Damn! So very long time since Prince was "hot" outside the fanbase.

Damn! So very long time since Prince had a hit single - or a hit album.

It could be / it seems like.. people don't care much about Prince music (his new)


Where will he be Prince, in few years time, will he be totally forgotten...?

Will he be moving slowly further into "the dark"...?


Ps I am talking about the "newly" released studio music that isn't promoted much these days.

*I know Prince is still making good & very succesful concerts, but this thread isn't about that.


Is Prince a music-dinosaur, already extinct many years ago....

Looking into a crystal Ball: will he be totally forgotten, soon....

It's true, nothing has had real traction in years. He releases so much though.... if he allowed it he'd actually be perfect for Spotify - tracks from the past 20 years could be picked up and added to playlists and who knows what could happen... let people sift through them themselves.

There's still a chance he could fluke onto an honest-to-god hit record, but with his tendency to not promote things it seems a pretty remote chance.

and yet again another way orgers say the same damn thing...

Hypothetical:

-

What if Prince had a hit song this year that was as "big" as "Blurred Lines" or "Uptown Funk"?

-

What would that add to his career, his success, popular opinion, etc?

-

Do you think Robin Thicke or Mark Ronson or Bruno Mars command as much respect, demand, or commerical clout as Prince currently?

-

Also, what about musicians like The Rolling Stones, U2, Springsteen, or even Madonna? What was the last LEGIT "hit" song that any of these groups had?

-

Has it hurt their ability to receive rave reviews, tour, make money, etc?

-

The way I see it, Prince is much better off now in his career than he was in 1994 (when he had one of his biggest hits ever).

-

What would be more benefical to Prince's career (than having a "hit") would be properly maintaining/releasing/making available his back catalog for new generations of fans that get hooked and want more. Mastering youtube would be a good start.

-

Bottom line: a "hit" song these days is not worth what it used to be. Sadly, a "hit" in 2015 is worth a lot less than a hit in 1985. Most hits nowadays are are tied to something trying to sell you some kind of product.

-

Prince is the last of a dying breed...but it's not his fault. Check it out:

-

Look at the musicians in popular music that debuted between the years 1958 to 1988. You could name countless legendary musicians/groups/etc that are undeniably THE all time greats. Off the top of your head, you could literally name 25.

-

In three years it will be 2018.

-

Will you be able to name 25 equally impactful/legendary/great musicians/groups/etc that debuted between 1988 to 2018? I think not.

-

The music business has seen it's heydey. Having a hit ain't really shit. The only true thing to do is take it to the stage. Sadly, most new acts feel that they have to whore themselves out on social media, etc to get noticed. I mean, Janelle Monae should be about 20X more famous than Miley Cyrus, but it's not gonna happen.

-

Rant over. Partyup.

[Edited 6/20/15 12:34pm]

His legacy lives on... It's maintaining it that worries me especially with no social media prescence. No youtube videos of his past, his concerts, legacy lives on through the fans, but the rest of the public and new generation will have no idea who Prince is... It's sad.

feeluupp said:

In a few years time, he'll be 60.
i'm guessing he'll still be trying to be seen publicly with young women around him, etc.

But, Rock 'n' Roll is a youth oriented thing, and hot sales and heavy rotation are associated with peolpe in the 20s. Prince is just too old. Sure, there are a few folks who buck this trend from time to time, but it's not an ongoing thing. I mean Carlos Santana is not going to continously have huge hits album after album, just cause he scored big with something a few years back.

But, do we really want Prince chasing hits at this point?
I mean, have any of you SEEN Madonna's latest desperate video?

It's cringe-worthy and just really sad to witness.

What I'd like to see from Prince is consistent late-career albums on par with his 80s output in quality if not "relevancy." Folks whot think 20Ten, Lotusflow3r, or AOA are great albums will have their reasons for thinking so. But, I disagree. They're albums that vaguely hint at how good a song writer Prince can be if he put his mind to it--but, they fall short of being indicative of it. Prince can do better. Screw the hit-single stuff.

skywalker said:

Hypothetical:

-

What if Prince had a hit song this year that was as "big" as "Blurred Lines" or "Uptown Funk"?

-

What would that add to his career, his success, popular opinion, etc?

-

Do you think Robin Thicke or Mark Ronson or Bruno Mars command as much respect, demand, or commerical clout as Prince currently?

-

Also, what about musicians like The Rolling Stones, U2, Springsteen, or even Madonna? What was the last LEGIT "hit" song that any of these groups had?

-

Has it hurt their ability to receive rave reviews, tour, make money, etc?

-

The way I see it, Prince is much better off now in his career than he was in 1994 (when he had one of his biggest hits ever).

-

What would be more benefical to Prince's career (than having a "hit") would be properly maintaining/releasing/making available his back catalog for new generations of fans that get hooked and want more. Mastering youtube would be a good start.

-

Bottom line: a "hit" song these days is not worth what it used to be. Sadly, a "hit" in 2015 is worth a lot less than a hit in 1985. Most hits nowadays are are tied to something trying to sell you some kind of product.

-

Prince is the last of a dying breed...but it's not his fault. Check it out:

-

Look at the musicians in popular music that debuted between the years 1958 to 1988. You could name countless legendary musicians/groups/etc that are undeniably THE all time greats. Off the top of your head, you could literally name 25.

-

In three years it will be 2018.

-

Will you be able to name 25 equally impactful/legendary/great musicians/groups/etc that debuted between 1988 to 2018? I think not.

-

The music business has seen it's heydey. Having a hit ain't really shit. The only true thing to do is take it to the stage. Sadly, most new acts feel that they have to whore themselves out on social media, etc to get noticed. I mean, Janelle Monae should be about 20X more famous than Miley Cyrus, but it's not gonna happen.

-

Rant over. Partyup.

[Edited 6/20/15 12:34pm]

Awesome post, as always. Pretty much only Madonna is having "hits" nowadays from the '80s legends. And people flipped when they saw Prince at the Oscars, New Girl, Grammys, etc. He's still a huge name so even though he's not selling like he was even 10 years ago, I think he'll be okay.

I'd also like to point out that his Lotus/Mpl pack in 2009 sold something like 167K in its first week. And this in TARGET only. So it is disappointing seeing AOA sell dramatically less, but I think Prince's career is fine. But I'm more curious to see where Prince goes after this. Will there be another 3eg record, or a complete revamp of his style/band? I personally am ready for the latter.

where will Prince be in the future then.... ??

In case you had a crystal ball: will he be succesful releasing his music from now on..?




and how would you define "succes" in case of Prince's studio music..?

if succes ain't Prince's sales figures.. whats the criteria for success, then...?

.

[Edited 6/20/15 15:23pm]

feeluupp said:

His legacy lives on... It's maintaining it that worries me especially with no social media prescence. No youtube videos of his past, his concerts, legacy lives on through the fans, but the rest of the public and new generation will have no idea who Prince is... It's sad.

really, no one on twitter who rave about songs or music are on the fucking org

Blixical said:

In a few years time, he'll be 60.
i'm guessing he'll still be trying to be seen publicly with young women around him, etc.

But, Rock 'n' Roll is a youth oriented thing, and hot sales and heavy rotation are associated with peolpe in the 20s. Prince is just too old. Sure, there are a few folks who buck this trend from time to time, but it's not an ongoing thing. I mean Carlos Santana is not going to continously have huge hits album after album, just cause he scored big with something a few years back.

But, do we really want Prince chasing hits at this point?
I mean, have any of you SEEN Madonna's latest desperate video?

It's cringe-worthy and just really sad to witness.

What I'd like to see from Prince is consistent late-career albums on par with his 80s output in quality if not "relevancy." Folks whot think 20Ten, Lotusflow3r, or AOA are great albums will have their reasons for thinking so. But, I disagree. They're albums that vaguely hint at how good a song writer Prince can be if he put his mind to it--but, they fall short of being indicative of it. Prince can do better. Screw the hit-single stuff.

so, he should do what you would like to see?

thedance said:

skywalker said:

Hypothetical:

-

What if Prince had a hit song this year that was as "big" as "Blurred Lines" or "Uptown Funk"?

-

What would that add to his career, his success, popular opinion, etc?

-

Do you think Robin Thicke or Mark Ronson or Bruno Mars command as much respect, demand, or commerical clout as Prince currently?

-

Also, what about musicians like The Rolling Stones, U2, Springsteen, or even Madonna? What was the last LEGIT "hit" song that any of these groups had?

-

Has it hurt their ability to receive rave reviews, tour, make money, etc?

-

The way I see it, Prince is much better off now in his career than he was in 1994 (when he had one of his biggest hits ever).

-

What would be more benefical to Prince's career (than having a "hit") would be properly maintaining/releasing/making available his back catalog for new generations of fans that get hooked and want more. Mastering youtube would be a good start.

-

Bottom line: a "hit" song these days is not worth what it used to be. Sadly, a "hit" in 2015 is worth a lot less than a hit in 1985. Most hits nowadays are are tied to something trying to sell you some kind of product.

-

Prince is the last of a dying breed...but it's not his fault. Check it out:

-

Look at the musicians in popular music that debuted between the years 1958 to 1988. You could name countless legendary musicians/groups/etc that are undeniably THE all time greats. Off the top of your head, you could literally name 25.

-

In three years it will be 2018.

-

Will you be able to name 25 equally impactful/legendary/great musicians/groups/etc that debuted between 1988 to 2018? I think not.

-

The music business has seen it's heydey. Having a hit ain't really shit. The only true thing to do is take it to the stage. Sadly, most new acts feel that they have to whore themselves out on social media, etc to get noticed. I mean, Janelle Monae should be about 20X more famous than Miley Cyrus, but it's not gonna happen.

-

Rant over. Partyup.

[Edited 6/20/15 12:34pm]

Spoken with the wisdom of a true Jedi!

joyinrepetition said:

skywalker said:

Hypothetical:

-

What if Prince had a hit song this year that was as "big" as "Blurred Lines" or "Uptown Funk"?

-

What would that add to his career, his success, popular opinion, etc?

-

Do you think Robin Thicke or Mark Ronson or Bruno Mars command as much respect, demand, or commerical clout as Prince currently?

-

Also, what about musicians like The Rolling Stones, U2, Springsteen, or even Madonna? What was the last LEGIT "hit" song that any of these groups had?

-

Has it hurt their ability to receive rave reviews, tour, make money, etc?

-

The way I see it, Prince is much better off now in his career than he was in 1994 (when he had one of his biggest hits ever).

-

What would be more benefical to Prince's career (than having a "hit") would be properly maintaining/releasing/making available his back catalog for new generations of fans that get hooked and want more. Mastering youtube would be a good start.

-

Bottom line: a "hit" song these days is not worth what it used to be. Sadly, a "hit" in 2015 is worth a lot less than a hit in 1985. Most hits nowadays are are tied to something trying to sell you some kind of product.

-

Prince is the last of a dying breed...but it's not his fault. Check it out:

-

Look at the musicians in popular music that debuted between the years 1958 to 1988. You could name countless legendary musicians/groups/etc that are undeniably THE all time greats. Off the top of your head, you could literally name 25.

-

In three years it will be 2018.

-

Will you be able to name 25 equally impactful/legendary/great musicians/groups/etc that debuted between 1988 to 2018? I think not.

-

The music business has seen it's heydey. Having a hit ain't really shit. The only true thing to do is take it to the stage. Sadly, most new acts feel that they have to whore themselves out on social media, etc to get noticed. I mean, Janelle Monae should be about 20X more famous than Miley Cyrus, but it's not gonna happen.

-

Rant over. Partyup.

[Edited 6/20/15 12:34pm]

Spoken with the wisdom of a true Jedi!

Exactly - and let's not forget Prince was just chosen by the President for an A-list private party to be the headliner. I think he is doing just fine - as quoted above having a hit on the radio is fairly meaningless these days. Packing stadiums, etc is where the money is and Prince still commands everyones respect in this regard plus he commands the respect of most all high profile musicians. Doesn't get much better than that...

What if Prince released a song today like a When Doves Cry? Would listeners really think oh, wait, Prince is 57? Can't listen to that. After Michael Jackson died (at the age of 50) there were tons of young kids and teenagers getting into Michael's music... they didn't care what age he was. They didn't think of Michael's music being older. They saw him as being cool.

.

Prince's situation has more to do with his image/presentation, lack of promotion and habit of tossing together corny/lazy lyrics. Many of his newer song lyrics have gone on about record labels and stuff the typical person doesn't relate to.

.

I think people want to hear more songs that sound like Prince's world might actually fall apart if he doesn't get his woman back or whatever.

.

Prince also seems to have trouble with grading his own work and choosing which material to release. Songs like Jughead, Life of the Party, etc. were greenlighted - but Moonbeam Levels and I Guess I'm Crazy were tossed aside in the vault?!?!??

^ I agree about Prince's image and presentation, the lack of promotion - you can't be succesful without presentation and promotion, to me it looks like Prince cares about the process in making his music and doesn't care at all selling it. In a way I understand him, it may be hard in some way doing interviews over and over and music videos over and over, but not making any promotion at all, that ain't helping either.

skywalker said:

Hypothetical:

-

What if Prince had a hit song this year that was as "big" as "Blurred Lines" or "Uptown Funk"?

-

What would that add to his career, his success, popular opinion, etc?

-

Do you think Robin Thicke or Mark Ronson or Bruno Mars command as much respect, demand, or commerical clout as Prince currently?

-

Also, what about musicians like The Rolling Stones, U2, Springsteen, or even Madonna? What was the last LEGIT "hit" song that any of these groups had?

-

Has it hurt their ability to receive rave reviews, tour, make money, etc?

-

The way I see it, Prince is much better off now in his career than he was in 1994 (when he had one of his biggest hits ever).

-

What would be more benefical to Prince's career (than having a "hit") would be properly maintaining/releasing/making available his back catalog for new generations of fans that get hooked and want more. Mastering youtube would be a good start.

-

Bottom line: a "hit" song these days is not worth what it used to be. Sadly, a "hit" in 2015 is worth a lot less than a hit in 1985. Most hits nowadays are are tied to something trying to sell you some kind of product.

-

Prince is the last of a dying breed...but it's not his fault. Check it out:

-

Look at the musicians in popular music that debuted between the years 1958 to 1988. You could name countless legendary musicians/groups/etc that are undeniably THE all time greats. Off the top of your head, you could literally name 25.

-

In three years it will be 2018.

-

Will you be able to name 25 equally impactful/legendary/great musicians/groups/etc that debuted between 1988 to 2018? I think not.

-

The music business has seen it's heydey. Having a hit ain't really shit. The only true thing to do is take it to the stage. Sadly, most new acts feel that they have to whore themselves out on social media, etc to get noticed. I mean, Janelle Monae should be about 20X more famous than Miley Cyrus, but it's not gonna happen.

-

Rant over. Partyup.

^ alright, alright Prince is a legend I agree.

Now please can you define Succes then, what is succes these days in Prince's career?

STILL who can define Prince's career as a succes right now and in the future?

Prince is (legend of not in the past) flying under the radar right now to most people, is that being succesful?

Good sales figures?
Good reviews (with maybe minor sales)?
Making the fanbase happy (whatever that may be)?

Which goals should he "go for" to make his new music recognized..?

Hmm maybe my questions are too simple, it sure looks like Prince himself does not care about any succes.

ps I like asking questions here, I'm asking silly questions right.

Sometimes maybe I am asking questions impossible to answer.

Maybe just let Prince run his career on his own - like he has done for many years now.

A pity, he could be better as a business man for sure imho.

Again if you look at Michael Jackson he got a lot succes from very less: 4 brilliant albums in his career (imho) - and he was so succesful until he ran out of ideas - post HIStory. (and 4 albums, that isn't a lot).

Prince on the other hand is so prolific, and he has made around 38 albums in his career - and you know what I am gonna say now, right? A lot of them with no or maybe very little "succes"?

*sorry for even mention MJ, imo Prince is superior to him, in some way 38 albums -good and/or bad albums- that is somehow better than 4 absolutely brilliant albums.

PurpleSkipper58 said:

thedance said:

where will Prince be in the future then.... ??

In case you had a crystal ball: will he be succesful releasing his music from now on..?




and how would you define "succes" in case of Prince's studio music..?

if succes ain't Prince's sales figures.. whats the criteria for success, then...?

.

[Edited 6/20/15 15:23pm]

..making his fans happy

Doesnt seem like he is succeeding too well on that front.

This forum is quite quiet. Anyone here feel that this Prince thing is really at a low point?

.

It's like being a fan of some endangered species.

.

Do you think Prince's career will continue to skirt the line of obscurity? If anyone could achieve a late-career renaissance it should be Prince.

An artist of Prince's age and longstanding stature - I think it's less important that they have a hit because what will that be realistically, it will mean teaming up with whatever flavour of the month producer he can afford and then just put out some garbage soundalike EDM shit featuring said producer or some rapper or singer - I don't care for that shit at all, and although it was a total half-arsed attempt he kind of did it with Fall In Love Tonight which was so poorly conceived. He's still touring and selling out gigs and he hasn't had a hit single in 20 years, at this point I don't think the general public give a shit about his studio work, he doesn't need a hit single to perk their interest, they go see his shows and get what they want.

What I personally would like to see is studio music that is worthy of that legacy and talent and experience. It doesn't have to be #1 on iTunes chart for a week or have a shock-tactics video that gets 3 billion views on youtube, but it has to be fulfilling and interesting musically and lyrically - which more often than not Prince's music has not been in his 40s and 50s. I am not saying everything has been flavourless, but the bulk of it lacks 'umami' to my palate. There was some interesting moments on AOA but I'm after more than another batch of party jams or cookie-cutter ballads, save the Prince character for the live shows and show us some real meat, bones, heart and soul on record.

joyinrepetition said:

skywalker said:

Hypothetical:

-

What if Prince had a hit song this year that was as "big" as "Blurred Lines" or "Uptown Funk"?

-

What would that add to his career, his success, popular opinion, etc?

-

Do you think Robin Thicke or Mark Ronson or Bruno Mars command as much respect, demand, or commerical clout as Prince currently?

-

Also, what about musicians like The Rolling Stones, U2, Springsteen, or even Madonna? What was the last LEGIT "hit" song that any of these groups had?

-

Has it hurt their ability to receive rave reviews, tour, make money, etc?

-

The way I see it, Prince is much better off now in his career than he was in 1994 (when he had one of his biggest hits ever).

-

What would be more benefical to Prince's career (than having a "hit") would be properly maintaining/releasing/making available his back catalog for new generations of fans that get hooked and want more. Mastering youtube would be a good start.

-

Bottom line: a "hit" song these days is not worth what it used to be. Sadly, a "hit" in 2015 is worth a lot less than a hit in 1985. Most hits nowadays are are tied to something trying to sell you some kind of product.

-

Prince is the last of a dying breed...but it's not his fault. Check it out:

-

Look at the musicians in popular music that debuted between the years 1958 to 1988. You could name countless legendary musicians/groups/etc that are undeniably THE all time greats. Off the top of your head, you could literally name 25.

-

In three years it will be 2018.

-

Will you be able to name 25 equally impactful/legendary/great musicians/groups/etc that debuted between 1988 to 2018? I think not.

-

The music business has seen it's heydey. Having a hit ain't really shit. The only true thing to do is take it to the stage. Sadly, most new acts feel that they have to whore themselves out on social media, etc to get noticed. I mean, Janelle Monae should be about 20X more famous than Miley Cyrus, but it's not gonna happen.

-

Rant over. Partyup.

[Edited 6/20/15 12:34pm]

Spoken with the wisdom of a true Jedi!

The Jedi were wiped out because, much like Prince, they thought their shit didn't stink & they couldn't see beyond their own elaborate fantasy.

When U2, Springsteen & Madonna release a new album or song, it gets & sustains a massive amount of legitimate attention. When Prince does, it's middling at best & quickly evaporates.

Furthermore, those artists actually are, for the most part, interested in cooperating with the business end of the equation & seeing their projects through.

Springsteen has E-Street Radio on Sirius. I think it has a significantly greater reach than the NPG Music Club ever will. And it plays his work & the work of associated artists 24/7. Interested fans don't have to go looking very far for his music, whether they want new recordings, unreleased stuff, live cuts & rare tracks.

His last 4 albums all reached #1.

U2? While they don't always succeed, they at least always try to innovate & collaborate. Yeah, so a bunch of whiners were upset that they woke up one morning with a free U2 CD on their iPods. They pushed a couple buttons & it was gone. But fans of the band got a new album for free. New listeners maybe got turned on to some new music.

2 of their last 3 albums reached #1.

The Rolling Stones? Their last 2 studio albums hit #1. They are a machine & they work very well, like Paul McCartney, regularly releasing archival material to satisfy longtime fans & touring with a balance of spectacle & musicianship on display. They have a significant online presence & a web store where you can buy considerably more than a coffee mug.

Madonna? Something like 5 of her last 6 albums premiered at the top of the charts. While we all can hopefully understand chart success isn't a true mark of quality, it's absolutely a measure of acceptance.

And therefore, if Prince could manage a hit on the level of Blurred Lines or Uptown Funk this year, it would remind people (including many of his own fans) that he's still capable of writing songs that sound like his own material instead of his recent run of R&By the Numbers snorefests.

And maybe, just maybe...he could play his new hit & retire the goddamn sampler set?

thedance said:

thedance said:

Damn! So very long time since Prince was "hot" outside the fanbase.

Damn! So very long time since Prince had a hit single - or a hit album.

It could be / it seems like.. people don't care much about Prince music (his new)


Where will he be Prince, in few years time, will he be totally forgotten...?

Will he be moving slowly further into "the dark"...?


Ps I am talking about the "newly" released studio music that isn't promoted much these days.

*I know Prince is still making good & very succesful concerts, but this thread isn't about that.


Is Prince a music-dinosaur, already extinct many years ago....

Looking into a crystal Ball: will he be totally forgotten, soon....

Trolling + +

I think the main thing is he doesn´t follow the rules with releasing an album.

It´s something what Madonna does really well.

First single, video, album release, second single, video, tour etc.

In the 90´s he really blew it that way. Single release...album next year. Releasing under another name. Releasing albums under the name of the NPG. a 4 disc set with old songs and lame remixes.

The list goes on.

I don´t mind he does it this way, but i think it´s killing for your sales.

He followed the route with musicology, and see, the album sold.

Second to that, madonna has a great website and keeps it update.

Mr nelson makes a new website every year with as little info as possible and an adress he´s sure nobody can find...3rdeyegirl????

I'm bored of these kind of threads. They are so 2001.

Prince is nearing 60 years old. Hard to believe but it's true. He is really past his amazing prime. Just like Stevie Wonder, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, Madonna and other legends.

But he is an icon who released a blinding collection of music that is yet to be rivalled. Having said all that, he still is a singular artist that does his own thing. We should chill on whetehr he can ever "cut it".

[Edited 7/20/15 9:21am]

Milty2 said:

I'm bored of these kind of threads. They are so 2001.

Prince is nearing 60 years old. Hard to believe but it's true. He is really past his amazing prime. Just like Stevie Wonder, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, Madonna and other legends.

But he is an icon who released a blinding collection of music that is yet to be rivalled. Having said all that, he still is a singular artist that does his own thing. We should chill on whetehr he can ever "cut it".

Milty2 said:

I'm bored of these kind of threads. They are so 2001.

Prince is nearing 60 years old. Hard to believe but it's true. He is really past his amazing prime. Just like Stevie Wonder, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, Madonna and other legends.

But he is an icon who released a blinding collection of music that is yet to be rivalled. Having said all that, he still is a singular artist that does his own thing. We should chill on whetehr he can ever "cut it".

What's age got to do with it though? He doesn't lose his talent just because he's reached a certain age.

.

If Prince has something to say (inspiration) and all the right factors aligned (writing, production and proper promotion) you don't believe it's possible Prince could surprise you with another great masterpiece?

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If Prince were to suddenly become broke and found himself posting on craigslist offering to teach guitar lessons bet he would come up with some really great songs then.

I think the bottom-line is that he just isn't interested in distributing his music through normal, every day, 2015 means. Tidal to me just sounds like it's going to fail. If it means paying x amount of money a month to listen to a streaming site where maybe 10 or so artists are exclusively housing their work, they might as well just download the albums from itunes or import them directly from disc. Then listen to Spotify for other artists.

As much as people can complain about the moral issues with money getting to the artists when it comes to streaming, the masses are going to go for what is cheapest. Most every day people don't really know (or sadly care) about artists rights. They just want to listen to music.

And even more so, younger people don't know or care about this. So trying to get younger people interested in an artist that refuses to host his work on the mainstream music distributing format of the 2010's is futile .

Prince is gonna continue to release these one-off singles,with very little promotion and hype.He will also release albums occasionally,but again,with very little real promotion.I just don't think he cares about "structure" anymore He just wants the music to get out there.Kinda makes you miss the 80s and the first half of the 90s,huh? Back when everything was properly planned and organized.