KingSausage said:

AhPook said:

MrsFelicityCrumble said:

He was even older when he made 'Psychedelic Pill', and that's in my top 5 Neil albums!

You've mixed your Neils.

oh, fuck. So I have

Genesia said:

databank said:

NouveauDance said:

I think it's pathetic when anyone with his level of talent and stature tries to sound like Kary Perry.

True. So you won't be coming back to Prince.org anymore?

Or to the Prince forum?

[Edited 9/9/15 22:19pm]

databank said:

Just one thing, reading this thread I realize I understand better why there's so much disgust for P's music after 1995 on this forum.

.

I read those names so often here: Bowie, Dylan, Springsteen, McCartney, The Rolling Stones, Kate Bush and even now Neil Diamond and Pixies...

.

I mean seriously? On a Prince forum?Don't get me wrong I'm in love with Kate Bush and I like David Bowie a lot and I even happen to dig Pixies but that's mostly because my pals were so much into it when I was in hi skool and their music is part of my history. But I wouldn't ever go anywhere near a Springsteen, McCartney, Diamond, The Stones or Dylan album. Again don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't think they're talented, it's just folk and rock and blues and therefore not my thang even though I'll dig a rock/folk/blues thing every once in a while.

.

I'm basically into Black music (jazz, funk, hip-hop, you name it), synthpop/post-punk/new wave and electronic music and all its subgenres (from house to trip-hop to ambient to drumnbass and so on), and overall I dig P's post WB music a lot.

.

Before being on the Org I assumed on a Prince forum people would talk James Brown and George Clinton and Cameo and Public Enemy and John Coltrane all day. I assumed they'd be into Björk and Tricky and Felix Da Housecat and Chicks On Speed and that they'd go dancing to house music in clubs on week-ends.

.

I really didn't think I'd hear about Paul McCartney every day But yeah, I think if I was into McCartney or Spingsteen or Dylan etc., yeah, I'd probably hate most of what P has released since 96. makes sense to me.

.

I think Prince's music, past the 80's, is mostly aimed at people who're into Black music, synthpop and electronica. As discussed in a recent thread funk afficionados usually LOVE Newpower Soul while most orgers hate it. On the other hand when I read rave reviews about a lo-fi acoustic blues song like Indifference I'm a bit like WTF? Prince fans bitch on Chocolate Box or Lavaux, but rave about an acoustic lo-fi song?

.

I think at some point Prince achieved his dream of crossing over so much that he attracted a whole crowd of people who actually listen to things that have nothing to do with what he does in substance, and those people made a good half of his hardcore fanbase. The substance of what P does has never changed ever since 1978. Other orgers who are a lot into funk and/or electronica, know that and have acknowledged it.

.

It's a casting error, a bit as if the Stones had made a fanbase out of funkateers when they went through their disco phase with Miss You, and then when they're back to good ol' rock n roll the fans'd complain that the Stones are so not funky anymore. Fuck no they ain't, they never were meant to be funky.

.

For one Lotusflow3r Prince will always release 5 Mplsound, because in subtance what he does is Mplasound, not Lotusflow3r.

.

Why Dylan and Mccartney fans held on to Prince all those years (though in disgust), is what I don't get

So the folks that don't like Prince's new album don't like it because they're into all this folk and rock music and Prince's new album is too black for them? Well, Prince's new album makes me taste vomit in my throat and I grew up listening to Rick James, Cameo, Zapp, Lakeside, The Barkays, The Dazz Band, Midnight Star, Bobby Nunn, One Way, Brick, Ebonee Webb, Bill Summers and Summers Heat, Fatback, Mass Production, Invisible Man's Band, Michael Henderson, Tom Browne, Change, Dynasty, Shalamar, The Whispers, Teena Marie, and countless others like them. Are those artists black enough for you?

.

Prince's new album is far from funk. It's a combination of shit hop and trance and I consider those genres a whiter version of what used to be two black genres. Before hip hop became shit hop in the 1990s, in the 1980s, especially the early 1980s when it was listened to by a predominately black audience only, it wasn't the snoozefest it turned into in the 1990s. Soul Sonic Force, Newcleus, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five, Twilight 22, Egyptian Lover, Run DMC, etc. weren't just a dull slow to midtempo cheap Fisher Price sounding beat with some talking on top of it. Those rap groups could get funky as hell and have the asses shaking on the dancefloor right alongside the funk acts of the day. And they didn't praise talking like an illiterate idiot on top of the music and praise thugs back then either. Oh yes, there was a little bit of shit hop being made also back then but it rarely made it's way onto the radio. It was underground where it belonged and it didn't come above ground until white people got into and once they got into it, it stayed above ground and never left. And as for the house music on Prince's new album. That's not house, that's trance and trance is what became of house when white people got into it. Yes, it may seem like it's black genre now because since the 2000s, a lot of shit hoppers started incorporating it as the background music for their raps. But in the late 80s and early 90s when house music was predominately black and hispanic, it sounded nothing like it became in the late 90s when white people started taking it over.

.

As for Prince getting into rap in the 1990s, I could tolerate it back then because it had not been totally run into the ground all over the radio yet. Pulling some of those old Prince records now from the 90s and listening to them, I think to myself.... "Damn, some of that sounds completely stupid. What in the HELL was he thinking back then? Hell, what the HELL was I thinking back then too?"....But see, I could tolerate it back then because it had not been totally run into the ground yet.

.

Folks say.... "Get with the times, this is 2015."..... Well, they're absolutely right. It is 2015 which is 15 years after the 1990s ended. So why in the HELL is shit hop and trance STILL dominating the mainstream? Seems to me like it's the mainstream that needs to get with the times and move on because the 1990s are over and have been over for 15 years.... FIFTEEN years. Oh, well that's just the way it is so you'll just have to accept it? Uh...no, I don't think so. I don't have to like it and I certainly don't have to buy it. Oh, I'm just mad because it's not funk dominating anymore? Maybe so. I mean, if the mainstream is going to get stuck on a particular genre and NEVER let it die, you mean to tell me that something like shit hop or trance is better than funk? No, I don't think so. But actually, what I want to see is a much needed complete style change in R&B. If somebody can come up with something better than funk, fine, and if they can't, that's fine too. But it's time for the 1990s to end and something completely different to take over. I'm not talking about Prince, I'm talking about the mainstream music scene. Prince just sold out to it though on his latest album and I don't support someone helping things stay the same when they need to be trying to either change things or at least give their fans that supported them what they want to hear which is something that does NOT fit in with today's mainstream.

databank said:

Just one thing, reading this thread I realize I understand better why there's so much disgust for P's music after 1995 on this forum.

.

I read those names so often here: Bowie, Dylan, Springsteen, McCartney, The Rolling Stones, Kate Bush and even now Neil Diamond and Pixies...

.

I mean seriously? On a Prince forum?Don't get me wrong I'm in love with Kate Bush and I like David Bowie a lot and I even happen to dig Pixies but that's mostly because my pals were so much into it when I was in hi skool and their music is part of my history. But I wouldn't ever go anywhere near a Springsteen, McCartney, Diamond, The Stones or Dylan album. Again don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't think they're talented, it's just folk and rock and blues and therefore not my thang even though I'll dig a rock/folk/blues thing every once in a while.

.

I'm basically into Black music (jazz, funk, hip-hop, you name it), synthpop/post-punk/new wave and electronic music and all its subgenres (from house to trip-hop to ambient to drumnbass and so on), and overall I dig P's post WB music a lot.

.

Before being on the Org I assumed on a Prince forum people would talk James Brown and George Clinton and Cameo and Public Enemy and John Coltrane all day. I assumed they'd be into Björk and Tricky and Felix Da Housecat and Chicks On Speed and that they'd go dancing to house music in clubs on week-ends.

.

I really didn't think I'd hear about Paul McCartney every day But yeah, I think if I was into McCartney or Spingsteen or Dylan etc., yeah, I'd probably hate most of what P has released since 96. makes sense to me.

.

I think Prince's music, past the 80's, is mostly aimed at people who're into Black music, synthpop and electronica. As discussed in a recent thread funk afficionados usually LOVE Newpower Soul while most orgers hate it. On the other hand when I read rave reviews about a lo-fi acoustic blues song like Indifference I'm a bit like WTF? Prince fans bitch on Chocolate Box or Lavaux, but rave about an acoustic lo-fi song?

.

I think at some point Prince achieved his dream of crossing over so much that he attracted a whole crowd of people who actually listen to things that have nothing to do with what he does in substance, and those people made a good half of his hardcore fanbase. The substance of what P does has never changed ever since 1978. Other orgers who are a lot into funk and/or electronica, know that and have acknowledged it.

.

It's a casting error, a bit as if the Stones had made a fanbase out of funkateers when they went through their disco phase with Miss You, and then when they're back to good ol' rock n roll the fans'd complain that the Stones are so not funky anymore. Fuck no they ain't, they never were meant to be funky.

.

For one Lotusflow3r Prince will always release 5 Mplsound, because in subtance what he does is Mplasound, not Lotusflow3r.

.

Why Dylan and Mccartney fans held on to Prince all those years (though in disgust), is what I don't get

Great point

vainandy said:

databank said:

Just one thing, reading this thread I realize I understand better why there's so much disgust for P's music after 1995 on this forum.

.

I read those names so often here: Bowie, Dylan, Springsteen, McCartney, The Rolling Stones, Kate Bush and even now Neil Diamond and Pixies...

.

I mean seriously? On a Prince forum?Don't get me wrong I'm in love with Kate Bush and I like David Bowie a lot and I even happen to dig Pixies but that's mostly because my pals were so much into it when I was in hi skool and their music is part of my history. But I wouldn't ever go anywhere near a Springsteen, McCartney, Diamond, The Stones or Dylan album. Again don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't think they're talented, it's just folk and rock and blues and therefore not my thang even though I'll dig a rock/folk/blues thing every once in a while.

.

I'm basically into Black music (jazz, funk, hip-hop, you name it), synthpop/post-punk/new wave and electronic music and all its subgenres (from house to trip-hop to ambient to drumnbass and so on), and overall I dig P's post WB music a lot.

.

Before being on the Org I assumed on a Prince forum people would talk James Brown and George Clinton and Cameo and Public Enemy and John Coltrane all day. I assumed they'd be into Björk and Tricky and Felix Da Housecat and Chicks On Speed and that they'd go dancing to house music in clubs on week-ends.

.

I really didn't think I'd hear about Paul McCartney every day But yeah, I think if I was into McCartney or Spingsteen or Dylan etc., yeah, I'd probably hate most of what P has released since 96. makes sense to me.

.

I think Prince's music, past the 80's, is mostly aimed at people who're into Black music, synthpop and electronica. As discussed in a recent thread funk afficionados usually LOVE Newpower Soul while most orgers hate it. On the other hand when I read rave reviews about a lo-fi acoustic blues song like Indifference I'm a bit like WTF? Prince fans bitch on Chocolate Box or Lavaux, but rave about an acoustic lo-fi song?

.

I think at some point Prince achieved his dream of crossing over so much that he attracted a whole crowd of people who actually listen to things that have nothing to do with what he does in substance, and those people made a good half of his hardcore fanbase. The substance of what P does has never changed ever since 1978. Other orgers who are a lot into funk and/or electronica, know that and have acknowledged it.

.

It's a casting error, a bit as if the Stones had made a fanbase out of funkateers when they went through their disco phase with Miss You, and then when they're back to good ol' rock n roll the fans'd complain that the Stones are so not funky anymore. Fuck no they ain't, they never were meant to be funky.

.

For one Lotusflow3r Prince will always release 5 Mplsound, because in subtance what he does is Mplasound, not Lotusflow3r.

.

Why Dylan and Mccartney fans held on to Prince all those years (though in disgust), is what I don't get

So the folks that don't like Prince's new album don't like it because they're into all this folk and rock music and Prince's new album is too black for them? Well, Prince's new album makes me taste vomit in my throat and I grew up listening to Rick James, Cameo, Zapp, Lakeside, The Barkays, The Dazz Band, Midnight Star, Bobby Nunn, One Way, Brick, Ebonee Webb, Bill Summers and Summers Heat, Fatback, Mass Production, Invisible Man's Band, Michael Henderson, Tom Browne, Change, Dynasty, Shalamar, The Whispers, Teena Marie, and countless others like them. Are those artists black enough for you?

.

Prince's new album is far from funk. It's a combination of shit hop and trance and I consider those genres a whiter version of what used to be two black genres. Before hip hop became shit hop in the 1990s, in the 1980s, especially the early 1980s when it was listened to by a predominately black audience only, it wasn't the snoozefest it turned into in the 1990s. Soul Sonic Force, Newcleus, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five, Twilight 22, Egyptian Lover, Run DMC, etc. weren't just a dull slow to midtempo cheap Fisher Price sounding beat with some talking on top of it. Those rap groups could get funky as hell and have the asses shaking on the dancefloor right alongside the funk acts of the day. And they didn't praise talking like an illiterate idiot on top of the music and praise thugs back then either. Oh yes, there was a little bit of shit hop being made also back then but it rarely made it's way onto the radio. It was underground where it belonged and it didn't come above ground until white people got into and once they got into it, it stayed above ground and never left. And as for the house music on Prince's new album. That's not house, that's trance and trance is what became of house when white people got into it. Yes, it may seem like it's black genre now because since the 2000s, a lot of shit hoppers started incorporating it as the background music for their raps. But in the late 80s and early 90s when house music was predominately black and hispanic, it sounded nothing like it became in the late 90s when white people started taking it over.

.

As for Prince getting into rap in the 1990s, I could tolerate it back then because it had not been totally run into the ground all over the radio yet. Pulling some of those old Prince records now from the 90s and listening to them, I think to myself.... "Damn, some of that sounds completely stupid. What in the HELL was he thinking back then? Hell, what the HELL was I thinking back then too?"....But see, I could tolerate it back then because it had not been totally run into the ground yet.

.

Folks say.... "Get with the times, this is 2015."..... Well, they're absolutely right. It is 2015 which is 15 years after the 1990s ended. So why in the HELL is shit hop and trance STILL dominating the mainstream? Seems to me like it's the mainstream that needs to get with the times and move on because the 1990s are over and have been over for 15 years.... FIFTEEN years. Oh, well that's just the way it is so you'll just have to accept it? Uh...no, I don't think so. I don't have to like it and I certainly don't have to buy it. Oh, I'm just mad because it's not funk dominating anymore? Maybe so. I mean, if the mainstream is going to get stuck on a particular genre and NEVER let it die, you mean to tell me that something like shit hop or trance is better than funk? No, I don't think so. But actually, what I want to see is a much needed complete style change in R&B. If somebody can come up with something better than funk, fine, and if they can't, that's fine too. But it's time for the 1990s to end and something completely different to take over. I'm not talking about Prince, I'm talking about the mainstream music scene. Prince just sold out to it though on his latest album and I don't support someone helping things stay the same when they need to be trying to either change things or at least give their fans that supported them what they want to hear which is something that does NOT fit in with today's mainstream.

jdcxc said:

databank said:

Just one thing, reading this thread I realize I understand better why there's so much disgust for P's music after 1995 on this forum.

.

I read those names so often here: Bowie, Dylan, Springsteen, McCartney, The Rolling Stones, Kate Bush and even now Neil Diamond and Pixies...

.

I mean seriously? On a Prince forum?Don't get me wrong I'm in love with Kate Bush and I like David Bowie a lot and I even happen to dig Pixies but that's mostly because my pals were so much into it when I was in hi skool and their music is part of my history. But I wouldn't ever go anywhere near a Springsteen, McCartney, Diamond, The Stones or Dylan album. Again don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't think they're talented, it's just folk and rock and blues and therefore not my thang even though I'll dig a rock/folk/blues thing every once in a while.

.

I'm basically into Black music (jazz, funk, hip-hop, you name it), synthpop/post-punk/new wave and electronic music and all its subgenres (from house to trip-hop to ambient to drumnbass and so on), and overall I dig P's post WB music a lot.

.

Before being on the Org I assumed on a Prince forum people would talk James Brown and George Clinton and Cameo and Public Enemy and John Coltrane all day. I assumed they'd be into Björk and Tricky and Felix Da Housecat and Chicks On Speed and that they'd go dancing to house music in clubs on week-ends.

.

I really didn't think I'd hear about Paul McCartney every day But yeah, I think if I was into McCartney or Spingsteen or Dylan etc., yeah, I'd probably hate most of what P has released since 96. makes sense to me.

.

I think Prince's music, past the 80's, is mostly aimed at people who're into Black music, synthpop and electronica. As discussed in a recent thread funk afficionados usually LOVE Newpower Soul while most orgers hate it. On the other hand when I read rave reviews about a lo-fi acoustic blues song like Indifference I'm a bit like WTF? Prince fans bitch on Chocolate Box or Lavaux, but rave about an acoustic lo-fi song?

.

I think at some point Prince achieved his dream of crossing over so much that he attracted a whole crowd of people who actually listen to things that have nothing to do with what he does in substance, and those people made a good half of his hardcore fanbase. The substance of what P does has never changed ever since 1978. Other orgers who are a lot into funk and/or electronica, know that and have acknowledged it.

.

It's a casting error, a bit as if the Stones had made a fanbase out of funkateers when they went through their disco phase with Miss You, and then when they're back to good ol' rock n roll the fans'd complain that the Stones are so not funky anymore. Fuck no they ain't, they never were meant to be funky.

.

For one Lotusflow3r Prince will always release 5 Mplsound, because in subtance what he does is Mplasound, not Lotusflow3r.

.

Why Dylan and Mccartney fans held on to Prince all those years (though in disgust), is what I don't get

I get some of your points, but the genius of Prince is that his greatest music transcends those lame labels of American Music.

True, but it's still rooted in synths and R&B.

vainandy said:

databank said:

Just one thing, reading this thread I realize I understand better why there's so much disgust for P's music after 1995 on this forum.

.

I read those names so often here: Bowie, Dylan, Springsteen, McCartney, The Rolling Stones, Kate Bush and even now Neil Diamond and Pixies...

.

I mean seriously? On a Prince forum?Don't get me wrong I'm in love with Kate Bush and I like David Bowie a lot and I even happen to dig Pixies but that's mostly because my pals were so much into it when I was in hi skool and their music is part of my history. But I wouldn't ever go anywhere near a Springsteen, McCartney, Diamond, The Stones or Dylan album. Again don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't think they're talented, it's just folk and rock and blues and therefore not my thang even though I'll dig a rock/folk/blues thing every once in a while.

.

I'm basically into Black music (jazz, funk, hip-hop, you name it), synthpop/post-punk/new wave and electronic music and all its subgenres (from house to trip-hop to ambient to drumnbass and so on), and overall I dig P's post WB music a lot.

.

Before being on the Org I assumed on a Prince forum people would talk James Brown and George Clinton and Cameo and Public Enemy and John Coltrane all day. I assumed they'd be into Björk and Tricky and Felix Da Housecat and Chicks On Speed and that they'd go dancing to house music in clubs on week-ends.

.

I really didn't think I'd hear about Paul McCartney every day But yeah, I think if I was into McCartney or Spingsteen or Dylan etc., yeah, I'd probably hate most of what P has released since 96. makes sense to me.

.

I think Prince's music, past the 80's, is mostly aimed at people who're into Black music, synthpop and electronica. As discussed in a recent thread funk afficionados usually LOVE Newpower Soul while most orgers hate it. On the other hand when I read rave reviews about a lo-fi acoustic blues song like Indifference I'm a bit like WTF? Prince fans bitch on Chocolate Box or Lavaux, but rave about an acoustic lo-fi song?

.

I think at some point Prince achieved his dream of crossing over so much that he attracted a whole crowd of people who actually listen to things that have nothing to do with what he does in substance, and those people made a good half of his hardcore fanbase. The substance of what P does has never changed ever since 1978. Other orgers who are a lot into funk and/or electronica, know that and have acknowledged it.

.

It's a casting error, a bit as if the Stones had made a fanbase out of funkateers when they went through their disco phase with Miss You, and then when they're back to good ol' rock n roll the fans'd complain that the Stones are so not funky anymore. Fuck no they ain't, they never were meant to be funky.

.

For one Lotusflow3r Prince will always release 5 Mplsound, because in subtance what he does is Mplasound, not Lotusflow3r.

.

Why Dylan and Mccartney fans held on to Prince all those years (though in disgust), is what I don't get

So the folks that don't like Prince's new album don't like it because they're into all this folk and rock music and Prince's new album is too black for them? Well, Prince's new album makes me taste vomit in my throat and I grew up listening to Rick James, Cameo, Zapp, Lakeside, The Barkays, The Dazz Band, Midnight Star, Bobby Nunn, One Way, Brick, Ebonee Webb, Bill Summers and Summers Heat, Fatback, Mass Production, Invisible Man's Band, Michael Henderson, Tom Browne, Change, Dynasty, Shalamar, The Whispers, Teena Marie, and countless others like them. Are those artists black enough for you?

.

Prince's new album is far from funk. It's a combination of shit hop and trance and I consider those genres a whiter version of what used to be two black genres. Before hip hop became shit hop in the 1990s, in the 1980s, especially the early 1980s when it was listened to by a predominately black audience only, it wasn't the snoozefest it turned into in the 1990s. Soul Sonic Force, Newcleus, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five, Twilight 22, Egyptian Lover, Run DMC, etc. weren't just a dull slow to midtempo cheap Fisher Price sounding beat with some talking on top of it. Those rap groups could get funky as hell and have the asses shaking on the dancefloor right alongside the funk acts of the day. And they didn't praise talking like an illiterate idiot on top of the music and praise thugs back then either. Oh yes, there was a little bit of shit hop being made also back then but it rarely made it's way onto the radio. It was underground where it belonged and it didn't come above ground until white people got into and once they got into it, it stayed above ground and never left. And as for the house music on Prince's new album. That's not house, that's trance and trance is what became of house when white people got into it. Yes, it may seem like it's black genre now because since the 2000s, a lot of shit hoppers started incorporating it as the background music for their raps. But in the late 80s and early 90s when house music was predominately black and hispanic, it sounded nothing like it became in the late 90s when white people started taking it over.

.

As for Prince getting into rap in the 1990s, I could tolerate it back then because it had not been totally run into the ground all over the radio yet. Pulling some of those old Prince records now from the 90s and listening to them, I think to myself.... "Damn, some of that sounds completely stupid. What in the HELL was he thinking back then? Hell, what the HELL was I thinking back then too?"....But see, I could tolerate it back then because it had not been totally run into the ground yet.

.

Folks say.... "Get with the times, this is 2015."..... Well, they're absolutely right. It is 2015 which is 15 years after the 1990s ended. So why in the HELL is shit hop and trance STILL dominating the mainstream? Seems to me like it's the mainstream that needs to get with the times and move on because the 1990s are over and have been over for 15 years.... FIFTEEN years. Oh, well that's just the way it is so you'll just have to accept it? Uh...no, I don't think so. I don't have to like it and I certainly don't have to buy it. Oh, I'm just mad because it's not funk dominating anymore? Maybe so. I mean, if the mainstream is going to get stuck on a particular genre and NEVER let it die, you mean to tell me that something like shit hop or trance is better than funk? No, I don't think so. But actually, what I want to see is a much needed complete style change in R&B. If somebody can come up with something better than funk, fine, and if they can't, that's fine too. But it's time for the 1990s to end and something completely different to take over. I'm not talking about Prince, I'm talking about the mainstream music scene. Prince just sold out to it though on his latest album and I don't support someone helping things stay the same when they need to be trying to either change things or at least give their fans that supported them what they want to hear which is something that does NOT fit in with today's mainstream.

U don't even reply to what I've said, so what am I supposed to say now?

I'm not gonna argue for the sake of arguing. If u reread my original post and care to reply to what it says instead of what it doesn't say, then we can talk.

Genesia said:

vainandy said:

So the folks that don't like Prince's new album don't like it because they're into all this folk and rock music and Prince's new album is too black for them? Well, Prince's new album makes me taste vomit in my throat and I grew up listening to Rick James, Cameo, Zapp, Lakeside, The Barkays, The Dazz Band, Midnight Star, Bobby Nunn, One Way, Brick, Ebonee Webb, Bill Summers and Summers Heat, Fatback, Mass Production, Invisible Man's Band, Michael Henderson, Tom Browne, Change, Dynasty, Shalamar, The Whispers, Teena Marie, and countless others like them. Are those artists black enough for you?

.

Prince's new album is far from funk. It's a combination of shit hop and trance and I consider those genres a whiter version of what used to be two black genres. Before hip hop became shit hop in the 1990s, in the 1980s, especially the early 1980s when it was listened to by a predominately black audience only, it wasn't the snoozefest it turned into in the 1990s. Soul Sonic Force, Newcleus, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five, Twilight 22, Egyptian Lover, Run DMC, etc. weren't just a dull slow to midtempo cheap Fisher Price sounding beat with some talking on top of it. Those rap groups could get funky as hell and have the asses shaking on the dancefloor right alongside the funk acts of the day. And they didn't praise talking like an illiterate idiot on top of the music and praise thugs back then either. Oh yes, there was a little bit of shit hop being made also back then but it rarely made it's way onto the radio. It was underground where it belonged and it didn't come above ground until white people got into and once they got into it, it stayed above ground and never left. And as for the house music on Prince's new album. That's not house, that's trance and trance is what became of house when white people got into it. Yes, it may seem like it's black genre now because since the 2000s, a lot of shit hoppers started incorporating it as the background music for their raps. But in the late 80s and early 90s when house music was predominately black and hispanic, it sounded nothing like it became in the late 90s when white people started taking it over.

.

As for Prince getting into rap in the 1990s, I could tolerate it back then because it had not been totally run into the ground all over the radio yet. Pulling some of those old Prince records now from the 90s and listening to them, I think to myself.... "Damn, some of that sounds completely stupid. What in the HELL was he thinking back then? Hell, what the HELL was I thinking back then too?"....But see, I could tolerate it back then because it had not been totally run into the ground yet.

.

Folks say.... "Get with the times, this is 2015."..... Well, they're absolutely right. It is 2015 which is 15 years after the 1990s ended. So why in the HELL is shit hop and trance STILL dominating the mainstream? Seems to me like it's the mainstream that needs to get with the times and move on because the 1990s are over and have been over for 15 years.... FIFTEEN years. Oh, well that's just the way it is so you'll just have to accept it? Uh...no, I don't think so. I don't have to like it and I certainly don't have to buy it. Oh, I'm just mad because it's not funk dominating anymore? Maybe so. I mean, if the mainstream is going to get stuck on a particular genre and NEVER let it die, you mean to tell me that something like shit hop or trance is better than funk? No, I don't think so. But actually, what I want to see is a much needed complete style change in R&B. If somebody can come up with something better than funk, fine, and if they can't, that's fine too. But it's time for the 1990s to end and something completely different to take over. I'm not talking about Prince, I'm talking about the mainstream music scene. Prince just sold out to it though on his latest album and I don't support someone helping things stay the same when they need to be trying to either change things or at least give their fans that supported them what they want to hear which is something that does NOT fit in with today's mainstream.

So u still didn't get my point in the end

I

AM

NOT

TALKING

ABOUT

THE

NEW

ALBUM

OK?

Now if y'all wanna read back my original post and talk about what it says instead of what it doesn't, let's talk.

If u won't then don't bother and let's just call it a day, OK?

databank said:

Genesia said:

So u still didn't get my point in the end

I get it. I don't agree with it.

Genesia said:

databank said:

So u still didn't get my point in the end

I get it. I don't agree with it.

Then why did u clap ur hands at a reply to something I never even said in the first place?

databank said:

Genesia said:

I get it. I don't agree with it.

Then why did u clap ur hands at a reply to something I never even said in the first place?

I was applauding what Andy said, in general. It has nothing to do with you.

Genesia said:

databank said:

Then why did u clap ur hands at a reply to something I never even said in the first place?

I was applauding what Andy said, in general. It has nothing to do with you.

OK then

Phillipg said:

databank said:

Just one thing, reading this thread I realize I understand better why there's so much disgust for P's music after 1995 on this forum.

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I read those names so often here: Bowie, Dylan, Springsteen, McCartney, The Rolling Stones, Kate Bush and even now Neil Diamond and Pixies...

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I mean seriously? On a Prince forum?Don't get me wrong I'm in love with Kate Bush and I like David Bowie a lot and I even happen to dig Pixies but that's mostly because my pals were so much into it when I was in hi skool and their music is part of my history. But I wouldn't ever go anywhere near a Springsteen, McCartney, Diamond, The Stones or Dylan album. Again don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't think they're talented, it's just folk and rock and blues and therefore not my thang even though I'll dig a rock/folk/blues thing every once in a while.

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I'm basically into Black music (jazz, funk, hip-hop, you name it), synthpop/post-punk/new wave and electronic music and all its subgenres (from house to trip-hop to ambient to drumnbass and so on), and overall I dig P's post WB music a lot.

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Before being on the Org I assumed on a Prince forum people would talk James Brown and George Clinton and Cameo and Public Enemy and John Coltrane all day. I assumed they'd be into Björk and Tricky and Felix Da Housecat and Chicks On Speed and that they'd go dancing to house music in clubs on week-ends.

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I really didn't think I'd hear about Paul McCartney every day But yeah, I think if I was into McCartney or Spingsteen or Dylan etc., yeah, I'd probably hate most of what P has released since 96. makes sense to me.

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I think Prince's music, past the 80's, is mostly aimed at people who're into Black music, synthpop and electronica. As discussed in a recent thread funk afficionados usually LOVE Newpower Soul while most orgers hate it. On the other hand when I read rave reviews about a lo-fi acoustic blues song like Indifference I'm a bit like WTF? Prince fans bitch on Chocolate Box or Lavaux, but rave about an acoustic lo-fi song?

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I think at some point Prince achieved his dream of crossing over so much that he attracted a whole crowd of people who actually listen to things that have nothing to do with what he does in substance, and those people made a good half of his hardcore fanbase. The substance of what P does has never changed ever since 1978. Other orgers who are a lot into funk and/or electronica, know that and have acknowledged it.

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It's a casting error, a bit as if the Stones had made a fanbase out of funkateers when they went through their disco phase with Miss You, and then when they're back to good ol' rock n roll the fans'd complain that the Stones are so not funky anymore. Fuck no they ain't, they never were meant to be funky.

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For one Lotusflow3r Prince will always release 5 Mplsound, because in subtance what he does is Mplasound, not Lotusflow3r.

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Why Dylan and Mccartney fans held on to Prince all those years (though in disgust), is what I don't get

Great point

if it wasn't one of the dumbest things i'd ever read on the org, i'd agree with you

KingSausage said:

NorthC said:

KingSausage said:

MoBettaBliss said:

Phillipg said:

Great point

if it wasn't one of the dumbest things i'd ever read on the org, i'd agree with you

And you would be...?

databank said:

vainandy said:

So the folks that don't like Prince's new album don't like it because they're into all this folk and rock music and Prince's new album is too black for them? Well, Prince's new album makes me taste vomit in my throat and I grew up listening to Rick James, Cameo, Zapp, Lakeside, The Barkays, The Dazz Band, Midnight Star, Bobby Nunn, One Way, Brick, Ebonee Webb, Bill Summers and Summers Heat, Fatback, Mass Production, Invisible Man's Band, Michael Henderson, Tom Browne, Change, Dynasty, Shalamar, The Whispers, Teena Marie, and countless others like them. Are those artists black enough for you?

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Prince's new album is far from funk. It's a combination of shit hop and trance and I consider those genres a whiter version of what used to be two black genres. Before hip hop became shit hop in the 1990s, in the 1980s, especially the early 1980s when it was listened to by a predominately black audience only, it wasn't the snoozefest it turned into in the 1990s. Soul Sonic Force, Newcleus, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five, Twilight 22, Egyptian Lover, Run DMC, etc. weren't just a dull slow to midtempo cheap Fisher Price sounding beat with some talking on top of it. Those rap groups could get funky as hell and have the asses shaking on the dancefloor right alongside the funk acts of the day. And they didn't praise talking like an illiterate idiot on top of the music and praise thugs back then either. Oh yes, there was a little bit of shit hop being made also back then but it rarely made it's way onto the radio. It was underground where it belonged and it didn't come above ground until white people got into and once they got into it, it stayed above ground and never left. And as for the house music on Prince's new album. That's not house, that's trance and trance is what became of house when white people got into it. Yes, it may seem like it's black genre now because since the 2000s, a lot of shit hoppers started incorporating it as the background music for their raps. But in the late 80s and early 90s when house music was predominately black and hispanic, it sounded nothing like it became in the late 90s when white people started taking it over.

.

As for Prince getting into rap in the 1990s, I could tolerate it back then because it had not been totally run into the ground all over the radio yet. Pulling some of those old Prince records now from the 90s and listening to them, I think to myself.... "Damn, some of that sounds completely stupid. What in the HELL was he thinking back then? Hell, what the HELL was I thinking back then too?"....But see, I could tolerate it back then because it had not been totally run into the ground yet.

.

Folks say.... "Get with the times, this is 2015."..... Well, they're absolutely right. It is 2015 which is 15 years after the 1990s ended. So why in the HELL is shit hop and trance STILL dominating the mainstream? Seems to me like it's the mainstream that needs to get with the times and move on because the 1990s are over and have been over for 15 years.... FIFTEEN years. Oh, well that's just the way it is so you'll just have to accept it? Uh...no, I don't think so. I don't have to like it and I certainly don't have to buy it. Oh, I'm just mad because it's not funk dominating anymore? Maybe so. I mean, if the mainstream is going to get stuck on a particular genre and NEVER let it die, you mean to tell me that something like shit hop or trance is better than funk? No, I don't think so. But actually, what I want to see is a much needed complete style change in R&B. If somebody can come up with something better than funk, fine, and if they can't, that's fine too. But it's time for the 1990s to end and something completely different to take over. I'm not talking about Prince, I'm talking about the mainstream music scene. Prince just sold out to it though on his latest album and I don't support someone helping things stay the same when they need to be trying to either change things or at least give their fans that supported them what they want to hear which is something that does NOT fit in with today's mainstream.

U don't even reply to what I've said, so what am I supposed to say now?

I'm not gonna argue for the sake of arguing. If u reread my original post and care to reply to what it says instead of what it doesn't say, then we can talk.

Vainandy is one of the most orthodox Prince fan around, so I'm not surprised he dislikes the record so much.

Aerogram said:

databank said:

U don't even reply to what I've said, so what am I supposed to say now?

I'm not gonna argue for the sake of arguing. If u reread my original post and care to reply to what it says instead of what it doesn't say, then we can talk.

Vainandy is one of the most orthodox Prince fan around, so I'm not surprised he dislikes the record so much.

Thing is I wasn't talking about the record in the first place.

databank said:

MoBettaBliss said:

if it wasn't one of the dumbest things i'd ever read on the org, i'd agree with you

And you would be...?

bliss

been here on and off for 13 years

k?

vainandy said:

So the folks that don't like Prince's new album don't like it because they're into all this folk and rock music and Prince's new album is too black for them? Well, Prince's new album makes me taste vomit in my throat and I grew up listening to Rick James, Cameo, Zapp, Lakeside, The Barkays, The Dazz Band, Midnight Star, Bobby Nunn, One Way, Brick, Ebonee Webb, Bill Summers and Summers Heat, Fatback, Mass Production, Invisible Man's Band, Michael Henderson, Tom Browne, Change, Dynasty, Shalamar, The Whispers, Teena Marie, and countless others like them. Are those artists black enough for you?

.

Prince's new album is far from funk. It's a combination of shit hop and trance and I consider those genres a whiter version of what used to be two black genres. Before hip hop became shit hop in the 1990s, in the 1980s, especially the early 1980s when it was listened to by a predominately black audience only, it wasn't the snoozefest it turned into in the 1990s. Soul Sonic Force, Newcleus, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five, Twilight 22, Egyptian Lover, Run DMC, etc. weren't just a dull slow to midtempo cheap Fisher Price sounding beat with some talking on top of it. Those rap groups could get funky as hell and have the asses shaking on the dancefloor right alongside the funk acts of the day. And they didn't praise talking like an illiterate idiot on top of the music and praise thugs back then either. Oh yes, there was a little bit of shit hop being made also back then but it rarely made it's way onto the radio. It was underground where it belonged and it didn't come above ground until white people got into and once they got into it, it stayed above ground and never left. And as for the house music on Prince's new album. That's not house, that's trance and trance is what became of house when white people got into it. Yes, it may seem like it's black genre now because since the 2000s, a lot of shit hoppers started incorporating it as the background music for their raps. But in the late 80s and early 90s when house music was predominately black and hispanic, it sounded nothing like it became in the late 90s when white people started taking it over.

.

As for Prince getting into rap in the 1990s, I could tolerate it back then because it had not been totally run into the ground all over the radio yet. Pulling some of those old Prince records now from the 90s and listening to them, I think to myself.... "Damn, some of that sounds completely stupid. What in the HELL was he thinking back then? Hell, what the HELL was I thinking back then too?"....But see, I could tolerate it back then because it had not been totally run into the ground yet.

.

Folks say.... "Get with the times, this is 2015."..... Well, they're absolutely right. It is 2015 which is 15 years after the 1990s ended. So why in the HELL is shit hop and trance STILL dominating the mainstream? Seems to me like it's the mainstream that needs to get with the times and move on because the 1990s are over and have been over for 15 years.... FIFTEEN years. Oh, well that's just the way it is so you'll just have to accept it? Uh...no, I don't think so. I don't have to like it and I certainly don't have to buy it. Oh, I'm just mad because it's not funk dominating anymore? Maybe so. I mean, if the mainstream is going to get stuck on a particular genre and NEVER let it die, you mean to tell me that something like shit hop or trance is better than funk? No, I don't think so. But actually, what I want to see is a much needed complete style change in R&B. If somebody can come up with something better than funk, fine, and if they can't, that's fine too. But it's time for the 1990s to end and something completely different to take over. I'm not talking about Prince, I'm talking about the mainstream music scene. Prince just sold out to it though on his latest album and I don't support someone helping things stay the same when they need to be trying to either change things or at least give their fans that supported them what they want to hear which is something that does NOT fit in with today's mainstream.

Great post!

databank said:

Aerogram said:

Vainandy is one of the most orthodox Prince fan around, so I'm not surprised he dislikes the record so much.

Thing is I wasn't talking about the record in the first place.

I agree with most of VainAndy said but I think you are making some very valid points, too. I can relate to some of what you wrote and understand that you´re not talking about just this one album but neither is Andy.

People don't pay a little deeper attention to great artist and have tendency to watch their work independently from their persona.People think that the life of this people is consisted from full time creativity and in that disappears.We can't compare in some analytical way works of various artists at the same age, because guess why?

1.Inner life of a human being, and especailly of a great artist, that immeasurable valley, is a dinamic and always growing state.

2.What follows above premise is a fact that the state is not always is the same 'voltage' in that specified age.

3.And as a logical conclusion from above premises is what is the point of age comparisons?I can't see it.

Works and personality of an artists must be viewed in a more serious and harder way than this.

Prince just last year made 2 albums!, why i can't find a topic Prince vs. other artists at age 56?

AOA and PlectrumElectrum are very good albums.I think it will take time while some people understand what a masterpiece PlectrumElectrum is.

stpaisios said:

MoBettaBliss said:

databank said:

And you would be...?

bliss

been here on and off for 13 years

k?

Mostly off obviously

[Edited 9/10/15 16:30pm]