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Thread started 02/01/03 8:35am

jthad1129

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Would TRC have a better chance in the religious section?

Take it out of the pop/rock/soul category in the store (just because its Prince) and put the gutter trash in the religious section of cds where it belongs. If Barry Manilow cuts a Christmas cd, is it placed in the Manilow section or the Christmas section? Would it have had a better chance at contemporary Christian Grammy? Gospel inspired spoken word with music? Sorry, I can't stomach this cd, just had to vent, again.
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Reply #1 posted 02/01/03 8:42am

IstenSzek

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"Gutter Trash"?

Now, now. It might not contain "sister" and the last two
songs have very scary lyrics. But all in all it is most
certainly a trip and a half. It's the first album since
"The Truth" that you couldn't humm note 4 note after two
listening sessions.

And it's probably too wide-spread for the religious section
since it's still a bit of a magpie religion he's preaching.
There are Jah elements, but there are also Egyption scores
about monotheism and a sprinkling of other elements in it.

Religious nuts might also freak out when they hear the voice
narrating the whole thing, thinking it was the devil.

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Reply #2 posted 02/01/03 8:43am

Bambi319

Oi! You just nabbed my thread! Mine was more imaginative though!!
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Reply #3 posted 02/01/03 9:01am

jthad1129

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Bambi319 said:

Oi! You just nabbed my thread! Mine was more imaginative though!!



Didn't steal nothing, Grammys are coming up and thought this would have had a better chance as a religious cd rather than a pop/soul cd.

You were talking about religious people selling TRC on TV or something?? confuse
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Reply #4 posted 02/01/03 9:26am

Bambi319

jthad1129 said:

Bambi319 said:

Oi! You just nabbed my thread! Mine was more imaginative though!!



Didn't steal nothing, Grammys are coming up and thought this would have had a better chance as a religious cd rather than a pop/soul cd.

You were talking about religious people selling TRC on TV or something?? confuse


Chill dude. I was just taking the p as our threads started at roughly the same time and same theme.
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Reply #5 posted 02/01/03 9:30am

jthad1129

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Bambi319 said:

jthad1129 said:

Bambi319 said:

Oi! You just nabbed my thread! Mine was more imaginative though!!



Didn't steal nothing, Grammys are coming up and thought this would have had a better chance as a religious cd rather than a pop/soul cd.

You were talking about religious people selling TRC on TV or something?? confuse


Chill dude. I was just taking the p as our threads started at roughly the same time and same theme.


Sorry, seeing the three exclamation points made me think you was all up in my ass or something. This Dude is now chilled ;kiss:
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Reply #6 posted 02/01/03 11:10am

Bambi319

Don't be silly!! nuts
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Reply #7 posted 02/01/03 11:13am

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not quite.

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Reply #8 posted 02/01/03 12:27pm

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Never, because the religious section in most record stores is Religious Right dominant; and they hate the JW's as well as the Mormons, because they see them as cults that take people away from the true Jesus. I have seen many tapes and pamphlets about how Jehovah's Witness people are going to hell and stuff. And also, Prince is the only JW to openly be into making mainstream records.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #9 posted 02/01/03 2:32pm

jthad1129

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2freaky4church1 said:

Never, because the religious section in most record stores is Religious Right dominant; and they hate the JW's as well as the Mormons, because they see them as cults that take people away from the true Jesus. I have seen many tapes and pamphlets about how Jehovah's Witness people are going to hell and stuff. And also, Prince is the only JW to openly be into making mainstream records.



but 'religious' is just that, right? Not Christian, Buddist, Jehovah, Mormon music etc. What makes it a pop cd, the performer or its religious context? If Amy Grant can go pop from Christian, can't prince go from pop to religious
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Reply #10 posted 02/01/03 2:34pm

Wolf

2freaky4church1 said:

And also, Prince is the only JW to openly be into making mainstream records.


You never heard of George Benson or Michael Jackson who was once a Witness? There are most likely more we havent heard about that just aren't open with it. And if TRC can be called a mainstream record so can every record solo or group recording with Graham Central Station that Larry Graham put out.

Actually those Graham records would be considered MORE mainstream than TRC since Graham was on a major label and TRC is not.
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Reply #11 posted 03/21/03 3:32pm

gyro34

Indeed. It is too JW. I've listened to it about three times, but I think that it is not worth my time or money. Boy, am I not sorry to have bought it!
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Reply #12 posted 03/21/03 5:17pm

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I wouldn't call TRC gutter trash. Musically it's interesting and entertaining. Lyrically a trip, indeed.
The controversy is solely in the lyrics.
I would have to wholeheartedly agree with IstenSzek that TRC is a magpie of a religion lyrically. While a JW thread runs through it, there are obviously other elements. I never fully understood why people focused only on the JW theme and hardly any comments were made about the other religious elements. It's as if they didn't even exist. Perhaps the JW thing is the stronger and more obvious.

So I would say yes, it's a religious record of sorts, but no, it is not a Jehovah's Witness record per se. It "tries" to be a JW record.
Also, it definitely is NOT a Gospel or Christian record. Maybe "another gospel"(the gospel according to Prince?) inspired spoken word, but not THE Gospel.
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Reply #13 posted 03/22/03 5:54pm

gyro34

mistermcgee said:

I wouldn't call TRC gutter trash. Musically it's interesting and entertaining. Lyrically a trip, indeed.
The controversy is solely in the lyrics.
I would have to wholeheartedly agree with IstenSzek that TRC is a magpie of a religion lyrically. While a JW thread runs through it, there are obviously other elements. I never fully understood why people focused only on the JW theme and hardly any comments were made about the other religious elements. It's as if they didn't even exist. Perhaps the JW thing is the stronger and more obvious.

So I would say yes, it's a religious record of sorts, but no, it is not a Jehovah's Witness record per se. It "tries" to be a JW record.
Also, it definitely is NOT a Gospel or Christian record. Maybe "another gospel"(the gospel according to Prince?) inspired spoken word, but not THE Gospel.

mistermcgee, which other religious elements are you refering to? I value your opinion.
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Reply #14 posted 03/22/03 6:39pm

Lammastide

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I actually think this might have been an interesting approach. When artists put out experiments in tangential genres (holiday, soundtracks or symphonic re-orchestrations, for example), those projects ARE typically marketed as both the traditional genre of that artist and the particular genre of the project. As it were, once again, Prince has done something pioneering in totally eradicating genre boundaries.

Sure, TRC was largely JW and not mainstream Christian gospel, but there are, in fact, religious recordings covering a variety of denominations. I'd have liked to see that marketing strategy... if only for kicks.
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Reply #15 posted 03/22/03 6:56pm

Anji

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quote Cosmicslop:

It is a retelling of the Genesis story, and refers to the temptation of the wise one's (Prince's) woman (Mayte?) by the serpent, or in this case the resistor. The resistor knows that the wise one's love for god is so strong, that he decides to assimilate/tempt the woman first and only. She falls, and is banished from the garden/rainbow forever (Mayte leaves Prince for good).

The remainder of the album is concerned with the wise one (Prince) explicitly laying down his conditions for a new love - ie the muse (Mani?) must share his understanding and love for god to truly understand and love him. By "She Loves Me 4 Me" it is clear that the muse has reached this understanding and true love. It reminds me of the scene in GB when he plays hangman with Aura.

Through this main narrative, Prince touches on common themes of the medicocrity of mass media, the history of his people and the treatment of his musical heroes by this mass media, and how ultimately he doesn't care for their rules, because he is secure within the walls of his palace to do as he pleases. His faith in god is his faith in his abilities because his music is a gift from god, and rises above the criticisms of others.

At least, that is one of my takes on it. There are lots of levels of understanding on this album, which is why it is one of my favourites - whilst people have said it is explicit and unambiguous, I believe that it can be interpreted in many ways, as most of his albums can. For all the dressin gup in pseudo biblical terms, however, I do think one major strand in TRC is autobiographical, and describes how Prince has moved on from the Mayte years and found an equal. Don't forget a few years ago he made a huge public and artistic thing out of his relationship to Mayte and for him to move on required an equal artistic statement. However he has learnt to keep his new love out of the public eye, and to express his love in a less explicit way than previously.
Dig deeper, y'all.
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Reply #16 posted 03/22/03 6:59pm

Lammastide

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Anji said:

To

quote Cosmicslop:

It is a retelling of the Genesis story, and refers to the temptation of the wise one's (Prince's) woman (Mayte?) by the serpent, or in this case the resistor. The resistor knows that the wise one's love for god is so strong, that he decides to assimilate/tempt the woman first and only. She falls, and is banished from the garden/rainbow forever (Mayte leaves Prince for good).

The remainder of the album is concerned with the wise one (Prince) explicitly laying down his conditions for a new love - ie the muse (Mani?) must share his understanding and love for god to truly understand and love him. By "She Loves Me 4 Me" it is clear that the muse has reached this understanding and true love. It reminds me of the scene in GB when he plays hangman with Aura.

Through this main narrative, Prince touches on common themes of the medicocrity of mass media, the history of his people and the treatment of his musical heroes by this mass media, and how ultimately he doesn't care for their rules, because he is secure within the walls of his palace to do as he pleases. His faith in god is his faith in his abilities because his music is a gift from god, and rises above the criticisms of others.

At least, that is one of my takes on it. There are lots of levels of understanding on this album, which is why it is one of my favourites - whilst people have said it is explicit and unambiguous, I believe that it can be interpreted in many ways, as most of his albums can. For all the dressin gup in pseudo biblical terms, however, I do think one major strand in TRC is autobiographical, and describes how Prince has moved on from the Mayte years and found an equal. Don't forget a few years ago he made a huge public and artistic thing out of his relationship to Mayte and for him to move on required an equal artistic statement. However he has learnt to keep his new love out of the public eye, and to express his love in a less explicit way than previously.
Dig deeper, y'all.

You're awesome, Anji.
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μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
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Reply #17 posted 03/22/03 7:00pm

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Hmmm.. Incidentally, I wonder how Mayte feels about Prince's new path and his new spiritual match, Mani.
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Reply #18 posted 03/22/03 8:57pm

mistermcgee

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gyro34 said:mistermcgee, which other religious elements are you refering to? I value your opinion.

One that comes to mind is the Akashic record. Edgar Cayce(a spiritualist medium) and Theosophy would fall under this subject. It is hardly a Jehovah's Witness religious influence.
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Reply #19 posted 03/22/03 9:09pm

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If a pre-labeled "Christian artist" would have made TRC, they would have called that person a genius for the beautiful story/lyric opera that is the album. But religious music is even more "segregated" than mainstream music. If anyone who is not on a Christian label or commonly played on Christian stations puts out spiritual music, they are largely ignored by the Christian community. (And you can bet on it that mainstream radio won't touch those songs either.) It doesn't matter if it's the most spiritually beautiful song ever written -- if it's not a "Christian artist," they ain't getting any Christian radio airplay, nor a place in any Christian stores. There's even a lot of controversy within the Christian music scene whenever a 'christian artist' puts out a song that doesn't have a strong Christ message in it. There was major controversy when Amy Grant started recording pop material, for instance, even though it was mild as can be by anyone's standards. People who buy only Christian music have a hard time with anyone who has ever been well known.
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