RJOrion said:

race is NEVER moot...it affects peoples perceptions of different mediums, all over the globe...executive and legislative decisions are made, people are hired, fired, prosecuted and persecuted based on racism everyday...that said, i admire and respect your desire to make it a moot point,if only at this site... [Edited 4/1/15 9:35am]

We were talking about these 2 Prince albums not race relations right?

I said as far as the org members 'race is moot', because we have had Parade discussions that had a strong mix of black white other members

But I've experienced here the same for Lovesexy

and even further a large number of Org members seem to ADORE the 1978-1989 period as a Classic of Prince albums.

.

I wasn't talking about race in general.

thedance said:

I have already voted for both,

equally Parade & Lovesexy...


But, I am very happy to see those positive comments here, about Lovesexy....

It hurts sometimes - often - to see (mostly) americans trashing this fine masterpiece...



Good to see that others are appreciating Lovesexy like I do, it "warms my Prince-heart" haha...

Let's do a thread on that. This is all new stuff for me as far as Americans trashing Lovesexy and blacks prefering Lovesexy and whites prefering Parade

I'm American and I'm in love with 1976-1989 Prince music

SoulAlive said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I'd have to agree with Prince that Parade was put out before he had good enough songs in the bag.

Prince said he was only particularly proud of Girls and Boys and Kiss (maybe he is more fond of the non W&L tracks),

I remember that quote.He said "Parade was a disaster.Apart from "Kiss",there's nothing on it that I'm particularly proud of.I recorded it too soon after 'Around The World In A Day' and I just didn't have enough great songs ready.I'm not gonna make that mistake again".

I think he's a little harsh,but he does have a point.The album was hastily recorded.I think if he had taken his time,the album would have been much stronger and focused.

It's possibly the strongest and most focused album of Prince's career, with some of the very best songs of his career. I wish Prince would make that mistake again, and again.

OldFriends4Sale said:

KingSausage said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Just a general count. For the people who said both I added 1 for each

34 for Parade altogether

19 for Lovesexy altogether

7 for both

.

Parade

1 funkaholic1972

2 warning2all

3 Blixical

4 KingSausage

5 thisisreece

6 OldFriends4Sale

7 wouldntulove2loveme

8 Doozer

9 blackbob

10 mrlegrind

11 feeluup

12 purplepolitician

13 EddieC

14 EroticDreamer

15 Phillipq

16 LiveToTell86

17 2Freaky4Church1

18 Issues04

19 rusty1

20 iZsaZsa
21 TonyVanDam

22 peege43

23 MendesCity

24 Empress

25 PopLife88

26 joshmosh

27 rainbowchild

.

Parade & Lovesexy

1 NorthC

2 theDance

3 funkomatic

4 mynameisnotsusan

5 3rdeyedude

6 Wolfie87

7 Sexton

.

Lovesexy

1 pauludvig

2 Mrvmn

3 terriq

4 RJOrion

5 SoulAlive

6 Philly76

7 nosajd

8 HardcoreJollies

9 nextedition

10 SquirrelMeat

11 LittleBear
12 LikeAHornyPonyWould69

I didn't count the OP zennabell

looks like they like both though

Trax does not like either lol

You forgot to put my name in 20 pt font. My vote is worth like ten other people's votes.

lol what's that? 20 pt font? Your #4 KING

sorry I'm slow

RJOrion said:

Comments on this mark. Prince plays one of the illest, funkiest, monumentally greatest guitar style (don't know what the style is called) the 80's has ever heard. It's from "I Wonder U" And it's only like 20 seconds. It's not that any artist can't play the same chords. But the arrangement is so perfectly put together. You know what I'm talking about in the verse below?

I, dream of you
For all time
(Click, click, click)

For all time

(Click...click,click,click)

And so on....

[Edited 4/1/15 14:34pm]

RJOrion said:

its cool...i wasnt trying to start any conflict...just making an observation based on conversations ive had...

It would be interesting I guess to know people's race in how they like a Prince album

as long as we can include other nationalities and ethnicities

Someone of African or Black heritage form England might have a different thought vs someone from America

jaawwnn said:

RJOrion said:

its cool...i wasnt trying to start any conflict...just making an observation based on conversations ive had...

I think it's a fair point. Look at it rather as people coming from an r'n'b background vs. those from a pop/rock background. Neither albums fit neatly into either of those categories but I see why a person would lean towards one or the other based on their listening habits. My vote is for Parade btw.

A lot of 'african-americans' might like Lovesexy because it gives them more rock guitar and Parade doesn't.

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I mean someone here said more Americans did not like Lovesexy (like Europeans did?)

.

Overall I think most Prince fans are eclectic in their music tastes,

Parade, without a doubt. My second favorite Prince "era", second only to SOTT. Now...if I could just get a remastered copy of the album....

RJOrion said:

yeah, those rhythm guitar licks on "i wonder U" are truly coldblooded...Of all of Prince's talents, i feel like his greasey funky rhythm guitar fills and turns get criminally underrated...he is on the short list of greatest rhythm guitarists ever.. Jimmy Nolen & Catfish Collins (james brown) Al McKay (earth wind & fire) Nile Rogers (Chic) Emmanuel Raheem Leblanc (GQ) Prince Nelson [Edited 4/1/15 15:18pm]

Good list and I totally agree!

OldFriends4Sale said:

jaawwnn said:

RJOrion said: I think it's a fair point. Look at it rather as people coming from an r'n'b background vs. those from a pop/rock background. Neither albums fit neatly into either of those categories but I see why a person would lean towards one or the other based on their listening habits. My vote is for Parade btw.

A lot of 'african-americans' might like Lovesexy because it gives them more rock guitar and Parade doesn't.

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I mean someone here said more Americans did not like Lovesexy (like Europeans did?)

Well at the time it was more acclaimed in Europe right? It won NME's album of the year and stuff. I think there might be broad cultural responses to the album that are worth looking into without trying to make definitive statements. I see a pattern myself but i'm not saying it's clearcut or i'm definitely correct. It's testament to prince's broad appeal that these conversations can even happen.

Overall I think most Prince fans are eclectic in their music tastes,

No doubt!

[Edited 4/2/15 3:35am]

iZsaZsa said:

SoulAlive said:

I remember that quote.He said "Parade was a disaster.Apart from "Kiss",there's nothing on it that I'm particularly proud of.I recorded it too soon after 'Around The World In A Day' and I just didn't have enough great songs ready.I'm not gonna make that mistake again".

I think he's a little harsh,but he does have a point.The album was hastily recorded.I think if he had taken his time,the album would have been much stronger and focused.

What? These songs fit the movie. Is he saying he would have written better songs for the movie? O a better movie from the songs?

I think he was just unsatisfied with the album as a whole.With so much going on in 1985,he probably felt that he didn't have enough time to focus on the music.Maybe that's why the first four songs sound demo-ish?

SoulAlive said:

IMHO, Parade is the most overrated Prince album ever. Don't get me wrong, there are very good songs on it (Kiss, Anotherloverholenyohead, Girls&Boys, Sometimes It Snows in April), but the rest to me sounds very standard or sub-par. Venus de Milo is nice, Mountains is OK (I prefer the extended) but the rest? Christopher Tracy's Parade, New Position, I Wonder U, Under the Cherry Moon to me are very average, and I really don't like Life Can Be so Nice and Do U Lie, I really see nothing special about them and always wondered what people found in them.

So to make it short, Lovesex is my jam

zennabell said:

Haven't listened to Prince for a while and dug out these two to play in the car.

They where never my favourites when they first came out. I guess the black and white film put me off the Parade and Lovesexy just wasn't as instant as SOTT.

I cant believe how good they both sound now!

Parade

Kiss was the big but Christopher Tracy's Parade, New Position, Girls & boys e.tc all sound fresh. Sometimes It Snows in April is haunting!

Mountains is probably most on repeat. Great album so different from Purple Rain and ATWIAD.

Lovesexy

Eye no is a great opening track. Alphabet St. is a killer but I could do without Cats rapping! My favourites are the last 3 songs When 2 R in Love, I wish u Heaven and Positivity.

Sheila E drumming is great. Princes Guitar playing is awesome. The fact the CD plays as a single track used to a annoy me but fair play the album should be listened to as a whole.

Which do you prefer? and what are your thoughts? Thanks

"Parade" is brilliant...genius....100xs better than the film could ever be. Lovesexy I purchased and after awhile almost sold as a used record. It is the only joint from Prince's "golden era" that I don't like. Just couldn't get into it.....would have preferred the "Black" album any day of the week.

mrgone777 said:

zennabell said:

Haven't listened to Prince for a while and dug out these two to play in the car.

They where never my favourites when they first came out. I guess the black and white film put me off the Parade and Lovesexy just wasn't as instant as SOTT.

I cant believe how good they both sound now!

Parade

Kiss was the big but Christopher Tracy's Parade, New Position, Girls & boys e.tc all sound fresh. Sometimes It Snows in April is haunting!

Mountains is probably most on repeat. Great album so different from Purple Rain and ATWIAD.

Lovesexy

Eye no is a great opening track. Alphabet St. is a killer but I could do without Cats rapping! My favourites are the last 3 songs When 2 R in Love, I wish u Heaven and Positivity.

Sheila E drumming is great. Princes Guitar playing is awesome. The fact the CD plays as a single track used to a annoy me but fair play the album should be listened to as a whole.

Which do you prefer? and what are your thoughts? Thanks

"Parade" is brilliant...genius....100xs better than the film could ever be. Lovesexy I purchased and after awhile almost sold as a used record. It is the only joint from Prince's "golden era" that I don't like. Just couldn't get into it.....would have preferred the "Black" album any day of the week.

Exactly my sentiment, the black album is much more interesting and fun to me than Lovesexy!

RJOrion said:

funkaholic1972 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

sexton said:

I've come to appreciate Lovesexy more in recent years, but Parade is my favorite album of all time by anyone.

Regarding Prince's comments about Parade, I thought I read that it was the only time when he gave songs to Wendy & Lisa to finish for him and perhaps that's why he considered it a disappointment--the fact that it wasn't totally his product.

So many songs before and after that he did the same:Strange Relationships, Old Friends 4 Sale some Purple Rain era stuff, and Dream Factory/SOTT stuff

My mistake, that was fan speculation in reference to Prince breaking up the Revolution posted in this thread: http://prince.org/msg/7/356396 (specifically reply #61)

As big a Prince fan as I am, I have always found "Parade" to be a little... dull. I mean, musically and compositionally there's a lot going on, but it never hooked me. "Mountains" is cool, "New Position" is pretty funky... but as an album, it never really grabbed me. It's the one from his "classic period" I would rate the lowest.

"Lovesexy", on the other hand, is an amazing achievement, considering how quickly he recorded it and how cohesive it it. "Alphabet St." is one of the coolest rhythmically unique tracks he's ever recorded, "Eye No" is bouncy and ebullient, "Lovesexy" rocks along, "Anna Stesia" raises the hairs on the back of my neck... It's a great album. I do recognize that it's the end of the "classic period", and you can hear how his insular production environment led to the "plasticizing" of his sound as heard on "Batman" and "Graffiti Bridge", but "Lovesexy" is his final masterpiece.

GiggityGoo said:

"Lovesexy" is his final masterpiece.

Put me down for Lovesexy as well.

I'd put Parade right behind it at #2!

SquirrelMeat said:

funkaholic1972 said:

Exactly my sentiment, the black album is much more interesting and fun to me than Lovesexy!

My preference was always that Prince, after his December 1st 1987 enlightenment, should not have canned The Black Album, but turned Lovesexy into a double album. A gatefold sleeve, one half in black, the second half in light. Both seperate albums to show the journey. Ironically, the Lovesexy tour sort of played that journey out. The record should have matched.

Yeah, that would have been the best way to release these two albums. A battle of good against evil, each listener could pick a side, or enjoy both (as Prince once sang: "I got two sides and they're both friends").

Just a general count. For the people who said both I added 1 for each

38 for Parade altogether

23 for Lovesexy altogether

7 for both

.

Parade

1 funkaholic1972

2 warning2all

3 Blixical

4 KingSausage

5 thisisreece

6 OldFriends4Sale

7 wouldntulove2loveme

8 Doozer

9 blackbob

10 mrlegrind

11 feeluup

12 purplepolitician

13 EddieC

14 EroticDreamer

15 Phillipq

16 LiveToTell86

17 2Freaky4Church1

18 Issues04

19 rusty1

20 iZsaZsa
21 TonyVanDam

22 peege43

23 MendesCity

24 Empress

25 PopLife88

26 joshmosh

27 rainbowchild

28 MrGone777

29 UncleJam

30 daingermouz2020

31 13stretch

.

Parade & Lovesexy

1 NorthC

2 theDance

3 funkomatic

4 mynameisnotsusan

5 3rdeyedude

6 Wolfie87

7 Sexton

.

Lovesexy

1 pauludvig

2 Mrvmn

3 terriq

4 RJOrion

5 SoulAlive

6 Philly76

7 nosajd

8 HardcoreJollies

9 nextedition

10 SquirrelMeat

11 LittleBear
12 LikeAHornyPonyWould69

13 LovesexyIsThe1

14 Marco81

15 GiggityGoo

16 victor58

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I didn't count the OP zennabell

looks like they like both though

Trax does not like either lol

funkaholic1972 said:

RJOrion said: