RODSERLING said:

Polo1026 said:

Talk shows and TV shows are vastly different. Tv shows are designed to get ratings and sell commercials. Talk shows are designed to be platforms for stars to sell their products and themselves. If you think Clooney came on Letterman to talk about his latest movie and the Letterman show PAID Clooney to do that then I don't know what to tell you. Letterman for example, makes 50M a year to do his show. The Letterman Show as a business makes CBS 14M in profit. So do the math, 50M for Letterman, how much for the producers, the show band, cameramen, writers, etc. Say the yearly cost to produce the show per year is somewhere around 150M per year. The show generates 14M profit so lets say the show makes 200M to account for taxes. Can you imagine what the cost to produce this show would be if the business model was to pay ANYONE to appear? It couldn't work, it would not work and CBS would not be in the late night talk show business. Now are exceptions made for certain stars who have a hot public story going on?(i.e. like Kim K porn story or Anthony Weiner) Yes. But they aren't shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars to have stars on their show. Talk Shows also don't make the same revenue from commercials because they aren't in prime time.

I think you completely misunderstood what Rebeljuice and I said.

I never said every star were paid in the US show.

i never said Prince was paid to perform on the Us SHOW

I just said that Prince, as a freelance artist and a greedy man would have never, never paid one dollar to perform FIXYOURLIFUP on prime time. I quote you many examples when it's clear that Prince never paid anything. Why paying to perform ROCK AND ROLL LOVE AFFAIR for instance ? That's insane, just to think of it.

I even quote you some examples where Prince didn't perform.

I don't know about George Clooney. But as Rebeljuice implied, if a big star must pay to be on Letterman, well he goes to Oprah and get paid, or do the thing for free. I'm sure William Shatner never paid anything to anybody, and that he never moves his big ass unless he's paid. Shatner is a usual guest because he's funny, he's a clown. Everybody knows that he can't sell more than 10 k copies of his books or albums, why making him pay something to appear on TV ? It's even more insane than paying to perform SCREWDRIVER.

Prince is a welcome guest because he's weird, he's secret about his life, is a superstar, and the best performer alive. He always steal the show, no matter what the audience is.

It's a win-win situation. But I'm also sure some star must pay in order to get some attraction. We all agree on this point.

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If I don't understand then tell me. What TV shows in Europe pay aren't a model for what is done in the US. CBS doesn't care if William Shatner is funny and Prince is weird, they care about making money. Prince or Shatner could care less about the shows they appear on, they want the exposure on those TV shows because it makes them marketable for whatever deal they are trying to get with music or tv. These shows aren't run by producers who put people on because they are 'funny' or 'weird' and say hey put him on TV! But for shits sake lets say Prince didn't pay a fee or get paid to perform "fixurlifeup.' The actual cost for flying in his band, equipment, rehearsal space, etc would leave him in the red anyway. I don't see sourced responses anywhere in your replies. You haven't said a single thing about American TV shows. Oprah typically doesn't pay anything unless it's a hot story that people want to see so the show can get a big enough rating to sell the ads so she can make money. Stars go on Oprah because it's OPRAH! Not because there is some pay to play involved. Regardless, if Prince isn't paying to do late night TV in the US, it's highly unlikely that he's getting PAID to appear on the show which means he's losing money to do that performance but he's getting the exposure he wants. It's a fair trade off for him. In Europe I have no idea nor do I care what those shows do because I don't live in Europe or do business there or watch European TV. Pop Idol means zilch to me honestly and if they pay Prince or any stars then fantastic, I know Prince got paid for American Idol(US Pop Idol) and New Girl. Those are TV shows not Talk shows. Think about it sensibly, As you say, they know Prince is an 'attraction' for viewers right? So lets say they don't pay Prince but cover his expenses for his band and travel etc. Then why isn't Prnce performing on TV more often? If what you say is even remotely close to accurate, then Prince is a monumental turd for not performing somewhere every 2-3 months. You know why Prince doesn't do that? because it's more likely that he loses money and only performs on TV when he needs to and it's feasible to do so.

Askani said:

bluegangsta said:

I've downloaded both of them. I like to evaleuate the worth of a product before purchasing.

I won't be paying $20 each for them. So I'll wait until they're at a more fair price for me.

Where on earth do you live that a CD costs $20?

I paid 18.90 € for each album, that´s roughly 48 US dollars.

databank said:

Somebody wants a cup of tea?

Shoplifted?

Polo1026 said:

RODSERLING said:

Do you have proof, or a link for your assertions, please ?

How do you explain every Prince tv performances since 2009 ?

How can you explain the Superbowl half-time show, without a recording company ?!

Can you imagine him one second paying something to perform ?

I can tell you in France for instance, they are constantly fighting to get Prince to perform on TV.

In a french award, Stevie Wonder was repOrtedly paid 200.000 euros to perform a medley on LES VICTOIRES DE LA MUSIQUE, in 2010 IIRC.

They were fighting too to get MJ in the most high-rated shows. When MJ retired in 2005, every tv show in the world were willing to pay a huge amount of money just to get MJ talking 3 words.

There are some stars that, even when they have nothing to promote, are invited because they always drain a high ratings, or make "the buzz".

Some festivals are ready to pay Prince an advance though they couldn't get a return on investment based on ticket sales, just for the prestige of having Prince.

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A festival or Euro talk shows or concerts are something completely different than US late night talk shows and the Superbowl. You have to understand the superbowl and shows like Letterman, call their own shots regardless who the guests are because people are tuning in to see the host and what he does with the guests and what the guests are selling. Every segment is about selling something, a late night show is a talking billboard for movies, albums, stars, etc. There is no such thing as free TV time to advertise yourself because you're a star. It doesn't work that way, if it did there would be no talk shows. See this article from Forbes on Beyonce's Superbowl performance;

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2013/02/04/beyonce-super-bowl-show-far-from-free/

You'd think the NFL paid a couple million to get the this generations top performer to do the superbowl but they only covered her costs and she still may have lost money in the long run. If the NFL didn't pay Beyonce, how do you figure they paid Prince? Especially when the NFL has a POLICY of not paying superbowl performers. Why would anyone agree to do the superbowl? Becuase the audience watching the superbowl is HUGE. Same reason why you do the same for a late night talk show, the audience is huge and you're exposing yourself to fans that may not know about you. Nothing in entertainment is free, trust me when I tell you that. As far as Prince's 2009 performances goes, he knows the industry standards and conducted business accordingly as anyone else would have. Prince is filthy rich my friend.

Talk Shows in the U.S. are union shows which mean they have to pay each guest a union wage to appear. It's rather a small amount compared to their guests normal wages. Last time I checked it was about 500.00 dolars. It may have increased slightly. People go on shows to promote product, they don't do it for the cash. Although, their is trade for favors Star A will appear if they put on star C (because they have the same management co.).

Prince was not paid to the superbowl (that's fact.).

Polo1026 said:

RODSERLING said:

I think you completely misunderstood what Rebeljuice and I said.

I never said every star were paid in the US show.

i never said Prince was paid to perform on the Us SHOW

I just said that Prince, as a freelance artist and a greedy man would have never, never paid one dollar to perform FIXYOURLIFUP on prime time. I quote you many examples when it's clear that Prince never paid anything. Why paying to perform ROCK AND ROLL LOVE AFFAIR for instance ? That's insane, just to think of it.

I even quote you some examples where Prince didn't perform.

I don't know about George Clooney. But as Rebeljuice implied, if a big star must pay to be on Letterman, well he goes to Oprah and get paid, or do the thing for free. I'm sure William Shatner never paid anything to anybody, and that he never moves his big ass unless he's paid. Shatner is a usual guest because he's funny, he's a clown. Everybody knows that he can't sell more than 10 k copies of his books or albums, why making him pay something to appear on TV ? It's even more insane than paying to perform SCREWDRIVER.

Prince is a welcome guest because he's weird, he's secret about his life, is a superstar, and the best performer alive. He always steal the show, no matter what the audience is.

It's a win-win situation. But I'm also sure some star must pay in order to get some attraction. We all agree on this point.

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If I don't understand then tell me. What TV shows in Europe pay aren't a model for what is done in the US. CBS doesn't care if William Shatner is funny and Prince is weird, they care about making money. Prince or Shatner could care less about the shows they appear on, they want the exposure on those TV shows because it makes them marketable for whatever deal they are trying to get with music or tv. These shows aren't run by producers who put people on because they are 'funny' or 'weird' and say hey put him on TV! But for shits sake lets say Prince didn't pay a fee or get paid to perform "fixurlifeup.' The actual cost for flying in his band, equipment, rehearsal space, etc would leave him in the red anyway. I don't see sourced responses anywhere in your replies. You haven't said a single thing about American TV shows. Oprah typically doesn't pay anything unless it's a hot story that people want to see so the show can get a big enough rating to sell the ads so she can make money. Stars go on Oprah because it's OPRAH! Not because there is some pay to play involved. Regardless, if Prince isn't paying to do late night TV in the US, it's highly unlikely that he's getting PAID to appear on the show which means he's losing money to do that performance but he's getting the exposure he wants. It's a fair trade off for him. In Europe I have no idea nor do I care what those shows do because I don't live in Europe or do business there or watch European TV. Pop Idol means zilch to me honestly and if they pay Prince or any stars then fantastic, I know Prince got paid for American Idol(US Pop Idol) and New Girl. Those are TV shows not Talk shows. Think about it sensibly, As you say, they know Prince is an 'attraction' for viewers right? So lets say they don't pay Prince but cover his expenses for his band and travel etc. Then why isn't Prnce performing on TV more often? If what you say is even remotely close to accurate, then Prince is a monumental turd for not performing somewhere every 2-3 months. You know why Prince doesn't do that? because it's more likely that he loses money and only performs on TV when he needs to and it's feasible to do so.

Even Prince knows he can over exspose himself. So, performing on TV all the time would make each performance less "important" to viewers , ad revenues, and the TV shows. BTW most talk shows pay for the hotel and airfare for their "special" guests.

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KoolEaze said:

Askani said:

Where on earth do you live that a CD costs $20?

I paid 18.90 € for each album, that´s roughly 48 US dollars.

Wow. That's pretty expensive... I paid $105 Hong Kong dollards each for them. That works out to about $13 USD each. And I though HK prices would be more expensive.

kewlschool said:

Polo1026 said:

If I don't understand then tell me. What TV shows in Europe pay aren't a model for what is done in the US. CBS doesn't care if William Shatner is funny and Prince is weird, they care about making money. Prince or Shatner could care less about the shows they appear on, they want the exposure on those TV shows because it makes them marketable for whatever deal they are trying to get with music or tv. These shows aren't run by producers who put people on because they are 'funny' or 'weird' and say hey put him on TV! But for shits sake lets say Prince didn't pay a fee or get paid to perform "fixurlifeup.' The actual cost for flying in his band, equipment, rehearsal space, etc would leave him in the red anyway. I don't see sourced responses anywhere in your replies. You haven't said a single thing about American TV shows. Oprah typically doesn't pay anything unless it's a hot story that people want to see so the show can get a big enough rating to sell the ads so she can make money. Stars go on Oprah because it's OPRAH! Not because there is some pay to play involved. Regardless, if Prince isn't paying to do late night TV in the US, it's highly unlikely that he's getting PAID to appear on the show which means he's losing money to do that performance but he's getting the exposure he wants. It's a fair trade off for him. In Europe I have no idea nor do I care what those shows do because I don't live in Europe or do business there or watch European TV. Pop Idol means zilch to me honestly and if they pay Prince or any stars then fantastic, I know Prince got paid for American Idol(US Pop Idol) and New Girl. Those are TV shows not Talk shows. Think about it sensibly, As you say, they know Prince is an 'attraction' for viewers right? So lets say they don't pay Prince but cover his expenses for his band and travel etc. Then why isn't Prnce performing on TV more often? If what you say is even remotely close to accurate, then Prince is a monumental turd for not performing somewhere every 2-3 months. You know why Prince doesn't do that? because it's more likely that he loses money and only performs on TV when he needs to and it's feasible to do so.

Even Prince knows he can over exspose himself. So, performing on TV all the time would make each performance less "important" to viewers , ad revenues, and the TV shows. BTW most talk shows pay for the hotel and airfare for their "special" guests.

[Edited 10/7/14 10:27am]

Replying to both your responses, exactly right. Not only would Prince be overexposing himself, the talk shows would be killing their budgets.

PANDURITO said:

databank said:

Somebody wants a cup of tea?

Shoplifted?

Yeah sure why not?

databank said:

PANDURITO said:

Shoplifted?

Yeah sure why not?

I rest my case, your honor

PANDURITO said:

databank said:

Yeah sure why not?

I rest my case, your honor

As long as you don't cover my ass with a sheet ^^

I preordered both from Amazon, and I think it was £20 for both. First Prince albums I've bought immediately for many years - had really been looking forward to them, after the show at the Hydro in Glasgow.

Pre-ordered both through Warners/Prince's online site.

Downloaded the leaked versions before the release date knowing that I had already paid for them, so that I could listen early until I could rip my own CD copies to the computer.

Love Art Official Age.

Loev the rock stuff on Plectrum Electrum. For me the pop stuff on that record (StopThisTrain, TicTacToe, BoyTrouble) smacks of record label complaining. Probably it contained MenstrualCycle, OctopusHeart and Screwdriver and Warners thought that it was too 'non-commercial', that he should put some poppier stuff on there. Those three tracks don't fit the feel of the record at all, they drain all the momentum from the great rock stuff... but I digress.

There are some artists I still feel obligated to buy physical releases. Prince is one of them. Can't say that I regret buying AOA

I actually still pay for music. However, thats not saying much....I've only bought 2 cd's this year.....AOA and Lenny's "Strut".

I purchased both CDs and could not be more pleased with them. I bought them to stay consistent and keep a complete cd collection of his albums, but also for the cover art.

Bought both on pre-order at the best available sound quality which was the 24-bit WAV files. Wish they came with digital booklets though.

PANDURITO said:

cloUwds said:

I bought both albums in the first week, but I think music sales are continually declining for everybody out there at the moment... I'd assume... Id liek to know what the big sellers are selling these days though.

With more and more people downloading music for free I wonder how long will we be able to purchase our music in physical formats.

"I like to evaluate the worth of a product before purchasing" Yeah, sure "I'll wait until they're at a more fair price for me"

Whatever!. So, if I go to your restaurant, would you let me go without paying? You know, if someday you decrease your prices, I'll return and pay my debt. Promise

yep... the sense of entitlement people have is a) a joke... and b) really just an excuse for stealing shit

i bought both


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Bought both albums in the store at €15 each. It's just a pity AOA doesn't include lyrics (I mean, for that price ... )

Hell naw, I didn't buy them and they're the first Prince albums that I haven't bought. I thought about buying the rock album because there are a few decent songs on it and at least he attempted to continue making actual music. But after hearing the so-called R&B album and seeing that it was a complete sellout attempt to today's sound which is a sound that has absolutely made actual jams extinct on mainstream R&B radio, it pissed me off so I didn't buy either one of them. I mean, an entire R&B album and only one actual jam, which is "The Gold Standard", and the rest of the album having a shit hop vibe. Hell, that's not jamming. That's throwing one track out to the fans that actually like to jam to continue getting their money while selling out with the rest of the album and contributing more to the problem which is called the current mainstream sound rather than throwing down hard on every single track and trying to give people, who still have the good taste to jam, an alternative to today's mainstream sound.

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Fams like to say that's just Prince finally "getting with the times" as an artist and I'm all for getting with the times when the times used to get better. But when the times get worse and you get with them, that's lowering standards and selling out. That's alright though because Prince ain't the only one that can get with the times these days. When I had two or three friends share the mp3 tracks with me, I decided to get the times also and accept them rather than buying the albums. And that pizza I bought with the money I saved, sure tasted good too. Hey, just getting with the times honey. Welcome to the 2010s.

What a *****n' *****.

Pre-orderd and bought both on ITunes. Will be getting the physical cds off amazon in a couple weeks.

Ended up purchasing some songs twice. Had already bought Breakfast can wait from prince site and the remixes from itunes. Had alrready bought Breakdown from Itunes, had already bought Pretzelbodylogic, and fixurlifeup from itunes as well, i think two out of those last three i mentioned didnt count toward the album and got purchased again.

Me!!

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I knew they had arrived at 1.47pm Kiwi time on September 26, I instantly hopped in my car, went to the wrekka stow and by 2.47pm I was home with them.

What I think is funny is that:

1/ I'm certainly not the only person here to have downloaded it "illegally", given that almost everyone I know does it I see no reason why Prince fans would be different.

2/ I'm about the only one to have honestly admitted it (not to say u guys are lying, just that the only ones to reply this threads were the ones who purchased).

3/ So either some people lecture too much and scare the shit outta them or they just won't take responsibility for their actions.

MoBettaBliss said:

PANDURITO said:

With more and more people downloading music for free I wonder how long will we be able to purchase our music in physical formats.

"I like to evaluate the worth of a product before purchasing" Yeah, sure "I'll wait until they're at a more fair price for me"

Whatever!. So, if I go to your restaurant, would you let me go without paying? You know, if someday you decrease your prices, I'll return and pay my debt. Promise

yep... the sense of entitlement people have is a) a joke... and b) really just an excuse for stealing shit

i bought both


.

[Edited 10/8/14 23:59pm]

No no, don't get me wrong, I was very clear in my first post: I steal shit, I take responsibility for it and I don't feel guilty about it for a second, period.

Given that this thread was about who did what I took it for granted that we were expected to honestly respond, not that this thread was a pony trap for whoever didn't buy the albums to get lectured and called names. Obviously it's true for most of the people here for most of them didn't give me shit, but not for everyone.

The reply you quote was just written as a reply to some of the shit I was given, in order to put things in context and somehow try to broaden some people's horizons' regarding the current state of the music industry's economic model and prspects. Now I understand this was a mistake, my bad.

But basically I steal intellectual property, yes. Why do I do it? Because I can. Period. No excuse, no argument.

Fair enough

Some people kill because they can

PANDURITO said:

Fair enough

Some people kill because they can

Obviously, but I have a feeling u're like ONE little inch away from reaching a Point Godwin

Now I wonder how many of the people here who call me a thief are meat-eaters and therefore contribute to the savage exploitation and murder of billions of innocent animals? Because I'd feel waaay badder doing that than downloading albums online.

Morality is only a relative standard, each individual has to define their own moral standards and each social group has to define which people have to be stopped from doing what they do through a set of defined laws.

Everything else is blabbering, really, though it's also everyone's right to rant about the actions of others, something I also do of course, but ranting is only doing any good to the one who's ranting.

databank said:

What I think is funny is that:

1/ I'm certainly not the only person here to have downloaded it "illegally", given that almost everyone I know does it I see no reason why Prince fans would be different.

2/ I'm about the only one to have honestly admitted it (not to say u guys are lying, just that the only ones to reply this threads were the ones who purchased).

3/ So either some people lecture too much and scare the shit outta them or they just won't take responsibility for their actions.

I downloaded both illegally.

I then purchased both and will again if vinyl becomes available to me.

That said, most music I download illegally, I do not purchase.

Most of the time I delete most, if not all, of the downloaded album with no desire to hear it again.

Occasionally if I like something enough I buy it, often I do not.

So obviously, no judgement here.

bought both on pre-order, cuz thats what i do lolol. prince makes it, i buy it. we have had this thing going on for quite some time, i see no need to change our arrangement

djThunderfunk said:

databank said:

What I think is funny is that:

1/ I'm certainly not the only person here to have downloaded it "illegally", given that almost everyone I know does it I see no reason why Prince fans would be different.

2/ I'm about the only one to have honestly admitted it (not to say u guys are lying, just that the only ones to reply this threads were the ones who purchased).

3/ So either some people lecture too much and scare the shit outta them or they just won't take responsibility for their actions.

I downloaded both illegally.

I then purchased both and will again if vinyl becomes available to me.

That said, most music I download illegally, I do not purchase.

Most of the time I delete most, if not all, of the downloaded album with no desire to hear it again.

Occasionally if I like something enough I buy it, often I do not.

So obviously, no judgement here.

U've always been intellectually honest, so I know u won't ever give me BS