stillwaiting said:

TrevorAyer said:

lezama said:

Bull$hit thread.. every time any of his entourage sings people act like they're the second coming of the antichrist.. Today its Hannah, yesterday it was Andy Allo, the day before that it was Shelby, the day before that it was Bria, the day before that it was Tamar (who in fact has an AMAZING voice), before that it was the twins, Nona, Mayte, and Carmen, Sheila etc etc Appolonia, Jill, Vanity.. blah blah blah.. wash rinse repeat..

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Considering she's a drummer and not a singer, she's pretty damn good. Just as no one would expect miracles from Sheila's voice or Wendy & Lisa's (considering they're musicians first singers second), neither should you expect them from Hannahs.

jesus when will u stop making excuses for garbage music .. the music should be damn good and that's it .. there should be no "considering" .. there should be no "she's not a singer" .. if she is not a singer what the hell is she doing singing on a huge wb prince release? ..

i wanna hear this shit live .. i wanna hear that girl huffing and puffing on the drums while trying to sing .. 3eg might be the biggest joke of the p career .. at least p still keeps us loyal fans entertained .. not with his music but none the less .. entertained

Are we discussing the music or the vocals? Pick one and discuss it. Don't mix topics when Im discussing one thing specifically.

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And this isn't rocket science dude. If you don't like how she sound get over it and don't listen to it as you would any artist who has a voice you dislike. She's singing on the album because Prince obviously asked her to, as he's done plenty of other non-singers to do in the past. You act like this is all new to you or something. Sheila E didn't sing before Prince convinced her to, and plenty of people liked her music with him and she's definitely one of his most successful protege acts ever..

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And while no one knows Prince's plan for these songs live, plenty of drummers drum and sing live.. Phil Collins, Don Henley, Ringo Starr, Roger Taylor, Dave Grohl.. etc etc etc etc

Wait, you mean even in comparison to Vanity, Apollonia, Kim Bassenger, and Mayte?

Surely, not.

lezama said:

TrevorAyer said:

jesus when will u stop making excuses for garbage music .. the music should be damn good and that's it .. there should be no "considering" .. there should be no "she's not a singer" .. if she is not a singer what the hell is she doing singing on a huge wb prince release? ..

i wanna hear this shit live .. i wanna hear that girl huffing and puffing on the drums while trying to sing .. 3eg might be the biggest joke of the p career .. at least p still keeps us loyal fans entertained .. not with his music but none the less .. entertained

Are we discussing the music or the vocals? Pick one and discuss it. Don't mix topics when Im discussing one thing specifically.

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And this isn't rocket science dude. If you don't like how she sound get over it and don't listen to it as you would any artist who has a voice you dislike. She's singing on the album because Prince obviously asked her to, as he's done plenty of other non-singers to do in the past. You act like this is all new to you or something. Sheila E didn't sing before Prince convinced her to, and plenty of people liked her music with him and she's definitely one of his most successful protege acts ever..

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And while no one knows Prince's plan for these songs live, plenty of drummers drum and sing live.. Phil Collins, Don Henley, Ringo Starr, Roger Taylor, Dave Grohl.. etc etc etc etc

I was commenting on your attempt to make excuses for hannah by saying "she's not a singer" so we shouldn't judge her. She's either a singer or not, but if she's not, she shouldn't be singing. I honestly like her singing far more than her drumming. That tic tac toe song tho is retarded. It's like saying Stevie Wonder can't play piano because he is blind. A blind person could likely play tic tac toe, chess or even scrabble far better than most people with sight. It is one of the reasons 3eg come off as a high school band. The lyrical content is beyond stupid and ignorant and just plain dumb. PBR makes jughead sound like mozart. What is super funny is that 3eg simply cant exist without prince. P wants everyone to think it is the girls thang, but LIVE they would not stand a chance without prince. It would be a gas to watch them try tho. Playing only the songs that hannah sings while she plays drums live. LOL I wanna catch a bootleg vid of that. It would be funnier than an episode of new girl, that's for sure.

He comes from Minnesota.

He likes his Country Girl. I mean, Whitecaps is a country song.

She's really not that bad, technically she's a big worker. But her voice misses the je-ne-sais-quoi that Alanis Morrissette has, and so for the moment she sounds like any other pinched-nose white female FM whiner.

But she does it pretty well. Once again, Dale Bozzio.

She's not a good singer, but imo she's not even close to being the worst Prince singer ever.

GoldenParachute said:

The only girl who is young is Hannah. The other two are grown women who are seasoned musicians. I'm not a fan of Hannah's vocals either.

This is why HAnnah is positioned as the leader

ufoclub said:

Actually on both of Shelia E's big singles, Prince's voice is behind the mix throughout, and not very subtle.

so?

EddieC said:

JoshuaWho said:

Listening to the album, I am struck by how poor the female vocals are. THe only manage to sound like young white girls - which I am sure is be design since that is the key demogrpahic for selling music. Part of Prince's longevity is his strategic approach to the business. I can remember reading something about him saying that The Family - with St Paul as the lead - was intended to get some of that Duran Duran money. They were styled for what was selling to young white girls the most in the mid 80s: pretty New Romantic white boys.

Those of us how are old enough to know are well acquaited with the magic spells that Prince casted on non-singing neophytes to conjure something between a slightly entertaining girlfriend project to what is now referred to as old school classics. Vanity, Sheila E, Apollonia, even Mayte didnt lean on Prince's vocals behind the mix to prop them up like what we hear on Whitecaps. But hey, they can play and you cant take that from them (though the playing lacks personality and distinct sound - like a good backup band playing a festival). Being pretty young white girls does not take away from this fact. It just confirms that Prince still knows how to stay "relevant" (AKA "in the media") while embracing his role as the venerable sage of real music.

Although I might argue with whether the bolded is in fact true--it seems important to me that unlike those projects, this one isn't an unbilled protege album. Prince is officially there--it's "Prince" and 3rd Eye Girl. So he's not propping up, he's providing legitimate band member vocals, or if you want to think of it, co-lead.

It would be terrible without Prince. That is propping.

Askani said:

JoshuaWho said:

Part of Prince's longevity is his strategic approach to the business.

I quit reading right here. [Edited 10/12/14 10:18am]

Such is the reaction when comprehension is absent

SuperFurryAnimal said:

3rdEG recorded everything in one take together find me another group with that amount of talent that can record an album as good. Her voice works for alt rock not everyone needs pipes like Rosie Gaines! As a matter of fact Rosie as amazing as she is would sound out of place on the majority here. Hannah sounds just fine.

Debbie Harry's voice worked for alt rock. CHrisse Hyde's voice worked for alt rock. Even Dale Bozzio's voice worked for alt rock. Or least what was alt rock before the term was coined. Hannah is just bad singing - alt, punk, metal, or otherwise.

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

stillwaiting said:

It's a decent album. The female vocal songs drag it down several notches...and the mastering is so horrible, it sounds louder on volume 15 in my car than other cds do on volume 25. And no matter what volume, the distorted brickwalled sound is always there. AOA sounds bad too, but not as bad as PE.

But why are they also the better tracks on the album? And you need to have your system checked out because it needs to be fixed. So go over to KMart tomorrow and get that checked..mkay. Cuz the CD sounds great on my system. Sorry the CD is not the same volume as your shit from K-tel records.

A poorly mastered recording is a poorly mastered recording. Sounds like shit on Bose, Sony, and my Denon. And I own thousands of cds. I can't find another one that sounds this bad...although Rush's original Vapor Trails is almost as bad...

If you have enough computer skills to search Rush Vapor Trails, you can learn something today. If you really think PlectElect is an awsomely mastered recording, than I suggest you get your ears checked.

It is surely a great album, I personally get around the sub par female vocals (on most tracks), by reveling in the fact that the songs themselves are fantastic.

In my opinion though, 3EG vocals are best suited as a supplement to Prince on lead. Unless it is IDA yelling stuff in Danish, which is pretty rad.

leadline said:

It is surely a great album, I personally get around the sub par female vocals (on most tracks), by reveling in the fact that the songs themselves are fantastic.

In my opinion though, 3EG vocals are best suited as a supplement to Prince on lead. Unless it is IDA yelling stuff in Danish, which is pretty rad.

Isn't Ida a decent singer, wonder why they didn't just let her do the singing, maybe just the age thing? I think she sounds better than Hannah imo.

TrevorAyer said:

I was commenting on your attempt to make excuses for hannah by saying "she's not a singer" so we shouldn't judge her. She's either a singer or not, but if she's not, she shouldn't be singing. I honestly like her singing far more than her drumming. That tic tac toe song tho is retarded. It's like saying Stevie Wonder can't play piano because he is blind. A blind person could likely play tic tac toe, chess or even scrabble far better than most people with sight. It is one of the reasons 3eg come off as a high school band. The lyrical content is beyond stupid and ignorant and just plain dumb.

Tictactoe - You've taken a metaphor interpreted it literally and then said "see it doesn't make sense". Which is ironic given the point of the song. Thats like hearing Scarlet Pussy and saying "Red cats don't exist" this song makes no sense.

PBR makes jughead sound like mozart. What is super funny is that 3eg simply cant exist without prince. P wants everyone to think it is the girls thang, but LIVE they would not stand a chance without prince. It would be a gas to watch them try tho. Playing only the songs that hannah sings while she plays drums live. LOL I wanna catch a bootleg vid of that. It would be funnier than an episode of new girl, that's for sure.

Again mate... Prince has never said he wants 3rdeyegirl to operate independant of him. They're his backing band. You've created in your head a world where 3rdeyegirl are a band who want to operate without Prince. All Prince has said is that they're great players. There has been literally no mention of them as an independant group.

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JoshuaWho said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

TrevorAyer said:

lezama said:

Are we discussing the music or the vocals? Pick one and discuss it. Don't mix topics when Im discussing one thing specifically.

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And this isn't rocket science dude. If you don't like how she sound get over it and don't listen to it as you would any artist who has a voice you dislike. She's singing on the album because Prince obviously asked her to, as he's done plenty of other non-singers to do in the past. You act like this is all new to you or something. Sheila E didn't sing before Prince convinced her to, and plenty of people liked her music with him and she's definitely one of his most successful protege acts ever..

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And while no one knows Prince's plan for these songs live, plenty of drummers drum and sing live.. Phil Collins, Don Henley, Ringo Starr, Roger Taylor, Dave Grohl.. etc etc etc etc

I was commenting on your attempt to make excuses for hannah by saying "she's not a singer" so we shouldn't judge her. She's either a singer or not, but if she's not, she shouldn't be singing. I honestly like her singing far more than her drumming. That tic tac toe song tho is retarded. It's like saying Stevie Wonder can't play piano because he is blind. A blind person could likely play tic tac toe, chess or even scrabble far better than most people with sight. It is one of the reasons 3eg come off as a high school band. The lyrical content is beyond stupid and ignorant and just plain dumb. PBR makes jughead sound like mozart. What is super funny is that 3eg simply cant exist without prince. P wants everyone to think it is the girls thang, but LIVE they would not stand a chance without prince. It would be a gas to watch them try tho. Playing only the songs that hannah sings while she plays drums live. LOL I wanna catch a bootleg vid of that. It would be funnier than an episode of new girl, that's for sure.

Anyone who wants to sing and gets paid for singing is a singer. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not. Does Macy Gray get paid for singing??? Yes, then she's a singer. Point blank. It doesn't matter whether you like her or not. It Bjork paid for singing? Yes? Then she's a singer? Was Patti Smith paid for singing? Yes? Then she's a singer. Was Yoko Ono paid for singing? Yes? Then she's a singer. Does it matter whether they sound like Celine Dion or Barbara Steisand? No. It doesn't. End of discussion.

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As for the song writing, again, that has nothing to do with Hannah, so please pick a topic and stick to it. Are you blaming Prince for writing lyrics and arrangements and giving it to her? Or are you blaming her for singing them... even though that's what she's paid to do..

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And anyone who knows Prince's career knows that they're his band. Why the hell would anyone assume they could or would even want to exist without him? They didn't write anything, they were put together because of him? Their musical styles and interests are each very different from each other and probably would not even want to post their time with him. So your statement makes zero sense.

nosajd said:

leadline said:

It is surely a great album, I personally get around the sub par female vocals (on most tracks), by reveling in the fact that the songs themselves are fantastic.

In my opinion though, 3EG vocals are best suited as a supplement to Prince on lead. Unless it is IDA yelling stuff in Danish, which is pretty rad.

Isn't Ida a decent singer, wonder why they didn't just let her do the singing, maybe just the age thing? I think she sounds better than Hannah imo.

I remember listening to Ida's last album and her vocals aren't bad either, but I think its a combo of Hannah being way more extroverted than anybody else in PP and she's younger and nicer on the eyes. So if he had to put someone out in public she's a more apt candidate.

lezama said:

TrevorAyer said:

I was commenting on your attempt to make excuses for hannah by saying "she's not a singer" so we shouldn't judge her. She's either a singer or not, but if she's not, she shouldn't be singing. I honestly like her singing far more than her drumming. That tic tac toe song tho is retarded. It's like saying Stevie Wonder can't play piano because he is blind. A blind person could likely play tic tac toe, chess or even scrabble far better than most people with sight. It is one of the reasons 3eg come off as a high school band. The lyrical content is beyond stupid and ignorant and just plain dumb. PBR makes jughead sound like mozart. What is super funny is that 3eg simply cant exist without prince. P wants everyone to think it is the girls thang, but LIVE they would not stand a chance without prince. It would be a gas to watch them try tho. Playing only the songs that hannah sings while she plays drums live. LOL I wanna catch a bootleg vid of that. It would be funnier than an episode of new girl, that's for sure.

Anyone who wants to sing and gets paid for singing is a singer. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not. Does Macy Gray get paid for singing??? Yes, then she's a singer. Point blank. It doesn't matter whether you like her or not. It Bjork paid for singing? Yes? Then she's a singer? Was Patti Smith paid for singing? Yes? Then she's a singer. Was Yoko Ono paid for singing? Yes? Then she's a singer. Does it matter whether they sound like Celine Dion or Barbara Steisand? No. It doesn't. End of discussion.

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As for the song writing, again, that has nothing to do with Hannah, so please pick a topic and stick to it. Are you blaming Prince for writing lyrics and arrangements and giving it to her? Or are you blaming her for singing them... even though that's what she's paid to do..

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And anyone who knows Prince's career knows that they're his band. Why the hell would anyone assume they could or would even want to exist without him? They didn't write anything, they were put together because of him? Their musical styles and interests are each very different from each other and probably would not even want to post their time with him. So your statement makes zero sense.

I never said Hannah was not a singer. You DID! I said I wish people would stop making excuses for bad singing/music by saying "oh she's a drummer so it doesn't matter if her singing is bad".

3eg did write the songs with prince, sometimes without, see plectrum electrum the song, which was written before prince.

TrevorAyer said:

I never said Hannah was not a singer. You DID! I said I wish people would stop making excuses for bad singing/music by saying "oh she's a drummer so it doesn't matter if her singing is bad".

3eg did write the songs with prince, sometimes without, see plectrum electrum the song, which was written before prince.

The girls have specifically said "Prince wrote these songs for us". I don't think they've mentioned writing songs with Prince.

RE: PlectrumElectrum - Donna had a song called "Elektra" which Prince reworked into PlectrumElectrum.

Noodled24 said:

TrevorAyer said:

I was commenting on your attempt to make excuses for hannah by saying "she's not a singer" so we shouldn't judge her. She's either a singer or not, but if she's not, she shouldn't be singing. I honestly like her singing far more than her drumming. That tic tac toe song tho is retarded. It's like saying Stevie Wonder can't play piano because he is blind. A blind person could likely play tic tac toe, chess or even scrabble far better than most people with sight. It is one of the reasons 3eg come off as a high school band. The lyrical content is beyond stupid and ignorant and just plain dumb.

Tictactoe - You've taken a metaphor interpreted it literally and then said "see it doesn't make sense". Which is ironic given the point of the song. Thats like hearing Scarlet Pussy and saying "Red cats don't exist" this song makes no sense.

PBR makes jughead sound like mozart. What is super funny is that 3eg simply cant exist without prince. P wants everyone to think it is the girls thang, but LIVE they would not stand a chance without prince. It would be a gas to watch them try tho. Playing only the songs that hannah sings while she plays drums live. LOL I wanna catch a bootleg vid of that. It would be funnier than an episode of new girl, that's for sure.

Again mate... Prince has never said he wants 3rdeyegirl to operate independant of him. They're his backing band. You've created in your head a world where 3rdeyegirl are a band who want to operate without Prince. All Prince has said is that they're great players. There has been literally no mention of them as an independant group.

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I certainly understand what p+3 are trying to convey with the 'metaphor'. My point is that the metaphore is incredibly ignorant to the point where it ruins the song. P's opinion is that blind people are idiots who can't even play tic tac toe. Change the word blind to 'black' and see how it sounds to you then? or change the metaphor to people in wheelchairs playing basketball, or war amputees running marathons... here i'll do it for u ..

like a bunch of no legged people running a race .. watch as they fall on their face ..

it's just disrespectful to disabled people and baffling that prince would work a metaphor that puts disabled people in such a condescending light .. I don't know the word for racist when it comes to disabled people but if there was one this would fit. But ignorant and self bloated work fine for me.

I really wonder if p has the balls to play this for stevie wonder in person. BTW stevie can out play prince on every fucking instrument and songwriting and he is blind. FYI

TrevorAyer said:

I certainly understand what p+3 are trying to convey with the 'metaphor'. My point is that the metaphore is incredibly ignorant to the point where it ruins the song. P's opinion is that blind people are idiots who can't even play tic tac toe. Change the word blind to 'black' and see how it sounds to you then? or change the metaphor to people in wheelchairs playing basketball, or war amputees running marathons... here i'll do it for u ..

No that's not his opinion. The lyric isn't "blind people are idiots" you are making that leap.

The Lyric is "like a bunch of blind people playing tictactoe, who knows where the zeros and the X's go" - Nowhere is there any mention that these fictitious blind people are idiots. You have said that. Not Prince.

like a bunch of no legged people running a race .. watch as they fall on their face ..

it's just disrespectful to disabled people and baffling that prince would work a metaphor that puts disabled people in such a condescending light .. I don't know the word for racist when it comes to disabled people but if there was one this would fit. But ignorant and self bloated work fine for me.

Again you're making HUGE leaps and attempting to imply a negative connotation which isn't there. You're now having to make up lyrics because the song doesn't give you enough amunition.

I really wonder if p has the balls to play this for stevie wonder in person. BTW stevie can out play prince on every fucking instrument and songwriting and he is blind. FYI

Blind people can't see. It's not an insult to state a fact. It's not even clear if it's literal blindness or a figurative blindness. Your comments in this thread are far more disrespectful to disabled people.

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theblueangel said:

I couldn't agree more - Hannah's vocals are so bad that I can't listen to the songs that feature her. Just dreadful. And every non-Prince fan I've played them for has laughed, and laughed, and laughed...

As for Andy's vocals live - I haven't heard them, because new Prince live bootlegs bore me to tears (interestingly, aside from the 3rdeyegirl ones, which are just not good enough quality for me to listen to), but I can definitely say that her voice on record is quite beautiful (and at the very least, not cringe-worthy like Hannah's).

Can you imagine how awful Hannah's vocals would be live, if the studio songs represent the best she could do with multiple takes and her husband's trickery? UGH.

Sadly while I *love* the music on PE i have to agree w you here. Hannahs vocals make me cringe.

TrevorAyer said:

lezama said:

Anyone who wants to sing and gets paid for singing is a singer. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not. Does Macy Gray get paid for singing??? Yes, then she's a singer. Point blank. It doesn't matter whether you like her or not. It Bjork paid for singing? Yes? Then she's a singer? Was Patti Smith paid for singing? Yes? Then she's a singer. Was Yoko Ono paid for singing? Yes? Then she's a singer. Does it matter whether they sound like Celine Dion or Barbara Steisand? No. It doesn't. End of discussion.

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As for the song writing, again, that has nothing to do with Hannah, so please pick a topic and stick to it. Are you blaming Prince for writing lyrics and arrangements and giving it to her? Or are you blaming her for singing them... even though that's what she's paid to do..

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And anyone who knows Prince's career knows that they're his band. Why the hell would anyone assume they could or would even want to exist without him? They didn't write anything, they were put together because of him? Their musical styles and interests are each very different from each other and probably would not even want to post their time with him. So your statement makes zero sense.

I never said Hannah was not a singer. You DID! I said I wish people would stop making excuses for bad singing/music by saying "oh she's a drummer so it doesn't matter if her singing is bad".

3eg did write the songs with prince, sometimes without, see plectrum electrum the song, which was written before prince.

Let me paraphrase my statement sense ordinary speech seems to go over your head. Im saying she sings very well to not be someone who up until meeting Prince has just been a drummer. I never once said she was a bad singer. Carmen Electra is bad. Mayte was bad. Apollonia was bad. Hannah is ok. I like the songs she sings on and think she'll get better with time.

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The only song not written by Prince is plectrumelectrum and another love. Again, you were criticizing the lyrics, and seemed to be implying that it's the girl's fault that Prince wrote them.

Noodled24 said:

TrevorAyer said:

Again you're making HUGE leaps and attempting to imply a negative connotation which isn't there. You're now having to make up lyrics because the song doesn't give you enough amunition.

I really wonder if p has the balls to play this for stevie wonder in person. BTW stevie can out play prince on every fucking instrument and songwriting and he is blind. FYI

Blind people can't see. It's not an insult to state a fact. It's not even clear if it's literal blindness or a figurative blindness. Your comments in this thread are far more disrespectful to disabled people.

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so exactly what intelligence level is implied that a "a bunch" of blind people would sit around playing tic tac toe?

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can a 'bunch' of people even play tic tac toe? I thought it was a 2 person game.

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what other implication do you see possible when hannah sings "who knows where the o's and the x's goes?" immediately following the blind reference?

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it sounds to me like the author is painting an absurd picture of sheer stupidity not only that a "bunch" of blind people would choose to sit around playing tic tac toe, but also that he suggests "who knows where the o's and x's go?" as if they are all just completely lost and have no idea what they are doing .. or where any of the o's and x's might be landing at any given time ..

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and what exactly is the 'metophor' p is trying to convey? (he wrote it right?) isn't it implying people fumbling around in the dark with no clue?

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please tell me your interpretation because it paints a pretty stupid sounding scene at the blind "bunch"s expense .. in my opinion

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Have you heard Gayle Chapman's vocals on If I Love You Tonight? That woman took off key to a whole new level.

TrevorAyer said:

so exactly what intelligence level is implied that a "a bunch" of blind people would sit around playing tic tac toe?

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can a 'bunch' of people even play tic tac toe? I thought it was a 2 person game.

what other implication do you see possible when hannah sings "who knows where the o's and the x's goes?" immediately following the blind reference?

Sigh. Well 4 people could be playing 2 games. If you want to be smart about it. But you're still completely missing the point on a rather spectaular scale.

it sounds to me like the author is painting an absurd picture of sheer stupidity not only that a "bunch" of blind people would choose to sit around playing tic tac toe, but also that he suggests "who knows where the o's and x's go?" as if they are all just completely lost and have no idea what they are doing .. or where any of the o's and x's might be landing at any given time ..

No, again you're taking a metaphor and trying to make it literal. (HINT the song isn't about the game tictactoe)

and what exactly is the 'metophor' p is trying to convey? (he wrote it right?) isn't it implying people fumbling around in the dark with no clue?

ok - well at least we've established you're not 100% clear on what a metaphor is. A metaphor isn't something you convey rather you use a metaphor to convey something.