CharismaDove said:

I wish he would do proper promotion

And AOA really sold only 170K worldwide?? It's sad because Lotus sold more than that in a single week... in US Target stores

I'm still excited for a new album, though. Hopefully he branches out and tries something different. But I have a feeling it'll be AOA II.

Yes it really sold 170k worldwide, it was off the top 40 in the 3rd week and plus a couple thousand more sales the estimated total would stand around 173-175k total.

Funny... If u look at Prince's twitter, he jsut posted some quotes from an article about streaming how it pays the artists even less... I hope he doesn't take his music off Spotifty cause if he does... Man i'm sorry it's over... All u OLD fans can listen to ur Purple Rain albums, he'll be totally out of the picture with new releases.

luvsexy4all said:

f*ck the "fans" who didnt buy AOA and PE.

I haven't bought anything that Prince released this century.

Oh yes, I did buy One Nite Alone... live, but then threw it out because it was such an utter disappointment.

feeluupp said:

Funny... If u look at Prince's twitter, he jsut posted some quotes from an article about streaming how it pays the artists even less... I hope he doesn't take his music off Spotifty cause if he does... Man i'm sorry it's over... All u OLD fans can listen to ur Purple Rain albums, he'll be totally out of the picture with new releases.

Can't somebody Twitter back: Don't you have enough money?

I understand that artists must and should get paid, but as I said before: past a certain financial point other considerations should come into play.

lwr001 said:

feeluupp said:

Lotusflow3r was actually a huge commercial success... Released in 2009 only available at Target and his now defunct website, it sold over 530,000 in the U.S. alone and certified GOLD. Just being sold at Target... However the years after that, with the influx of new streaming music services, social media and his lack of social media prescence especially on You Tube etc... I feel Prince has really really dug himself in a hole where he just has no impact in terms of selling any more records now.

what upside does he have career wise if he say has a top 10 song? Just curious in how his career would be better than it is now..And really, do you really want him to have a strong social netwoking presence with all the foolishness and bs

Well, if he had a hit record he would be able to include the new songs in concert. As it is, he will only play the hits and all his hits were made a long time ago. Would be nice to update the hits list with new hits

Pentacle said:

feeluupp said:

Funny... If u look at Prince's twitter, he jsut posted some quotes from an article about streaming how it pays the artists even less... I hope he doesn't take his music off Spotifty cause if he does... Man i'm sorry it's over... All u OLD fans can listen to ur Purple Rain albums, he'll be totally out of the picture with new releases.

Can't somebody Twitter back: Don't you have enough money?

feeluupp said:

Funny... If u look at Prince's twitter, he jsut posted some quotes from an article about streaming how it pays the artists even less... I hope he doesn't take his music off Spotifty cause if he does... Man i'm sorry it's over... All u OLD fans can listen to ur Purple Rain albums, he'll be totally out of the picture with new releases.

Can he even? I wonder whether his licencing deal with WB involves him being compulsarily oblliged to allow WB to put the material on Amazon and iTunes and on streaming services, there has to be some guarantee for WB to be able to still exploit the material.

RODSERLING said:

You really think that Prince never received advances from, let's say Sony, EMI, ARISTA, Universal and WARNER ?

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Exactly. And THAT is the problem: Prince vatsly overestimating his worth. Just like he walked out of the iTunes meeting because they didn't offer him millions.

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No sane label will want to invest a truckload of money without iron-clad guarantees dude is gonna promote the shit out of it. Oh, and they'll also want input on the contents.

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Prince doesn't grasp that WBR treated him exceptionally well over the years, nor does he understand how the msuic biz has changed.

databank said:

Prince so badly wanted to be an independent artist

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He doesn't want that. All that "masters" babble is just BS. Look at how he treats his post-WBR output.

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Whomever expected him to keep selling as many records as he used to without a major investing big money on promoting him was delusional, including Prince himself.

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Prince demands huge sums of money upfront for the right to release his latest brainfart. That alone is a big fucking hurdle. Also: why would any label invets time and money in an artist they don't have a relationship with? What if Prince does score a major hit? Do they get his next album? Maybe, maybe not. So why would they invest money unless it will be repayed in the short term.

databank said:

Well for one thing lots of people, even in the fanbase, don't buy the albums because they can get them for free

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This is BS. People aren't buying his shit because it's shit. They look at their CDs and realize there's a pile of dust on the stuff he's released in the past 20 years. They don't need more coasters.

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Also: Prince made it HARD to obtain his music. "Want 20Ten? Well, you better get on eBay and buy one of the overpriced copies there." And that's one of the easier ones.

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

Of course any label would accept to release a Prince album without paying advances...But the fact that prince struggled to find a deal with PLEC (for instance) is because he is aking for too much money. that's the reason why he can't find a deal.

No but this is Bart's fairy tales for chrissakes, it never happened!

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That UK tour at the start of 2014 was patently obvious him desperately trying to peddle that record to a label.

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Prince had a deal with Kobalt for PlecEl and he then took the album away from them to release it with WB

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Long after the Kobalt deal was in place. I'm sure Kobalt had rejected the album due to it being pretty crap and NOT BEING A PRINCE ALBUM.

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possibly because he threatened WB to release it with Kobalt anyway

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Impossible. I'm 100% sure the WBR deal is an exclusive one, with WBR having first right of refusal. At least for the first year of so.

RODSERLING said:

d WB paid him advances that a little label can't afford.

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I'm sure that didn't happen. WBR ain't gonna pay Prince to hand him his masters and release a POS record.

Aerogram said:

Prince doesn't seem worried one bit

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Yeah, that's why he invited local media repeatedly and bitched about WBR not releasing his next masterpiece soon enough.

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

You really think that Prince never received advances from, let's say Sony, EMI, ARISTA, Universal and WARNER ?

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Exactly. And THAT is the problem: Prince vatsly overestimating his worth. Just like he walked out of the iTunes meeting because they didn't offer him millions.

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No sane label will want to invest a truckload of money without iron-clad guarantees dude is gonna promote the shit out of it. Oh, and they'll also want input on the contents.

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Prince doesn't grasp that WBR treated him exceptionally well over the years, nor does he understand how the msuic biz has changed.

Why should Prince let them, a corporate entity, have that kind of input?

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

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He doesn't want that. All that "masters" babble is just BS. Look at how he treats his post-WBR output.

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Whomever expected him to keep selling as many records as he used to without a major investing big money on promoting him was delusional, including Prince himself.

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Prince demands huge sums of money upfront for the right to release his latest brainfart. That alone is a big fucking hurdle. Also: why would any label invets time and money in an artist they don't have a relationship with? What if Prince does score a major hit? Do they get his next album? Maybe, maybe not. So why would they invest money unless it will be repayed in the short term.

Exactly

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

Well for one thing lots of people, even in the fanbase, don't buy the albums because they can get them for free

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This is BS. People aren't buying his shit because it's shit. They look at their CDs and realize there's a pile of dust on the stuff he's released in the past 20 years. They don't need more coasters.

Oh please Bart, don't do that with ME. You and I know better that to BS each other. I don't intefere when u sell vacuum cleaners to others but don't do that to ME. I was saying lots of people don't buy music anymore, that's just a factual observation, don't reply something else that's got nothing to do with my statement.

databank said:

feeluupp said:

Funny... If u look at Prince's twitter, he jsut posted some quotes from an article about streaming how it pays the artists even less... I hope he doesn't take his music off Spotifty cause if he does... Man i'm sorry it's over... All u OLD fans can listen to ur Purple Rain albums, he'll be totally out of the picture with new releases.

Can he even? I wonder whether his licencing deal with WB involves him being compulsarily oblliged to allow WB to put the material on Amazon and iTunes and on streaming services, there has to be some guarantee for WB to be able to still exploit the material.

I have a feeling the only reason Prince signed with WB was to get his masters back, and the only reason WB signed with Prince was to release delux editions of his old material for a quick cash grab.

luvsexy4all said:

f*ck the "fans" who didnt buy AOA and PE.

I'm still a Prince fan even though I don't pay actual money for his turds

feeluupp said:

databank said:

Can he even? I wonder whether his licencing deal with WB involves him being compulsarily oblliged to allow WB to put the material on Amazon and iTunes and on streaming services, there has to be some guarantee for WB to be able to still exploit the material.

I have a feeling the only reason Prince signed with WB was to get his masters back, and the only reason WB signed with Prince was to release delux editions of his old material for a quick cash grab.

In fact both signed this deal to avoid a legal battle that prince would likely have won and WB lost, but that would have involved lots of lawyers costs and bad publicity for WB. Prince didn't get all he wanted from it (i.e. full control of the masters' distribution and ownership the Time/Sheila/6's masters) and now he's making WB pay for it, at least that's my guess but it's a no brainer.

WB certainly expected the remasters as a bonus but my take is as long a Prince can withold them, he will.

databank said:

feeluupp said:

I have a feeling the only reason Prince signed with WB was to get his masters back, and the only reason WB signed with Prince was to release delux editions of his old material for a quick cash grab.

In fact both signed this deal to avoid a legal battle that prince would likely have won and WB lost, but that would have involved lots of lawyers costs and bad publicity for WB. Prince didn't get all he wanted from it (i.e. full control of the masters' distribution and ownership the Time/Sheila/6's masters) and now he's making WB pay for it, at least that's my guess but it's a no brainer.

WB certainly expected the remasters as a bonus but my take is as long a Prince can withold them, he will.

So if WB allowed Prince to release AOA and Plectrum... What is WB getting in return if no remasters or PR Deluxe was released?

feeluupp said:

databank said:

In fact both signed this deal to avoid a legal battle that prince would likely have won and WB lost, but that would have involved lots of lawyers costs and bad publicity for WB. Prince didn't get all he wanted from it (i.e. full control of the masters' distribution and ownership the Time/Sheila/6's masters) and now he's making WB pay for it, at least that's my guess but it's a no brainer.

WB certainly expected the remasters as a bonus but my take is as long a Prince can withold them, he will.

So if WB allowed Prince to release AOA and Plectrum... What is WB getting in return if no remasters or PR Deluxe was released?

Common sense would suggest that their was some compulsory clause regarding providing remasters and bonus material but IDK, either Prince is delaying the thing to the limit of what the contract allows to piss Wb, or he's in a position never to deliver and he won't. Only time will tell.

databank said:

feeluupp said:

So if WB allowed Prince to release AOA and Plectrum... What is WB getting in return if no remasters or PR Deluxe was released?

Common sense would suggest that their was some compulsory clause regarding providing remasters and bonus material but IDK, either Prince is delaying the thing to the limit of what the contract allows to piss Wb, or he's in a position never to deliver and he won't. Only time will tell.

Time will tell... I have a feeling Free Urself will be an independent NPG release and we won't get another major release from Prince on WB until he releases the PR Deluxe and other masters as promised...

GoldiesParade said:

feeluupp said:

Lotusflow3r was actually a huge commercial success... Released in 2009 only available at Target and his now defunct website, it sold over 530,000 in the U.S. alone and certified GOLD. Just being sold at Target... However the years after that, with the influx of new streaming music services, social media and his lack of social media prescence especially on You Tube etc... I feel Prince has really really dug himself in a hole where he just has no impact in terms of selling any more records now.

Are you sure Lotusflow3r certified GOLD? Accoring to https://www.riaa.com/search.php his last certified album was 3121.

I think when it's a triple album, ever sale counts as three. I may be wrong.

whenever he wants money ...he could get it from us ...just..like..that

luvsexy4all said:

whenever he wants money ...he could get it from us ...just..like..that

Prince doesn't want our money, because he hates us; he wants the money of big corporations.
Even though he hates them. Hm.

feeluupp said:

Funny... If u look at Prince's twitter, he jsut posted some quotes from an article about streaming how it pays the artists even less... I hope he doesn't take his music off Spotifty cause if he does... Man i'm sorry it's over... All u OLD fans can listen to ur Purple Rain albums, he'll be totally out of the picture with new releases.

Prince has been "over" as far as new releases go for about 20 years. Even the albums that sold moderately well only did so because there was a clever promotional twist... none of the singles charted, nobody was actually buying the music. Prince just found a new way to inflate his sales.

Everytime he "teases" a new album it's because he has no record company wants it. It takes less than an hour to "release" an album - like he did with Judith Hill. He needs a "buzz" before he can demand WB release his latest demo tape with the same fanfare as artists selling 20 times what Prince does.

On top of that he has spent 20 years suing his own fans. Again TWENTY YEARS. A war on that scale against your own fanbase will dramatically decrease the number of records you sell.

feeluupp said:

databank said:

Common sense would suggest that their was some compulsory clause regarding providing remasters and bonus material but IDK, either Prince is delaying the thing to the limit of what the contract allows to piss Wb, or he's in a position never to deliver and he won't. Only time will tell.

Time will tell... I have a feeling Free Urself will be an independent NPG release and we won't get another major release from Prince on WB until he releases the PR Deluxe and other masters as promised...

I agree. It's odd because Prince promotes his independently released projects more than he does the albums he releases on major labels. Maybe because he still believes that he only makes the music and it's the label's job to sell it. He's better off releasing his music independently because his singles when released on a major label don't chart highly if they chart at all and he is hellbent on making sure no entity or persons benefit more from his creations he spent his life writing, performing and recording.

Noodled24 said:

feeluupp said:

Funny... If u look at Prince's twitter, he jsut posted some quotes from an article about streaming how it pays the artists even less... I hope he doesn't take his music off Spotifty cause if he does... Man i'm sorry it's over... All u OLD fans can listen to ur Purple Rain albums, he'll be totally out of the picture with new releases.

On top of that he has spent 20 years suing his own fans. Again TWENTY YEARS. A war on that scale against your own fanbase will dramatically decrease the number of records you sell.

This is pretty true. Most people don't have the time or inclination or jump through the hoops that Prince sets up and play his silly games simply for the priviledge of purchasing his art. It can get tiresome. Last minute shows, wonky websites, unfulfilled promises, tired remixes, hassling his own fan base and repeatedly fucking them around.

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I get that he has a big ego and that it's part of his success but a lot of people with jobs, kids and normal everyday responsibilities don't have time for this shit.

databank said:

feeluupp said:

So if WB allowed Prince to release AOA and Plectrum... What is WB getting in return if no remasters or PR Deluxe was released?

Common sense would suggest that their was some compulsory clause regarding providing remasters and bonus material but IDK, either Prince is delaying the thing to the limit of what the contract allows to piss Wb, or he's in a position never to deliver and he won't. Only time will tell.

Even without expanded remasters, the deal lets them continue distribution for the originals, right? So they get that, which if he had gotten the masters after going to court, they wouldn't have.

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At least if I understand the way these copyright returns right.