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Reply #30 posted 10/19/14 7:44am

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I think these types of threads are quite interesting. They're no different than discussions about what would have happened if Bela Lugosi had played Frankensteim, if Faulkner had kept Satoris as it was before his publishers ripped it apart, if Richard Donner had been allowed to finish Superman II, and so on. It's fascibating to speculate about alternate album configurations, whether real or imaginary.
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Reply #31 posted 10/19/14 7:57am

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KingSausage said:

I think these types of threads are quite interesting. They're no different than discussions about what would have happened if Bela Lugosi had played Frankensteim, if Faulkner had kept Satoris as it was before his publishers ripped it apart, if Richard Donner had been allowed to finish Superman II, and so on. It's fascibating to speculate about alternate album configurations, whether real or imaginary.

Well it is a little different. In the suggestions above u can't create what Faulkner wanted or inject Lugosi into the film.


But u can make your own personal 1999 playlist and be done with it.


I may have overstated my initial comment. There is enjoymemt for discussing sequences and the pros and cons. But that never what happens...people typically just post their playlist without much discussion as to their reasoning...other than its 'better' than x or y.
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Reply #32 posted 10/19/14 7:58am

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JoeTyler said:

1, 1999

2. Little Red Corvette

3. Delirious

4. Let's Pretend We're Married

5. DMSR

6. Up All Day, Up All Night

7. Extra-Loveable

8. Moonbeam Levels

9. Lady Cab Driver

10. Irresistible Bitch

11. Electric Intercourse

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Electric Intercourse, All Day All Night (I guess u meant "All Day All Night"?) and the released version of Irresistible Bitch weren't even recorded when 1999 got released so well, yeah if u go that way it could also maybe have been better with Batdance and Pheromone on it too lol

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So no, the album couldn't have been better with such a tracklist because it's an impossible tracklist, unless it would have been postponed until 1984 when all the songs existed and then we wouldn't have had Purple Rain and so on.

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Independently from that I think it's quite perfect the way it is anyway and even though I like all the songs you mention I don't have the feeling the album would have been any more cohesive or better like that. The album's b-side would have had a much more "organic" sound and I think the mechanic, cold overall sound of the album was and still it one of its main strenghts?

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Reply #33 posted 10/19/14 8:00am

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BobGeorge909 said:

KingSausage said:

I think these types of threads are quite interesting. They're no different than discussions about what would have happened if Bela Lugosi had played Frankensteim, if Faulkner had kept Satoris as it was before his publishers ripped it apart, if Richard Donner had been allowed to finish Superman II, and so on. It's fascibating to speculate about alternate album configurations, whether real or imaginary.

Well it is a little different. In the suggestions above u can't create what Faulkner wanted or inject Lugosi into the film.


But u can make your own personal 1999 playlist and be done with it.


I may have overstated my initial comment. There is enjoymemt for discussing sequences and the pros and cons. But that never what happens...people typically just post their playlist without much discussion as to their reasoning...other than its 'better' than x or y.



Good point. If people offered reasoning then the critical analysis would be meatier. They might be in the same boat as me, in which posting on the Org is primarily something you do while sitting on the can. Getting all that critical analysis done by the time you've finished pinching one out is a challenge.
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Reply #34 posted 10/19/14 8:03am

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Bluu said:

thedance said:

1999 the album is a fine masterpiece as it is,

I wouldn't change a single note..!

music

yeahthat

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1999 is perfect as is, as far as I'm concerned. But if they could have added "Extraloveable" to the album it would have been just exquisite.

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If I had been WB back then--in full consultation with Prince and with his consent, of course--I would have made sure that song got on the album or at least on a B-side of a single. If time constraints were an issue, I'd have recommended editing "Lady Cab Driver" down to 3 minutes, and adding "Extraloveable" to the beginning of the B-side of of the second record with the track edited down to about the 4-minute mark. Then I would have proposed releasing "Automatic" as a single as follow-up to "Delerious", with the full version of "Extraloveable" as the B-side with some very minor editing to the lyrics in the latter half of the song. Both songs I think would have been well received and "Extraloveable" could have been a massive underground hit like "Erotic City" was in '84. (WB really dropped the ball on releasing "Automatic". That was a missed opportunity for everyone.) And the full version of LCD might have been able fit onto the 12" version of an "Automatic" single.

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Love all the unreleased material from this era but the original version of "Extraloveable" is to die for. Despite the fact Prince wrote it with Vanity 6 in mind to record it, the song flows perfectly with the sound of 1999, making it a natural fit if it had been added to the album.

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Now that I've got that off my chest...as far as a contemporary, digitally remastered 'Deluxe' cd of 1999 goes, IMO the more unreleased material you include on it the merrier. cool

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[Edited 10/18/14 13:45pm]

[Edited 10/18/14 14:26pm]

Except that it's very unlikely that any WB executive had ever heard Extraloveable in the first place at this time, it's not like Prince sent them a copy of every song he recorded.

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Reply #35 posted 10/19/14 10:09pm

Bluu

BobGeorge909 said:

Ur all wrong. Do this, that, that, and this, and the sequence blows all the others outta the water. lol I find these kinds of threads silly. The record is what it is. If u want it different, make your playlist and move on. Whats with trying to convince past-prince to change his past-mind into making something he elected not to make....just make your playlist and be done. [Edited 10/19/14 7:27am]

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Not trying to change the past. Just got caught up in a powerful 'what if' moment. cool 1999 is the first album by anyone that I ever fell in love with. Personally I wouldn't change a thing about it. But that doesn't change my opinion that "Extraloveable" would have been a natural fit and that I find it regrettable we don't have a quality sounding official release of the original version of the song.

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Reply #36 posted 10/19/14 10:15pm

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Add Extraloveable after D.M.S.R. and the 1999 album would be excited

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Reply #37 posted 10/19/14 11:18pm

SoulAlive

"ExtraLovable" should have surfaced as a B-side.That song deserved to be released back then! Imagine if it was the B-side to "Take Me With U".I bet that single would have charted much higher than it did lol

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Reply #38 posted 10/19/14 11:23pm

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What!? No one has posted a 2 or 3 CD playlist yet? lol
I hate these 2,3 cd compilations / remaster dreams because it will never happen razz


I kind of agree with databank & BobGeorge909ee

Its great the way it is, if you want an alt playlist make your own shrug
But hypothetically Moonbeam Levels and Extrlovable would have been cloud9

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Reply #39 posted 10/19/14 11:36pm

SoulAlive

1999 is a perfect Prince album,but I enjoy these "what if" type of threads lol It's just good fun.

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Reply #40 posted 10/20/14 12:06am

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JoeTyler said:

SquirrelMeat said:

1999

Little Red Covette

Delirious (full version)

Let's Pretend We're Married

DMSR

How Come U Don't Call me anymore

Automatic

Something In The Water (does not compute)

Moonbeam Levels

Lady Cab Driver

All The Critics Love U in NY

International Lover


Boom!

not enough disc space, sorry, more than 79:59 min

how would that have been a problem in 1982??

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Reply #41 posted 10/20/14 3:45am

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Honestly, for me, if you replace "Free" with "Moonbeam Levels" and add on "Extra Loveable", you've got what's probably his greatest album ever.

Fully agreed.

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Reply #42 posted 10/20/14 4:13am

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Maybe drop Free and add ExtraLoveable and Purple music?

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #43 posted 10/20/14 9:13am

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Add Extraloveable, Moonbeam Levels and How Come You Don't Call Me Anymore and it would be the best album off all time. Drop Free though.

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Reply #44 posted 10/20/14 9:16am

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1999 would have been perfect if he deleted all the songs snd replaced them with the songs from Parade. Maybe added his demo for "Love Come Quick, Love Come in a Hurry."
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Reply #45 posted 10/20/14 9:49am

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SoulAlive said:

joyinrepetition said:

Just to put it out there, don't forget about Purple Music.

I've often wondered if "Purple Music" should have been on the album instead of "All The Critics..."

I love both songs! lol


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Reply #46 posted 10/20/14 1:24pm

JoeTyler

after the backlash and corrections, what about this?

1. 1999 (B-Side How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore )

2. Little Red Corvette (B-Side All the Critics Love U in New York + International Lover UK 12")

3. Delirious (B-Side Horny Toad )

4. Let's Pretend We're Married (B-Side Irresistible Bitch)

5. D.M.S.R.

6. Automatic (B-Side Something in the Water)

7. Extralovable

8. Moonbeam Levels

9. Lady Cab Driver

10. All Day, All Night

11. Electric Intercourse

[Edited 10/20/14 13:25pm]

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Reply #47 posted 10/20/14 1:29pm

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KingSausage said:

I think these types of threads are quite interesting. They're no different than discussions about what would have happened if Bela Lugosi had played Frankensteim, if Faulkner had kept Satoris as it was before his publishers ripped it apart, if Richard Donner had been allowed to finish Superman II, and so on. It's fascibating to speculate about alternate album configurations, whether real or imaginary.

Have you seen the Donner cut? Really interesting, but it didn't flow as well.

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Reply #48 posted 10/20/14 1:33pm

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JoeTyler said:

after the backlash and corrections, what about this?

1. 1999 (B-Side How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore )

2. Little Red Corvette (B-Side All the Critics Love U in New York + International Lover UK 12")

3. Delirious (B-Side Horny Toad )

4. Let's Pretend We're Married (B-Side Irresistible Bitch)

5. D.M.S.R.

6. Automatic (B-Side Something in the Water)

7. Extralovable

8. Moonbeam Levels

9. Lady Cab Driver

10. All Day, All Night

11. Electric Intercourse

[Edited 10/20/14 13:25pm]

Same problem: All Day, All Night and Electric Intercouse didn't exist until well after the album came out.

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Reply #49 posted 10/20/14 3:25pm

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SquirrelMeat said:



KingSausage said:


I think these types of threads are quite interesting. They're no different than discussions about what would have happened if Bela Lugosi had played Frankensteim, if Faulkner had kept Satoris as it was before his publishers ripped it apart, if Richard Donner had been allowed to finish Superman II, and so on. It's fascibating to speculate about alternate album configurations, whether real or imaginary.


Have you seen the Donner cut? Really interesting, but it didn't flow as well.



I love the Donner cut!
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Reply #50 posted 10/21/14 2:24pm

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JoeTyler said:

after the backlash and corrections, what about this?

1. 1999 (B-Side How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore )

2. Little Red Corvette (B-Side All the Critics Love U in New York + International Lover UK 12")

3. Delirious (B-Side Horny Toad )

4. Let's Pretend We're Married (B-Side Irresistible Bitch)

5. D.M.S.R.

6. Automatic (B-Side Something in the Water)

7. Extralovable

8. Moonbeam Levels

9. Lady Cab Driver

10. All Day, All Night

11. Electric Intercourse

[Edited 10/20/14 13:25pm]

It's still an impossible tracklist for a 1982 release so I don't really understand what this is all about...

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Reply #51 posted 10/21/14 2:28pm

JoeTyler

well, my alternative version was released in 1983, so I win

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Reply #52 posted 10/21/14 2:45pm

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JoeTyler said:

well, my alternative version was released in 1983, so I win

You win a nonsense award because as I already told you All Day, All Night was recorded in June 1984, and even if you just keep Electric Intercourse then once again we may just as well add Pheromone and say your alternative version was released in 1993 or even better add Lavaux and say it's OK because in our scenario 1999 was released in 2010. I don't mind alternate/what if tracklists, I think it's a fun game, but I also think people should at least pay attention to recording dates and only include songs that existed at the time of release, or then it turns into "greatest hits" tracklists games that don't have anything to do with the reality of what an album "could have been", given that it just could not have been that.

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Reply #53 posted 10/21/14 3:57pm

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I would replace the title track with Keep Steppin.
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Reply #54 posted 10/21/14 7:15pm

SoulAlive

I think what this thread really proves is that....Prince recorded so much amazing music in 1982! The 1999 album could have easily been a 3-record set.The 'leftover songs' are just as strong as the tracks that made the album.Prince was truly inspired back then.It'll never happen,but I would lose my mind if he gave us a remastered 1999 set with a second disc containing these leftover tracks.

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Reply #55 posted 10/21/14 7:19pm

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databank said:

JoeTyler said:

well, my alternative version was released in 1983, so I win

You win a nonsense award because as I already told you All Day, All Night was recorded in June 1984, and even if you just keep Electric Intercourse then once again we may just as well add Pheromone and say your alternative version was released in 1993 or even better add Lavaux and say it's OK because in our scenario 1999 was released in 2010. I don't mind alternate/what if tracklists, I think it's a fun game, but I also think people should at least pay attention to recording dates and only include songs that existed at the time of release, or then it turns into "greatest hits" tracklists games that don't have anything to do with the reality of what an album "could have been", given that it just could not have been that.

I agree.These type of threads are fun,but fans need to stick with the songs that were actually recorded during the 1999 sessions.Obviously,a song recorded in 1984 could NOT have appeared on the album,lol.

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Reply #56 posted 10/22/14 1:14am

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JoeTyler said:

1, 1999

2. Little Red Corvette

3. Delirious

4. Let's Pretend We're Married

5. DMSR

6. Up All Day, Up All Night

7. Extra-Loveable

8. Moonbeam Levels

9. Lady Cab Driver

10. Irresistible Bitch

11. Electric Intercourse

thoughts? Yay? Nay? discuss

Joe, I have nothing but respect for you. But because you excluded International Lover, you get two finger finger from me!

Shame on you for dismissing one of Prince's greatest classic slow jams of all times. no no no! lol

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Reply #57 posted 10/22/14 6:58am

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You can just replace LRC with the extended dance mix, then drop How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? and Turn It Up after DMSR and Horny Toad to the end of the album.

There, two-CD epic electrofunk/dance/rock odyssey.

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Reply #58 posted 10/22/14 7:05am

JoeTyler

databank said:

JoeTyler said:

well, my alternative version was released in 1983, so I win

You win a nonsense award because as I already told you All Day, All Night was recorded in June 1984

well, then I change the date of release of my alternative version to July 1984, so I win (again)

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Reply #59 posted 10/22/14 7:06am

JoeTyler

TonyVanDam said:

JoeTyler said:

1, 1999

2. Little Red Corvette

3. Delirious

4. Let's Pretend We're Married

5. DMSR

6. Up All Day, Up All Night

7. Extra-Loveable

8. Moonbeam Levels

9. Lady Cab Driver

10. Irresistible Bitch

11. Electric Intercourse

thoughts? Yay? Nay? discuss

Joe, I have nothing but respect for you. But because you excluded International Lover, you get two finger finger from me!

Shame on you for dismissing one of Prince's greatest classic slow jams of all times. no no no! lol

I quite like IL, but Electric Intercouse is better

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