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Thread started 09/30/14 8:11am

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A fan's response to the Guardian Review

Had to share. This guy is not only spot on but he can write like a mf

Mine perineum. Damned with faint praise indeed.
Having closely followed Prince's career path for nigh on 22 years, each release has only served to confirm my initial teenage suspicions regarding this truly unique, incomparably talented, frustratingly obstinate mad professor who undoubtedly despises the entire human race for not being able to keep up, for just not getting it, for ridiculing a truly special consciousness from striving to flower into all it can be in this transient, all too brief flash of existence.
His beautiful specialness mocked and derided and belittled by those who have never picked up an instrument, pen or tool to express themselves from their bricked bubbles of self-loathing. Who have never bent their brain to try to understand what music actually is, what sound is and what purpose it serves to mammals - and I'm not spiritual or tinfoil hatted in the least.
A single musical note, I feel, is beyond human criticism. Any vibration on the tiny scale that our pishy ears can detect. It is the intent and inspiration behind the order of these notes are are played which is being judged - now, I hear you saying this is obvious. Whats my point?
My very humble opinion, is that this review is pointless for anyone wanting to know how 'good' these albums are. It's certainly not for me to spell out when people look into the void only the void stares back, and you can only ger gratification from what you bring to the party yourself. You need knowledge. You need the hunger to comprehend what an artist is trying to convey or express. I'd hope any critic, not just this one, who seems very levelled and balanced, calling out 57-year-old Prince Nelson, who scraped God's shoes with unmatched levels of inspiration and, yes, genius achievement before they had hair on the balls, should at least listen to the record a few times instead of skipping through it while browsing through a few websites.
Grim, blinkered perceptions limit everyone's perceptions. It's genuinely maddening to read that this ever-evolving musician who dared to give it all up, to walk away from fame, who wrote slave on his face to protest against corporate evils, who fought and rose above the most cruel and demeaning and disrespectful slurs a human could possibly experience over the past 20 years.
Lies such as he has been making the same mixed style bag record for 20 years, he's no longer musically daring, lyrically banal, sanitised kiddy muzak, jazz noodling bore etc etc etc bore anyone of any sound mind. It's ridiculous. Self-obsessed or starsailor? Bit of both probably, like us all, but someone has to call out the flux half-arsed drone blah heard in the majority of the mainstream press since Lovesexy, where not enough time is being spent with the works, where letters are put together, like musical notes with some artists, without true passion or inspiration.


*This rant was intentionally unfocused. As is AOA. It's music of the mind, genreless, a true trip, a brilliantly mad, surreal, magical and, ultimately and unexpectedly, emotionally devastating in conclusion. It's about death. It's about the race to the end, it's about facing mortality, the dying of the light, with a burst of energy that blinds all and makes a true and definitive statement. I am still here. I am alive. 'Most people in this world are born dead. But I was born alive'. If you understand, then you'll understand. He's back.
I believe criticising a true genius with widescreen pereption of the human condition for being messy is obviously absurd. Life is messy. Life is unfocused. Not every album can be The Songs Of Leonard Cohen. Which I adore, but Christ this is stratospheres above, looking down from the Hubble telescope on all ants on Earth and the self-built walls containing them. Stopping them from being who they want to me. Like Frankie said, don't dream it, be it. Prince is the imagination of himself. We can all be too. But it takes bravery.

PPS
The 'messy' first song is a parody on modern chart styles, pumping them hard up the arse and soaking them in Paisley -patterned, lavender-smelling creamy spunk. A piss-take, a mocking bite into the poison apple of popular culture, spat out with a grin, makes it funky - not in the musical sense but in the blood from stone, real from artifice, bleeps and binary quirks, to life, sense. It is the metaphorical 'cage' the modern-day Prince is trapped in. Clouds is the 45-year elongated death of the digital dream, the rest of the album is him waking up in a future where he is confused that he is understood and adored and not derided for trying to be all a human can be. For defying the limitations placed by all who went before him because they got old, bored, tired and gave up. Prince goes home. Prince stays forever Prince.
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Reply #1 posted 09/30/14 8:16am

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stoned stoned stoned

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #2 posted 09/30/14 8:58am

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loved it ... classic .

Colonel Angus may be smelly. colonel angus may be a little rough . but deep down ... Colonel angus is very sweet.
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Reply #3 posted 09/30/14 9:11am

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so i suppose clouds is a parody too .. cuz that song is shit .. aoc is much better and not a parody at all .. in fact i am pretty sure it quotes several prince songs intentionally .. the chelsae bassline .. the classic tony m era .. etc ..

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Reply #4 posted 09/30/14 9:13am

JoeTyler

the guardian review was totally accurate and even a bit merciful...

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Reply #5 posted 09/30/14 9:16am

JoeTyler

if anything, the Prince World of the post 2010-era has bred a TOTALLY NEW kind of fam, that DIDN'T exist before (I think): the blind, hyperbolic, hysterical supporter who will overrate any new thing he releases (something which didn't happen with Musicology, 3121, 20Ten, not even with LotusFlow3r, when the consensus was that Prince had released a very strong guitar album, but not necessarily a masterpiece)

in other words: say hello to the WACKO JACKO-like faMs of Prince...

tinkerbell
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Reply #6 posted 09/30/14 9:26am

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Reply #7 posted 09/30/14 9:26am

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JoeTyler said:

if anything, the Prince World of the post 2010-era has bred a TOTALLY NEW kind of fam, that DIDN'T exist before (I think): the blind, hyperbolic, hysterical supporter who will overrate any new thing he releases (something which didn't happen with Musicology, 3121, 20Ten, not even with LotusFlow3r, when the consensus was that Prince had released a very strong guitar album, but not necessarily a masterpiece)

in other words: say hello to the WACKO JACKO-like faMs of Prince...

Yeah, I've noticed this too. Even before I heard the new record I was on here reading comments like "it's his best since Lovesexy" etc and I couldn't tell whether these folks were trolling or not, but I actually think they were being serious. Having heard AOA for myself, I would say it's his best record since.... 20Ten.

I suppose now MJ is dead, the loony fans are channelling their unadulterated adoration onto Prince now....

[Edited 9/30/14 9:28am]

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Reply #8 posted 09/30/14 9:32am

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JoeTyler said:

if anything, the Prince World of the post 2010-era has bred a TOTALLY NEW kind of fam, that DIDN'T exist before (I think): the blind, hyperbolic, hysterical supporter who will overrate any new thing he releases (something which didn't happen with Musicology, 3121, 20Ten, not even with LotusFlow3r, when the consensus was that Prince had released a very strong guitar album, but not necessarily a masterpiece)

in other words: say hello to the WACKO JACKO-like faMs of Prince...

Nonsense. Prince has always had his rabbid fanbase.

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Reply #9 posted 09/30/14 9:35am

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JoeTyler said:

if anything, the Prince World of the post 2010-era has bred a TOTALLY NEW kind of fam, that DIDN'T exist before (I think): the blind, hyperbolic, hysterical supporter who will overrate any new thing he releases (something which didn't happen with Musicology, 3121, 20Ten, not even with LotusFlow3r, when the consensus was that Prince had released a very strong guitar album, but not necessarily a masterpiece)

in other words: say hello to the WACKO JACKO-like faMs of Prince...

Ridiculous ramblings just like all of your posts regarding AOA. We got it you don't like it stop posting your trash every four seconds...

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Reply #10 posted 09/30/14 9:42am

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TrevorAyer said:

so i suppose clouds is a parody too .. cuz that song is shit .. aoc is much better and not a parody at all .. in fact i am pretty sure it quotes several prince songs intentionally .. the chelsae bassline .. the classic tony m era .. etc ..

Not parody. A parody is something else entirely. There is however as the OP said a whole heap of sarcasm.

The song is call Art Official Cage. Thats the first clue.

This song isn't radio friendly at all - it's never going to be played on top 40 stations. The song is deliberately pompous and bombastic. If you missed that, then you don't understand Prince or his music at all.

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Reply #11 posted 09/30/14 10:01am

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Noodled24 said:

TrevorAyer said:

so i suppose clouds is a parody too .. cuz that song is shit .. aoc is much better and not a parody at all .. in fact i am pretty sure it quotes several prince songs intentionally .. the chelsae bassline .. the classic tony m era .. etc ..

Not parody. A parody is something else entirely. There is however as the OP said a whole heap of sarcasm.

The song is call Art Official Cage. Thats the first clue.

This song isn't radio friendly at all - it's never going to be played on top 40 stations. The song is deliberately pompous and bombastic. If you missed that, then you don't understand Prince or his music at all.

ding! ding! we have a winner!

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Reply #12 posted 09/30/14 10:17am

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Some time ago when I had first listened to Prince's newest album (after being a fan of his previous works), I had a very difficult time digesting it. It was weird, unconventional and in spots abbrasive to my ears. I almost gave up on it and discarded those raving about it as lunatic fans. I then asked myself what is more likely? That Prince, with all his obvious talent, had spent all those hours in the recording studio to release upon the world his most intimate art, a gigantic turd of a record, or... just perhaps.. it was me not getting it, or running up against something that was just not my cup of tea? I decided to give the record a bunch more spins and low and behold it slowly revealed its greatness to me. That album was Purple Rain. Never again will I judge his music on a couple of spins.

Sure Prince has laid some eggs, but for the most part if you really hate the album, it is likely you and your specific tastes, not the quality of the music. Time has proven that true as many of his classics were originally met with luke warm response.

AOA is a gem, and I have not enjoyed an album of his this much since Sign.

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Reply #13 posted 09/30/14 10:22am

JoeTyler

Noodled24 said:

JoeTyler said:

if anything, the Prince World of the post 2010-era has bred a TOTALLY NEW kind of fam, that DIDN'T exist before (I think): the blind, hyperbolic, hysterical supporter who will overrate any new thing he releases (something which didn't happen with Musicology, 3121, 20Ten, not even with LotusFlow3r, when the consensus was that Prince had released a very strong guitar album, but not necessarily a masterpiece)

in other words: say hello to the WACKO JACKO-like faMs of Prince...

Nonsense. Prince has always had his rabbid fanbase.

as I said, I DON'T remember people BLINDLY OVERRATING his 00s albums, other than TRC...

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Reply #14 posted 09/30/14 10:23am

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2020 said:

JoeTyler said:

if anything, the Prince World of the post 2010-era has bred a TOTALLY NEW kind of fam, that DIDN'T exist before (I think): the blind, hyperbolic, hysterical supporter who will overrate any new thing he releases (something which didn't happen with Musicology, 3121, 20Ten, not even with LotusFlow3r, when the consensus was that Prince had released a very strong guitar album, but not necessarily a masterpiece)

in other words: say hello to the WACKO JACKO-like faMs of Prince...

Ridiculous ramblings just like all of your posts regarding AOA. We got it you don't like it stop posting your trash every four seconds...

oh, a fam who is losing it, get a grip, nobody's gonna take AOA away from you

tinkerbell
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Reply #15 posted 09/30/14 10:25am

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2funkE said:

Some time ago when I had first listened to Prince's newest album (after being a fan of his previous works), I had a very difficult time digesting it. It was weird, unconventional and in spots abbrasive to my ears. I almost gave up on it and discarded those raving about it as lunatic fans. I then asked myself what is more likely? That Prince, with all his obvious talent, had spent all those hours in the recording studio to release upon the world his most intimate art, a gigantic turd of a record, or... just perhaps.. it was me not getting it, or running up against something that was just not my cup of tea? I decided to give the record a bunch more spins and low and behold it slowly revealed its greatness to me. That album was Purple Rain. Never again will I judge his music on a couple of spins.

Sure Prince has laid some eggs, but for the most part if you really hate the album, it is likely you and your specific tastes, not the quality of the music. Time has proven that true as many of his classics were originally met with luke warm response.

AOA is a gem, and I have not enjoyed an album of his this much since Sign.

seriously HOW OLD ARE YOU? that's actually a civil question, I mean, were you even around when he released albums like TGE?

tinkerbell
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Reply #16 posted 09/30/14 10:33am

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JoeTyler said:

Noodled24 said:

Nonsense. Prince has always had his rabbid fanbase.

as I said, I DON'T remember people BLINDLY OVERRATING his 00s albums, other than TRC...

What a spectacularly banal point to make. Well done. Doesn't that alone disprove your point? People like AOA... not so much with anything else in the 00's. That should tell you something.

Nobody has blindly overrated anything. People are talking about what they're hearing. Literally every review in the media has declared "Prince has a new sound" "Prince sounds refreshed". Fans on the org are pleased with what they're hearing.

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In another thread you're arguing the toss with me by claiming FunknRoll (on AOA) is a rock song. That suggests you've not paid any attention to this album. The only blind one here is you. You're entitled to your opinion good or bad but it should at least be an informed opinion.

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Reply #17 posted 09/30/14 10:38am

JoeTyler

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JoeTyler said:

as I said, I DON'T remember people BLINDLY OVERRATING his 00s albums, other than TRC...

What a spectacularly banal point to make. Well done. Doesn't that alone disprove your point? People like AOA... not so much with anything else in the 00's. That should tell you something.

Nobody has blindly overrated anything. People are talking about what they're hearing. Literally every review in the media has declared "Prince has a new sound" "Prince sounds refreshed". Fans on the org are pleased with what they're hearing.

.

In another thread you're arguing the toss with me by claiming FunknRoll (on AOA) is a rock song. That suggests you've not paid any attention to this album. The only blind one here is you. You're entitled to your opinion good or bad but it should at least be an informed opinion.

.

you truly are intelligent, aren't you

WITH WHAT SOURCE CAN YOU BACK UP THIS (YOURS) STATEMENT?: "Nonsense. Prince has always had his rabbid fanbase."

you're quite the walking contradiction

and as I've said, it's not my fault if you cannot detect a rock song

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Reply #18 posted 09/30/14 10:40am

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JoeTyler said:

2funkE said:

Some time ago when I had first listened to Prince's newest album (after being a fan of his previous works), I had a very difficult time digesting it. It was weird, unconventional and in spots abbrasive to my ears. I almost gave up on it and discarded those raving about it as lunatic fans. I then asked myself what is more likely? That Prince, with all his obvious talent, had spent all those hours in the recording studio to release upon the world his most intimate art, a gigantic turd of a record, or... just perhaps.. it was me not getting it, or running up against something that was just not my cup of tea? I decided to give the record a bunch more spins and low and behold it slowly revealed its greatness to me. That album was Purple Rain. Never again will I judge his music on a couple of spins.

Sure Prince has laid some eggs, but for the most part if you really hate the album, it is likely you and your specific tastes, not the quality of the music. Time has proven that true as many of his classics were originally met with luke warm response.

AOA is a gem, and I have not enjoyed an album of his this much since Sign.

seriously HOW OLD ARE YOU? that's actually a civil question, I mean, were you even around when he released albums like TGE?

40 something. Been a fan since 81.

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Reply #19 posted 09/30/14 10:43am

JoeTyler

2funkE said:

JoeTyler said:

seriously HOW OLD ARE YOU? that's actually a civil question, I mean, were you even around when he released albums like TGE?

40 something. Been a fan since 81.

great, next question

EXACTLY WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL/THINK AOA IS HIS MOST ENJOYABLE ALBUM SINCE SOTT?

I'm asking this because YOU WERE AROUND when he released albums like Lovesexy, LoveSymbol, TGE, TRC, or even Lotus, hardly lightweight albums

please, make me understand what's so great about AOA, I'M NOT asking for a DESCRIPTION of the songs, -> I wanna know how do you FEEL about AOA

tinkerbell
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Reply #20 posted 09/30/14 10:49am

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JoeTyler said:

2funkE said:

40 something. Been a fan since 81.

great, next question

EXACTLY WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL/THINK AOA IS HIS MOST ENJOYABLE ALBUM SINCE SOTT?

I'm asking this because YOU WERE AROUND when he released albums like Lovesexy, LoveSymbol, TGE, TRC, or even Lotus, hardly lightweight albums

please, make me understand what's so great about AOA, I'M NOT asking for a DESCRIPTION of the songs, -> I wanna know how do you FEEL about AOA

Why don't you actually take some time to read all the reviews from longtime fans on this site along with all the reviews that have been posted instead of posting your troll ass comments consistently?

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Reply #21 posted 09/30/14 10:49am

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JoeTyler said:

Noodled24 said:

What a spectacularly banal point to make. Well done. Doesn't that alone disprove your point? People like AOA... not so much with anything else in the 00's. That should tell you something.

Nobody has blindly overrated anything. People are talking about what they're hearing. Literally every review in the media has declared "Prince has a new sound" "Prince sounds refreshed". Fans on the org are pleased with what they're hearing.

.

In another thread you're arguing the toss with me by claiming FunknRoll (on AOA) is a rock song. That suggests you've not paid any attention to this album. The only blind one here is you. You're entitled to your opinion good or bad but it should at least be an informed opinion.

.

you truly are intelligent, aren't you

Thanks

WITH WHAT SOURCE CAN YOU BACK UP THIS (YOURS) STATEMENT?: "Nonsense. Prince has always had his rabbid fanbase."

Prince.org

Are you claiming that until 2010 Prince never had a hardcore following?

you're quite the walking contradiction

and as I've said, it's not my fault if you cannot detect a rock song

Never said it was. I just like a laugh, and watching you wriggle when pressed for details is funny to me.

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Reply #22 posted 09/30/14 10:57am

JoeTyler

Noodled24 said:

JoeTyler said:

Prince.org

Are you claiming that until 2010 Prince never had a hardcore following?

I claimed that until NOW (2014) I hadn't detected SOME people FULLY overrating a new P album

you're quite the walking contradiction

and as I've said, it's not my fault if you cannot detect a rock song

Never said it was. I just like a laugh, and watching you wriggle when pressed for details is funny to me.

How can you even WATCH how I'm reacting to your pitiful attempts at annoyance? wow, you truly are arrogant (not so sure about intelligent); if sometimes I use capitals it's because I KNOW some of you guys of the Prince Music and More forum are SLOW and need CAPITALS to get the message; in the end you're nothing more than a NOBODY who has posted less than 200 posts (in total) since joining in 2007, congratulations

[Edited 9/30/14 10:59am]

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Reply #23 posted 09/30/14 10:58am

JoeTyler

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JoeTyler said:

great, next question

EXACTLY WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL/THINK AOA IS HIS MOST ENJOYABLE ALBUM SINCE SOTT?

I'm asking this because YOU WERE AROUND when he released albums like Lovesexy, LoveSymbol, TGE, TRC, or even Lotus, hardly lightweight albums

please, make me understand what's so great about AOA, I'M NOT asking for a DESCRIPTION of the songs, -> I wanna know how do you FEEL about AOA

Why don't you actually take some time to read all the reviews from longtime fans on this site along with all the reviews that have been posted instead of posting your troll ass comments consistently?

and why do you KEEP DIRECTLY replying to MY posts?

am I detecting interest? is that it? come here oral

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Reply #24 posted 09/30/14 11:08am

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JoeTyler said:

Prince.org

Are you claiming that until 2010 Prince never had a hardcore following?

I claimed that until NOW (2014) I hadn't detected SOME people FULLY overrating a new P album

Well maybe you should pay more attention.

How can you even WATCH how I'm reacting to your pitiful attempts at annoyance?

Annoyance? get a grip. All I have done is ask you for some details on your "thoughts" and look how defensive you get.

wow, you truly are arrogant (not so sure about intelligent);

Both.

.

All I've done is ask you to flesh out your thoughts... rather than doing that you've devolved to insults and "I don't need to answer to you" statements - don't know why, you've been more than happy to put your thoughts out there so far.

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Reply #25 posted 09/30/14 11:18am

JoeTyler

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All I've done is ask you to flesh out your thoughts...

Wrong; mockery and condescendence almost since the very beginning


rather than doing that you've devolved to insults

arrogant and nobody are adjectives, not insults, I know the rules of the org; am I an asshole? maybe, well: sure (well, in the Prince forum, that is), but, a banned asshole? never

EPILOGUE:

and "I don't need to answer to you" statements - don't know why, you've been more than happy to put your thoughts out there so far.

as I've said, you played your game (pseudo-intellectual keyboard warrior) and I've played mine (smartass assole); I think this conversation has reached its limit; now PROVE that you're a last word freak and post something more, come on, do it, I dare you wink

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Reply #26 posted 09/30/14 11:25am

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I smell a lock coming, my lock finger is getting itchy.... enough with the bickering, please.

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Reply #27 posted 09/30/14 11:27am

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Noodled24 said:

All I've done is ask you to flesh out your thoughts...

Wrong; mockery and condescendence almost since the very beginning

Maybe you just have low self esteem?

rather than doing that you've devolved to insults

arrogant and nobody are adjectives, not insults, I know the rules of the org; am I an asshole? maybe, well: sure (well, in the Prince forum, that is), but, a banned asshole? never

EPILOGUE:

and "I don't need to answer to you" statements - don't know why, you've been more than happy to put your thoughts out there so far.

as I've said, you played your game (pseudo-intellectual keyboard warrior) and I've played mine (smartass assole); I think this conversation has reached its limit; now PROVE that you're a last word freak and post something more, come on, do it, I dare you wink

I've not played any games. Everyone reading the thread can see how you've avoided any depth in conversation.


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Reply #28 posted 09/30/14 11:31am

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JoeTyler said:

2funkE said:

40 something. Been a fan since 81.

great, next question

EXACTLY WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL/THINK AOA IS HIS MOST ENJOYABLE ALBUM SINCE SOTT?

I'm asking this because YOU WERE AROUND when he released albums like Lovesexy, LoveSymbol, TGE, TRC, or even Lotus, hardly lightweight albums

please, make me understand what's so great about AOA, I'M NOT asking for a DESCRIPTION of the songs, -> I wanna know how do you FEEL about AOA

With all due respect Joe, I am not going to take the time to do that. What I prefer does not need justifying to anyone. I will just say it has more of those "Prince Moments" that make you smile and I like every song. To be fair it is all new, and I don't listen to the "Classics" much anymore because, while awesome, I have moved on and want something different.

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Reply #29 posted 09/30/14 11:46am

JoeTyler

Noodled24 said:


Maybe you just have low self esteem?

rather than doing that you've devolved to insults

arrogant and nobody are adjectives, not insults, I know the rules of the org; am I an asshole? maybe, well: sure (well, in the Prince forum, that is), but, a banned asshole? never

EPILOGUE:

and "I don't need to answer to you" statements - don't know why, you've been more than happy to put your thoughts out there so far.

as I've said, you played your game (pseudo-intellectual keyboard warrior) and I've played mine (smartass assole); I think this conversation has reached its limit; now PROVE that you're a last word freak and post something more, come on, do it, I dare you wink

I've not played any games. Everyone reading the thread can see how you've avoided any depth in conversation.


thanks for proving me right! biggrin

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