please Prince,put this on the Purple Rain remaster!

There've been a lot of great leaks lately, so I don't think this is from the remaster. It's probably better to not get our hopes up. I think it would be best to assume that the PR ship has sailed until we hear word from Warner Bros.

Warner Bros., not Prince.

Shockedelicus said:

There've been a lot of great leaks lately, so I don't think this is from the remaster. It's probably better to not get our hopes up. I think it would be best to assume that the PR ship has sailed until we hear word from Warner Bros.

Warner Bros., not Prince.

Well, until Warner Bros call it off, here's hoping!

does this have the corridor speach?

dbpdexter said:

does this have the corridor speach?

Assuming it's the same one everyone's talking about, unfortunately no.

1) Why would this be a leak from the PR remaster? It seems unlikely any of the other recent leaks came directly from Prince. Why would he throw this out there? (Josh Welton would have been my guess but then we'd also likely have seen some newer songs leak too so they're likely as a result of a collector holding onto things or acquiring a new source)

2) WB Have released the song "Purple Rain" in the UK twice as a single since the turn of the millennium. First in 2009 and again in 2012. It reached #62 and #75 respectively. If that was them testing the water to see how much interest there would be in a PR Remaster then the outlook does not look good.

The Thriller remaster only sold about 3/4 million world wide - after it sold 60 million the first time round - and they had to drag in contemporary artists to remix the singles. Purple Rain sold 21 million first time round, and Prince doesn't have a million rabid fans who'll buy everything twice and bully their friends into buying it too.

Not to mention the fact that Purple Rain doesn't sound bad. It simply does not need a remaster. All the talk about extended versions and outtakes is wishful thinking.

Granted a PR remaster seems like the easiest way for WB to make some money off Prince. That or a greatest hits set that has focus on the 90's and consolidate the best songs people have likely never heard (VBO ).

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Hearing this now it very much doesn't sound like it's from the remaster, it's better than what we've had, but definitely not pristine, nice to get it though.

Noodled24 said:

1) Why would this be a leak from the PR remaster? It seems unlikely any of the other recent leaks came directly from Prince. Why would he throw this out there? (Josh Welton would have been my guess but then we'd also likely have seen some newer songs leak too)

2) WB Have released the song "Purple Rain" twice as a single since the turn of the millennium. First in 2009 and again in 2012. It reached #62 and #75 respectively. If that was them testing the water to see how much interest there would be in a PR Remaster then the outlook does not look good.

The Thriller remaster only sold about 3/4 million world wide - after it sold 60 million the first time round - and they had to drag in contemporary artists to remix the singles. Purple Rain sold 21 million first time round, and Prince doesn't have a million rabid fans who'll buy enverything twice and bully their friends into buying it too.

Not to mention the fact that Purple Rain doesn't sound bad. It simply does not need a remaster. All the talk about extended versions and outtakes is wishful thinking.

Granted a PR remaster seems like the easiest way for WB to make some money off Prince. That or a greatest hits set that has focus on the 90's. (VBO )

make it stopppppppppppppp

Noodled24 said:

Granted a PR remaster seems like the easiest way for WB to make some money off Prince.

Seems to be the easiest way for Prince to make money off WB...

I just listened to it and this version has been around in good quality for quite some time now. There's nothing new about this to me and it's the long unfinished version without the vocals in the second half of the song.

That sounds awful. It sounds tinny.

This recent leak prompted me to search my archives and I pulled out The Work, Volume 9. This edition contained an "enhanced" version of the "hallway speech" version (12:01 running time) and certain parts of the speech were crystal clear (by bootleg quality standards) while many parts were not. It was obviously a cut and paste job.

Always wondered, if certain portions of this version were crystal clear, why didn't a fully crystal clear version leak?

Speculation: I think the version on The Work, Volume 9 was assembled by Liberation. But please do not quote me on that.

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Wolfie87 said:

Looks like remastered PR is on its way ?

Yes. let's celebrate 31 years rather than 30, because.....why not

Noodled24 said:

1) Why would this be a leak from the PR remaster? It seems unlikely any of the other recent leaks came directly from Prince. Why would he throw this out there? (Josh Welton would have been my guess but then we'd also likely have seen some newer songs leak too so they're likely as a result of a collector holding onto things or acquiring a new source)

2) WB Have released the song "Purple Rain" in the UK twice as a single since the turn of the millennium. First in 2009 and again in 2012. It reached #62 and #75 respectively. If that was them testing the water to see how much interest there would be in a PR Remaster then the outlook does not look good.

The Thriller remaster only sold about 3/4 million world wide - after it sold 60 million the first time round - and they had to drag in contemporary artists to remix the singles. Purple Rain sold 21 million first time round, and Prince doesn't have a million rabid fans who'll buy everything twice and bully their friends into buying it too.

Not to mention the fact that Purple Rain doesn't sound bad. It simply does not need a remaster. All the talk about extended versions and outtakes is wishful thinking.

Granted a PR remaster seems like the easiest way for WB to make some money off Prince. That or a greatest hits set that has focus on the 90's and consolidate the best songs people have likely never heard (VBO ).

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Thriller remastered didn't have unreleased classic songs though.

Prince could add an album worth of amazing unreleased songs to Purple Rain remastered and tour for it with the Revolution. Not sure if he would sell millions since cd sales have been generally low but he could make a solid release and something memorable out of it.. Prince got a lot of stuff to work with.. MJ didn't

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I doubt that this is from any PR remaster--the bits where it sounds like the tape's being eaten I would assume wouldn't appear in a remaster--but it does sound better (if my memory serves) than what I already have.

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However, I have no idea what bluegangsta's screenshot really means. Could someone explain what I'm seeing here? Obviously it's an analysis of the file, but what does it tell us?

bluegangsta said:

If this is from a deluxe edition of Purple Rain, god help us for what the rest of the set sounds like and where it's sourced from.

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Milty2 said:

Isn't this just a slightly edited down version of one that's been around for a while - sounds identical to the 14.03 min version on the 30yrs of Unreleased funk boot ??

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i'm done searching for this. these music leak sites are horrible and don't yield anything in their search features, so if its intended for me to hear this in good quality, it WILL have to be on a PR remaster.

SMH

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

Noodled24 said:

1) Why would this be a leak from the PR remaster? It seems unlikely any of the other recent leaks came directly from Prince. Why would he throw this out there? (Josh Welton would have been my guess but then we'd also likely have seen some newer songs leak too so they're likely as a result of a collector holding onto things or acquiring a new source)

2) WB Have released the song "Purple Rain" in the UK twice as a single since the turn of the millennium. First in 2009 and again in 2012. It reached #62 and #75 respectively. If that was them testing the water to see how much interest there would be in a PR Remaster then the outlook does not look good.

The Thriller remaster only sold about 3/4 million world wide - after it sold 60 million the first time round - and they had to drag in contemporary artists to remix the singles. Purple Rain sold 21 million first time round, and Prince doesn't have a million rabid fans who'll buy everything twice and bully their friends into buying it too.

Not to mention the fact that Purple Rain doesn't sound bad. It simply does not need a remaster. All the talk about extended versions and outtakes is wishful thinking.

Granted a PR remaster seems like the easiest way for WB to make some money off Prince. That or a greatest hits set that has focus on the 90's and consolidate the best songs people have likely never heard (VBO ).

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Thriller remastered didn't have unreleased classic songs though.

Prince could add an album worth of amazing unreleased songs to Purple Rain remastered and tour for it with the Revolution. Not sure if he would sell millions since cd sales have been generally low but he could make a solid release and something memorable out of it.. Prince got a lot of stuff to work with.. MJ didn't

There is nothing to suggest there would be outtakes included for a PR remaster eitherthough.

Prince has sounded entirely unenthusiastic about the whole thing. Best case is a remaster of the album which wont sound much better but will be inexplicably louder. Worst case is Prince re-records the Purple Rain album. Which he's likely done he said as much back around the turn of the millenium. Speculation but - I'm sure he and 3rdeyegirl must have played the album front to back at some rehearsal.

It couldn't even be said that there is a buzz among fans for Purple Rain outtakes. There are only a handful of tracks anyone really cares about. Not to say that there isn't a wealth of amazing material from that time, there is, though mostly unheard. What songs were omitted from Purple Rain are people really looking for? People don't really want outtakes from the film, because we have a pretty limited insight as to which songs were specifically outtakes.

I'd love to hear the "Purple Rain 2" album Prince was quoted as talking about as much as anyone else on the org but we don't need a PR Remaster in order for that to happen, and certainly no reason to believe it would be included along side any PR Remaster.

It's SO obviously sounds like a bootleg to me. The sound has this typical "first gen TAPE" sound many other recent leaks had (that no mastered recording ever has) and some typical tapes distortions on it. The idea that it's a leak from a remastered source is quite ridiculous if you ask me.

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It sure sounds better than the previous version from 30 Years Of Unreleased Funk where, if I'm not mistaken, it had leaked for the first time ever. IDK about The Work but it wasn't on Work It 2.0 which I believe is the latest of those "complete outtakes series" from the early 2000's and predates 30 Years Of Unreleased Funk (correct me if I'm wrong on the chronology, though).

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To clarify things this is the original studio with the full Revolution band, which didn't make it to the album. ALL the other edits in circulation, including the album version, are from a second studio recording that only involved Prince, Wendy and Lisa.

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Unless we get a pretty extensive deluxe boxset with loads of outtakes and alternates I don't see this version making it to the remaster instead of a longer cut of the second recording, this second take being obviously much better and more dynamic overall (it was rerecorded for a good reason: P knew he could get more from that song and he did). My take is that either we'll get one of the 2 longest, 12 minutes versions of that one or possibly even the 7 minutes cut that was originally included on the album. Of course I'd rather have just every possible version on it but let's not dream: given how much of a mess the whole project seems to be at this point (Prince not interested and bashing WB, no announcement, no release, no nothing), it ain't gonna be a 10-CD's boxset.

Noodled24 said:

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

Thriller remastered didn't have unreleased classic songs though.

Prince could add an album worth of amazing unreleased songs to Purple Rain remastered and tour for it with the Revolution. Not sure if he would sell millions since cd sales have been generally low but he could make a solid release and something memorable out of it.. Prince got a lot of stuff to work with.. MJ didn't

There is nothing to suggest there would be outtakes included for a PR remaster eitherthough.

Prince has sounded entirely unenthusiastic about the whole thing. Best case is a remaster of the album which wont sound much better but will be inexplicably louder. Worst case is Prince re-records the Purple Rain album. Which he's likely done he said as much back around the turn of the millenium. Speculation but - I'm sure he and 3rdeyegirl must have played the album front to back at some rehearsal.

It couldn't even be said that there is a buzz among fans for Purple Rain outtakes. There are only a handful of tracks anyone really cares about. Not to say that there isn't a wealth of amazing material from that time, there is, though mostly unheard. What songs were omitted from Purple Rain are people really looking for? People don't really want outtakes from the film, because we have a pretty limited insight as to which songs were specifically outtakes.

I'd love to hear the "Purple Rain 2" album Prince was quoted as talking about as much as anyone else on the org but we don't need a PR Remaster in order for that to happen, and certainly no reason to believe it would be included along side any PR Remaster.

Him performing "Electric Intercourse" recently got some of fans assuming it would be included in PR remaster . If Prince decided to add unheard songs to Purple Rain remaster and tours with the Revolution he could create buzz.

and Prince never admits that he cares about his past

so It's no surprise that he hasn't shown that he's excited about it..

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The screenshots show that the wavefile has a lot of overload (clipping)...hence the sharp sound!

EddieC said:

I doubt that this is from any PR remaster--the bits where it sounds like the tape's being eaten I would assume wouldn't appear in a remaster--but it does sound better (if my memory serves) than what I already have.

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However, I have no idea what bluegangsta's screenshot really means. Could someone explain what I'm seeing here? Obviously it's an analysis of the file, but what does it tell us?

bluegangsta said:

If this is from a deluxe edition of Purple Rain, god help us for what the rest of the set sounds like and where it's sourced from.

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Noodled24 said:

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

Thriller remastered didn't have unreleased classic songs though.

Prince could add an album worth of amazing unreleased songs to Purple Rain remastered and tour for it with the Revolution. Not sure if he would sell millions since cd sales have been generally low but he could make a solid release and something memorable out of it.. Prince got a lot of stuff to work with.. MJ didn't

There is nothing to suggest there would be outtakes included for a PR remaster eitherthough.

Prince has sounded entirely unenthusiastic about the whole thing. Best case is a remaster of the album which wont sound much better but will be inexplicably louder. Worst case is Prince re-records the Purple Rain album. Which he's likely done he said as much back around the turn of the millenium. Speculation but - I'm sure he and 3rdeyegirl must have played the album front to back at some rehearsal.

It couldn't even be said that there is a buzz among fans for Purple Rain outtakes. There are only a handful of tracks anyone really cares about. Not to say that there isn't a wealth of amazing material from that time, there is, though mostly unheard. What songs were omitted from Purple Rain are people really looking for? People don't really want outtakes from the film, because we have a pretty limited insight as to which songs were specifically outtakes.

I'd love to hear the "Purple Rain 2" album Prince was quoted as talking about as much as anyone else on the org but we don't need a PR Remaster in order for that to happen, and certainly no reason to believe it would be included along side any PR Remaster.

There is no such thing as a "Purple Rain 2" album, all Prince said was "The easy thing woulda been doing PR2 and I did ATWIAD instead" (not an exact quote but that was the spirit). A PR2 album could certainly be compiled with outtakes from that same era, for that matter there probably would be enough material for a PR3, a PR4 and a PR5 while we're at it, but no unreleased album of that sort was compliled in 84 or 85.

Sounds tinny, doubt it's from the remaster.

How can this be 'remastered' when in fact the underlying content doesn't represent a master proper at all?

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This is clearly the already-circulating Summer 1983 Warehouse semi-live initial tracking take, with *some* additional work and overdubbing done at Sunset Sound. It has an appreciable amount of studio work to go to reach the completed, extended-length 'hallway speech' track from which the final album version has been edited. Many vocals, minor instrumental parts, and studio overdubs unused in the final version, many vocals to be added, and the beginning appears to have different elements to its vocal and instrumental tracks, to name some of its distinguishing features. I call this one the 'intermediate' demo take.

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And I believe I have heard this in better quality than this supposedly 'new leak' offers. This exact version has been in wide circulation in similar or perhaps better sound quality for at least 5-10 years.

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In the *extreme unlikelihood* that an extended take of 'Computer Blue' should appear as a bonus track on any yet-to-materialize official WB remaster or collection in the near future, certainly it would be derived from the full-length Sunset master, and not this early-stage, quite rough 'work-in-progress' form of it.

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And an extended version on a PR remaster as a bonus would likely be the ~8 minute edit that narrowly missed the final album. (As heard on the 'Studio Nights' boot of yesteryear)

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But we shouldn't hold our breath even on that.

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[Edited 1/11/15 15:04pm]

databank said:

There is no such thing as a "Purple Rain 2" album, all Prince said was "The easy thing woulda been doing PR2 and I did ATWIAD instead" (not an exact quote but that was the spirit). A PR2 album could certainly be compiled with outtakes from that same era, for that matter there probably would be enough material for a PR3, a PR4 and a PR5 while we're at it, but no unreleased album of that sort was compliled in 84 or 85.

I didn't mean to imply there actually was a PR2. He implys in the quote he has enough commercial songs to compile another album in the vein of Purple Rain. - I'd love to hear that as much as anyone. But other than being recorded around the same era there are few songs that have any known link to the film.

Compared to SOTT. Where Prince was forced to strip down Crystal Ball. - Here there is a legitimate need for an improvement in sound on the CD. Also a legitimate call to add the outtakes. The only way you could do that with PR is to make it a true soundtrack and add in the other bands songs. Resulting in a version of Purple Rain resembling Graffiti Bridge

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Milty2 said:

That sounds awful. It sounds tinny.

I agree. Too tinny.

I had the opportunity to speak with W&L after a performance some years ago. According to what they described to me, and I will say it was gracious of them spend the time answering my questions, but which may nevertheless be an oversimplified and colored version of the actual history, the album *that would end up* as SOTT (*not necessarily* any of the tracks specifically contained on that final album, however) was always for a number of years (since late 1984 or early 1985) the "collective vision" of what would be the first proper post-PR album (beginning with 'All Day, All Night', 'Our Destiny', 'Strange Relationship', etc. as some titles seriously considered at that very earliest stage of conception, and not intended for formal album release until after whatever the marketing and promotion for UTCM would entail, with late 1986 as the earliest presumed release date).

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As they described it, the ATWIAD album was a essentially a lark (being a somewhat haphazard panoramic of then-unheard 1984 studio material, some of which *I* believe was recorded with a more direct post-PR project in mind than the one described here), and Parade was another film soundtrack (some tracks considered for this project redlettered for additional work for potential use on one or more of these pre/proto-SOTT concepts, including obviously DF).

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Around Spring/Summer 1986, that notion temporarily developed into approximately 'two double-albums' worth' of *viable* material, which *might have* materialized as *two* double-album P&TR releases, in ~late 1986 and ~1988, *had* the Revolution not disbanded in a theoretical alternate universe. [This alluded-to material, most of which I believe we have heard in official release or bootleg in one form or another by now, would of course *not* all necessarily be actual P/Revolution collaborations any more than some tracks given that attribution on earlier album efforts were]

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Some of that unused 1985/86 material appeared in further-reworked form on GB (ICSTFIG and WCF, both initially tracked 1983, but revisited in 1985/86) and elsewhere. JIR obviously directly from CB, and QOY a 1987-overdubbed 1985 outtake that stands on its own. The 1983 WCF that appeared in further reworked form on GB (which appears to have still been 'We Can Fuck' until 1988/1989 when it was considered for use by George Clinton) was always the version that was seriously considered for official release at the time.

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WB gave P the concession of releasing, if he had so happened to act on the opportunity, a second album (TBA) in 1987, in place of a triple album CB (after worries of its commercial prospects in light of the prior two years). Even if P's artistic muse was compromised in rendering CB, with some additional work, into a double album, being given the opportunity to have another major commercial release (with what may be another concession in having no artist attribution to limit interference with the main product, SOTT, but accomplished in a brilliant marketing way consistent with P's penchant for mystique) is a *major* privilege that goes overlooked by those attacking WB on CB.

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Tangents from my thoughts on how W&L answered some of my questions:

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My speculations are: that ultimately withdrawing the release of TBA in 1987, hot on the heels of SOTT, was less a matter of true 'spirtual reawakening' amounting in Lovesexy, and more a bargaining chip (this time from P's end) used to pave the way to WB permitting and arranging financing for another substantial film project (which became GB).

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[That isn't to say that he didn't intentionally pattern Lovesexy around more positive material that might contrast with the heavily bootlegged aborted album]

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And perhaps the SOTT Movie was partial appeasement to both sides; to fill in for a lack of US-side touring promotion for WB, and for Prince an opportunity to further bask in the European comfort zone he established with their more positive reception of Parade, and mutually as a stand-in feature for an unrealized (and most likely shot-down) Coco Boys/The Dawn/etc. film project that may have been commercially hazardous in the same way the GB film proved to be (just as a triple-album release after ATWIAD/negative-1985 publicity/Parade/UTCM was feared to be too risky).

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P seems to have been given a [tentative] promise of a parallel film career of 3 or 4 more films, in the height of the PR phenomenon (with UTCM promised to him perhaps even before the full 'lab results' on the PR film itself came back), but the nitty-gritty details are mostly absent in the limited rumor and innuendo we have been privy to.

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Perhaps also the suggestion that allowing a second major commercial album release in the same year as SOTT as a 'concession' for abridging CB is false, and that perhaps TBA became the ultimate product filling the album-release-schedule spot previously set aside much earlier for 'Camille' (which isn't necessarily incompatible with the a less charitable theory to why TBA was later withdrawn), and CB really did simply 'get the axe' by overbearing Warner management.

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(Or maybe WB or P's own management were never fully comfortable with Camille as a free-standing product, and that is *part* of how CB inflated to a singular triple-album in the first place)

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Noodled24 said:

databank said:

There is no such thing as a "Purple Rain 2" album, all Prince said was "The easy thing woulda been doing PR2 and I did ATWIAD instead" (not an exact quote but that was the spirit). A PR2 album could certainly be compiled with outtakes from that same era, for that matter there probably would be enough material for a PR3, a PR4 and a PR5 while we're at it, but no unreleased album of that sort was compliled in 84 or 85.

I didn't mean to imply there actually was a PR2. He implys in the quote he has enough commercial songs to compile another album in the vein of Purple Rain. - I'd love to hear that as much as anyone. But other than being recorded around the same era there are few songs that have any known link to the film.

Compared to SOTT. Where Prince was forced to strip down Crystal Ball. - Here there is a legitimate need for an improvement in sound on the CD. Also a legitimate call to add the outtakes.

[Edited 1/11/15 17:58pm]