good sh*t ...by the way

luvsexy4all said:

why wouldnt he be shutting sites down like crazy if he wasnt behind this stuff?

It takes time to shut down sites. For that matter, he has shut down many sites and blogs run by fans.

Prince is "behind this stuff" in the sense that he's given tapes to his associates, girlfriends and others rather carelessly in the past. Those tapes have ultimately ended up in the bootleggers' hands. In a way it's all his own fault, but it's not very likely that all the stuff with questionable sound quality would have been uploaded by him to the Internet.

Brilliant. Already one of my favourite jazz related, instrumental projects from Prince.

Already another source leaked. Same tracks better artwork. Better sound is subjectable. Sounds about same to me. file sizes are different

databank said:

Just realized the bassline @ 4:30 on Junk Music was reused in the ending jam of the Nude Tour, with a James Brown sample.

Sounds very similar. I'm pretty sure the bassline in the Nude Tour is part of the James Brown sample, though - can't remember the name of the song off the top of my head*. Quite a lot of James Brown samples on that tour - the first few seconds of I'm A Greedy Man are particularly recognisable.

* Found it. Listen to 01:40 into Get On The Good Foot.

[Edited 11/12/14 16:01pm]

[Edited 11/12/14 16:03pm]

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Already another source leaked. Same tracks better artwork. Better sound is subjectable. Sounds about same to me. file sizes are different

Like to see the better artwork. The grapefruit, or whatever that was, was atrocious.

novabrkr said:

luvsexy4all said:

why wouldnt he be shutting sites down like crazy if he wasnt behind this stuff?

It takes time to shut down sites. For that matter, he has shut down many sites and blogs run by fans.

Prince is "behind this stuff" in the sense that he's given tapes to his associates, girlfriends and others rather carelessly in the past. Those tapes have ultimately ended up in the bootleggers' hands. In a way it's all his own fault, but it's not very likely that all the stuff with questionable sound quality would have been uploaded by him to the Internet.

Prince doesn't leak anything, all those recordings are indeed from tapes he gave to associates at the time, something he totally ceased to do after 1995, hence the total lack of outtakes ever since. Up until 95 he was reported to distribute tapes all around to musicians, Paisley Park staff, associated artists, girlfiends, WB execs... That's quite impressive given the hundreds of recording out there but it seems they all come from those tapes he gave away. According to Alan Leeds, Prince was quite upset when he realized all those tracks were out there and investigations were even made at PP at some point, but they couldn't find any evidence that anything had been stolen from the vault, so the tapes were the only possible source. For some years Prince kept distributing tapes despite being aware that they may end-up on boots eventually, then finally in 95 he decided it was enough and kept all his stuff for himself. Associates from the past 20 years testified that they would never get a tape: they had to go to the studio to record their part without any recording given to them prior to that for practice nor afterwards (meaning if the stuff wasn't released they don't have a copy at all). The only time a statement was made that opposed that theory was once made here: some orger claimed he knew people who'd been charged by Prince to contact bootleg labels and sell them the tapes of the whole Studio Nights and City Nights collections back in 95. Given how little bootleg labels can pay by Prince's standard, given that the collection also contained recordings by André Cymone and BrowMark, given that it wouldn't go past 1986 and even more given the fact that the collection contains very embarrassing recordings (the 76 demos!), I find this quite unlikely and the common consensus on the Org is that either that person lied or was lied to.

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Prince has also constantly harrassed and shut down bootlegs websites, even fanzines publishing reviews of bootlegs for chrissakes! The last "clean-up" was only a few month ago! So IDK where the assessment that he doesn't come from (a new fan I guess).

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+ the mere notion that Prince would leak stuff NOW of all times, when he actually has regained rights over his full catalogue and is now free to make money with it, is ridiculous.

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But anyway for any negationist who still wouldn't be convinced, truth is that we usually do know who leaks the stuff. When I say "we" I don't mean "I" or "everyone", but people in the know know, it's not like the shit pops-up from nowhere. Outtakes are often being tagged, discreet tags on the recording, so whoever gives/sells a copy to someone knows that it's their own copy that's leaked if/when it happens. Many of the recent leaks were also known for years to be circulating in some circles, and when one had read threads on this forum and other fan forums for as long as I have, one can pretty much understand how things work when it comes to "elite" collectors, outtakes trading and leaks. Some people have told quite a few interesting stories on this very forum. Now it seems among the "old" collectors there are people who think it's time to leak the stuff and some who don't and some of those people have been arguing about this for years. There are also people who give stuff to a good friend, or sell it for several hundred bucks, in exchange for the promise that it won't be leaked, but the new owner eventually break their word and leaks it (or give it to someone who does). The whole story's been more or less told on the Org for the past 15 years, one just needs to read every past thread about outtakes to figure it out.

.

So one needs to understand that this is not an open debate or a matter of opinion. When there are loads of elements indicating that something is A and no tangible element to suggest that it may be B, a rational approach has to accept it for being A until new solid elements have surfaced. So far, no such solid elements have, there isn't a single little thing to suggest that Prince may have purposedly leaked a single bootleg his entire life. Give me one and we can re-open the debate. Until then, there's simply no debate.

sulls said:

Like to see the better artwork.

Any one make up a cover? Preferably a hot girl showing some flesh, i know that doesnt fit the music

Romeoblu said:

I just love this. Junk Music could just keep on going. This has lived up to my expectations. I hadn't listened to Gotta Shake something for years as for me it never really had a home. Now it does and I've started to really enjoy it.

Definately and having heard the 1985 Birthday show/Masquarade ball show for the first time last month, I'm reminded why 1985/1986 was an electric year I love the combination of all those musicians

a challenge to any Org artists to create an original Flesh cover art piece?

KingSausage said:

Are we positive it's Prince drumming?

I don't think anyone knows, but it does sound just like Prince's drum stylings from that era on 3 of the songs. Sheila is mos def in the mix, too. Percussion at the very least.

Prince

Sheila E

Levi

Eric

Lisa Coleman

Wendy Melvoin

Jonathon Melvoin

.

(just noting the instruments these people played)

Prince of course played drums, bass guitar, piano/keyboards/organ

Sheila E (drums, percussion, some bass guitar)

Levi (most likely at this time bass, but also played guitar)

Eric (flute, sax or wind instruments)

Lisa Coleman (piano, keyboards, sitar, wooden flute)

Wendy Melvoin ( guitar, congas, steel drums bass guitar)

Jonathon Melvoin (keyboards/piano/drums tambourine and other instruments)

so that could be anything

databank said:

novabrkr said:

[...]

Prince doesn't leak anything, all those recordings are indeed from tapes he gave to associates at the time, something he totally ceased to do after 1995, hence the total lack of outtakes ever since. Up until 95 he was reported to distribute tapes all around to musicians, Paisley Park staff, associated artists, girlfiends, WB execs... That's quite impressive given the hundreds of recording out there but it seems they all come from those tapes he gave away. According to Alan Leeds, Prince was quite upset when he realized all those tracks were out there and investigations were even made at PP at some point, but they couldn't find any evidence that anything had been stolen from the vault, so the tapes were the only possible source. For some years Prince kept distributing tapes despite being aware that they may end-up on boots eventually, then finally in 95 he decided it was enough and kept all his stuff for himself. Associates from the past 20 years testified that they would never get a tape: they had to go to the studio to record their part without any recording given to them prior to that for practice nor afterwards (meaning if the stuff wasn't released they don't have a copy at all). The only time a statement was made that opposed that theory was once made here: some orger claimed he knew people who'd been charged by Prince to contact bootleg labels and sell them the tapes of the whole Studio Nights and City Nights collections back in 95. Given how little bootleg labels can pay by Prince's standard, given that the collection also contained recordings by André Cymone and BrowMark, given that it wouldn't go past 1986 and even more given the fact that the collection contains very embarrassing recordings (the 76 demos!), I find this quite unlikely and the common consensus on the Org is that either that person lied or was lied to.

.

Prince has also constantly harrassed and shut down bootlegs websites, even fanzines publishing reviews of bootlegs for chrissakes! The last "clean-up" was only a few month ago! So IDK where the assessment that he doesn't come from (a new fan I guess).

.

+ the mere notion that Prince would leak stuff NOW of all times, when he actually has regained rights over his full catalogue and is now free to make money with it, is ridiculous.

.

But anyway for any negationist who still wouldn't be convinced, truth is that we usually do know who leaks the stuff. When I say "we" I don't mean "I" or "everyone", but people in the know know, it's not like the shit pops-up from nowhere. Outtakes are often being tagged, discreet tags on the recording, so whoever gives/sells a copy to someone knows that it's their own copy that's leaked if/when it happens. Many of the recent leaks were also known for years to be circulating in some circles, and when one had read threads on this forum and other fan forums for as long as I have, one can pretty much understand how things work when it comes to "elite" collectors, outtakes trading and leaks. Some people have told quite a few interesting stories on this very forum. Now it seems among the "old" collectors there are people who think it's time to leak the stuff and some who don't and some of those people have been arguing about this for years. There are also people who give stuff to a good friend, or sell it for several hundred bucks, in exchange for the promise that it won't be leaked, but the new owner eventually break their word and leaks it (or give it to someone who does). The whole story's been more or less told on the Org for the past 15 years, one just needs to read every past thread about outtakes to figure it out.

.

So one needs to understand that this is not an open debate or a matter of opinion. When there are loads of elements indicating that something is A and no tangible element to suggest that it may be B, a rational approach has to accept it for being A until new solid elements have surfaced. So far, no such solid elements have, there isn't a single little thing to suggest that Prince may have purposedly leaked a single bootleg his entire life. Give me one and we can re-open the debate. Until then, there's simply no debate.

He did pretend to leak some tracks just two years ago (as "3rdeyegirl" before it became the band name), so it's not so far-fetched to think that he might do it in a more discreet manner one day. What he "leaked" was all new material though and it didn't sound like the 30th generation cassette copy of an 80s track that someone's applied drastic EQ boosts on afterwards to make the content more audible.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince

Sheila E

Levi

Eric

Lisa Coleman

Wendy Melvoin

Jonathon Melvoin

.

(just noting the instruments these people played)

Prince of course played drums, bass guitar, piano/keyboards/organ

Sheila E (drums, percussion, some bass guitar)

Levi (most likely at this time bass, but also played guitar)

Eric (flute, sax or wind instruments)

Lisa Coleman (piano, keyboards, sitar, wooden flute)

Wendy Melvoin ( guitar, congas, steel drums bass guitar)

Jonathon Melvoin (keyboards/piano/drums tambourine and other instruments)

so that could be anything

Nah.. It's Prince on drums, Lisa on piano, Eric on sax, Sheila on percussion, Wendy on guitar. Johanthan I'm not sure. Cowbell?

A Couple of Miles has Prince on all intruments except sax.

The album really showcases Prince's skills as a drummer.

novabrkr said:

He did pretend to leak some tracks just two years ago (as "3rdeyegirl" before it became the band name), so it's not so far-fetched to think that he might do it in a more discreet manner one day. What he "leaked" was all new material though and it didn't sound like the 30th generation cassette copy of an 80s track that someone's applied drastic EQ boosts on afterwards to make the content more audible.

The 1997 "NYC" tape, on the other hand, had a pretty crappy sound. "4th Generation Bootleg"... I still can't believe I paid 20 USD for 2 songs...

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince

Sheila E

Levi

Eric

Lisa Coleman

Wendy Melvoin

Jonathon Melvoin

.

(just noting the instruments these people played)

Prince of course played drums, bass guitar, piano/keyboards/organ

Sheila E (drums, percussion, some bass guitar)

Levi (most likely at this time bass, but also played guitar)

Eric (flute, sax or wind instruments)

Lisa Coleman (piano, keyboards, sitar, wooden flute)

Wendy Melvoin ( guitar, congas, steel drums bass guitar)

Jonathon Melvoin (keyboards/piano/drums tambourine and other instruments)

so that could be anything

Nah.. It's Prince on drums, Lisa on piano, Eric on sax, Sheila on percussion, Wendy on guitar. Johanthan I'm not sure. Cowbell?

A Couple of Miles has Prince on all intruments except sax.

The album really showcases Prince's skills as a drummer.

and U just had to spot and highlight the one part I forgot to remove lol

^ that was a cut n paste from the locked 'The Flesh has leaked' thread

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I just wanted to post the musicians involved and the instruments they could play

I know that is Prince on the drums

Also I thought U Gotta Shake Something was live?

olb99 said:

The 1997 "NYC" tape, on the other hand, had a pretty crappy sound. "4th Generation Bootleg"... I still can't believe I paid 20 USD for 2 songs...

I could swear I paid $5 plus shipping for that one straight from 1800NEWFUNK, right when it came out...

OldFriends4Sale said:

Also I thought U Gotta Shake Something was live?

I thought live sounds were mixed in to make it "sound" live...

djThunderfunk said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Also I thought U Gotta Shake Something was live?

I thought live sounds were mixed in to make it "sound" live...

hold on, let me take another listen lol

My Parade era playlist is now complete, I can add some Junk Music in

OldFriends4Sale said:

djThunderfunk said:

I thought live sounds were mixed in to make it "sound" live...

hold on, let me take another listen lol

My Parade era playlist is now complete, I can add some Junk Music in

Just checked PrinceVault, the audience sound was indeed dubbed in.

djThunderfunk said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

hold on, let me take another listen lol

My Parade era playlist is now complete, I can add some Junk Music in

Just checked PrinceVault, the audience sound was indeed dubbed in.

cool I'm still listening lol

djThunderfunk said:

olb99 said:

The 1997 "NYC" tape, on the other hand, had a pretty crappy sound. "4th Generation Bootleg"... I still can't believe I paid 20 USD for 2 songs...

I could swear I paid $5 plus shipping for that one straight from 1800NEWFUNK, right when it came out...

From PrinceVault.com:

"NYC is a cassette single sold for $20.00 directly from the 1-800 New Funk phone service, and can be considered the third and final commercially-released single from Emancipation (although Face Down had been available promotionally following the album's second single The Holy River, and The Holy River itself was released promotionally in the USA in the Summer of 1997)."

Up From Below sounds like Madhouse and the guitar sounds like Erotic City I love the combination

I love the haunting guitar Wendy is playing on Up From Below, this one reminds me of a type of God-the Love them, the piano and bass sounds mournful, , so far this is my my 2nd fav next to Yall Want Some More: I love that bass line Levi is laying out, and something about the guitar sound and how it opens the song continuing thru ads like an echoey touch that I love.

Also that these songs are that long makes me like em more

Both of these have a distinct Prince sound to them

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I also listened to Tick Tick Bang Yall Want Some More Tamborine & Darling Nikki Junk Music 1 together love the wild drumming

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Love the album.

This is a much better selfie than those other ones