rusty1 said:

Prince is very confusing ..Writes "Slave" on his face back in 1994.. He Battles WB & the resigns with them April of 2014.. He's all over the place. I'll say it again he is now irrelevant..

Ok Prince is irrelevant.

Now we can all pack up and leave -- you go first and I'll join you in a few while I bid everybody a fond adieu.

Prince is a hypocrite..

He was back with the "evil" Warner for Art Official Age and Purple Rain 30th anniverssary 2014...

(altho PR ANI wasn't released...)

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rusty1 said:

Prince is very confusing ..Writes "Slave" on his face back in 1994.. He Battles WB & the resigns with them April of 2014.. He's all over the place. I'll say it again he is now irrelevant..

You're assuming he resigned with them in the traditional manner, which I'm pretty sure he didn't. Are there any details about what was or wasn't agreed, or just a load of assumptions? There's no way Prince tied himself down to anything.

warning2all said:

thedance said:

Prince is a hypocrite..

He was back with the "evil" Warner for Art Official Age and Purple Rain 30th anniverssary 2014...

(altho PR ANI wasn't released...)

[Edited 8/13/15 0:22am]

He's only a hypocrite if he signed a deal and do we really think he signed any sort of traditional record contract?

I will say some of his so called fans on this board are irrelevant too

I have a problem with his sincerity 'using' racial symbolism and issues to further his own personal musical problems.

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the Slave / Emancipation connection

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Albums, Still Matter...

Like Books,

and Black Lives,

Albums Still Matter

2night And Always

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this is right after his dual albums:Art Official Age + PlectrumElectrum promotions
it is clear he is pushing 4 albums over the rest

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then in 2015 when he is ready try to get people sign up with Tidal in order to by his album/music

I don't know why he needs to connect his stuff like this, almost like the way Media/Politicians try to incite trouble by using race

I admit that I'm also a bit tired of hearing talk abotu this over and over. Sometimes he doesn't talk about it for a while but then whenn he gets on a roll he doesn't let go of it.

Where I do agree with Prince is that he is right and this is not irrelevant. Prince is not talking about this for sake of the general public or maybe even the record buying public. He's talking about this for new or emerging artists. That's why and so in that case, yes what he says is extremely relevant. There are thousands of bands and artists out there looking for that elusive record contract and he's just giving them a head's up.

I mean why wouoldn't he talk about it? He's now an elder statesman in the music business who has been through and seen some stuff. He's experienced enough now that he can pass on whatever information he has.

But yes....it can get tiresome sometimes.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I have a problem with his sincerity 'using' racial symbolism and issues to further his own personal musical problems.

.

the Slave / Emancipation connection

.

Albums, Still Matter...

Like Books,

and Black Lives,

Albums Still Matter

2night And Always

.

this is right after his dual albums:Art Official Age + PlectrumElectrum promotions
it is clear he is pushing 4 albums over the rest

.

then in 2015 when he is ready try to get people sign up with Tidal in order to by his album/music

I don't know why he needs to connect his stuff like this, almost like the way Media/Politicians try to incite trouble by using race

If this narrative is going to aid in getting him what he wants, I can see the little homie saying whatever. However, at this moment, I do not see how earning Jay-Z another $200,000,000 is going to help black communities achieve financial prosperity in the long run. My opinion on this could change as more details are revealed.

TheEnglishGent said:

rusty1 said:

Prince is very confusing ..Writes "Slave" on his face back in 1994.. He Battles WB & the resigns with them April of 2014.. He's all over the place. I'll say it again he is now irrelevant..

You're assuming he resigned with them in the traditional manner, which I'm pretty sure he didn't. Are there any details about what was or wasn't agreed, or just a load of assumptions? There's no way Prince tied himself down to anything.

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No matter how much evidence is presented, you still won't believe it. Here's an idea: look at what has happened since May last year, and try to discern some patterns.

Milty2 said:

I admit that I'm also a bit tired of hearing talk abotu this over and over. Sometimes he doesn't talk about it for a while but then whenn he gets on a roll he doesn't let go of it.

Where I do agree with Prince is that he is right and this is not irrelevant. Prince is not talking about this for sake of the general public or maybe even the record buying public. He's talking about this for new or emerging artists. That's why and so in that case, yes what he says is extremely relevant. There are thousands of bands and artists out there looking for that elusive record contract and he's just giving them a head's up.

I mean why wouoldn't he talk about it? He's now an elder statesman in the music business who has been through and seen some stuff. He's experienced enough now that he can pass on whatever information he has.

But yes....it can get tiresome sometimes.

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For those of you that say that Prince has got a point, lemme explain this. All Prince cares about is Prince.

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When he talks about Gwen Stefani not being free, that too is Prince caring about himself, because her not being free means that he cannot profit from her celebrity and fame by releasing a single that features her voice somewhere buried in the mix but her name and picture prominently on the cover, without her record company agreeing to it. And they aren’t agreeing to it, because they’re using her name and fame to re-launch her band and they’re investing a truckload of money and they don’t want some washed-up former rockstar to profit off their investments for him to promote his comeback attempt.

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It really isn’t hard.

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So now he's talking about "upcoming artists" -- guess what, it's exactly the same thing. Prince wants to attach his wagon to their train (see for instance his increasingly desperate attempts at getting a song on Rita Ora's album) and their record companies ain't having none of that because there's nothing in it for them (or for the artists).

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Note that Prince has offered ZILCH towards supporting artists, other than "advice".

I would use the term whore, not slave. As Ice-T once said, we are all either pimps or ho's.

mhnl1979 said:

It's ironic that Prince is full of ownership and the fact that musicians have no rights or ownership, while at the same time he uses Tidal, a streaming service to sell his music. But there is no possibility for ownership when streaming. Prince should focus on making music and touring. Thats something he is really good at!

Exactly. He constantly whines about artists not having rights, but look at the way he's treated his own artists at Paisley Park. Here are a few examples:

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The Time: Fires Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis in the early 80's for simply "spending too much time producing other artists". He them goes on to claim in Rolling Stone that he didn't fire them and that is was Morris's call. He later goes on to refuse to let them use their name for 2011's Condensate, claiming that he "has future use for them". He hasn't used The Time lisense since 1990.

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Jill Jones: Delays the shit out of her album until it's eventual dead on arrival release in 1987. It should have come out during the wave of Purple Rain in '84. Later promises her a big role in Graffiti Bridge only to reduce it at the last minute, angering her.

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The Family: Overworks lead singer Paul Peterson in order to imitate his guide vocals (including one 12-hour session in which Paul had to repeat just three lines to Prince's satisfaction), makes the album unpromotable due to most of the band not being available (Susannah, Miko, Jerome, and Eric were all added to Prince's band), which led to Paul's departure. And just like The Time, refuses to let the use their name for their next four independent albums, once again claiming that lisense he hasn't used since 1985 is in "future use".

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Ingrid Chavez: Her album started production in December of 1987, but quickly stalled as Prince was working on other projects. Rather that sit around and wait for him to finish, she and engineer Michael Koppelman decided to finish the album themselves in 1991, which led to (according to Koppelman) a "angry confrontation in a Paisley Park control room" between Prince and Ingrid. All because they finished the album and she went to Warner Brothers in a bid to release it without him involved.

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and so on, and so on, and so on.....

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He just seems like a massive hypocrite when he whines about being a "slave", but if you look at how he's treated his own artists, ask yourself: who were really the "slaves"?

BartVanHemelen said:

TheEnglishGent said:

You're assuming he resigned with them in the traditional manner, which I'm pretty sure he didn't. Are there any details about what was or wasn't agreed, or just a load of assumptions? There's no way Prince tied himself down to anything.

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No matter how much evidence is presented, you still won't believe it. Here's an idea: look at what has happened since May last year, and try to discern some patterns.

What evidence is there that Prince tied himself down to WB again? What details do you have of any agreement between Prince and WB?

TheEnglishGent said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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No matter how much evidence is presented, you still won't believe it. Here's an idea: look at what has happened since May last year, and try to discern some patterns.

What evidence is there that Prince tied himself down to WB again? What details do you have of any agreement between Prince and WB?

Seriously?

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Here

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Here

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and here.

PurpleMedley122 said:

TheEnglishGent said:

What evidence is there that Prince tied himself down to WB again? What details do you have of any agreement between Prince and WB?

Seriously?

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Here

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Here

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and here.

Yeah, wonderful. I didn't say he hadn't done something with WB. Prince is warning young artists about the draw backs of record contracts.

Now where is the evidence that prince has tied himself down to WB with the type of contract he's warnign the young 'uns about? What is the length of this deal? How many albums is it for? What money changed hands? There are no details in any of those articles and I haven't seen any since.

I'm not even saying that he hasn't, although I don't believe he would. I'm just asking the questions as I see many assumptions without anything backing them up.

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rusty1 said:

Prince is very confusing ..Writes "Slave" on his face back in 1994.. He Battles WB & the resigns with them April of 2014.. He's all over the place. I'll say it again he is now irrelevant..

And you're still talking about him.

BartVanHemelen said:

Milty2 said:

I admit that I'm also a bit tired of hearing talk abotu this over and over. Sometimes he doesn't talk about it for a while but then whenn he gets on a roll he doesn't let go of it.

Where I do agree with Prince is that he is right and this is not irrelevant. Prince is not talking about this for sake of the general public or maybe even the record buying public. He's talking about this for new or emerging artists. That's why and so in that case, yes what he says is extremely relevant. There are thousands of bands and artists out there looking for that elusive record contract and he's just giving them a head's up.

I mean why wouoldn't he talk about it? He's now an elder statesman in the music business who has been through and seen some stuff. He's experienced enough now that he can pass on whatever information he has.

But yes....it can get tiresome sometimes.

.

For those of you that say that Prince has got a point, lemme explain this. All Prince cares about is Prince.

.

When he talks about Gwen Stefani not being free, that too is Prince caring about himself, because her not being free means that he cannot profit from her celebrity and fame by releasing a single that features her voice somewhere buried in the mix but her name and picture prominently on the cover, without her record company agreeing to it. And they aren’t agreeing to it, because they’re using her name and fame to re-launch her band and they’re investing a truckload of money and they don’t want some washed-up former rockstar to profit off their investments for him to promote his comeback attempt.

.

It really isn’t hard.

.

So now he's talking about "upcoming artists" -- guess what, it's exactly the same thing. Prince wants to attach his wagon to their train (see for instance his increasingly desperate attempts at getting a song on Rita Ora's album) and their record companies ain't having none of that because there's nothing in it for them (or for the artists).

.

Note that Prince has offered ZILCH towards supporting artists, other than "advice".

Haha. So much opinion stated as fact. You are funny.

The problem with the harsh "historical" treatment of Prince is that it doesn't allow him to be a changed man.

People complain about Prince becoming too religious, but I think that happened because he had immense regrets about how he behaved in the past. He deeply regrets some of the things he did, but he was also in a system bigger than his own ego. He has a perspective on all this and I think it's legitimately racism.

Prince was one of the symbols of the whole "race doesn't matter" movement, the whole Uptown thing. He happened to realize that his views were influential, but unrealistic in the face of the persistence of racism.

Watching the Cosby Show and listening to Purple Rain in the 1980's, would you have guessed that there would still be extreme racial inequality in the USA today? Personally, I thought for sure, we would evolve and practically end racism, but we haven't.

Prince is following words with action. He may be hurting his chances of commercial success and upsetting many people here, but he's willing to pay the price. Just like he was when he wanted Dirty Mind to be his next record.

ConsciousContact said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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For those of you that say that Prince has got a point, lemme explain this. All Prince cares about is Prince.

.

When he talks about Gwen Stefani not being free, that too is Prince caring about himself, because her not being free means that he cannot profit from her celebrity and fame by releasing a single that features her voice somewhere buried in the mix but her name and picture prominently on the cover, without her record company agreeing to it. And they aren’t agreeing to it, because they’re using her name and fame to re-launch her band and they’re investing a truckload of money and they don’t want some washed-up former rockstar to profit off their investments for him to promote his comeback attempt.

.

It really isn’t hard.

.

So now he's talking about "upcoming artists" -- guess what, it's exactly the same thing. Prince wants to attach his wagon to their train (see for instance his increasingly desperate attempts at getting a song on Rita Ora's album) and their record companies ain't having none of that because there's nothing in it for them (or for the artists).

.

Note that Prince has offered ZILCH towards supporting artists, other than "advice".

Haha. So much opinion stated as fact. You are funny.

Then where's your rebuttal? I don't know about you, but to my ears you could barely hear Gwen on So Far, So Pleased, Rave was indeed a failed comback attempt (look at reviews, chart placing, and sales), Rita Ora HAS done a track with Prince (several), and, judging from his recent deal with a STREAMING company and the fact that it took two years for PlecElec to come out is one of the many examples that he has a bad reputation with record companies.

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Next time, don't claim someone is wrong without stating WHY they are wrong.

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PurpleMedley122 said:

ConsciousContact said:

Haha. So much opinion stated as fact. You are funny.

Then where's your rebuttal? I don't know about you, but to my ears you could barely hear Gwen on So Far, So Pleased, Rave was indeed a failed comback attempt (look at reviews, chart placing, and sales), Rita Ora HAS done a track with Prince (several), and, judging from his recent deal with a STREAMING company and the fact that it took two years for PlecElec to come out is one of the many examples that he has a bad reputation with record companies.

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Next time, don't claim someone is wrong without stating WHY they are wrong.

[Edited 8/13/15 15:04pm]

No I won't. Thanks for the advice.

Aerogram said:

The problem with the harsh "historical" treatment of Prince is that it doesn't allow him to be a changed man.

People complain about Prince becoming too religious, but I think that happened because he had immense regrets about how he behaved in the past. He deeply regrets some of the things he did, but he was also in a system bigger than his own ego. He has a perspective on all this and I think it's legitimately racism.

Prince was one of the symbols of the whole "race doesn't matter" movement, the whole Uptown thing. He happened to realize that his views were influential, but unrealistic in the face of the persistence of racism.

Watching the Cosby Show and listening to Purple Rain in the 1980's, would you have guessed that there would still be extreme racial inequality in the USA today? Personally, I thought for sure, we would evolve and practically end racism, but we haven't.

Prince is following words with action. He may be hurting his chances of commercial success and upsetting many people here, but he's willing to pay the price. Just like he was when he wanted Dirty Mind to be his next record.

Nah.

I see Prince latching onto the race debate because that's the only way people will perhaps listen to him.

He preached his religous beliefs for years and no one listened with both ears.

His music from the past 20 years misses the charts.

If it hadn't been for the 'white folks' at WB Prince would be a tiny player. Imagine if Prince were 19 years old today where would he go/what would he do?

He could release his music on Amazon/itunes and have complete artistic control like tens of thousands of others but he would never achieve the heights he did in the 80's without the help of a major label.

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Racism isn't a one way street.

The world won't, and shouldn't stop because there's a bunch of cops that shouldn't be wearing the uniform. And non-blacks (like myself) are NEVER going to join that cause when a punk like michael brown is their poster boy.

Put Walter Scott there instead and I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with you as long as it takes.

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There are countless other causes that take up our time (a friend paralyzed by a drunk driver who only got probation!, family members with cancer) and lifes everyday troubles.

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You said, you thought we would be more evolved by now but we can only control ourselves.

Nobody should interupt someone's speech just because they're not talking about what you want them to talk about. They should have their own speech on their place/time otherwise they're making more enemies than friends.

It seems the black community wants us to believe that EVERY person arrested nowadays is innocent. Bullshit.

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Listen to Slave 2 R Freedom by Jesse Johnson if you want to hear a true message.

If Prince really cared about racism we would hear something like that instead of crap like Baltimore.

That's my 3 cents!

EroticDreamer said:

Aerogram said:

The problem with the harsh "historical" treatment of Prince is that it doesn't allow him to be a changed man.

People complain about Prince becoming too religious, but I think that happened because he had immense regrets about how he behaved in the past. He deeply regrets some of the things he did, but he was also in a system bigger than his own ego. He has a perspective on all this and I think it's legitimately racism.

Prince was one of the symbols of the whole "race doesn't matter" movement, the whole Uptown thing. He happened to realize that his views were influential, but unrealistic in the face of the persistence of racism.

Watching the Cosby Show and listening to Purple Rain in the 1980's, would you have guessed that there would still be extreme racial inequality in the USA today? Personally, I thought for sure, we would evolve and practically end racism, but we haven't.

Prince is following words with action. He may be hurting his chances of commercial success and upsetting many people here, but he's willing to pay the price. Just like he was when he wanted Dirty Mind to be his next record.

Nah.

I see Prince latching onto the race debate because that's the only way people will perhaps listen to him.

He preached his religous beliefs for years and no one listened with both ears.

His music from the past 20 years misses the charts.

If it hadn't been for the 'white folks' at WB Prince would be a tiny player. Imagine if Prince were 19 years old today where would he go/what would he do?

He could release his music on Amazon/itunes and have complete artistic control like tens of thousands of others but he would never achieve the heights he did in the 80's without the help of a major label.

-

Racism isn't a one way street.

The world won't, and shouldn't stop because there's a bunch of cops that shouldn't be wearing the uniform. And non-blacks (like myself) are NEVER going to join that cause when a punk like michael brown is their poster boy.

Put Walter Scott there instead and I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with you as long as it takes.

-

There are countless other causes that take up our time (a friend paralyzed by a drunk driver who only got probation!, family members with cancer) and lifes everyday troubles.

-

You said, you thought we would be more evolved by now but we can only control ourselves.

Nobody should interupt someone's speech just because they're not talking about what you want them to talk about. They should have their own speech on their place/time otherwise they're making more enemies than friends.

It seems the black community wants us to believe that EVERY person arrested nowadays is innocent. Bullshit.

-

Listen to Slave 2 R Freedom by Jesse Johnson if you want to hear a true message.

If Prince really cared about racism we would hear something like that instead of crap like Baltimore.

That's my 3 cents!

Well, I'm sorry but you allude to reverse racism, equate the actions of a few BLM protesters at a Bernie Saunders rally as the general modus operandi of African Americans, unironically say Prince owes his career to white people (in a white dominated industry especially at the time, you don't say) and feel competent in explaining what the black community wants "us" to believe. I'm not here to deal with this willfully blind bullshit.

Just like you just exercised your freedom of speech to promote your views, Prince can do the same legitimally and even hurt his career in the process by losing fans like you if he wants to. It doesn't sound like he's terribly worried about anyone's reaction.

PurpleMedley122 said:

ConsciousContact said:

Haha. So much opinion stated as fact. You are funny.

Then where's your rebuttal? I don't know about you, but to my ears you could barely hear Gwen on So Far, So Pleased, Rave was indeed a failed comback attempt (look at reviews, chart placing, and sales),

RAVE was... kind of a comeback. Although the far superior "The Vault" was released only two months prior. You can't have a "comeback" album two months after you've released an album. Not really.

Rita Ora HAS done a track with Prince (several),

Yes. All unreleased. No "reason" has been given for why they're unreleased. Speculation as to why Prince held on to these tracks is just that. Speculation. Though it's fair to say he'd be a fool not to use these tracks as leverage if needed in negotiations. Big name duets carry weight.

and, judging from his recent deal with a STREAMING company and the fact that it took two years for PlecElec to come out is one of the many examples that he has a bad reputation with record companies.

All the "info" around the release of PlectrumElectrum. It's speculation. There is no evidence WB didn't wan't the album.