are sad people some with mental health issues.

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Reply #6 posted 09/11/15 5:37am

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There's very few actual trolls on this site. Everyone's here, and still posting in one way or another, because even for just one song, they were blown the FUCK away by Prince's music.

so the love's real, the disappointments real, etcetera

it's great fun to read the unwinnable debates though


lol
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Reply #7 posted 09/11/15 5:43am

Guitarhero

Well it is so easy to see which are the trolls , i have some advice , don't take it personally and ignore them if you don't like what they say. Peace thumbs up!

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Reply #8 posted 09/11/15 5:51am

MrsFelicityCru
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Guitarhero said:

Well it is so easy to see which are the trolls , i have some advice , don't take it personally and ignore them if you don't like what they say. Peace thumbs up!



^ agreed! Wise words from the Hero of Guitar.
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Reply #9 posted 09/11/15 6:51am

Genesia

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S3V3N said:

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This post reminds me of some of the best advice I've ever heard:

Be brief. Be bright. Be gone.

lockdance


I'm stealing that. Thank you!

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Reply #10 posted 09/11/15 7:03am

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I don't understand the dislikes for the new very brilliant album either... heart

But to ignore those is the best advice I agree.

Anyway next year I believe most fans will refer to this HITnRUN album as a very good release.

cool

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Reply #11 posted 09/11/15 7:42am

HatrinaHaterwi
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thedance said:

I don't understand the dislikes for the new very brilliant album either... heart

But to ignore those is the best advice I agree.

Anyway next year I believe most fans will refer to this HITnRUN album as a very good release.

cool

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By that LOGIC, wink most fans should be hailing the Plectrum from his Rect... umm...Electrum album as a grand masterpiece by now, right? evillol

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Reply #12 posted 09/11/15 7:48am

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^ auch, haha.. no that would be taking the logic a bit too far.. lol

I still think some (a lot of) fans will reconsider their rather negative view on HitNRun.. in case they will take their time and do some of the homework listening to those songs..

Oh well, of course.... you don't have to like it, just like I do.. wink

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Reply #13 posted 09/11/15 7:48am

TrevorAyer

If you hate the org community .. Go away .. Stop telling people how to post or what to post .. Its a discussion .. Not a purple dick sucking competition .. Everyone has a right to their opinion and no right to bully others out of the community with constant harrassment and the suggestion of locks bans or asking them to leave .. If you dont like that than you leave ... Not the other way around
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Reply #14 posted 09/11/15 8:02am

BoraBora

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Is it so difficult to accept that an album can be a masterpiece for someone and garbage for another?!?

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I wanted Prince to be "experimental" from more than 25 years and He was many many many times in the past.

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I've got no problem with "Crystal Ball" the song (wasn't it experimental for that time, in many ways?!?) simply because the search of experimentation found his way in a memorable and great song.

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I've got problems when lack of musical inspiration is masked "experimental", and a bad tune can't be call "bad tune" simply because it pretends to be "experimental".

And this is, to my ears, the problem I have with HITNRUN.

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Could I care less if Prince likes what I think about this album?!?!?

No.

Simply because I will buy the album because is a P album and I have more than 150 CD of P music.

So P will receive my money, even if I think this album is really more "near garbage" than "near masterpiece".

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Just my personal opinion. Not a community theory.

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Reply #15 posted 09/11/15 8:06am

HatrinaHaterwi
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thedance said:

^ auch, haha.. no that would be taking the logic a bit too far.. lol

I still think some (a lot of) fans will reconsider their rather negative view on HitNRun.. in case they will take their time and do some of the homework listening to those songs..

Oh well, of course.... you don't have to like it, just like I do.. wink

[Edited 9/11/15 7:48am]



And that's the way the Org turns! cool grouphug

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Reply #16 posted 09/11/15 8:09am

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TrevorAyer said:

If you hate the org community .. Go away .. Stop telling people how to post or what to post .. Its a discussion .. Not a purple dick sucking competition .. Everyone has a right to their opinion and no right to bully others out of the community with constant harrassment and the suggestion of locks bans or asking them to leave .. If you dont like that than you leave ... Not the other way around


And that's the way the Org turns! cool grouphug

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Reply #17 posted 09/11/15 8:10am

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BoraBora said:

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Is it so difficult to accept that an album can be a masterpiece for someone and garbage for another?!?

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I wanted Prince to be "experimental" from more than 25 years and He was many many many times in the past.

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I've got no problem with "Crystal Ball" the song (wasn't it experimental for that time, in many ways?!?) simply because the search of experimentation found his way in a memorable and great song.

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I've got problems when lack of musical inspiration is masked "experimental", and a bad tune can't be call "bad tune" simply because it pretends to be "experimental".

And this is, to my ears, the problem I have with HITNRUN.

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Could I care less if Prince likes what I think about this album?!?!?

No.

Simply because I will buy the album because is a P album and I have more than 150 CD of P music.

So P will receive my money, even if I think this album is really more "near garbage" than "near masterpiece".

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Just my personal opinion. Not a community theory.

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And that's the way the Org turns! cool grouphug

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Reply #18 posted 09/11/15 8:36am

terrig

MrsFelicityCrumble said:

There's very few actual trolls on this site. Everyone's here, and still posting in one way or another, because even for just one song, they were blown the FUCK away by Prince's music. so the love's real, the disappointments real, etcetera it's great fun to read the unwinnable debates though lol [Edited 9/11/15 5:38am]



THIS. the love is REAL. thats why when daddy goes off we flip the F out lololololol well said!

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Reply #19 posted 09/11/15 8:43am

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Sorry, but your "competition" comment only proved one thing, and that is that you replied before you even completed reading what I said, Monsieur TA. I don’t think I ever said I disliked this online community. All I dislike is being bored by some folks who have nothing relevant to add (anymore or at all) and who try to convince others how everything used to better SO much greater in the past.

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Everone could easily list a dozen Prince albums that he or she no longer listens to. Speaking for myself, I frankly dig the fact that there never were any "sequels" to P’s "classic" albums. I enjoy seeing the man go his own way, heading all sorts of directions – whether that might ever make him "#1 at the bank" again or just lead to disappointments and to cheapo CD overstock in a shop chain’s discount bins. Of course everyone can post crap in here and call for freedom of speech. However, I just asked for people to reconsider what might be post-worthy and what not.

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Like Little Richard said, "A little bit of something beats a whole lotta nothing." And that’s about all I tried to bring across in here after mostly having witnessed the org as a passive reader for a dozen years by now. There obviously isn’t much sense in trying to describe colors to the blind.

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And for all Hatrinas on this site: Just ignore my posts, okay? They’re not directed at you. Thanx.

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Reply #20 posted 09/11/15 9:02am

TrevorAyer

I responded to your assertion that org members should leave ... Stop posting etc... I find those sorts of frequent assertions to undermine the enjoyment of this site .. And it often runs off those with honest and interesting views to discuss .. P already made his bed .. He has sued and threatened every fansite including this one .. This is a community more than a p site as a result and should be respected as such .. If p wants a fansite where he bans open dicourse of his product he fan start his own
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Reply #21 posted 09/11/15 10:36am

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If you think he wrote and recorded for himself, you're delusional. He hungered for fame and fortune from the outset. The success of those afforded him to then "record for himself" a bit -- while still recording for the "man".

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Reply #22 posted 09/11/15 10:39am

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LOGIC said:

Sorry, but your "competition" comment only proved one thing, and that is that you replied before you even completed reading what I said, Monsieur TA. I don’t think I ever said I disliked this online community. All I dislike is being bored by some folks who have nothing relevant to add (anymore or at all) and who try to convince others how everything used to better SO much greater in the past.

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Everone could easily list a dozen Prince albums that he or she no longer listens to. Speaking for myself, I frankly dig the fact that there never were any "sequels" to P’s "classic" albums. I enjoy seeing the man go his own way, heading all sorts of directions – whether that might ever make him "#1 at the bank" again or just lead to disappointments and to cheapo CD overstock in a shop chain’s discount bins. Of course everyone can post crap in here and call for freedom of speech. However, I just asked for people to reconsider what might be post-worthy and what not.

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Like Little Richard said, "A little bit of something beats a whole lotta nothing." And that’s about all I tried to bring across in here after mostly having witnessed the org as a passive reader for a dozen years by now. There obviously isn’t much sense in trying to describe colors to the blind.

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And for all Hatrinas on this site: Just ignore my posts, okay? They’re not directed at you. Thanx.



Monsieur LOGIC...while in the realm of popular music, there may be many kings but only one Prince. Within HIS realm...there may be many haters but only one Hatrina! And I will unapologetically say what I want to, how I want to, when I want to, where I want to! Believe that! hammer

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Reply #23 posted 09/11/15 11:12am

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LOL look at this guy:

"I don't care about the haters, so here I am making a thread and almost writing a paragraph to show how much I don't care."

Is this what this forum has turned into? Where the fams just cannot accept that this is a forum of differing opinions than theirs? A place where everybody can express themselves? A place where not everybody is madly in love with Prince and worship the ground he walks on? Jesus, if someone having a different opinion bothers you SO MUCH, either post a decent argument on why he/she is wrong (rather than insults) or just simply IGNORE THE POST.

LOGIC said:

Sorry, but your "competition" comment only proved one thing, and that is that you replied before you even completed reading what I said, Monsieur TA. I don’t think I ever said I disliked this online community. All I dislike is being bored by some folks who have nothing relevant to add (anymore or at all) and who try to convince others how everything used to better SO much greater in the past.

A: Making a thread simply complaining about "haters" (god I hate just typing that juvenile term) is, IMO, adding nothing relevant to this forum

B: Ah, the old "everyone who dislikes Prince's new album are old people stuck in the past". Gotta love that tired argument.

LOGIC said:

And for all Hatrinas on this site: Just ignore my posts, okay? They’re not directed at you. Thanx.

Uh, you just made a thread calling out the "haters" (ugh). Don't be surprised when they come out in full force.

[Edited 9/11/15 11:23am]

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Reply #24 posted 09/12/15 2:03am

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I don’t think I even used that word at all. Neither did I mention the title of the latest album. And like I said, I don’t mind different opinions. They’re often the nucleus of interesting discussions.

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What I was referring to instead was a group of people on this board who seem to have nothing to add but content-free "statements" about their deminishing interest in P’s more recent work in general. And to make things worse, they seem to think that anybody might want to witness their constant lamento. I call these people frustrated "ex-fans". Call them what you like, but I guess even you’ll be able to see what I mean by now.

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If there should be some "haters" popping up here after these latest lines, then I don’t mind. Let the butchering begin. I’ve stated my case, and the fact that this particular thread didn’t pass unnoticed might continuously affirm my perspective. Or let the mods shut it down … as I have spoken out on something that has kept bugging me for quite a while. As current replies have shown, some people are not even able to read and understand that initial statement I made. They’ll likely be the first ones to pull out their knives now. Fine with me.

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Reply #25 posted 09/12/15 4:38am

murph

MrsFelicityCrumble said:

There's very few actual trolls on this site. Everyone's here, and still posting in one way or another, because even for just one song, they were blown the FUCK away by Prince's music.

so the love's real, the disappointments real, etcetera

it's great fun to read the unwinnable debates though


lol
[Edited 9/11/15 5:38am]



^^^^^This is not exactly true. There r quite a few Trolls on this site. In fact Ive never been to another artists fansite that has been hijacked by so much bitching and moaning about music from an artist past his prime. Like I said before. I can say honestly that I like half of the new Prince album, no more no less...But u dont see me making 20 threads a day about how "Million Dollar Show" has destroyed my faith in mankind...lol

Its all good. Its a free country. But why does the Org have to be such a miserable place...?
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Reply #26 posted 09/12/15 4:50am

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They were Princematized and now we're stuck with 'em and Hatrina.

It's like cow-tipping, some people have weird ways of staying entertained, like people who go to bad restaurants so they can write the worst review on Yelp.

[Edited 9/12/15 4:51am]

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Reply #27 posted 09/12/15 6:29am

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Aerogram said:

They were Princematized and now we're stuck with 'em and Hatrina.

It's like cow-tipping, some people have weird ways of staying entertained, like people who go to bad restaurants so they can write the worst review on Yelp.

[Edited 9/12/15 4:51am]


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