warning2all said:

KingSausage said:

warning2all said:

"The Ball" followed by "Joy In Repetition"!? Weird! I can't imagine that working [Edited 3/18/15 17:33pm]

It sounds fantastic!

Yes. I agree completely.

Even if I would like to have a pristine quality version of "Joy In Repetition" #1 (with the drum intro, no segue), the way in which "The Ball" and JIR are connected is absolutely strong and focused, the first song end in a natural way and the second song start in a natural way.

Instead, in the horrible way JIR was "glued" with "We Can Funk" on Graffiti Bridge you have the climatic intro of the song completely destroyed.

Pressed in Japan...yeah, sure

jjam said:

Pressed in Japan...yeah, sure

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Does it matter?

Just a BS tactic as Japan releases tend to be more collectable and more soughtafter. The nearest the CDs got to Japan was probably the Japanese restaurant around the corner from where the CDs were run off in Wisconsin.

I'm sure this version will be uploaded to one of the usual places soon, or maybe it has already - will keep my eyes out for it

jjam said:

It seems that the Vault might be everywhere in the hours to come...hum!?!?!

Strange Way Of Saying I Love U (Edit) 2m02s

I guess i'm crazy 4m08s

Etc...

jjam said:

Just a BS tactic as Japan releases tend to be more collectable and more soughtafter. The nearest the CDs got to Japan was probably the Japanese restaurant around the corner from where the CDs were run off in Wisconsin.

I'm sure this version will be uploaded to one of the usual places soon, or maybe it has already - will keep my eyes out for it

Wisconsin? Italy, Denmark, or somewhere else in Europe...but maybe a tiny chance somewhere in the US...but Wisconsin?

jjam said:

Just a BS tactic as Japan releases tend to be more collectable and more soughtafter. The nearest the CDs got to Japan was probably the Japanese restaurant around the corner from where the CDs were run off in Wisconsin.

I'm sure this version will be uploaded to one of the usual places soon, or maybe it has already - will keep my eyes out for it

You do realize that we've all been talking about this from the beginning based on the fact that it has been uploaded, right? And I hope you've found it, by the way.

I haven't found it unfortunately

KingSausage said:

warning2all said:

"The Ball" followed by "Joy In Repetition"!? Weird! I can't imagine that working [Edited 3/18/15 17:33pm]

It sounds fantastic!

Actually the harmony between the last horns in TB and the synth opening JIR is a MESS, those chords just don't work together AT ALL and I'm pretty surprised Prince thought he could get away with it. Nevertheless it somehow works out fine but I prefer the smoother transition from We Can Funk to JIR, because there is no harmonic conflict.

databank said:

KingSausage said:

warning2all said: It sounds fantastic!

Actually the harmony between the last horns in TB and the synth opening JIR is a MESS, those chords just don't work together AT ALL and I'm pretty surprised Prince thought he could get away with it. Nevertheless it somehow works out fine but I prefer the smoother transition from We Can Funk to JIR, because there is no harmonic conflict.

Matter of taste, good for you.

To my taste, the transition between WCF and JIR on "Graffiti Bridge" is one of the greatest musical crimes ever made by P.

Probably it's because my first approach with JIR was before GB was released ("Chocolate Box", where it was titled "Joy In Rempatition" ), but when I finally listened to it on GB I checked my CD to see if it was a malfunction of the CD itself.

Unfortunately it wasn't.

BoraBora said:

databank said:

Actually the harmony between the last horns in TB and the synth opening JIR is a MESS, those chords just don't work together AT ALL and I'm pretty surprised Prince thought he could get away with it. Nevertheless it somehow works out fine but I prefer the smoother transition from We Can Funk to JIR, because there is no harmonic conflict.

Matter of taste, good for you.

To my taste, the transition between WCF and JIR on "Graffiti Bridge" is one of the greatest musical crimes ever made by P.

Probably it's because my first approach with JIR was before GB was released ("Chocolate Box", where it was titled "Joy In Rempatition" ), but when I finally listened to it on GB I checked my CD to see if it was a malfunction of the CD itself.

Unfortunately it wasn't.

The harmonic problem is not a matter of taste it's a matter of music theory (though one could argue that dissonant chords/notes do not necessarily sound dissonant (= unpleasant) for every one but they do at least for most of us). However prefering one transition over another is, indeed, a matter of taste.

Thank you for the review! Very useful!

jjam said:

Just a BS tactic as Japan releases tend to be more collectable and more soughtafter.

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Apparently Japan is quite lax with some laws. I've heard plenty of reports about people pressing limited numbers of bootlegs in Japan. I think some Beatles boots were famous etc. I've even heard about legit record labels putting outtakes as bonus tracks on CDs in Japan for artists they're working with, without these artists knowing that beforehand.

great CD THANKS

KingSausage said:

KingSausage said:

jjam said:

Pressed in Japan...yeah, sure

It's a diversion. Pretty sure the source for all the pressed stuff (minus Sabotage) lately is coming from one source.

EddieC said:

paulludvig said:

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PrinceVault has the CB album ending with Adore (Until the End of Time)

http://princevault.com/index.php/Album:_Crystal_Ball_1986

Yeah, Princevault has this sequence now--I don't know if they changed it after this came up (didn't check for a timeline of changes) but it matches the newly circulating version.

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As to the CB versus SOTT question... SOTT might actually be stronger "as an album"--this feels somewhat inconsistent, with non-SOTT Camille tracks really sounding odd to me in the new context--but that might just be a matter of always listening to them separately (either as individual tracks or as a Camille collection). I've only listened one time to CB, but as someone who lived and breathed SOTT for a year, it's a bit jarring to have what seem like chunks of SOTT "interrupted" by these intruding (though incredible) tracks.

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Listening to Dream Factory compilations hasn't had that effect on me. But this is close enough for stretches to the released that even though I believe it probably is the submitted version, it still feels odd. It will take a quite a few listens before that goes away, if it ever does.

They upsated the track list before this "in house tape" came out. It's been updated since last year!!!

Just listened to it again (God how could this thread die so quickly!!!).

I still am amazed by the content even though the order of tracks still puzzles me sometimes because I'm used to the one in SOTT and some other transitions seem odd to me but they wouldn't if I'd never known those songs in other contexts.

Where I fond SOTT really superior is in 2 transitions that are working extremely well and lost on CB:

- IIWYG and Strange Relationship are so strongly thematically related that it's odd seeing them apart.

- ICNTTPOYM and The Cross are so linked musically, being the 2 "rock" tracks of both collections, that here again it's odd to see them separated.

I was also wondering about Rebirth as an opener. Some days I think it's the best opener ever, some days I'm not so sure

Overall I still think it's such an amazing collection that it's superior to SOTT, but some things get lost and some things are better in terms of the flow.

I really wish I could hear Prince's thoughts when he had to make the tracklist a double instead of a simple, whet guided his choices in terms of which songs to remove and to keep. For example I think we all agree that JIR is an absolute masterpiece so it can be puzzling that he took it out. Same with CB but it was more obvious a decision to make to remove such a long piece. Good Love coulda been a single so it's an odd choice to have removed it, even if I don't really see it fit with the somewhat darker mood of SOTT. CB (the album) is interesting in the sense that it's more balanced between darkness and light, while SOTT is definitely much darker, I mean going straight from Shockadelica to good Love hell THAT was daring

victor58 said:

The thread died quickly? Probably because ALL the songs have always been known and there is nothing new, The Ball aside.

This remark illustrates everything that's the problem with this forum. What we have here is a genuine, never heard before tape of the album as it was, not recontructed but exactly as intended, in perfect sound quality as far as unofficial releases go. This is a unique, priceless document about what was a very important project from P's glory years, there's a LOT to discuss.

I suggest all the people who find this insignificant cancel their org account and go discuss Prince's bank account and girlfriends on Lipstick Alley instead...

fms said:

22. Adore - same as released, but here Irukandji have subtitled it "Until the End of Time" which I have never seen before. Interesting if Prince actually considered using that subtitle?

Pretty sure I've seen this in the Vault or on Princevault.com before. It's not new.

databank said:

victor58 said:

The thread died quickly? Probably because ALL the songs have always been known and there is nothing new, The Ball aside.

This remark illustrates everything that's the problem with this forum. What we have here is a genuine, never heard before tape of the album as it was, not recontructed but exactly as intended, in perfect sound quality as far as unofficial releases go. This is a unique, priceless document about what was a very important project from P's glory years, there's a LOT to discuss.

I suggest all the people who find this insignificant cancel their org account and go discuss Prince's bank account and girlfriends on Lipstick Alley instead...

I don't think you got my point. I perfectly know this is the real deal, a priceless document as you say and I have had this for ages. I perfectly know it's an album as it was intended for release at some point in 86/87, but what I meant is that you cannot deny that we know all the songs as the majority is on SOTT. Very few differ from the released versions that we've had for ages, so in a way it would be like another review of songs we've known. That is why I'm not surprised there are only 2 pages of comments...

victor58 said:

databank said:

This remark illustrates everything that's the problem with this forum. What we have here is a genuine, never heard before tape of the album as it was, not recontructed but exactly as intended, in perfect sound quality as far as unofficial releases go. This is a unique, priceless document about what was a very important project from P's glory years, there's a LOT to discuss.

I suggest all the people who find this insignificant cancel their org account and go discuss Prince's bank account and girlfriends on Lipstick Alley instead...

I don't think you got my point. I perfectly know this is the real deal, a priceless document as you say and I have had this for ages. I perfectly know it's an album as it was intended for release at some point in 86/87, but what I meant is that you cannot deny that we know all the songs as the majority is on SOTT. Very few differ from the released versions that we've had for ages, so in a way it would be like another review of songs we've known. That is why I'm not surprised there are only 2 pages of comments...

U had that tape for years?

OK I see where u're coming from but still