A Revolution reunion will never happen, for the simple fact that Prince knows its what people want.

He likes to keep moving forward- even if the forward is crappy.

funksterr said:

As for the rest of what you said... I don't know what you want. I remeber reading something, on one of the fan boards about 8-10 years ago (likely Housequake), where a fan was complaining about Prince, or somebody, removing The Revolution name from something. The gist of that thread was that Prince was promoting The NPG as if it was the only band he'd ever had, and diminishing The Revolution in the process. People were likening the situation to George Lucas' Star Wars Special Editions makeovers and attempting to change the history of art, etc. I remember that I perceived, whatever problem they were talking about, as a non-US issue, and moved on. I don't know if that's the same thing Noodled24 mentioned or not, and I said so.... moving on.

It wasn't something that happened 10 years ago.

AFAIK The Revolution name was never removed from anything. What are you referencing with that?

The bands name was on a couple of album covers but in record stores everything was in the "Prince" section.

He later started crediting things to "Prince & The New Power Generation". Specifically D&P & the album.

funksterr said:

babynoz said:

Nah, more like what the voices in your head tell you.

Hold up... Who told you about the voices in my head?

Noodled24 said:

funksterr said:

As for the rest of what you said... I don't know what you want. I remeber reading something, on one of the fan boards about 8-10 years ago (likely Housequake), where a fan was complaining about Prince, or somebody, removing The Revolution name from something. The gist of that thread was that Prince was promoting The NPG as if it was the only band he'd ever had, and diminishing The Revolution in the process. People were likening the situation to George Lucas' Star Wars Special Editions makeovers and attempting to change the history of art, etc. I remember that I perceived, whatever problem they were talking about, as a non-US issue, and moved on. I don't know if that's the same thing Noodled24 mentioned or not, and I said so.... moving on.

It wasn't something that happened 10 years ago.

AFAIK The Revolution name was never removed from anything. What are you referencing with that?

The bands name was on a couple of album covers but in record stores everything was in the "Prince" section.

He later started crediting things to "Prince & The New Power Generation". Specifically D&P & the album.

Nah...that's not what I was saying at all. I'm not referencing album cover changes. I'm talking solely about changes in how retail displays the albums. I just remembered reading some fans complain of something similar years ago.

babynoz said:

funksterr said:

It's incorrect, no matter who is doing it. I heard something long ago about Prince trying to credit the NPG in some way and remove The Revolution credit in the same thing. I don't recall the details clearly, but maybe that is what you are seeing. Either way, in the US, Prince fans who lived through the PR era remember The Revolution.

The Revolution are definitely co-writers on those albums, as well as some other things that came out after Prince fired them. The same is also true of Morris Day, Dez Dickerson and Andre Cymone. The album may say Prince, and the credits are often murky or flat out wrong, but 9/10 times those bandmembers were contributing something to the songs.

Prince may have the WB contract that gives him all the credit, control, money and authority, but at the end of the day, he didn't make the records by himself.

You are wrong again and Noodled is right.

The average person does not know the names of Prince's band members. You're trying to avoid admitting that by saying they remember the name "Revolution"....that's not the same thing and you know it. You're trying to get around that fact.

Why won't you do what I suggested and prove it to yourself? Call up twenty random people on your contacts list and ask them to name the Revolution members off the top of their heads....I dare ya.

Prince is, was and always will be a solo act with a backing band. The Revolution era was cool for what it was but they are not the be all and end all of music history.

Secondly, you really shouldn't spread unfounded rumors based on heresay with no source to back it up about Prince allegedly trying to credit NPG with Revolution work? That's stooping pretty low.

What exactly is that supposed to prove? The average person couldn't name any members of the Rolling Stones other than Mick Jagger or Keith Richards.

You call up twenty random people on your contact list and ask them to name the members of the greatest band in all the land, that are the mighty elements - Earth, Wind and Fire. I dare ya.

The Revolution "era" as you call it, was not just some meaningless stepping stone of Prince's career. It WAS-IS-ALWAYSWILLBE the very foundation that it is built upon! For had it not been for that "era", we would so NOT be here, this very day, having this conversation. Don't think so? Remove ALL of The Revolution "era", then tell me at what point in the rest of Prince's illustrious solo career, would his sans The Revolution "era music have made him a super star? Go ahead, think about it. I'll wait.

I think it's meant to prove that Prince could put Greg, Marcia, Peter, Jan, Bobby, and Cindy on stage and call them the Revolution and the Org section would be the only ones pulling their hair out.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

babynoz said:

You are wrong again and Noodled is right.

The average person does not know the names of Prince's band members. You're trying to avoid admitting that by saying they remember the name "Revolution"....that's not the same thing and you know it. You're trying to get around that fact.

Why won't you do what I suggested and prove it to yourself? Call up twenty random people on your contacts list and ask them to name the Revolution members off the top of their heads....I dare ya.

Prince is, was and always will be a solo act with a backing band. The Revolution era was cool for what it was but they are not the be all and end all of music history.

Secondly, you really shouldn't spread unfounded rumors based on heresay with no source to back it up about Prince allegedly trying to credit NPG with Revolution work? That's stooping pretty low.

What exactly is that supposed to prove? The average person couldn't name any members of the Rolling Stones other than Mick Jagger or Keith Richards.

You call up twenty random people on your contact list and ask them to name the members of the greatest band in all the land, that are the mighty elements - Earth, Wind and Fire. I dare ya.

The Revolution "era" as you call it, was not just some meaningless stepping stone of Prince's career. It WAS-IS-ALWAYSWILLBE the very foundation that it is built upon! For had it not been for that "era", we would so NOT be here, this very day, having this conversation. Don't think so? Remove ALL of The Revolution "era", then tell me at what point in the rest of Prince's illustrious solo career, would his sans The Revolution "era music have made him a super star? Go ahead, think about it. I'll wait.

Just because Prince wrote and recorded some of our favorite music at a time when he chose to call his backing band "The Revolution" doesn't prove the band is important per se.

iZsaZsa said:

I think it's meant to prove that Prince could put Greg, Marcia, Peter, Jan, Bobby, and Cindy on stage and call them the Revolution and the Org section would be the only ones pulling their hair out.

Sad (perhaps), but true.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

babynoz said:

You are wrong again and Noodled is right.

The average person does not know the names of Prince's band members. You're trying to avoid admitting that by saying they remember the name "Revolution"....that's not the same thing and you know it. You're trying to get around that fact.

Why won't you do what I suggested and prove it to yourself? Call up twenty random people on your contacts list and ask them to name the Revolution members off the top of their heads....I dare ya.

Prince is, was and always will be a solo act with a backing band. The Revolution era was cool for what it was but they are not the be all and end all of music history.

Secondly, you really shouldn't spread unfounded rumors based on heresay with no source to back it up about Prince allegedly trying to credit NPG with Revolution work? That's stooping pretty low.

What exactly is that supposed to prove? The average person couldn't name any members of the Rolling Stones other than Mick Jagger or Keith Richards.

You call up twenty random people on your contact list and ask them to name the members of the greatest band in all the land, that are the mighty elements - Earth, Wind and Fire. I dare ya.

The Revolution "era" as you call it, was not just some meaningless stepping stone of Prince's career. It WAS-IS-ALWAYSWILLBE the very foundation that it is built upon! For had it not been for that "era", we would so NOT be here, this very day, having this conversation. Don't think so? Remove ALL of The Revolution "era", then tell me at what point in the rest of Prince's illustrious solo career, would his sans The Revolution "era music have made him a super star? Go ahead, think about it. I'll wait.

Read iZsa-Zsa's post if you still don't get it.

There are groups and there are solo acts with a backing band. Don't know the difference, that's your problem.

Secondly, just like every other stupid, subjective bit of hysterical hyperbole you routinely post, there is no consensus that EWF is the greatest band in the land...just something else that you pulled out of your ass.

Bands come and go....The Revolution was cool but they ain't coming back.....get over it.

iZsaZsa said:

I think it's meant to prove that Prince could put Greg, Marcia, Peter, Jan, Bobby, and Cindy on stage and call them the Revolution and the Org section would be the only ones pulling their hair out.

Pretty much,

babynoz said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

What exactly is that supposed to prove? The average person couldn't name any members of the Rolling Stones other than Mick Jagger or Keith Richards.

You call up twenty random people on your contact list and ask them to name the members of the greatest band in all the land, that are the mighty elements - Earth, Wind and Fire. I dare ya.

The Revolution "era" as you call it, was not just some meaningless stepping stone of Prince's career. It WAS-IS-ALWAYSWILLBE the very foundation that it is built upon! For had it not been for that "era", we would so NOT be here, this very day, having this conversation. Don't think so? Remove ALL of The Revolution "era", then tell me at what point in the rest of Prince's illustrious solo career, would his sans The Revolution "era music have made him a super star? Go ahead, think about it. I'll wait.

Read iZsa-Zsa's post if you still don't get it.

There are groups and there are solo acts with a backing band. Don't know the difference, that's your problem.

Secondly, just like every other stupid, subjective bit of hysterical hyperbole you routinely post, there is no consensus that EWF is the greatest band in the land...just something else that you pulled out of your ass.

Bands come and go....The Revolution was cool but they ain't coming back.....get over it.

My oh my. If what I post is just "stupid, subjective, bit of hysterical hyperbole that I routinely...pull out of my ass" - why the fuck are you personally hostile about it? What I express are my opinions, as everyone else here does, including you. Take from them whatever you like or don't, it really makes me not a bit of difference.

Now as far as The Revolution "coming back" or not is concerned, that is really not something your contemptuous opinion in regards to them has any control over. So you can take your "get over it" and gag off it, for all I care. I will say whatever I like and since that seems to bother you so much, I strongly suggest you scroll past my comments from now the fuck on.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

babynoz said:

Read iZsa-Zsa's post if you still don't get it.

There are groups and there are solo acts with a backing band. Don't know the difference, that's your problem.

Secondly, just like every other stupid, subjective bit of hysterical hyperbole you routinely post, there is no consensus that EWF is the greatest band in the land...just something else that you pulled out of your ass.

Bands come and go....The Revolution was cool but they ain't coming back.....get over it.

My oh my. If what I post is just "stupid, subjective, bit of hysterical hyperbole that I routinely...pull out of my ass" - why the fuck are you personally hostile about it? What I express are my opinions, as everyone else here does, including you. Take from them whatever you like or don't, it really makes me not a bit of difference.

Now as far as The Revolution "coming back" or not is concerned, that is really not something your contemptuous opinion in regards to them has any control over. So you can take your "get over it" and gag off it, for all I care. I will say whatever I like and since that seems to bother you so much, I strongly suggest you scroll past my comments from now the fuck on.

I have been scrolling past your comments for a while now because you have been posting a lot of increasingly shrill, odd and incoherent rants in recent months... but it was YOU who quoted and replied to MY post, not the other way around.

If you don't want to interact with me, then don't address me....simple.

babynoz said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

My oh my. If what I post is just "stupid, subjective, bit of hysterical hyperbole that I routinely...pull out of my ass" - why the fuck are you personally hostile about it? What I express are my opinions, as everyone else here does, including you. Take from them whatever you like or don't, it really makes me not a bit of difference.

Now as far as The Revolution "coming back" or not is concerned, that is really not something your contemptuous opinion in regards to them has any control over. So you can take your "get over it" and gag off it, for all I care. I will say whatever I like and since that seems to bother you so much, I strongly suggest you scroll past my comments from now the fuck on.

I have been scrolling past your comments for a while now because you have been posting a lot of increasingly shrill, odd and incoherent rants in recent months... but it was YOU who quoted and replied to MY post, not the other way around.

If you don't want to interact with me, then don't address me....simple.

Silly rabbit, I didn't have a problem with your posts. I was engaging in the conversation but now that I know how you feel in regards to me personally, fuck you too.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

babynoz said:

I have been scrolling past your comments for a while now because you have been posting a lot of increasingly shrill, odd and incoherent rants in recent months... but it was YOU who quoted and replied to MY post, not the other way around.

If you don't want to interact with me, then don't address me....simple.

Silly rabbit, I didn't have a problem with your posts. I was engaging in the conversation but now that I know how you feel in regards to me personally, fuck you too.

Yeah, the tone of your initial reply to me was real friendly and engaging...I felt all warm and fuzzy just reading it.

Even funksterr and myself traded a few barbs on this thread and managed to laugh it off with out effing each other, but....



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funksterr said:

Noodled24 said:

It wasn't something that happened 10 years ago.

AFAIK The Revolution name was never removed from anything. What are you referencing with that?

The bands name was on a couple of album covers but in record stores everything was in the "Prince" section.

He later started crediting things to "Prince & The New Power Generation". Specifically D&P & the album.

Nah...that's not what I was saying at all. I'm not referencing album cover changes. I'm talking solely about changes in how retail displays the albums. I just remembered reading some fans complain of something similar years ago.

Ok.

I'm not aware of that. AFAIK everything was simply credited to "Prince" until he later demanded it be credited to "Prince & TNPG"

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Thought so. Lol

In the future dont dish what you cant take.

babynoz said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Thought so. Lol In the future dont dish what you cant take.

I didn't dish shit that I can't take. You're the one that went on a diatribe about my comments in general and came at me, personally. I'm far from mad though because you really are a non-factor, where I'm concerned. It's simply just like I said and meant, now that I know how you personally feel, in regards to me, fuck you too. Point blank period.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

babynoz said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said: Thought so. Lol In the future dont dish what you cant take.

I didn't dish shit that I can't take. You're the one that went on a diatribe about my comments in general and came at me, personally. I'm far from mad though because you really are a non-factor, where I'm concerned. It's simply just like I said and meant, now that I know how you personally feel, in regards to me, fuck you too. Point blank period.

If you feel personally offended I am happy to publically apologize. I was referring to comments that I find outlandish, odd and decidedly different from how I have known you to be in the past.

I was criticizing those comments, not you personally and I'm not going to engage in who can drop the most f-bombs. I never said f you and I won't say it now.

So basically you are leaving it like you started it....so be it.

babynoz said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I didn't dish shit that I can't take. You're the one that went on a diatribe about my comments in general and came at me, personally. I'm far from mad though because you really are a non-factor, where I'm concerned. It's simply just like I said and meant, now that I know how you personally feel, in regards to me, fuck you too. Point blank period.

If you feel personally offended I am happy to publically apologize. I was referring to comments that I find outlandish, odd and decidedly different from how I have known you to be in the past.

I was criticizing those comments, not you personally and I'm not going to engage in who can drop the most f-bombs. I never said f you and I won't say it now.

So basically you are leaving it like you started it....so be it.

Oh? Now that's interesting. Because those very same comments have been about exactly what I find to be "outlandish, odd and decidedly different" in regards to how I have known Prince's music and his actions to be in the past. I've been criticizing that, not him personally. If Prince were to drop an f bomb on me about it, unlike him I'd actually understand. But very much like him, I still wouldn't give a damn!

So whatever, as far as you and I are concerned. It is what it is. I'm finished with it.

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

babynoz said:

If you feel personally offended I am happy to publically apologize. I was referring to comments that I find outlandish, odd and decidedly different from how I have known you to be in the past.

I was criticizing those comments, not you personally and I'm not going to engage in who can drop the most f-bombs. I never said f you and I won't say it now.

So basically you are leaving it like you started it....so be it.

Oh? Now that's interesting. Because those very same comments have been about exactly what I find to be "outlandish, odd and decidedly different" in regards to how I have known Prince's music and his actions to be in the past. I've been criticizing that, not him personally. If Prince were to drop an f bomb on me about it, unlike him I'd actually understand. But very much like him, I still wouldn't give a damn!

So whatever, as far as you and I are concerned. It is what it is. I'm finished with it.

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Gotta have the last word? Be my guest. The sun will still rise tomorrow....

funksterr said:

babynoz said:

You are wrong again and Noodled is right.

The average person does not know the names of Prince's band members. You're trying to avoid admitting that by saying they remember the name "Revolution"....that's not the same thing and you know it. You're trying to get around that fact.

Why won't you do what I suggested and prove it to yourself? Call up twenty random people on your contacts list and ask them to name the Revolution members off the top of their heads....I dare ya.

Prince is, was and always will be a solo act with a backing band. The Revolution era was cool for what it was but they are not the be all and end all of music history.

Secondly, you really shouldn't spread unfounded rumors based on heresay with no source to back it up about Prince allegedly trying to credit NPG with Revolution work? That's stooping pretty low.

Nah.. Wendy and Lisa are known to average Prince fans that lived through the Purple Rain era. Just like Sheila E., Vanity, Appolonia, and Morris Day. Bobby Z, Brown Mark and Matt Fink are not as known. Same with Brenda and Susan, Jellybean, Monte, The Family, etc. Wendy and Lisa were a tier above some of the other bandmembers in terms of fan recognition. It's a fact referrenced in a number of Prince bios, Uptown Mag, etc.

As for the rest of what you said... I don't know what you want. I remeber reading something, on one of the fan boards about 8-10 years ago (likely Housequake), where a fan was complaining about Prince, or somebody, removing The Revolution name from something. The gist of that thread was that Prince was promoting The NPG as if it was the only band he'd ever had, and diminishing The Revolution in the process. People were likening the situation to George Lucas' Star Wars Special Editions makeovers and attempting to change the history of art, etc. I remember that I perceived, whatever problem they were talking about, as a non-US issue, and moved on. I don't know if that's the same thing Noodled24 mentioned or not, and I said so.... moving on.

I think your REAL problem is that I said Prince had co-writers. That's what set you off: THE FACCCTTS. THE TRUUUUTTHH. Other human hands and minds affected those Prince records too, oooohh! You can't handle the thought of Prince not doing EVERYTHING by himself.

How come these minds could not produce their own quality work outside of the Revolution like Prince has?

Have you listened to solo projects of the Revolution Members???

I'm ambivalent. I became a fan during the Purple Rain era. If they do a reunion tour I will go, but if they dont I dont care.

Part of the great ride of being a Prince fan is getting to know the wide variety of musicians from each era of his career. Looking back I am happy he went that way and I dont care that the Purple Rain era was his biggest.

I personally prefer to see a PRINCE, ANDRE AND DEZ reunion. Now that is a show to see a billion times over from the Revolution.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

babynoz said:

You are wrong again and Noodled is right.

The average person does not know the names of Prince's band members. You're trying to avoid admitting that by saying they remember the name "Revolution"....that's not the same thing and you know it. You're trying to get around that fact.

Why won't you do what I suggested and prove it to yourself? Call up twenty random people on your contacts list and ask them to name the Revolution members off the top of their heads....I dare ya.

Prince is, was and always will be a solo act with a backing band. The Revolution era was cool for what it was but they are not the be all and end all of music history.

Secondly, you really shouldn't spread unfounded rumors based on heresay with no source to back it up about Prince allegedly trying to credit NPG with Revolution work? That's stooping pretty low.

What exactly is that supposed to prove? The average person couldn't name any members of the Rolling Stones other than Mick Jagger or Keith Richards.

You call up twenty random people on your contact list and ask them to name the members of the greatest band in all the land, that are the mighty elements - Earth, Wind and Fire. I dare ya.

The Revolution "era" as you call it, was not just some meaningless stepping stone of Prince's career. It WAS-IS-ALWAYSWILLBE the very foundation that it is built upon! For had it not been for that "era", we would so NOT be here, this very day, having this conversation. Don't think so? Remove ALL of The Revolution "era", then tell me at what point in the rest of Prince's illustrious solo career, would his sans The Revolution "era music have made him a super star? Go ahead, think about it. I'll wait.

I disagree. We dont have the type of power to predict what would have happened but listening to Andre and members of the Time speak about Prince and his approach to music in the early days tells me he was destined for something special. It could have been with any band member. that's just my opinion.

wonder505 said:

I'm ambivalent. I became a fan during the Purple Rain era. If they do a reunion tour I will go, but if they dont I dont care.

Part of the great ride of being a Prince fan is getting to know the wide variety of musicians from each era of his career. Looking back I am happy he went that way and I dont care that the Purple Rain era was his biggest.

I personally prefer to see a PRINCE, ANDRE AND DEZ reunion. Now that is a show to see a billion times over from the Revolution.

That's the whole point....one can state a preference without going out in left field.

wonder505 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

What exactly is that supposed to prove? The average person couldn't name any members of the Rolling Stones other than Mick Jagger or Keith Richards.

You call up twenty random people on your contact list and ask them to name the members of the greatest band in all the land, that are the mighty elements - Earth, Wind and Fire. I dare ya.

The Revolution "era" as you call it, was not just some meaningless stepping stone of Prince's career. It WAS-IS-ALWAYSWILLBE the very foundation that it is built upon! For had it not been for that "era", we would so NOT be here, this very day, having this conversation. Don't think so? Remove ALL of The Revolution "era", then tell me at what point in the rest of Prince's illustrious solo career, would his sans The Revolution "era music have made him a super star? Go ahead, think about it. I'll wait.

I disagree. We dont have the type of power to predict what would have happened but listening to Andre and members of the Time speak about Prince and his approach to music in the early days tells me he was destined for something special. It could have been with any band member. that's just my opinion.

I didn't ask for a prediction. Base it purely on what happened, just like you did in your question, "How come these minds could not produce their own quality work outside of the Revolution like Prince has?"

If Prince's career had began in the '90's sans The Revolution era, where exactly from that point on in all that he's done since, would he have become the super star that he is?

wonder505 said:

How come these minds could not produce their own quality work outside of the Revolution like Prince has?

Have you listened to solo projects of the Revolution Members???

Have you listened to Prince music without The Revolution??

funksterr said:

wonder505 said:

How come these minds could not produce their own quality work outside of the Revolution like Prince has?

Have you listened to solo projects of the Revolution Members???

Have you listened to Prince music without The Revolution??

Yes I have! and that's my point. Its listenable. The solo work from the Revolution members is not. but you'll never admit that.

They are different people..Different times...

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

wonder505 said:

I disagree. We dont have the type of power to predict what would have happened but listening to Andre and members of the Time speak about Prince and his approach to music in the early days tells me he was destined for something special. It could have been with any band member. that's just my opinion.

I didn't ask for a prediction. Base it purely on what happened, just like you did in your question, "How come these minds could not produce their own quality work outside of the Revolution like Prince has?"

If Prince's career had began in the '90's sans The Revolution era, where exactly from that point on in all that he's done since, would he have become the super star that he is?

That's fair enough but how far would the Revolution band members have taken him to that level without the movie?

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