laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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How many of those people have bought a Prince record in the past year? Five years? Decade? Two decades?

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How many can name a song released in the past year? Five years? Decade? Two decades?

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All that love and admiration is for work he did DECADES ago. Same for numerous other artists.

------- Shut the fuck up. All we have done on this board is discuss the last two projects and for projects that received no radio play they had a good run on the RnB charts. Event Lotus Flower stayed on the Album chart for a year . You need to get off of this board and realized there is whole world outside of the org and your opinion.

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Remind me never to mess with you You'll cut a bitch before they even see ya coming

laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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How many of those people have bought a Prince record in the past year? Five years? Decade? Two decades?

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How many can name a song released in the past year? Five years? Decade? Two decades?

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All that love and admiration is for work he did DECADES ago. Same for numerous other artists.

------- Shut the fuck up. All we have done on this board is discuss the last two projects and for projects that received no radio play they had a good run on the RnB charts. Event Lotus Flower stayed on the Album chart for a year . You need to get off of this board and realized there is whole world outside of the org and your opinion.

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And in that world:

1) Prince rates very low to most people.

2) They know the proper tense of realize vs. realized.

BartVanHemelen said:

All that love and admiration is for work he did DECADES ago. Same for numerous other artists.

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So what? Is it really such a bad achievement to be praised in 2015 for some music released in 1984 or 1987? Is it so bad to be Sir Paul McCartney and being praised in 2015 for being part of The Beatles, although they split up in 1970? Is it so bad to be part of The Rolling Stones and to enjoy worldwide fame, although their last new music of major relevance has been released years ago?

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You can also see it this way: in order to be admired in 2015 for music released in 1984, your music released in 1984 must have been damn good.

LittlePurpleYoda said:

laurarichardson said:

------- Shut the fuck up. All we have done on this board is discuss the last two projects and for projects that received no radio play they had a good run on the RnB charts. Event Lotus Flower stayed on the Album chart for a year . You need to get off of this board and realized there is whole world outside of the org and your opinion.

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And in that world:

1) Prince rates very low to most people.

2) They know the proper tense of realize vs. realized.

1) I am sorry you do not access to a T.V or internet service down in the basement of your mom's house.

2) Kind of hard to type the right tense when the website keeps crashing but you are so smart I bet you figured it out what I was trying to say or maybe not since I did not write anything that was not true.

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EmancipationLover said:

BartVanHemelen said:

All that love and admiration is for work he did DECADES ago. Same for numerous other artists.

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So what? Is it really such a bad achievement to be praised in 2015 for some music released in 1984 or 1987? Is it so bad to be Sir Paul McCartney and being praised in 2015 for being part of The Beatles, although they split up in 1970? Is it so bad to be part of The Rolling Stones and to enjoy worldwide fame, although their last new music of major relevance has been released years ago?

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You can also see it this way: in order to be admired in 2015 for music released in 1984, your music released in 1984 must have been damn good.

Of course it is a bad achievement to Bart he is living on his own planet. Things that are okay for the Beatles and the Rolling Stones are not okay for Prince

Noodled24 said:

It really is a bizarre situation. The musicians musician, and celebrities celebrity that Prince is. He just can't gain any traction with a song or album.

Nothing bizarre about it. You cannot make radio play songs if they do not want to play them. It does not matter who you are. The Rolling Stones had no successs getting anything on the radio after say

1989.

They do not record new material anymore because they do not get airplay. It is no different than what U2 is seeing happen with their albums.

No one is immune from ageism or blackballing. People still want to see the Rolling Stones and U2 in concert.

Mummy, mummy, they said my teddy bear is ugly!

laurarichardson said:

Nothing bizarre about it. You cannot make radio play songs if they do not want to play them. It does not matter who you are. The Rolling Stones had no successs getting anything on the radio after say

1989.

They do not record new material anymore because they do not get airplay. It is no different than what U2 is seeing happen with their albums.

No one is immune from ageism or blackballing. People still want to see the Rolling Stones and U2 in concert.

Where is the ageism?

Blackballing I'm assuming you mean industry blacklisting? Madonna has been "banned" from BBC Radio 1 here in the UK. She's still selling records.

With Prince it's all down to a lack of management.

Noodled24 said:

With Prince it's all down to a lack of management.

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We can't say that for sure. Yes, his management could be better, he could act less spontaneously and could work on his plans and strategies more thoroughly, and he seems to lack focus quite often. Yet, he has managed to be an active player in the music business even at the age of 56 (approaching 57) and to have a 37-year career. If his health permits, I don't see any reason why he should not be an active and acclaimed musician even at 60+.

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U2, Bon Jovi and DuranDuran (to name a few) also struggle to get airplay for their new stuff these days, and they appear to be managed much more conservatively (to put it in a polite way) than mercurial Prince.

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EmancipationLover said:

Noodled24 said:

With Prince it's all down to a lack of management.

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We can't say that for sure. Yes, his management could be better, he could act less spontaneously and could work on his plans and strategies more thoroughly, and he seems to lack focus quite often. Yet, he has managed to be an active player in the music business even at the age of 56 (approaching 57) and to have a 37-year career. If his health permits, I don't see any reason why he should not be an active and acclaimed musician even at 60+.

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U2, Bon Jovi and DuranDuran (to name a few) also struggle to get airplay for their new stuff these days, and they appear to be managed much more conservatively (to put it in a polite way) than mercurial Prince.

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even with his lackof management as soem say, it appears he gets the deals and whatever else he wants..That in itself says good management..just saying

Noodled24 said:

laurarichardson said:

Nothing bizarre about it. You cannot make radio play songs if they do not want to play them. It does not matter who you are. The Rolling Stones had no successs getting anything on the radio after say

1989.

They do not record new material anymore because they do not get airplay. It is no different than what U2 is seeing happen with their albums.

No one is immune from ageism or blackballing. People still want to see the Rolling Stones and U2 in concert.

Where is the ageism?

Blackballing I'm assuming you mean industry blacklisting? Madonna has been "banned" from BBC Radio 1 here in the UK. She's still selling records.

With Prince it's all down to a lack of management.

You really do not know how radio works? Radio stations received thousands of songs and they certainly cannot play them all. They decide based on their market and their research what they are going to play and not play. All artist will hit a wall with radio when they reach a certain age because pop music is so youth oriented now.

Prince has no chance of getting on Pop stations no matter who manages him. His problem now is not being able to get on RnB AC stations which are the demographic he would fit now.

I believe that some blackballing is occurring on that format.

Prince still managed to have AOA stay on the RNB chart for a few months without any play just like Madonna in the UK so fans are going to buy the music for some artist with or without radio.

Curious to know what you think about U2, Bruce Springsteen or the Rolling Stones. None of these groups are going to get radio play if they releases singles songs. People still go to their concerts and if they put out an album I am sure their fans would buy it.

Why is Prince considered different than these artist and bands on this board?

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said:

Where is the ageism?

Blackballing I'm assuming you mean industry blacklisting? Madonna has been "banned" from BBC Radio 1 here in the UK. She's still selling records.

With Prince it's all down to a lack of management.

You really do not know how radio works? Radio stations received thousands of songs and they certainly cannot play them all. They decide based on their market and their research what they are going to play and not play. All artist will hit a wall with radio when they reach a certain age because pop music is so youth oriented now.

Prince has no chance of getting on Pop stations no matter who manages him. His problem now is not being able to get on RnB AC stations which are the demographic he would fit now.

I believe that some blackballing is occurring on that format.

Prince still managed to have AOA stay on the RNB chart for a few months without any play just like Madonna in the UK so fans are going to buy the music for some artist with or without radio.

Curious to know what you think about U2, Bruce Springsteen or the Rolling Stones. None of these groups are going to get radio play if they releases singles songs. People still go to their concerts and if they put out an album I am sure their fans would buy it.

Why is Prince considered different than these artist and bands on this board?

I understand thats how a lot of mainstream media works. Especially in the states. But it's not like he's being ignored on the singles chart while selling millions of Albums. His albums aren't selling very well.

The other artists you mentioned have big fan bases who buy their albums. Prince has had his lawyers alienate and annihilate his fanbase since 1997.

Prince is his own worst enemy. Always has been, always will be. Prince has had two crap albums, D&P and Musicology, do respectable business when he had excellent management. His response has always been to fire management when he's hot. He then drives his career into the ground trying to not pay anybody and do everything himself. He has to make ALL the money on every deal.

I'm not impressed by Prince playing afterparties for celebs. In fact it's more disconcerting for me than anything. Those are not big star gigs necessarily. They could be seen as cash-grabs. I'm not saying he needed the money, but I sure hope that's not why he played those gigs, just for the money. Yet, the Grammy, shoe and SNL gigs don't seem to be something he worked just because he had time on his hands and wanted to have a good time. He certainly wasn't there promoting AOA, or because he had a song of the moment hit or anything. He was paid on the celebrity of his name. He had to show up and play Purple Rain to cash-in.

Which brings me to the last point. Did anybody notice how BEYONCE was NOT NOMINATED this year for BEST R&B album at the Grammies? Even though... she clearly had the best R&B album of the year. But she's a major celeb right? And when you are a major celebrity name you don't count your victories on the piss-ass R&B chart anymore, next to the c-list and d-list acts. They don't nominate you for R&B. Your wheelhouse is on the POP CHART! If Prince isn't doing well on the Pop Chart then it's strong evidence that his music is failing.

funksterr said:

He was paid on the celebrity of his name. He had to show up and play Purple Rain to cash-in.

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So Prince may have worked to make money. That is of course something no one of us would ever do...

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Btw, wasn't one aspect of the Nude tour to make some cash after he had lost money with the over-expensive Lovsexy tour?

EmancipationLover said:

funksterr said:

He was paid on the celebrity of his name. He had to show up and play Purple Rain to cash-in.

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So Prince may have worked to make money. That is of course something no one of us would ever do...

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Btw, wasn't one aspect of the Nude tour to make some cash after he had lost money with the over-expensive Lovsexy tour?

In lesser times, he does what he has to do. He's turned down a lot of these type of fake events in the past, sometimes for spiritual reasons. The issue isn't that he's working, the issue is that he seems to be a bit desperate for work.

Let's face it, Prince would rather eat cereal, watch tv, and float around Paisley Park talking spiritually-superior, while playing grab-ass with a no-brain barely-legal young lady. Drunk celebs taking selfies and shit while he plays PR, because nobody wants to hear his new songs probably isn't his ideal thing to do. Prince doesn't comp celebrity tix when he tours. They want to see Prince live? They've got to buy a ticket like everybody else.

So if he's taking those gigs, more than likely it's a money issue. If Prince was playing live, on his own terms, I'd expect to see a focus on recent material and all the other odd behaviors that goes with Prince doing things his way . Y'all know Prince wanted to snatch up all those cellphones waiving in his face and play FUNKNROLL.

funksterr said:

EmancipationLover said:

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So Prince may have worked to make money. That is of course something no one of us would ever do...

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Btw, wasn't one aspect of the Nude tour to make some cash after he had lost money with the over-expensive Lovsexy tour?

In lesser times, he does what he has to do. He's turned down a lot of these type of fake events in the past, sometimes for spiritual reasons. The issue isn't that he's working, the issue is that he seems to be a bit desperate for work.

Let's face it, Prince would rather eat cereal, watch tv, and float around Paisley Park talking spiritually-superior, while playing grab-ass with a no-brain barely-legal young lady. Drunk celebs taking selfies and shit while he plays PR, because nobody wants to hear his new songs probably isn't his ideal thing to do. Prince doesn't comp celebrity tix when he tours. They want to see Prince live? They've got to buy a ticket like everybody else.

So if he's taking those gigs, more than likely it's a money issue. If Prince was playing live, on his own terms, I'd expect to see a focus on recent material and all the other odd behaviors that goes with Prince doing things his way . Y'all know Prince wanted to snatch up all those cellphones waiving in his face and play FUNKNROLL.

where do you see depserate fort cash..he ,jordan, magic etc have been friends for years as arsenio said, we were succesful black men growing up in the business togather.,guys not hurting for money///you mfers see hghosts were none exists..celebrities like him do this thinks, ansd what asshole truns down 2 to 3 millioin to kget on stage for 2 hrs

funksterr said:

EmancipationLover said:

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So Prince may have worked to make money. That is of course something no one of us would ever do...

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Btw, wasn't one aspect of the Nude tour to make some cash after he had lost money with the over-expensive Lovsexy tour?

In lesser times, he does what he has to do. He's turned down a lot of these type of fake events in the past, sometimes for spiritual reasons. The issue isn't that he's working, the issue is that he seems to be a bit desperate for work.

Let's face it, Prince would rather eat cereal, watch tv, and float around Paisley Park talking spiritually-superior, while playing grab-ass with a no-brain barely-legal young lady. Drunk celebs taking selfies and shit while he plays PR, because nobody wants to hear his new songs probably isn't his ideal thing to do. Prince doesn't comp celebrity tix when he tours. They want to see Prince live? They've got to buy a ticket like everybody else.

So if he's taking those gigs, more than likely it's a money issue. If Prince was playing live, on his own terms, I'd expect to see a focus on recent material and all the other odd behaviors that goes with Prince doing things his way . Y'all know Prince wanted to snatch up all those cellphones waiving in his face and play FUNKNROLL.

lwr001 said:

funksterr said:

In lesser times, he does what he has to do. He's turned down a lot of these type of fake events in the past, sometimes for spiritual reasons. The issue isn't that he's working, the issue is that he seems to be a bit desperate for work.

Let's face it, Prince would rather eat cereal, watch tv, and float around Paisley Park talking spiritually-superior, while playing grab-ass with a no-brain barely-legal young lady. Drunk celebs taking selfies and shit while he plays PR, because nobody wants to hear his new songs probably isn't his ideal thing to do. Prince doesn't comp celebrity tix when he tours. They want to see Prince live? They've got to buy a ticket like everybody else.

So if he's taking those gigs, more than likely it's a money issue. If Prince was playing live, on his own terms, I'd expect to see a focus on recent material and all the other odd behaviors that goes with Prince doing things his way . Y'all know Prince wanted to snatch up all those cellphones waiving in his face and play FUNKNROLL.

where do you see depserate fort cash..he ,jordan, magic etc have been friends for years as arsenio said, we were succesful black men growing up in the business togather.,guys not hurting for money///you mfers see hghosts were none exists..celebrities like him do this thinks, ansd what asshole truns down 2 to 3 millioin to kget on stage for 2 hrs

Exactly, Prince, Arsenio and Jordan are not working all the time because they do not have to.

I guess some people on this board have no understanding of investments .

Noodled24 said:

laurarichardson said:

You really do not know how radio works? Radio stations received thousands of songs and they certainly cannot play them all. They decide based on their market and their research what they are going to play and not play. All artist will hit a wall with radio when they reach a certain age because pop music is so youth oriented now.

Prince has no chance of getting on Pop stations no matter who manages him. His problem now is not being able to get on RnB AC stations which are the demographic he would fit now.

I believe that some blackballing is occurring on that format.

Prince still managed to have AOA stay on the RNB chart for a few months without any play just like Madonna in the UK so fans are going to buy the music for some artist with or without radio.

Curious to know what you think about U2, Bruce Springsteen or the Rolling Stones. None of these groups are going to get radio play if they releases singles songs. People still go to their concerts and if they put out an album I am sure their fans would buy it.

Why is Prince considered different than these artist and bands on this board?

I understand thats how a lot of mainstream media works. Especially in the states. But it's not like he's being ignored on the singles chart while selling millions of Albums. His albums aren't selling very well.

The other artists you mentioned have big fan bases who buy their albums. Prince has had his lawyers alienate and annihilate his fanbase since 1997.

No one is selling a lot of albums I believe Frozen,Tayor Swift and Beyonce are doing a million but no one else.

People still hear the majority of their music on the radio so you must get some play. In order for a whole CD to sell there has to mass promotion and even artist who have mass promotion do not see million dollar sales anymore.

Prince has put out CDs inpendently which means no promotion or radio play or did one off deals wth majors. Record companies are splitting the profits with him on those deals and with declining sales they have no incentive to spend thousands promoting an older artist and then giving him half of the profits.

The other artist I mentioned are not selling millions of albums/cds they have fans who buy their stuff and they sell out arenas. They have traditional record deals which motivate the record company to promote the hell out of their stuff to their fan base. These are really the only reasons they still sell some albums and Prince very few.

In them meantime if Prince wanted to do a wideworld tour he go do it in a minute and no one gives a shit about material being taken down from YOUTUBE after all no one is paying to look or listen to anything on YOUTUBE so it is not the big deal that people on the ORG make it out to be.

funksterr said:

the issue is that he seems to be a bit desperate for work.

A desperate person would have promoted his last two albums so that they sold more than they did and would be touring right now. A desperate person would do what WB suggests he should do. A desperate person would have milked the 30th anniversary of PR to no end. I'd accept people calling him a bit crazy, but there's absolutely nothing that he does that displays desperation. He plays and appears when he wants where he wants. The guy loves money, no doubt, but he loves his freedom a lot more, in case you were not paying attention the last 35 years.

funksterr said:

EmancipationLover said:

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So Prince may have worked to make money. That is of course something no one of us would ever do...

.

Btw, wasn't one aspect of the Nude tour to make some cash after he had lost money with the over-expensive Lovsexy tour?

In lesser times, he does what he has to do. He's turned down a lot of these type of fake events in the past, sometimes for spiritual reasons. The issue isn't that he's working, the issue is that he seems to be a bit desperate for work.

Let's face it, Prince would rather eat cereal, watch tv, and float around Paisley Park talking spiritually-superior, while playing grab-ass with a no-brain barely-legal young lady. Drunk celebs taking selfies and shit while he plays PR, because nobody wants to hear his new songs probably isn't his ideal thing to do. Prince doesn't comp celebrity tix when he tours. They want to see Prince live? They've got to buy a ticket like everybody else.

So if he's taking those gigs, more than likely it's a money issue. If Prince was playing live, on his own terms, I'd expect to see a focus on recent material and all the other odd behaviors that goes with Prince doing things his way . Y'all know Prince wanted to snatch up all those cellphones waiving in his face and play FUNKNROLL.

It's been a Prince For Hire since around 2007. Remember the airplane hangar birthday party? The Vegas shows? That Opus thingy? Corporate shilling for Verizon and Citicard Advantage? etc. I remember thinking and voicing my opinion on how wierd it all seemed that Prince was suddenly so money hungry but the usual enablers came up with all manner of justifications to excuse it away.

Now it just seems rather commonplace for Prince to whore himself out for LiveNation/Yahoo and SNL and Michael Jordon. But to cash in on something that would make his most devoted fans happy, he can't seem to be bothered to care. Ironically, I'm not quite sure which part of that is the most tragic.

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said:

I understand thats how a lot of mainstream media works. Especially in the states. But it's not like he's being ignored on the singles chart while selling millions of Albums. His albums aren't selling very well.

The other artists you mentioned have big fan bases who buy their albums. Prince has had his lawyers alienate and annihilate his fanbase since 1997.

No one is selling a lot of albums I believe Frozen,Tayor Swift and Beyonce are doing a million but no one else.

Doesn't matter. The other acts you mentioned still have big fanbases who buy their music. In large numbers - by todays standards.

People still hear the majority of their music on the radio so you must get some play. In order for a whole CD to sell there has to mass promotion and even artist who have mass promotion do not see million dollar sales anymore.

Im not sure. I mean radio is still a big factor, but the internet is responsible in launching so many artists these days. There are also plenty of free alternitives to MTV. - Nobody is co-ordinating this kind of thing for Prince. When he was in the UK last year he tweeted asking how to get on Jools Holland. This kind of thing involves keeping a diary and a lot of non-sexual phone calls. Neither of which seem to be Princes strong suit.

Prince has put out CDs inpendently which means no promotion or radio play or did one off deals wth majors. Record companies are splitting the profits with him on those deals and with declining sales they have no incentive to spend thousands promoting an older artist and then giving him half of the profits.

Right, and I can understand "Crystal Ball" not selling big numbers. Or "The Rainbow Children" not selling big numbers. But he's also put out major label releases and saw small numbers.

The other artist I mentioned are not selling millions of albums/cds they have fans who buy their stuff and they sell out arenas. They have traditional record deals which motivate the record company to promote the hell out of their stuff to their fan base. These are really the only reasons they still sell some albums and Prince very few.

Of course they do. And Prince used to to. Then he set his lawyers on his fans and hasn't let up for 18 years. Every letter sent is an album sale lost.

In them meantime if Prince wanted to do a wideworld tour he go do it in a minute and no one gives a shit about material being taken down from YOUTUBE after all no one is paying to look or listen to anything on YOUTUBE so it is not the big deal that people on the ORG make it out to be.

Fans and casual fans go to concerts. They take pics on their phone and maybe a few videos and they share them on youtube then they get taken down resulting in the person who went to the concert grabbing a torrent instead of your new CD.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

funksterr said:

In lesser times, he does what he has to do. He's turned down a lot of these type of fake events in the past, sometimes for spiritual reasons. The issue isn't that he's working, the issue is that he seems to be a bit desperate for work.

Let's face it, Prince would rather eat cereal, watch tv, and float around Paisley Park talking spiritually-superior, while playing grab-ass with a no-brain barely-legal young lady. Drunk celebs taking selfies and shit while he plays PR, because nobody wants to hear his new songs probably isn't his ideal thing to do. Prince doesn't comp celebrity tix when he tours. They want to see Prince live? They've got to buy a ticket like everybody else.

So if he's taking those gigs, more than likely it's a money issue. If Prince was playing live, on his own terms, I'd expect to see a focus on recent material and all the other odd behaviors that goes with Prince doing things his way . Y'all know Prince wanted to snatch up all those cellphones waiving in his face and play FUNKNROLL.

It's been a Prince For Hire since around 2007. Remember the airplane hangar birthday party? The Vegas shows? That Opus thingy? Corporate shilling for Verizon and Citicard Advantage? etc. I remember thinking and voicing my opinion on how wierd it all seemed that Prince was suddenly so money hungry but the usual enablers came up with all manner of justifications to excuse it away.

Now it just seems rather commonplace for Prince to whore himself out for LiveNation/Yahoo and SNL and Michael Jordon. But to cash in on something that would make his most devoted fans happy, he can't seem to be bothered to care. Ironically, I'm not quite sure which part of that is the most tragic.

That's false. Even in the 80's he's played one off shows for benefits and private event. To act like he suddenly started doing private events in the 00's as if he's doing it to "whore" himself is a completely distortion of history. If someone makes a performance worth his while, he does it. He seems like he'd be just as content kicking it at home.

funksterr said:

Prince is his own worst enemy. Always has been, always will be. Prince has had two crap albums, D&P and Musicology, do respectable business when he had excellent management. His response has always been to fire management when he's hot. He then drives his career into the ground trying to not pay anybody and do everything himself. He has to make ALL the money on every deal.

I'm not impressed by Prince playing afterparties for celebs. In fact it's more disconcerting for me than anything. Those are not big star gigs necessarily. They could be seen as cash-grabs. I'm not saying he needed the money, but I sure hope that's not why he played those gigs, just for the money. Yet, the Grammy, shoe and SNL gigs don't seem to be something he worked just because he had time on his hands and wanted to have a good time. He certainly wasn't there promoting AOA, or because he had a song of the moment hit or anything. He was paid on the celebrity of his name. He had to show up and play Purple Rain to cash-in.

Which brings me to the last point. Did anybody notice how BEYONCE was NOT NOMINATED this year for BEST R&B album at the Grammies? Even though... she clearly had the best R&B album of the year. But she's a major celeb right? And when you are a major celebrity name you don't count your victories on the piss-ass R&B chart anymore, next to the c-list and d-list acts. They don't nominate you for R&B. Your wheelhouse is on the POP CHART! If Prince isn't doing well on the Pop Chart then it's strong evidence that his music is failing.

Why the big smile?

lwr001 said:

where do you see depserate fort cash..he ,jordan, magic etc have been friends for years as arsenio said, we were succesful black men growing up in the business togather.,guys not hurting for money///you mfers see hghosts were none exists..celebrities like him do this thinks, ansd what asshole truns down 2 to 3 millioin to kget on stage for 2 hrs

Prince doesn't do friends. He gets what he needs from people at the time and moves on to the next one. Arsenio admitted he didn't even have Prince's phone number and spent months trying to get a message to him to no avail. 2 to 3 million for 2 hrs??? Highly unlikely.

laurarichardson said:

------- He made over a 100 million dollars in 2004 and big bucks from charging high ass prices after that. He is now licensing out his music without a middle man. He is still getting a million a show. How in the hell do you think he is having money issues. It appears that he may have just been at the SNL party and asked to jump on the stage. Since w

I don't believe he is flush with cash. He may be worth a certain amount on paper, but as for what he can actually spend and move around and do what ever he wants, it appears he's limited. He has secured a lot of rights, but it's not all income. As they say it takes money to make money. For some things he has to risk money first, to make it back later. He paid to have his song on Empire, and probably gave up certain rights too. That's how that show works. Will that financial risk payoff? I don't know, but it doesn't appear to have done so yet.

paulludvig said:

funksterr said:

Prince is his own worst enemy. Always has been, always will be. Prince has had two crap albums, D&P and Musicology, do respectable business when he had excellent management. His response has always been to fire management when he's hot. He then drives his career into the ground trying to not pay anybody and do everything himself. He has to make ALL the money on every deal.

I'm not impressed by Prince playing afterparties for celebs. In fact it's more disconcerting for me than anything. Those are not big star gigs necessarily. They could be seen as cash-grabs. I'm not saying he needed the money, but I sure hope that's not why he played those gigs, just for the money. Yet, the Grammy, shoe and SNL gigs don't seem to be something he worked just because he had time on his hands and wanted to have a good time. He certainly wasn't there promoting AOA, or because he had a song of the moment hit or anything. He was paid on the celebrity of his name. He had to show up and play Purple Rain to cash-in.

Which brings me to the last point. Did anybody notice how BEYONCE was NOT NOMINATED this year for BEST R&B album at the Grammies? Even though... she clearly had the best R&B album of the year. But she's a major celeb right? And when you are a major celebrity name you don't count your victories on the piss-ass R&B chart anymore, next to the c-list and d-list acts. They don't nominate you for R&B. Your wheelhouse is on the POP CHART! If Prince isn't doing well on the Pop Chart then it's strong evidence that his music is failing.

Why the big smile?

Because I remembered the Chris Rock/Kevin Hart moment from Real Househusbands, where Chris said Kevin had yet to break out and was only "black famous". "I'm white famous, Kev. I'm going on Conan Obrien. It's a white man's show. Tell Tom Joyner and them I said Hi." The same reasoning applies for Beyonce and Prince. They are past the point of the R&B chart with K Michelle and Lil' Mo.

lezama said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

It's been a Prince For Hire since around 2007. Remember the airplane hangar birthday party? The Vegas shows? That Opus thingy? Corporate shilling for Verizon and Citicard Advantage? etc. I remember thinking and voicing my opinion on how wierd it all seemed that Prince was suddenly so money hungry but the usual enablers came up with all manner of justifications to excuse it away.

Now it just seems rather commonplace for Prince to whore himself out for LiveNation/Yahoo and SNL and Michael Jordon. But to cash in on something that would make his most devoted fans happy, he can't seem to be bothered to care. Ironically, I'm not quite sure which part of that is the most tragic.

That's false. Even in the 80's he's played one off shows for benefits and private event. To act like he suddenly started doing private events in the 00's as if he's doing it to "whore" himself is a completely distortion of history. If someone makes a performance worth his while, he does it. He seems like he'd be just as content kicking it at home.

Yeah, well. Considering the FACT that I can recall more than a few $30 to as low as $10 a head cover charges for his 'events' in recent years at Paisley Park. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

lwr001 said:

even with his lackof management as soem say, it appears he gets the deals and whatever else he wants..That in itself says good management..just saying

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Ah, so that's why he didn't release a record for years. That's why he bitched about iTunes not wanting to pay him millions in advance. That's why he had to beg WBR to release the 3EG record which he seemed unable to peddle to anyone, not even the company he already had a deal with.

BartVanHemelen said:

lwr001 said:

even with his lackof management as soem say, it appears he gets the deals and whatever else he wants..That in itself says good management..just saying

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Ah, so that's why he didn't release a record for years. That's why he bitched about iTunes not wanting to pay him millions in advance. That's why he had to beg WBR to release the 3EG record which he seemed unable to peddle to anyone, not even the company he already had a deal with.

Do you have proof of this or is this just wishful thinking/speculation on your part?