undergroundFUNK said:

You all want to know when Prince started losing it....this concert might be the perfect example of him chasing fads and trying to stay mainstream without being true to himself. It is the first time I have ever viewed this and I cringed. I'm a loyal customer but....I wish this never happened. Comments.....

Not his best moment, that's for sure.

SPOOKYGAS said:

It's been a while since I watched it but I don't remember it being that bad.

Haven't watched it in years. I'll have to dig it out..I don't recall it being that bad either but I hated that his guitar was drowned out during "Bambi".

undergroundFUNK said:

You all want to know when Prince started losing it....this concert might be the perfect example of him chasing fads and trying to stay mainstream without being true to himself. It is the first time I have ever viewed this and I cringed. I'm a loyal customer but....I wish this never happened. Comments.....

What fad was he chasing here?

It was a sort of beginning to the end of him being regarded as a "serious" musician. It was probably one of the earliest shows to feature the Star Trek Next Generation Uniforms that screamed funny but not supposed to be funny. Then again, those awful costumes may have been on the Nude Tour, I don't remember. I usually close my eyes when nonsense is on screen. But those Brazil and Argentina shows were pretty much where Prince embraced nonsense non-stop chanting and rapping where there used to be real music.

There was some good music, but it was difficult to see such a great musician dumb it down to the point where you had to question his sanity or possible drug use.

I know there are drugs that made people believe they could fly, believe they were immortal, but I still have a hard time believing that there is a drug that would make Tony M in the band a good idea, so I don't think Prince really did drugs, other than a try or two. I think pure insantiy did his live shows in...with him in remission for the 2002 ONA tour, and the 2004 Musiciology tour, which were pretty awesome. And he was brilliant in spots for the 2013/14 3EG shows for the most part...just don't get me started on the years where Crowd Flunky Shelby Shouts at the top of her lungs non-stop where there could be singing and music involved instead of nonsense.

"Star Trek Next Generation"...lol! Good one. M.C. Hammer and C&C Music Factory were big back then with the dancers and big bands. Maybe P was trying to cash in on that sound and look?

sorry, i disagree with you.

1. the one night alone shows were not really entertaining and musically NOT genius (if that can be say about prince anyway. He is great, but a genius- no - not really). I would even say, that the one i ve seen was horrible...Just playing each song just for 10 min was boring as hell. Glad, that my wife couldnt come with me that night.

2. What so bad about it, that prince used for the first time dancers, that could actually dance? (compare it to the fat Guy from 1986, that couldn´t really move his body..Sorry, but that was awful...)

3. The costumes from the 88 were really mehh..so for me, Prince looked for the first time like a man and not a drag Queen

the 1991 Era - made me a fanl, and displays the best dance-routines by prince ever and some of the best shows.

4. I prefer the more poppy sound of that time, than the jazz-Bassed shit he started doing in 1986-1988....and 2001. too much jazzy horns. I prefer the funky ones from NPG Horn-Heads.

So, for me the period from 1991 - 1993 was great

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misiu said:

3. The costumes from the 88 were really mehh..so for me, Prince looked for the first like a man and not a like morris Day said in PR like a "Faggot".

I'm a faggot. And I have fantastic dress sense.

bluegangsta said:

misiu said:

3. The costumes from the 88 were really mehh..so for me, Prince looked for the first like a man and not a like morris Day said in PR like a "Faggot".

I'm a faggot. And I have fantastic dress sense.

nice 4 u

bluegangsta said:

misiu said:

3. The costumes from the 88 were really mehh..so for me, Prince looked for the first like a man and not a like morris Day said in PR like a "Faggot".

I'm a faggot. And I have fantastic dress sense.

And do we think that word is somehow not offensive because we're just quoting Morris Day?

Also, while it maybe wasn't Prince's finest moment, I think it's interesting to watch from a historical perspective. I like how you can see the changes made to the Nude Tour, as it is morphing into the D & P show.

i dont want to hurt anybody here - so i edited my post. hope its ok....

I actually like the sound of those South AMerican shows, P was trying new material, it wasn't the Nude tour sound anymore nor the DéP tour sound yet, those shows are a pretty nice oddity in his career.

Another big act that year in Rio was Guns 'N Roses, and we've seen what a shambles they became. Meanwhile Prince has continued to wow audiences and fellow musicians alike.

I really like the Rock in Rio shows and the other South American show. Rio is a strange show in the sense that he's debuting the really early "Diamonds and Pearls" material and kinda testing the stuff to see how it held up live. You can see the transitions between the Nude Tour show and what he was thinking for a D&P tour. The performance of "Purple Rain" is one of my all time favorite performances of that song.

stillwaiting said:

Noodled24 said:

In 1991 rap music was not mainstream.

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Yeah, because nobody was singing along with "Summertime" or "OPP".

BartVanHemelen said:

Noodled24 said:

In 1991 rap music was not mainstream.

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Yeah, because nobody was singing along with "Summertime" or "OPP".

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make?

I didn't say rap music didn't exist. I said it wasn't mainstream. Hell, in '91 the term "hip-hop" wasnt even commonly used, it all fell under the umbrella of "rap".

I'd say rap post 1990 was pretty mainstream, considering the juggernauts that were Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em and To The Extreme.

SuperSoulFighter said:

Public Enemy, RUN DMC, De La Soul, Salt N Pepa all had hits in the late 80s/early 90s and I'm sure I forget some. Oh yeah, rap was mainstream allright...

That depends on what you call a hit according to Wikipedia:

Public Enemy never had a US top 10 single.

RUN DMC had one top 10 with walk this way in '86 and never broke the top 10 again.

De La Sould never broke the US top 10 with a single.

Salt n Pepper didn't crack the US top 10 until 1993.

They've all had more success if you go phishing in the RnB Chart, but surely "Prince Rules" apply here too and we're only interested in the BB chart - because thats the mainstream chart.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I'd say rap post 1990 was pretty mainstream, considering the juggernauts that were Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em and To The Extreme.

I'm not saying it wasn't around. It obviously was and in the USA it was a huge subculture.

But 1991 are you saying you could tune into mainstream radio and hear 2 or 3 hiphop tracks in a row?

MTV Base didn't broadcast until 1999.

I mean if you look at the charts today the top 10 at any given point likely has 2 or 3 "hiphop" tracks in it. In 1991 the charts looked very different.

not one of his better bands

PE and others sold millions of albums by that point, so it's a bit questionable to refer to is as any sort of underground stuff though.

I don't think most of the big rock bands at the time had too many TOP10 hits either. Did GnR ever even have a #1 hit? They were the ones that were headlining big festivals in any case. The videos were on heavy rotation due to album sales.

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novabrkr said:

PE and others sold millions of albums by that point, so it's a bit questionable to refer to is as any sort of underground stuff though.

^That's a fair point. I can't reconcile millions sold with underground. By 1991 it was around in the RnB charts and was more of a subculture than underground music scene. However I still stand by my original point - at that point in time it wasn't mainstream. It wasn't dominating the pop charts.

I don't think most of the big rock bands at the time had too many TOP10 hits either. Did GnR ever even have a #1 hit? They were the ones that were headlining big festivals in any case. The videos were on heavy rotation due to album sales.

"Rock" wasn't really a new genre though.

Rap/Hiphop was around in the early 90s. No question - there were albums released and a few of the early pioneers of hip-hop are still known by name.

But people talk about Prince jumping on hip-hop as if it was everywhere, and it just wasn't. Looking back at the charts (no so much in terms of sales but in terms of what was on them) what people were listening to at the time - what was mainstream.

If you look at the charts today hip-hop is all over them. But it took Snoop, 2pac, Biggie, Nas, Puffy, Jay-Z, among others to really take it mainstream they were just emerging artists in the early 90s.

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