this is senseless, by the same token I can point out that Prince could never make Stairway To Heaven, which is true.

i get where you want this to go but truly the only unique aspect of the song, for me, is his vocal arrangement, other than that it's quite simple and pedestrian. the vocal style is great and unique, but frankly i skip over it when listening to PR, i know it too well, but 3 Chains O' Gold is worth more for a musical discussion.

also, the no bassline thing never struck me as being groundbreaking, it just is what it is, absent, doesn't make one a pioneer and frankly wouldn't amekany differenceto the track if it were included, so, it's sort of overhyped, like the liner notes stating P plays 26 instruments, since when did handclaps, finger cymbals and triangles count as someting skilled?

Therefore, much like this website, every thing the man does gets amplified by twenty and mythologized to the levels of absurdity, like him being half Italian and supposedly plaing the harp! Get an effin' life.........

The short and complete answer: no one

Bambi82 said:

iZsaZsa said:

My mind is made up.

And?

Marrk said:

Embrace said:

Like Prince did?

The way he put it together, is sublime.

It's not just the bass that is left out. Because one could say that the kick drum is the bass.

It's the Lyrics that go along with the music like Einstein goes with science.

It's the entire composition, arrangement and performance of it that was put to record.

Just out of there!

But he can also kick it live. I remember SOTT and Lovesexy live. And oh the Nude tour version. Nobody can bring it like Prince can. The beats, the singing and playing, the soul....

Yeah, When Doves Cry is truly Awesome

and nothing ANY OTHER artists, songwriter and/or performer could have ever done.

But Prince

Is that too much credit to give him, or is it justified?

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I've always thought WDC was shit when he does it live. Alright, not shit but underwhelming. Same with 'Kiss' too.

It's one of his very best recorded songs though no doubt.

It's kind of a silly question. You could pose this question about any big acts signature song that sold millions or was the biggest selling song of the year. Of course it's unique to them.

It's like saying who else could've painted the Mona lisa? Plenty could, but the original vision is what counts.

You don't even like the Nude tour version?

I think there are countless of songs that sold millions, plenty of others could have made. So many 'hits' are not 'unique' at all, but simply rip-offs of other songs, and usually very simply produced.

There are plenty of Prince songs too others could have made. But When doves cry is not like that.

ashynevermind said:

this is senseless, by the same token I can point out that Prince could never make Stairway To Heaven, which is true.

lol

so you are just proving my point.

The no bass line btw was groundbreaking back in the day. It still makes the song sound entirely different than other, more 'standard' tunes.

The Nude tour version proves it too, because there is bass in that. An amazing bassline that is. And it makes the song sound and feel very different.

thedoorkeeper said:

Bambi82 said:

Well good thing he wouldn't sing that since those are not the lyrics.
Dig if you will the picture.. touch if you will my stomach.

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Thanks for the correction - sometimes I am an idiot.

it was just a 'Freudian slip of the tongue'.

Embrace said:

Marrk said:

I've always thought WDC was shit when he does it live. Alright, not shit but underwhelming. Same with 'Kiss' too.

It's one of his very best recorded songs though no doubt.

It's kind of a silly question. You could pose this question about any big acts signature song that sold millions or was the biggest selling song of the year. Of course it's unique to them.

It's like saying who else could've painted the Mona lisa? Plenty could, but the original vision is what counts.

You don't even like the Nude tour version?

I think there are countless of songs that sold millions, plenty of others could have made. So many 'hits' are not 'unique' at all, but simply rip-offs of other songs, and usually very simply produced.

There are plenty of Prince songs too others could have made. But When doves cry is not like that.

>

Is the Nude Tour version the one from Japan with the funky guitar lick and awesome piano solo?

Who says he can't perform this song live?

As far as live, no one could come close to really matching Prince.

As far as in the studio the only person who really comes to mind to match the moodiness and production is Phil Collins. I think "In the Air Tonight" is all the evidence I need for this particular view.

Maybe...just maybe Depeche mode might have pulled of a solid version based on some of their darker work but they don't capture the pure grit of "WDC" or "In the air tonight."

That's a pretty harsh response....but funny(ish).

I think the songs "When Doves Cry" and "In the Air Tonight" have enough similarities to make my case: the sparse production, the gritty nature of the performances, the compelling use of the linn drum machine, the layered vocals. Neither song sounds like anything else that was released at the time they were out. I'm not suggesting they are the same genre or comparing the overall artistry of Prince Or Collins, though I would say that Collins is one of the few artists who experimented with what pop music could sound like to a similar extent as Prince.

It is easy to knock collins because of the easy listening crap he started cranking out in the Disney phases of his caree, but that doesn't change the fact that he put out a song like "In the Air tonight" in 1981.

Just two more cents to throw on top of the two cents I threw in earlier...

"Jesus hairy fucking balls..." almost funny enough to not seem juvenille and rude.

RJOrion said:

lmao @ the visual of phil collins crawling naked out the bathtub across the floor like Skipper did...not cool

That is not something anyone would want to see lol and that I unfortunately unsee in my imagination.

kalelvisj said:

RJOrion said:

lmao @ the visual of phil collins crawling naked out the bathtub across the floor like Skipper did...not cool

Now that you mention that scene tho', I remember again how much Prince really put me off with that. I was only young and still into Michael Jackson and Madonna, but I was also interested in Prince.

But then he came up to you like this, I mean please dude, no I don't want to bath with you!!

kalelvisj said:

I think the songs "When Doves Cry" and "In the Air Tonight" have enough similarities to make my case: the sparse production, the gritty nature of the performances, the compelling use of the linn drum machine, the layered vocals. Neither song sounds like anything else that was released at the time they were out.

I think your argument has a leg to stand on. In the way that they both produced 'unique' hit songs, with a kind of an eery-like production and arrangement that others never came up with.

One cannot forget that Collins was part of Genesis for some time. Thinking about them, I would assert that 'Mama' would be an even better candidate to match with When Doves Cry.

It's similar in its eeriness and unique sound, coupled to a simple, catchy and repetetive melody, but also very personal lyrics about mothers and emotional vocals.

The lyrics seem to stem from the same kind of emotions that Prince is trying to express on WDC:

CynicKill said:

Is the Nude Tour version the one from Japan with the funky guitar lick and awesome piano solo?

Yeah, and the awesome bass, plus the sublime singing and dancing.

No idea why never performed it like this anymore after that. Because that version is fantastic!

can't link to the video of it of course, cuz that's "illegal", but I bet any 'hardcore jolly' out there has it.

I can offer you some more Genesis live tho!

Embrace said:

kalelvisj said:

I think the songs "When Doves Cry" and "In the Air Tonight" have enough similarities to make my case: the sparse production, the gritty nature of the performances, the compelling use of the linn drum machine, the layered vocals. Neither song sounds like anything else that was released at the time they were out.

I think your argument has a leg to stand on. In the way that they both produced 'unique' hit songs, with a kind of an eery-like production and arrangement that others never came up with.

One cannot forget that Collins was part of Genesis for some time. Thinking about them, I would assert that 'Mama' would be an even better candidate to match with When Doves Cry.

It's similar in its eeriness and unique sound, coupled to a simple, catchy and repetetive melody, but also very personal lyrics about mothers and emotional vocals.

I think you are right about "Mama" making a good comparison as well. I think I leaned toward "In the Air" because of the presence of the drum machine but as far as mood and vocals, "Mama" is probalby a better comparison.

kalelvisj said:

Embrace said:

I think your argument has a leg to stand on. In the way that they both produced 'unique' hit songs, with a kind of an eery-like production and arrangement that others never came up with.

One cannot forget that Collins was part of Genesis for some time. Thinking about them, I would assert that 'Mama' would be an even better candidate to match with When Doves Cry.

It's similar in its eeriness and unique sound, coupled to a simple, catchy and repetetive melody, but also very personal lyrics about mothers and emotional vocals.

I think you are right about "Mama" making a good comparison as well. I think I leaned toward "In the Air" because of the presence of the drum machine but as far as mood and vocals, "Mama" is probalby a better comparison.

Isn't it wonderful to agree?

I am just waiting now for King Sausage and his photoshop of Prince's skinny body with Phil Collins' big bold head attached to it, crawling out of the bathtub...

KingSausage said:

Phil Collins. Hahahahaha

I just have to.

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Patrick Bateman: Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.

(courtesy of IMDB)

KingSausage said:

PHIL COLLINS?!?? Jesus hairy fucking balls. Let's shut down the Org.

yep... i'm done

Prince wouldn't be able to do A Space Oddity... Ask Sheryl Crow

KingSausage said:

Bowie is my top favorite, right alongside Prince. But he couldn't do When Doves Cry.

Lovesexy tour version of WDC was the best... anything before and and after with those tours was a snooze fest... TITT was a bore at the DAP tour that ran for 8 minutes plus

Marrk said:

Embrace said:

Like Prince did?

The way he put it together, is sublime.

It's not just the bass that is left out. Because one could say that the kick drum is the bass.

It's the Lyrics that go along with the music like Einstein goes with science.

It's the entire composition, arrangement and performance of it that was put to record.

Just out of there!

But he can also kick it live. I remember SOTT and Lovesexy live. And oh the Nude tour version. Nobody can bring it like Prince can. The beats, the singing and playing, the soul....

Yeah, When Doves Cry is truly Awesome

and nothing ANY OTHER artists, songwriter and/or performer could have ever done.

But Prince

Is that too much credit to give him, or is it justified?

.

[Edited 2/2/15 16:52pm]

I've always thought WDC was shit when he does it live. Alright, not shit but underwhelming. Same with 'Kiss' too.

It's one of his very best recorded songs though no doubt.

It's kind of a silly question. You could pose this question about any big acts signature song that sold millions or was the biggest selling song of the year. Of course it's unique to them.

It's like saying who else could've painted the Mona lisa? Plenty could, but the original vision is what counts.

^I agree the LoveSexy tour version is also great, but wasn't it basically the same as the SOTT live version of it? You know, the sequence of Let's go crazy, When doves cry and Purple Rain?


And what is TITT?