Ppenguin said:

I know the likely hood is that this isn't going to be news to many people but is it common knowledge that the track Plectrumelectrum has been around for years and played by Donna Grantis before 3rdEyegirl under the name Elektra? Edit - seeing as it's mentioned on Prince Vault I guess it's VERY common knowledge. Wonder what Donna and her old band make of Prince seemingly passing it off as his own. [Edited 10/8/14 3:12am] [Edited 10/8/14 3:18am]

I don't think Prince has tried to pass it off as his own? Donnas videos are still on youtube. Search "plectrumelectrum" and it's there. Donna is a member of 3rdeyegirl. PE is on the 3rdeyegirl album.

There are far more noteworthy examples of Prince taking credit for things. The new Rita Ora track Josh played on the Yahoo live stream Prince stated it was something "the 3 of us worked on" only to be burned by Josh who told Maya "that was me". Or Soul Sanctuary from Emancipation.

Dude it's a Prince AND 3rd eye girl album. Donna is a member of 3rd eye girl. How is he trying to take credit ??

Donna is credited in the credits of the booklet, Next you'll be complaining that Anotherlove is a cover too

I understand the complaining...The main riff is a plagiarism of a Panthera song...Prince is totally out of touch with these two releases and his behaviour of not promoting it. That's the end of Prince.

And still no news from PURPLE RAIN...I highly doubt it will be released for the 30th anniversary, if ever.

RODSERLING said:

RODSERLING said:

I understand the complaining...The main riff is a plagiarism of a Panthera song...Prince is totally out of touch with these two releases and his behaviour of not promoting it. That's the end of Prince.

And still no news from PURPLE RAIN...I highly doubt it will be released for the 30th anniversary, if ever.

Honestly, people act like he owes them something, he has delivered 2 Albums which have sold Fairly well for Him in 2014!! He isnt a relevant artists anymore like todays pop acts and people still not happy.

He has done plenty to promote himself, he's toured for the past year or two. Arsenio Special etc....

Quit complaining

30th Anniversary of Purple Rain technically they have until next year,

likelihood

RODSERLING said:

I understand the complaining...The main riff is a plagiarism of a Panthera song...Prince is totally out of touch with these two releases and his behaviour of not promoting it. That's the end of Prince.

And still no news from PURPLE RAIN...I highly doubt it will be released for the 30th anniversary, if ever.

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It may be the end of Prince for you, but I love AOA and PlecElec, and I could care less about a Purple Rain reissue. I have Purple Rain, and have had it since 1984 along with all the other stuff. New technology or not, the songs are all still the same songs. So, a Purple Rain reissue means absolutely nothing to me. In fact, if all Prince could do was reissue Purple Rain, then it would be the end of Prince, but I'm glad that he's still producing work that I like, which is not bad for a thirty-six year run. So, I won't be wasting my money on a Purple Rain reissue because I have that and probably anything they can add to it. Now, let me get back to this new funk, rock, soul, and roll.

"Mmmh... OK I need to find something to complain about Prince today... Let me think... This? No, already created a thread about it yesterday. That? No, Someone else beat me to it, there's a thread. Mmmmh... YES! I know! Plectrumelectrum is a cover!!!!"

1725topp said:

RODSERLING said:

I understand the complaining...The main riff is a plagiarism of a Panthera song...Prince is totally out of touch with these two releases and his behaviour of not promoting it. That's the end of Prince.

And still no news from PURPLE RAIN...I highly doubt it will be released for the 30th anniversary, if ever.

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It may be the end of Prince for you, but I love AOA and PlecElec, and I could care less about a Purple Rain reissue. I have Purple Rain, and have had it since 1984 along with all the other stuff. New technology or not, the songs are all still the same songs. So, a Purple Rain reissue means absolutely nothing to me. In fact, if all Prince could do was reissue Purple Rain, then it would be the end of Prince, but I'm glad that he's still producing work that I like, which is not bad for a thirty-six year run. So, I won't be wasting my money on a Purple Rain reissue because I have that and probably anything they can add to it. Now, let me get back to this new funk, rock, soul, and roll.

Here Here!!!!

RODSERLING said:

I understand the complaining...The main riff is a plagiarism of a Panthera song...Prince is totally out of touch with these two releases and his behaviour of not promoting it. That's the end of Prince.

And still no news from PURPLE RAIN...I highly doubt it will be released for the 30th anniversary, if ever.

Pantera? Try 'The Ocean' by Led Zeppelin.

1725topp said:

databank said:

Donna said in a recent interview Prince rewrote the song and renamed it. No different than what LEd Zepplin dd with all their songs which are re written Blues songs from Black Musicians. At least, Donna gets to profit from it.

1725topp said:

RODSERLING said:

I understand the complaining...The main riff is a plagiarism of a Panthera song...Prince is totally out of touch with these two releases and his behaviour of not promoting it. That's the end of Prince.

And still no news from PURPLE RAIN...I highly doubt it will be released for the 30th anniversary, if ever.

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It may be the end of Prince for you, but I love AOA and PlecElec, and I could care less about a Purple Rain reissue. I have Purple Rain, and have had it since 1984 along with all the other stuff. New technology or not, the songs are all still the same songs. So, a Purple Rain reissue means absolutely nothing to me. In fact, if all Prince could do was reissue Purple Rain, then it would be the end of Prince, but I'm glad that he's still producing work that I like, which is not bad for a thirty-six year run. So, I won't be wasting my money on a Purple Rain reissue because I have that and probably anything they can add to it. Now, let me get back to this new funk, rock, soul, and roll.

PR was the last chance for you to have new material on a physical form. AOA and PE are the last physical albums of Prince you bought. Enjoy

Ppenguin said:

1725topp said:

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It may be the end of Prince for you, but I love AOA and PlecElec, and I could care less about a Purple Rain reissue. I have Purple Rain, and have had it since 1984 along with all the other stuff. New technology or not, the songs are all still the same songs. So, a Purple Rain reissue means absolutely nothing to me. In fact, if all Prince could do was reissue Purple Rain, then it would be the end of Prince, but I'm glad that he's still producing work that I like, which is not bad for a thirty-six year run. So, I won't be wasting my money on a Purple Rain reissue because I have that and probably anything they can add to it. Now, let me get back to this new funk, rock, soul, and roll.

Agree - I like Prince music but I'm kind of not really interested in him release g stuff and knowing that it's been dusted off and he didn't consider it good enough to release at the time. Art Official Age, despite its large reliance on drum loops and samples, has something that's been missing from Princes work for a while; maybe it comes from taking a breather and not trying to live up to some genius music machine that turns track after track out, maybe it's because this album lacks any religious mumbojumbo or allocations of discrimination which have been suffocating him for years - AOA is a focussed and enjoyable album. Plectrumelectrum isn't...but that's because he seems focussed on msking a point (real music, analogue recording) rather than the content - the best tracks on there are small in number and, it turns out, not actually his

AOA and PE doesn't sound princy to me, and for a good reason

Ppenguin said:

1725topp said:

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It may be the end of Prince for you, but I love AOA and PlecElec, and I could care less about a Purple Rain reissue. I have Purple Rain, and have had it since 1984 along with all the other stuff. New technology or not, the songs are all still the same songs. So, a Purple Rain reissue means absolutely nothing to me. In fact, if all Prince could do was reissue Purple Rain, then it would be the end of Prince, but I'm glad that he's still producing work that I like, which is not bad for a thirty-six year run. So, I won't be wasting my money on a Purple Rain reissue because I have that and probably anything they can add to it. Now, let me get back to this new funk, rock, soul, and roll.

Agree - I like Prince music but I'm kind of not really interested in him release g stuff and knowing that it's been dusted off and he didn't consider it good enough to release at the time. Art Official Age, despite its large reliance on drum loops and samples, has something that's been missing from Princes work for a while; maybe it comes from taking a breather and not trying to live up to some genius music machine that turns track after track out, maybe it's because this album lacks any religious mumbojumbo or allocations of discrimination which have been suffocating him for years - AOA is a focussed and enjoyable album. Plectrumelectrum isn't...but that's because he seems focussed on msking a point (real music, analogue recording) rather than the content - the best tracks on there are small in number and, it turns out, not actually his

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I think I understand what you are saying so forgive me if I don't, and I'm sure you will clarify. First, I'm not quite sure what you mean that he didn't consider something good enough to release when it was originally created. That's just a natural part of artistry. As a poet and fiction writer, I've had poems and short stories that were on my computer for years because I was still editing them or they just didn't feel finished, but later something happened, often not much, and I was able to get them published somewhere. So, sometimes, songs are "ready" to be "released" as soon as they are created, and sometimes songs must wait to be released. And, while I would like to be more empirical about the process, sometimes it's just a gut feeling and timing. The truth is that most songs on any album are about a year old. The only genre in which this isn't the norm is hip hop, and I would argue that is the reason most hip hop doesn't have a sustained shelf life because it's created haphazardly to be disposable. But, then again, most art doesn't have a sustained shelf life, which is what separates the diamonds from the basic rocks. Yet, with the innate subjective nature of art, one person's basic rock is another person's diamond.

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I agree that AOA may have something that's been missing for a while, but I'll also admit that it was the loops and samples that initially made it difficult for me to embrace AOA. But, once I got pass that, I was able to embrace AOA whole-heartedly. As for the "religious mumbojumbo" and "allocations of discrimination," we'll just have to agree to disagree. One, there are just as many religions inferences on AOA as on other, recent, works, but maybe because it isn't presented with the precise language of Christianity then most folks are not recognizing or offended by it. I, however, love what he does on The Rainbow Children, both religiously and socio-politically. I just find it interesting that whenever an African American discusses "specific" racial issue that we are called racist. Now, I don't think that was your intent, but my point is that I like when Prince more tangibly addresses issues of race. Racism still exists, and I tend to like African-American artists who are not afraid to address it in whatever way they decide to address it.

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PlecElec is my least favorite of the two only because with Hannah carrying most of the lead vocals it seems more like an associated artist record, but I love "WOW," "Pretzelbodylogic," "Whitecaps," "Fixurlifeup," "StopThisTrain," "Anotherlove," and "FunknRoll," and really like "BoyTrouble" despite my annoyance with Hannah carrying most of the leads. So, yeah, many of these songs are not his, per se, but if you compare the original "Another Love" to Prince's version, they are night and day. And for someone like me who hates covers from anyone, Prince's version of "AnotherLove" is a testament to his power as a performer and his understanding of how to deconstruct songs in a manner to show us grit and soul that we may have missed, similar to his remake of "I Can't Make You Love Me." So, while I deduct points for any cover, his powerful playingand vocal delivery makes it worth the listen for my tastes. Accordingly, and to your point, I would have loved to have seen "RocknRoll Love Affiar" and "Screwdriver" on PlecElec to make it more of a "Prince" album, but since I have them I have just added them, along with a few other songs, to the end of PlecElec.

RODSERLING said:

1725topp said:

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It may be the end of Prince for you, but I love AOA and PlecElec, and I could care less about a Purple Rain reissue. I have Purple Rain, and have had it since 1984 along with all the other stuff. New technology or not, the songs are all still the same songs. So, a Purple Rain reissue means absolutely nothing to me. In fact, if all Prince could do was reissue Purple Rain, then it would be the end of Prince, but I'm glad that he's still producing work that I like, which is not bad for a thirty-six year run. So, I won't be wasting my money on a Purple Rain reissue because I have that and probably anything they can add to it. Now, let me get back to this new funk, rock, soul, and roll.

PR was the last chance for you to have new material on a physical form. AOA and PE are the last physical albums of Prince you bought. Enjoy

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While I do prefer the physical form over the digital, if I understand your point correctly, ultimately its about the music for me rather than the form. The only reason I prefer CDs is it gives me more control, but I can actually burn the digital from to a CD. That being said, I am enjoying and just don't get the "big deal" about a Purple Rain reissue in any form, but to each his own. I'm just glad that in any form I'm enjoying AOA and PlecElec. Sure, I'd like a few more "bells and whistles," but I don't need them if I'm enjoying the music.

RODSERLING said:

Ppenguin said:

1725topp said: Agree - I like Prince music but I'm kind of not really interested in him release g stuff and knowing that it's been dusted off and he didn't consider it good enough to release at the time. Art Official Age, despite its large reliance on drum loops and samples, has something that's been missing from Princes work for a while; maybe it comes from taking a breather and not trying to live up to some genius music machine that turns track after track out, maybe it's because this album lacks any religious mumbojumbo or allocations of discrimination which have been suffocating him for years - AOA is a focussed and enjoyable album. Plectrumelectrum isn't...but that's because he seems focussed on msking a point (real music, analogue recording) rather than the content - the best tracks on there are small in number and, it turns out, not actually his

AOA and PE doesn't sound princy to me, and for a good reason

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I guess each ear is different because the essence/root of both sound very princy to me. Yes, they are heavily influenced by others, maybe moreso than I initially wanted, but songs like "The Gold Standard," "WOW," "Clouds," and others seem like Prince classics to me, which, of course, is just my own subjective taste. But, I do hear it.

steakfinger said:

RODSERLING said:

I understand the complaining...The main riff is a plagiarism of a Panthera song...Prince is totally out of touch with these two releases and his behaviour of not promoting it. That's the end of Prince.

And still no news from PURPLE RAIN...I highly doubt it will be released for the 30th anniversary, if ever.

Pantera? Try 'The Ocean' by Led Zeppelin.

Yup, that was the song that I immediately connected PE to as well!

databank said:

"Mmmh... OK I need to find something to complain about Prince today... Let me think... This? No, already created a thread about it yesterday. That? No, Someone else beat me to it, there's a thread. Mmmmh... YES! I know! Plectrumelectrum is a cover!!!!"

Yeah.... Don't we already have a Bart?

Noodled24 said:

The new Rita Ora track Josh played on the Yahoo live stream Prince stated it was something "the 3 of us worked on" only to be burned by Josh who told Maya "that was me".

Josh seems to have done the track's music, but not the lyrics or vocal arrangement, so it was indeed the three of them.

lezama said:

Noodled24 said:

The new Rita Ora track Josh played on the Yahoo live stream Prince stated it was something "the 3 of us worked on" only to be burned by Josh who told Maya "that was me".

Josh seems to have done the track's music, but not the lyrics or vocal arrangement, so it was indeed the three of them.

I think he referred to the digitally altered voice that came in at the end of the track

RODSERLING said:

The main riff is a plagiarism of a Panthera song...

It's "Pantera" not "Panthera", and what Pantera song are you talking about? The main riff was apart of Elektra, one of the few parts not changed by Prince.

paulludvig said:

lezama said:

Josh seems to have done the track's music, but not the lyrics or vocal arrangement, so it was indeed the three of them.

I think he referred to the digitally altered voice that came in at the end of the track

Oh I see.. thx

I thought it was a remake of Broken when I first heard it. I bet any amount of money since the album hit #1 on the Rock chart he's going to get hit with a copyright infringement lawsuit. In the meantime Prince spares no expense getting his songs removed from Youtube and being sampled. Kinda ironic

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Ppenguin said:

Fair enough...'taking credit' is the wrong wording - I just meant that it seemed to be the crux of this whole joint venture, it's the name of the bands debut album and was played at every gig...but it's a track that's been in existence for quite some time even before the band got together.

It's a song title. Donna had a song called Electra Prince heard it, and reworked it into PlectrumElectrum. It's a band album. I don't see why a band member contributing a song to the album as being an issue. You'd never head it.

Donna is a young musician, clearly wearing her influences on her sleeve. She took a riff from a Led Zepplin song and made "Electra" with it.

I just thought that with there being comments about the girls not having much input in the album and being told what to play and where, it's a perfect example of how the album IS a joint venture as that track is nothing to do with Prince really but that's not been promoted. It wasn't an accusation of plagiarism or credit-stealing just an underpubliced opportunity to highlight the equality in the input.

All the girls have stated that they were given freedom to be creative with the music they were given. They've also said that Prince wrote the songs.