* So, let's say that Prince is an African descendant whose bloodline was forcibly miscegenated to AfriEuro. That is--more than likely he's part of the West African bloodline that was forced to America through slavery, miscegenated along the way, and, then, possibly, there was additional DNA exchange by choice. (not by Prince's parents because they are both, technically, black, but by others earlier in their bloodline.) With that said, the issue remains that many people on this site have issues when Prince embraces an Afrocentric aesthetic: hair, women, bandmates, lyrical subject matter, etc. * We can agree to disagree about the fro needing styling. Maybe because I'm familiar with African Americans (Some of whom choose to call ourselves Africans because culture and sensibilities can have deeper roots and remain unbroken even if the DNA becomes fragmented.) normally wearing their hair asymmetrical, it seems "styled" perfectly fine to me. Now, of course, that's an aesthetic taste or sensibility, but it says something that so many threads are created to denounce the wearing of his natural style/texture and now to denounce that it isn't symmetrical. * Now, I'm cool with the fro being asymmetrical or symmetrical, but the bigness of it enhances how skinny he is, making him look like a human lollipop. However, if looking like a human lollipop doesn't bother him, it certainly isn't going to bother me enough to create a thread about it or continue to complain about it for over a year now. This constant complaining about Prince's naturally styled hair reflects that many on this site have issues whenever Prince embraces an Afrocentric aesthetic. | |
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will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Prince is sooo fine, I love his hair then and now what is this thread about anyway? [Edited 12/4/14 17:14pm] | |
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Prince should bring back the soul glo! That'd be the shit...
[Edited 12/4/14 17:19pm] Change it one more time.. | |
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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams | |
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U have got to learn to form an opinion lol nothing I said is so hard to understand when dealing with biology. Step outside of social political idealogy for a minute
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Prince talked about it in a few 1997/98 interviews that his mother was possible part Black part something else. I like they way you elongated African - American. nicely put
. here is another with a head piece, I thought of you and your dislike of the UTCM gold head piece he wore
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Ok, Go ahead make anything U want him 2 b in your mind, But eye know what he has been since he entered this world. will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. | |
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* Admitting that there is subjectivity in all of this, what's funny is that I actually like this photo even though the head dress is similar to UTCM. But, this one doesn't cover his head as much, and the head dress and the 'fro seem to combine in some "interesting" consummation. * I think you first posted the Bob Ross pic. I love Ross. My father and I spent a many Saturday afternoons watching him paint, teach, and pontificate on PBS. God, I love PBS. My mother and father exposed me to so much wonderful art, but those Saturday evenings watching my father--a Vietnam Vet and Civil Rights activist--"gush" over Ross' creative process still has a special place for me. My father still says, "Now, son, maybe there's a tree that lives right back here...can't you see it?" Returning to our conversation, Ross' 'fro is definitely an example of cultural exchange. And, of course, there is nothing wrong with cultural exchange as long as one party isn't embracing something from another party because they view themselves as inferior. That's what always bothered me about celebrating Madam CJ Walker's financial success because all she really did was earn a fortune by pimping African people's self-hatred. I'm not saying she wasn't a smart business woman, but, more than anything, she understand that African people, especially African Americans, would do anything to erase as much of their African heritage as possible to be accepted by/into the white power structure. * I remember Prince discussing his mother's heritage, but in 1980 in three different articles of February, March, and April, Prince couldn't even keep the lie straight of his parents' heritage, and the so-called journalist couldn't be bothered to challenge the manner in which he kept changing his parents' heritage. Based on Dave Hill's book and C. Liegh McInnis' additional interviews, most people seem to identify both his parents, comfortably, as African American, but I'll admit that I wouldn't be shocked if either, especially his mother, was quarter this or one/eight that. | |
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I'm not making him anything. I'm not defining any 'racial' identification. I'm talking about biology. I'm talking about nature. | |
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I hate to break it to you, but your DNA is no better or worse than that of any other race. I also hate to be there bearer of fairy-tale-ruining news, but 'culture' and 'sensibilities' have nothing to do with DNA and everything to do with upbringing and environment. You can believe in all the magic you want as that is certainly your right, but let's leave the racial superiority/purity bullshit to the KKK, shall we? | |
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* Excuse me, but can your dumbass read? I never one time said Negroid or African or African American people are superior to anyone. Also, I've said nothing about DNA other than how DNA defines a person or group's physical/biological make-up or construct. As such, while forced miscegenation has changed the physical/biological make-up or construct of African/Negroid people, many African/Negroid people, especially African Americans, have continued to embrace "culture and sensibilities" that originated in West Africa and that "culture and sensibilities" have been maintained in various ways in America. Thus, are you so effin' stupid that you don't understand the cultural history of African Americans? Now, what relates DNA and culture to this discussion is that Prince wearing his hair in its natural/biological, asymmetrical style seems to bother so many people who would rather that Prince continue to adhere to a Eurocentric style, and, if that bothers you, then you need to deal with your racism rather than trying to fabricate racism in anything that I've said. * Now, let's engage history 101. African/Negroid DNA has been changed due to intermingling with Greek, Asian, and other groups during the Egyptian period and by forced miscegenation by white colonizers/enslavers after the Roman conquest of Africa. Do you refute the history of this? Along with this historical occurrence of physical oppression, African/Negroid people, through American slavery and Jim Crow, suffered psychological oppression that attempted to force them to view themselves as inferior to Caucasian people--especially to view their skin color, noses, lips, hips, hair, and culture (art/rituals) as all inferior to Caucasians. Do you refute the history of this? As a response to this, part of the Civil Rights and Black Power Movements was to refute the developed self-hated in African/Negroid/African Americans by celebrating African/Negroid physical features as well as culture and sensibilities original to the continent of Africa. Do you refute the history of this? Or, do you consider James Brown's "Say It Loud (I'm Black and I'm Proud)" as racist also? So, based on all of this history, it seems strange to me when fans of Prince have an issue with him embracing and celebrating the beauty of his natural hair. So, again, not one time have I indicated that my DNA or the DNA of African/Negroid/African American people is better than the DNA of anyone else. As such, your overly angry reaction can only mean that you are the type of person who cannot stand or fathom why an African/Negroid/African American would find beauty in and embrace something connected to African/Negroid culture rather than trying to assimilate into or embrace a European aesthetic. And, that says what about you??? I think your white sheet is showing...Nice try with the reverse racism angle, but truth will always stand on its own. | |
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Yeah looking back, it did fit his head in an overbearing way. One of my favorite suite though
the Pretty trees, dude was calm and skilled. But I'm a big 1970s fan and seeing Italians, Puerto Ricans, Jews/Hebrews and others with afro was nothing. the 1960s and into the 70s especially people were going 'natural' in all kinds of ways especially hair. I saw Welcome Back Kotter for the first time in a long time a few weeks ago. . the short period in the 1980s when Prince would do interviews 1982-1986 followed by the 1997-1998 years are when Prince gave the best interviews.
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* Wow...that's not a head wrap; that's a lampshade. :^) But, Prince is still rocking it though he looks as if he'd be right at home with my grandmother and her church group. :^) * Remember that the afro is an outgrowth of the "natural," of the late Fifties and early Sixties, when African Americans were simply removing the chemicals from their hair to reject the desire to look more European and embrace that "black is beautiful". As the song states, "How you gon' get respect when you ain't cut yo' process yet?" And for the other folks on this site--not you--I must add that African American embracing Negroid/African features as being beautiful is not tantamount to asserting that white is not. The Afro was merely a stylistic exaggeration of "the natural"--a moment/movement of African Americans to do something grand that would make it clear that they were rejecting the notion that African/Negroid features were inferior. Of course, the Afro or "natural" wooly hair is not exclusive to African Americans, as people of color all over the globe with naturally wooly hair, be they Jewish, Italian, Puerto Rican, or whatever, have had some aspect of a 'fro. But it was the Black Power Movement that made the Afro a cultural icon/statement in the same way that African American culture has always been a major driving force in American and global culture/style. Bo Derrek wasn't a Ten until she wore braids; yet, sisters had been wearing braids for years and were never considered a perfect ten by Hollywood. * I've never had a problem with Prince's interviews, per se, but moreso that so few journalists have had the skill and courage to interview him in a way to get him to discuss music and race in a complex manner consistently. (Even if one is worried about upsetting or offending an icon, one should have the skills to get the man to talk in-depth about music and culture. But, most pop magazines don't want that anyway.) The 1983 interview with Carol Cooper, "Prince: Someday your Prince Will Come" in The Face comes closest to what I'd like to see. I've also heard that in the two chapters that Prince completed with C. Liegh McInnis for that book that Prince was planning to write Prince really said some interesting things about fatherhood and racial independence. Too bad that project was scrapped. | |
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We don't have to speculate. We had a thread a while back where an expert traced Prince's family tree but hardly anybody wanted to talk about the actual facts of his lineage and the thread died out quickly. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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No wonder he stays in Europe so much. Imagine all those relatives come ringing his doorbell. | |
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* Yep, this type of information destroys the myth that so many desire to have that Prince is "different" than the "common" Negro and should, therefore, act as much unlike what they consider the "common" Negro to be...whatever that is. What's sad is that for some Prince can't be a rebel individual and African American; For them, Prince being "black/African American" and embracing issues common to a great deal of African Americans limits or minimizes his ability to be a creative individual/rebel. | |
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WTF? Are you serious? | |
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How many orgers you think right now are working the chart out trying to figure out how Prince and they are related by blood. | |
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I remember when comedian Eddie Griffin revealed he was 's cousin. That lasted a few seconds in the press. But if Jerry Seinfield or even George Lopez would have revealed that. It would have been the top story on every news channel. . [Edited 12/9/14 7:28am] will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. | |
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