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Adorecream

Peach and Black Podcast - The Marks

Here is the list of all the marks I could get out of the great podcasts they have put out over the years.

Remember these are just marks, and it is very wise to hear the whole podcast.

Peach and Black guys, you can tell meor correct any of the marks are wrong. I will post the list and then add notes in another post.

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Peach and Black Marks
Studio MC Toejam Playa Captain Avg Year of Podcast
For You none 5.00 5.00 5.00 5.00 2013
Prince none 7.50 7.25 7.50 7.40 2013
Dirty Mind none none none none none 2014 Forgot to rate it, liked it
Controversy 8.00 8.00 9.00 8.50 8.38 2011
1999, none 10.00 9.75 8.60 9.45 2015
Purple Rain none 9.00 9.80 9.00 9.27 2015
Around the World in a day 9.50 8.50 9.00 9.50 9.13 2010
Parade 8.50 8.50 9.00 8.50 8.63 2011
Sign o the Times 10.00 9.00 9.50 10.00 9.63 2012
Lovesexy none 10.00 10.00 9.70 9.90 2013
Batman 4.50 8.00 8.00 7.50 7.00 2009
Graffiti Bridge none 7.75 7.25 7.00 7.33 2013
Diamonds and Pearls none 7.00 6.00 8.10 7.03 2013
Love Symbol none 8.00 7.25 9.30 8.18 2013
Come 8.00 7.50 8.00 8.00 7.88 2012
Black Album (Official Release) none 8.00 7.00 8.00 7.67 2014
The Gold Experience 9.50 9.00 9.50 9.20 9.30 2011
Chaos and Disorder 6.50 6.50 6.00 6.00 6.25 2012
Emancipation 3CD 8.00 8.00 8.50 7.50 8.00 2011
Crystal Ball 3CD none none none 6.50 6.50 2014
New Power Soul 3.50 6.50 5.00 5.50 5.13 2011
Rave un2 the Joy Fantastic 5.50 8.00 6.00 6.50 6.50 2011
The Rainbow Children 6.50 9.50 10.00 8.50 8.63 2010 2 parts dec 09/jan 10
Slaughterhouse 3.00 4.00 6.00 5.50 4.63 2010
Chocolate Invasion 5.00 6.00 6.00 6.00 5.75 2010 Prince discography score
One Nite Alone and ONA Piano none none none none none 2009 not rated
Musicology 7.00 7.00 7.00 7.00 7.00 2009
3121 Album 7.00 8.00 none none 7.50 2009 Like it, but don't rate it
Planet Earth 7.00 8.00 7.00 6.00 7.00 2009
MPLSOUND 8.00 7.50 8.50 7.50 7.88 2009
Lotusflow3r 9.50 9.50 9.00 8.80 9.20 2009
20Ten 7.00 7.50 8.00 8.00 7.63 2010
Plectrum Electrum none 7.80 7.25 6.50 7.18 2014
Art Official Age none 8.50 8.75 4.00 7.08 2014
The Time 5.00 6.50 6.50 6.50 6.13 2012
What time is it 7.50 7.50 7.50 7.50 7.50 2012
Exodus none 6.50 7.50 7.50 7.17 2015 Playa said 7 or 8.
The Truth none 8.00 8.00 7.00 7.67 2013
Indigo nights 7.50 7.50 6.00 7.50 7.13 2009
The Vault, Old friends for sale 7.00 6.00 6.75 6.50 6.56 2011 Playa said 6½ or 7
Averages 7.02 7.70 7.68 7.45 7.50

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Reply #1 posted 05/31/15 9:14pm

Adorecream

Notes

1. Marks are listed largely in order of albums being released, rather than Podcast being broadcast-ed.

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2. Various times split marks have been given like "I give it 7 or 7½", unless they have confirmed the mark afterwards like "I give this album 7½" I have average these marks, so such a mark is 7¼.

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3. Captain loves to give marks that are 0.1 of a mark (So do I)

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4. Some albums are affected by extreme marks, such as Art Official Age which got marked very low by Captain (4/10) but very high by Toejam and Playa, and MC also spoke highly of it. Same for Batman which was marked high by all but MC and the Marks MC gave for bad albums

Newpowersoul and the Slaughterhouse are lower than the others significantly.

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5. MC acknowledged he had not really heard Exodus before the podcast.

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6. MC retired from marking in early 2013, so it is only 3 marks from then on.

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7. For You was marked low, but with the proviso, only based on the music that came after it, as a stand alone album it would have got more likely a 7. Compared to Prince's later output, this album is very lightweight. The marks for Prince, were more average and represented a great improvement from For You, but still a long way off the next 8 albums.

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8. Dirty Mind was spoke of quite highly by all Peach and Blackers, but not rated. I would have guessed they probably would have given it marks around the 8 to 9½ level.

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9. All the albums from Controversy to Lovesexy have attracted very high marks, all 8 or more. (Except Black Album)

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10. Most 1989 to 1997 and 2004 to 2014 albums scored average marks of between 7 and 7.50, indicating Prince's ability to play it safe and offer competent and solid rather than innovative albums.

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11. Love Symbol and Gold Experience stand out as better 90s albums, especially Gold Experience which pretty much compares with the 80s classics

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12. The 1997 - 2003 period stands out for the amount of mediocre and sub par albums, most albums averaging a low 6 or less and many solo marks of 5 or less. Only the Rainbow children survives this murk and MC marked it low (Thanks MC not my favourite either!)

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13. Crystal Ball was only rated by Captain, no one else gave it a score. Indications are that scores around 7 were likely.

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14. 3121 was only ranked by Toejam who gave it 4 stars out of 5 and MC who gave it a 7, I converted it to 8 out of 10. However this was a very early Podcast.

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15. Slaughterhouse was the lowest ranked album, with an average score of less than 5, however of officially released albums - Newpowersoul came in dead last (I don't really count For You, as it was earlier and the others were after much better work had come out).

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16. 3121, Lotusflow3r and Art Official Age standout as the best of recent times.

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17. Lovesexy got the highest overall mark, a nearly perfect 9.90/10, followed by SOTT, 1999, The Gold Experience, Purple Rain, Lotusflow3r, ATWIAD all taking out the 9or more out of 10 list.

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18. Albums not rated include Kamasutra, C note, news, One nite alone, although discussed, Proteges, Vanity6 and Apollonia 6, The last 3 Time albums, 3 first Sheila E albums and Jill Jones if u guys are interested, also Goldnigga.

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19. One nite alone was discussed, but the albums were not rated, B sides, hose favourites, but again the album not scored.

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20. Guys please feel free to do any corrections and that includes names, is it Playa or Player? And also if you want it taken down.

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21. Sentimental marks were identified by Captain who mentioned fondness for Diamonds and Pearls and Symbol, MC for TGE, Toejam for Rave. Mainly as those were the new albums when they became fans.

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22. First Podcast about Planet Earth and/or Indigo nights were January 2009, last Podcast of Purple Rain was April 2015, although they alluded, parts had been recorded earlier on.

[Edited 5/31/15 21:21pm]

[Edited 5/31/15 22:14pm]

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Reply #2 posted 05/31/15 9:33pm

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Average scores of the albums ranked best to worst.

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Lovesexy 9.90/10
Sign o the Times 9.63
1999, 9.45
The Gold Experience 9.30
Purple Rain 9.27
Lotusflow3r 9.20
Around the World in a day 9.13
Parade 8.63
The Rainbow Children 8.63
Controversy 8.38
Love Symbol 8.18
Emancipation 3CD 8.00
Come 7.88
MPLSOUND 7.88
Black Album (Official Release) 7.67
The Truth 7.67
20Ten 7.63
3121 7.50
What time is it 7.50
Prince 7.40
Graffiti Bridge 7.33
Plectrum Electrum 7.18
Exodus 7.17
Indigo nights 7.13
Art Official Age 7.08
Diamonds and Pearls 7.03
Batman 7.00
Musicology 7.00
Planet Earth 7.00
The Vault, Old friends for sale 6.56
Crystal Ball 3CD 6.50
Rave un2 the Joy Fantastic 6.50
Chaos and Disorder 6.25
The Time 6.13
Chocolate Invasion 5.75
New Power Soul 5.13
For You 5.00

Slaughterhouse 4.63

One Nite Alone era UNRATED

Dirty Mind Unrated.

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Reply #3 posted 05/31/15 9:41pm

CharismaDove

How in the world did Batman score lower than Come, 3121, Lotusflower, and Plectrum Electrum? no no no!

I do love the Peach and Black podcasts, though. smile

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Reply #4 posted 05/31/15 9:47pm

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Individual scores

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MC

Average score given out of 10 - 7.02

Scores given - 27

Highest scores - SOTT 10/10, TGE, Lotus, ATWIAD all 9.50

Lowest Scores - Slaughterhouse 3/10, NPS 3.50

Rank for most to least generous out of 4 - 4th least generous marker.

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Toejam

Average score - 7.70

Scores Given - 37

Highest scores - 1999 and Lovesexy 10/10, Lotus, TRC - 9.50

Lowest scores - Slaughterhouse 4/10, Foryou - 5/10, The vault and Chocolaye invasion 6/10

Rank for generosity - 1st, most generous

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Playa

Average Score - 7.68

Scores given - 36

Highest scores - Lovesexy and TRC 10/10, Purple Rain 9.8, 1999 9.75

Lowest Scores - NewPower Soul and 4U 5/10, 6 Albums got 6/10

Rank for generosity - 2nd (Very close 2nd)

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Captain

Average Score - 7.45

Scores given - 37

Highest Scores - SOTT 10/10, Lovesexy 9.7, ATWAID 9.5, Lovesymbol 9.3

Lowest Score - Art Official Age 4/10, For You 5/10, Newpower soul and Slaughterhouse 5.5

Rank for generosity - 3rd

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Thats all the stats, all I can say is LISTEN TO THE PODCASTS, these guys have reviewed everything that is worth reviewing.

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LISTEN TO THE PEACH AND BLACK PODCAST, FOR NEWS VIEWS AND REVIEWS ON ALL THINGS HAPPENING IN THE PRINCE WORLD.

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Reply #5 posted 05/31/15 9:49pm

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CharismaDove said:

How in the world did Batman score lower than Come, 3121, Lotusflower, and Plectrum Electrum? no no no!

I do love the Peach and Black podcasts, though. smile

MC marked it down, and deservedly so, this album does have some bad filler like Lemon Crush and Arms of Orion, compared to the previous 8 albums, it is fluff.

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Reply #6 posted 05/31/15 9:52pm

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Adorecream said:

CharismaDove said:

How in the world did Batman score lower than Come, 3121, Lotusflower, and Plectrum Electrum? no no no!

I do love the Peach and Black podcasts, though. smile

MC marked it down, and deservedly so, this album does have some bad filler like Lemon Crush and Arms of Orion, compared to the previous 8 albums, it is fluff.


Well we won't agree about Batman's quality (until the end of time, people will believe it's inferior to Lovesexy, which is still a valid opinion), but even with "filler" such as Lemon Crush and Orion, I'm surprised it's been marked lower than Plectrum Electrum (which is pleasant but boring and widely shunned by the org as far as I can see) and MPL Sound (one of the worst records he's put out, EVER). Oh well. To each his own. biggrin

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Reply #7 posted 05/31/15 10:12pm

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CharismaDove said:

Adorecream said:

MC marked it down, and deservedly so, this album does have some bad filler like Lemon Crush and Arms of Orion, compared to the previous 8 albums, it is fluff.


Well we won't agree about Batman's quality (until the end of time, people will believe it's inferior to Lovesexy, which is still a valid opinion), but even with "filler" such as Lemon Crush and Orion, I'm surprised it's been marked lower than Plectrum Electrum (which is pleasant but boring and widely shunned by the org as far as I can see) and MPL Sound (one of the worst records he's put out, EVER). Oh well. To each his own. biggrin

You know I am not actually in the Peach and Black Podcast, I am just a devoted fan of them who lives in New Zealand.

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What I am hoping is one or more of the guys will respond and comment on this thread though biggrin

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Reply #8 posted 05/31/15 10:30pm

CharismaDove

Adorecream said:

CharismaDove said:


Well we won't agree about Batman's quality (until the end of time, people will believe it's inferior to Lovesexy, which is still a valid opinion), but even with "filler" such as Lemon Crush and Orion, I'm surprised it's been marked lower than Plectrum Electrum (which is pleasant but boring and widely shunned by the org as far as I can see) and MPL Sound (one of the worst records he's put out, EVER). Oh well. To each his own. biggrin

You know I am not actually in the Peach and Black Podcast, I am just a devoted fan of them who lives in New Zealand.

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What I am hoping is one or more of the guys will respond and comment on this thread though biggrin


Yeah, sorry if it seemed I was targeting you smile

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Reply #9 posted 06/01/15 8:38am

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Thanks for doing all this work.

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Reply #10 posted 06/01/15 6:09pm

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All I can day is holy crap Tane..

That is a hell of a lot of work you did there
I'm just at work on my phone but I'll have a good read of this tonight when I get home...

Great job..

In defense of any too low or too high ratings, all i can say is, for me anyway..
You really can't compare them to each other..

For example i would give a lower score to lotus flower today for sure.. But when it came out it was like the best album he'd put out in years so it rated highly..

The scores while meant to be an overall rating of the album, they are equally a rating of what we thought of that album on that particular day and as we all know that changes week to week, day to day...
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Reply #11 posted 06/01/15 6:12pm

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Plus not to mention the ratings are not to be taken as a serious thing

That is obvious by the fact that sometimes we forget, sometimes we just don't feel like it because really it's just not that important overall... And mc only did it for the first few years and gave up..
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Reply #12 posted 06/01/15 7:26pm

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Cool idea Adorecream. Thanks for putting together!
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Reply #13 posted 06/01/15 7:40pm

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FunkyStrange said:

All I can day is holy crap Tane.. That is a hell of a lot of work you did there I'm just at work on my phone but I'll have a good read of this tonight when I get home... Great job.. In defense of any too low or too high ratings, all i can say is, for me anyway.. You really can't compare them to each other.. For example i would give a lower score to lotus flower today for sure.. But when it came out it was like the best album he'd put out in years so it rated highly.. The scores while meant to be an overall rating of the album, they are equally a rating of what we thought of that album on that particular day and as we all know that changes week to week, day to day...

Thanks for the praise and endorsing. Yes and holy artichoke!

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I know what you mean, when an album first comes out you think it is the greatest thing ever like Lotusflow3r and AOA and then a year later, you are like "What did you see in that album, that is so great".

I understand what you mean about the marks being fun, I am stressing that people need to listen to the podcasts, and of course now if you want to reflect you can change those marks. Mainly as I know Lotusflow3r is more okay than great and Captain must be regretting placing NewPower Soul and the slaughterhouse above that wonderful Art Official age album from last year.

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To me Art Official Age is the best since Gold Experience and it is greater than many think. Glad the rest of you liked it though. But why he did he have to put the affirmations on it?

[Edited 6/1/15 19:41pm]

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Reply #14 posted 06/01/15 11:28pm

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Thanks for your work! I enjoyed looking through these stats. Brings back some memories. I'd forgotten what I'd given most of these albums.

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Reply #15 posted 06/01/15 11:36pm

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Adorecream said:

Captain must be regretting placing NewPower Soul and the slaughterhouse above that wonderful Art Official age album from last year.

Not really.. I still don't like AOA much at all and have barely listened to it since we reviewed it...

Still way too many mid tempo yawnfests for my liking..

As average as NPS is, at least they're upbeat tracks for the most part...

And I would still say Slaughterhouse and Chocolate Invasion are better than AOA.. in my opinion of course..

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Reply #16 posted 06/02/15 5:29am

Adorecream

So Funkystrange, you are Captain, oh artichoke. You explain yourself well, but you need to give AOA a chance, please go home, lie down and listen to "This could be us" on the biggest pair of sound cancelling headphones you can find and you will be transported.

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Meanwhile it was a labour of love. I missed out on a good job by one person pipping me to the post and needed something to do to assuage my anger.

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Reply #17 posted 06/04/15 4:04pm

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Adorecream said:

So Funkystrange, you are Captain, oh artichoke. You explain yourself well, but you need to give AOA a chance, please go home, lie down and listen to "This could be us" on the biggest pair of sound cancelling headphones you can find and you will be transported.

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Meanwhile it was a labour of love. I missed out on a good job by one person pipping me to the post and needed something to do to assuage my anger.

Yep this is me.

I will listen to AOA again one day.. but not this week.

and Good luck on getting the next job !

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