[snip - nonsense - M]

JoeTyler said:

don't worry fams, I'm leaving this thread for good, because the always right NouveauDance opened my eyes: it's pointless to argue with overexcited people who just won't reason

if you like AOA, then go ahead, have some fun, I just...pity you, and your taste

there it is again. you just can't help it.
and you still do not get it. it is NOT about AOA. who likes it likes it, who doesn't does not. SIMPLE.

it's about your fuckin' attitude
now can you spell "annyoing arrogant little prick" with me?

Dancelot said:

JoeTyler said:

don't worry fams, I'm leaving this thread for good, because the always right NouveauDance opened my eyes: it's pointless to argue with overexcited people who just won't reason

if you like AOA, then go ahead, have some fun, I just...pity you, and your taste

there it is again. you just can't help it.
and you still do not get it. it is NOT about AOA. who likes it likes it, who doesn't does not. SIMPLE.

it's about your fuckin' attitude
now can you spell "annyoing arrogant little prick" with me?

who's the LAST WORD FREAK now, eh? there it is again, you just can't help it.

JoeTyler said:

who's the LAST WORD FREAK now, eh? there it is again, you just can't help it.

obviously you :lol;





















Duh!

http://soultrain.com/2014/10/02/album-review-princes-art-official-age/

Art Official Age is experimental and quirky, yet enticing. With the perfect blend of old and new, familiar and explorative, it harkens a new era for one of the most prolific, innovative, and imaginative musicians of all time.

Whiskas31 said:

Rebeljuice said:

It's one thing to express an opinion, discuss your opinion, debate with others with differing opinions and generally have a civil, even heated, discussion. It is another thing to constantly repeat, adnausium, your point over and over and over and over and over and over and over again....

Imagine trying to have an actual face-to-face conversation with someone that went like this:

YOU: I think the album is great because it sounds new.

THEM: It is crap and utter garbage, I wont listen to it again.
YOU: But are there no songs you like on it?

THEM: It is crap and utter garbage, I wont listen to it again. You wouldnt listen to it either if you knew what I knew.

YOU: You really think it is that crap? You cant even find anything remotely good to say about it?

THEM: It is crap and utter garbage.

YOU: Well, Im really liking Way Back Home. Something new and fresh!

THEM: It is crap and utter garbage. You wouldnt listen to it if you knew what I knew.

YOU: Ok I get it, you dont like it. Shall we move on?

THEM: It is crap and utter garbage, I wont listen to it again.

YOU: I know, you said that already, lets just talk about something else.

THEM: I dont want to talk about anything else. I want to talk about how the album is crap and utter garbage, I wont listen to it again.

YOU: Fine, Im off to talk to someone else. See ya later. (you walk away and talk to someone else)

THEM: (walks over and butts into your conversation) Have you heard the new album? It is crap and utter garbage, I wont listen to it again.

YOU: Can you please leave me alone. I know what you think, I am now talking to someone else, thank you.

THEM: No, I will stay here because you need to accept it is crap and utter garbage, I wont listen to it again. You wouldnt listen to it either if you knew what I knew....

And so on and so forth...

Now that would piss you off wouldnt it?

I wasn't necessarily singling out your discussion in my comment, there are plenty of other examples. but as you asked... It wouldn't piss me off because no one is in the right or wrong here. You're arguing that his opinion is wrong, he's argung that yours is wrong. If the person continually states that he or she thinks the album is shit without elaborating, why bother to continue the discussion? It seems that you were just adamant in trying to prove him otherwise, when you should have just let it go (in my opinion). Don't mean to offend and I'm not picking sides. Perhaps both of you should just step away from the argument, before you kill eachother.

Edit: Just read back, and it seems the guy is a bit of a wind up. Why not just go and listen to the new album again, and forget about it all?

[Edited 10/3/14 5:02am]

This is actually the first time I have engaged with him. And it was only out of frustration as I have been trying to catch up on a very long thread, and every other comment seems to be from him saying the same thing over and over. Irritating, nothing more, nothing less. So I did what he wants, and I took the bait. My mistake. Anyway, Im done with him now, I just had to vent. Fortunately I will never have to share a pint with him in the real world. He wouldnt last 5 minutes where I come from.

Taking your advice. Headphones on...

Dancelot said:

JoeTyler said:

you fams are contradictory..and quite disrespectful, since, unlike me, you're always ready to use insults...

fam? LOL LOL what is a fam? enlighten me? okay, I've been following him since Controvesy through all ups and downs, and yes, even enjoyed quite a selection from his recent outpout from the last 10 to 20 years, though the albums were obviously never as consistent as in his prime. I own all his physical albums, but never went for his download or online nonsense at any point in time, I don't collect memorabila and all kinda stuff and I don't travel around the world to see him, but I do go to concerts when he is in my area (rarely happens, 5 or 6 times since 1987) and that's about it... though I do not really know what a "fam" is, I'm rather sure that I am not in that pattern, but whateva floats your boat

yeah? and then how do you call the "AOA is P best album since TGE" or "since Lovesexy" posts? aren't those "arrogant facts"?

so maybe you have a comprehension problem with everyday language.. in practically all of those cases you can add "in my opinion" to "the best since..." in your mind. that is usually the menaing, not more. not less. after such a phrase and an probable counter opinion by someone else, it's usually over, end of debate.

but who of those others kept on INSISTING over various threads, that it is indeed is "the best" not only for him/her personally, but that others should "face it, accept it, deal with it"? who's so obsessed to even add it to his freaking signature?!?! LOL who insisted "it can't be repeated often enough" and so on and so on...?

if you can't see the difference so be it.
and now I'll let you have the last word, cause you live for it

[Edited 10/3/14 5:26am]

Well said, Dancelot. The more sane, less angry people already understand this. lol As the media's reviews continue to roll in I think history will prove to be very kind to AOA. (IN MY OPINION.)

Rebeljuice said:

Whiskas31 said:

I wasn't necessarily singling out your discussion in my comment, there are plenty of other examples. but as you asked... It wouldn't piss me off because no one is in the right or wrong here. You're arguing that his opinion is wrong, he's argung that yours is wrong. If the person continually states that he or she thinks the album is shit without elaborating, why bother to continue the discussion? It seems that you were just adamant in trying to prove him otherwise, when you should have just let it go (in my opinion). Don't mean to offend and I'm not picking sides. Perhaps both of you should just step away from the argument, before you kill eachother.

Edit: Just read back, and it seems the guy is a bit of a wind up. Why not just go and listen to the new album again, and forget about it all?

[Edited 10/3/14 5:02am]

This is actually the first time I have engaged with him. And it was only out of frustration as I have been trying to catch up on a very long thread, and every other comment seems to be from him saying the same thing over and over. Irritating, nothing more, nothing less. So I did what he wants, and I took the bait. My mistake. Anyway, Im done with him now, I just had to vent. Fortunately I will never have to share a pint with him in the real world. He wouldnt last 5 minutes where I come from.

Taking your advice. Headphones on...

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Yes, I get where you're coming from. I shouldn't have got on the moral high ground, to which I apologise. It's easier said than done trying to ignore comments and behaviour like that. Reading back I could see the comments were condescending to the point of trollism, which would probably set me off, if I were in that kind of mood. Either way, you win because you've got a new Prince album which you enjoy. If others dislike it, then that's their loss.

Thanks for not getting pissed off with my sudden urge to be holier than thou. Enjoy the music!

[Edited 10/3/14 6:20am]

Whiskas31 said:

Rebeljuice said:

This is actually the first time I have engaged with him. And it was only out of frustration as I have been trying to catch up on a very long thread, and every other comment seems to be from him saying the same thing over and over. Irritating, nothing more, nothing less. So I did what he wants, and I took the bait. My mistake. Anyway, Im done with him now, I just had to vent. Fortunately I will never have to share a pint with him in the real world. He wouldnt last 5 minutes where I come from.

Taking your advice. Headphones on...

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Yes, I get where you're coming from. I shouldn't have got on the moral high ground, to which I apologise. It's easier said than done trying to ignore comments and behaviour like that. Reading back I could see the comments were condescending to the point of trollism, which would probably set me off, if I were in that kind of mood. Either way, you win because you've got a new Prince album which you enjoy. If others dislike it, then that's their loss.

Thanks for not getting pissed off with my sudden urge to be holier than thou. Enjoy the music!

[Edited 10/3/14 6:20am]

Rebeljuice said:

Whiskas31 said:

I wasn't necessarily singling out your discussion in my comment, there are plenty of other examples. but as you asked... It wouldn't piss me off because no one is in the right or wrong here. You're arguing that his opinion is wrong, he's argung that yours is wrong. If the person continually states that he or she thinks the album is shit without elaborating, why bother to continue the discussion? It seems that you were just adamant in trying to prove him otherwise, when you should have just let it go (in my opinion). Don't mean to offend and I'm not picking sides. Perhaps both of you should just step away from the argument, before you kill eachother.

Edit: Just read back, and it seems the guy is a bit of a wind up. Why not just go and listen to the new album again, and forget about it all?

[Edited 10/3/14 5:02am]

This is actually the first time I have engaged with him. And it was only out of frustration as I have been trying to catch up on a very long thread, and every other comment seems to be from him saying the same thing over and over. Irritating, nothing more, nothing less. So I did what he wants, and I took the bait. My mistake. Anyway, Im done with him now, I just had to vent. Fortunately I will never have to share a pint with him in the real world. He wouldnt last 5 minutes where I come from.

Taking your advice. Headphones on...

oh, you gangsta??

JoeTyler said:

don't worry fams, I'm leaving this thread for good, because the always right NouveauDance opened my eyes: it's pointless to argue with overexcited people who just won't reason

if you like AOA, then go ahead, have some fun, I just...pity you, and your taste

oh, I'm leaving, but I'd like to add this to ALL the people who like ART OFFICIAL CRAP: for you ->

In case you're still around, as it seems you are, d'ya mind if I ask - did your signature not say "Top 3" instead of "Top 5" yesterday or the day before?

AOA is moving up in your estimations slowly but surely......

Dancelot said:

JoeTyler said:

who's the LAST WORD FREAK now, eh? there it is again, you just can't help it.

obviously you :lol;





















Duh!

Yo Dance! How ya doing? Long time! Whats going on here? I go away for a couple of years and come back to find an ED in every forum! Its been a while since we both took on a troll like that.

JoeTyler said:

Rebeljuice said:

This is actually the first time I have engaged with him. And it was only out of frustration as I have been trying to catch up on a very long thread, and every other comment seems to be from him saying the same thing over and over. Irritating, nothing more, nothing less. So I did what he wants, and I took the bait. My mistake. Anyway, Im done with him now, I just had to vent. Fortunately I will never have to share a pint with him in the real world. He wouldnt last 5 minutes where I come from.

Taking your advice. Headphones on...

oh, you gangsta??

-

He's probably right you know. Cocky internet trolls are generally weedy cowards who overcompensate for their lack of physical prowess in the real world, by being condescending bullies online. My money's on Rebeljuice.

Whiskas31 said:

JoeTyler said:

oh, you gangsta??

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He's probably right you know. Cocky internet trolls are generally weedy cowards who overcompensate for their lack of physical prowess in the real world, by being condescending bullies online. My money's on Rebeljuice.

if you guys are going to downgrade yourselves to the point of calling me a physical weakling just because AOA is crap, then I guess the joke's on you, because I don't need to make (baseless/sourceless) jokes about how somebody looks like in real life just because the tone of his internet messages; then again, you would be surprised about how I look in real life; and since HE started it, he may not last 5 seconds against me, unless he uses a gun, a knife in the back or something like that...

[Edited 10/3/14 6:42am]

JoeTyler said:

Whiskas31 said:

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He's probably right you know. Cocky internet trolls are generally weedy cowards who overcompensate for their lack of physical prowess in the real world, by being condescending bullies online. My money's on Rebeljuice.

if you guys are going to downgrade yourselves to the point of calling me a physical weakling just because AOA is crap, then I guess the joke's on you, because I don't need to make (baseless/sourceless) jokes about how somebody looks like in real life just because the tone of his internet messages; then again, you would be surprised about how I look in real life; and since HE started it, he may not last 5 seconds against me, unless he uses a gun, a knife in the back or something like that...

[Edited 10/3/14 6:42am]

And now who's trying to act like a 'gansta'... You're just coming across as a hypocrite now, by acting the tough guy whilst berating Rebeljuice for the exact same thing.

I'm not calling you a physical weakling based on your dislike for the album, i'm making assumptions based on the types of people trolls generally are in real life. The fact that you've tried to use that comment out of context for your feeble argument that people are against you because you dislike the album, just goes to show how desperate you are to try and validate yourself.

Whether I'm right or wrong, I do not know or care. Because I made the comment that Rebeljuice would win in a fight, with tongue firmly in cheek. It's obvious you would never actually fight him. I thought the little smiley face might have indicated this, so I apologise that you couldn't figure that out.

Whiskas31 said:

JoeTyler said:

if you guys are going to downgrade yourselves to the point of calling me a physical weakling just because AOA is crap, then I guess the joke's on you, because I don't need to make (baseless/sourceless) jokes about how somebody looks like in real life just because the tone of his internet messages; then again, you would be surprised about how I look in real life; and since HE started it, he may not last 5 seconds against me, unless he uses a gun, a knife in the back or something like that...

[Edited 10/3/14 6:42am]

And now who's trying to act like a 'gansta'... You're just coming across as a hypocrite now, by acting the tough guy whilst berating Rebeljuice for the exact same thing.

I'm not calling you a physical weakling based on your dislike for the album, i'm making assumptions based on the types of people trolls generally are in real life. The fact that you've tried to use that comment out of context for your feeble argument that people are against you because you dislike the album, just goes to show how desperate you are to try and validate yourself.

Whether I'm right or wrong, I do not know or care. Because I made the comment that Rebeljuice would win in a fight, with tongue firmly in cheek. It's obvious you would never actually fight him. I thought the little smiley face might have indicated this, so I apologise that you couldn't figure that out.

Each time you tap a key on your keyboard in response to him, you are wasting a small kilojoule of energy. Its not much, but waste is waste. Stick the headphones on and smile. keep that small, miniscule amount of energy for something more useful like blinking.

Rebeljuice said:

Whiskas31 said:

And now who's trying to act like a 'gansta'... You're just coming across as a hypocrite now, by acting the tough guy whilst berating Rebeljuice for the exact same thing.

I'm not calling you a physical weakling based on your dislike for the album, i'm making assumptions based on the types of people trolls generally are in real life. The fact that you've tried to use that comment out of context for your feeble argument that people are against you because you dislike the album, just goes to show how desperate you are to try and validate yourself.

Whether I'm right or wrong, I do not know or care. Because I made the comment that Rebeljuice would win in a fight, with tongue firmly in cheek. It's obvious you would never actually fight him. I thought the little smiley face might have indicated this, so I apologise that you couldn't figure that out.

Each time you tap a key on your keyboard in response to him, you are wasting a small kilojoule of energy. Its not much, but waste is waste. Stick the headphones on and smile. keep that small, miniscule amount of energy for something more useful like blinking.

Pointing out someone's hypocrisy is never wasted energy.

Would AOA need some more uptempo songs?

(aside from the tracklisting on the cheap-ass digipack clone without evene a booklet or something that tries to go for that)

I mean: it's a bunch of Prince songs, but they're quite slowish, mostly.

Or what is the opinion right now?

KingSausage said:

So, do you guys like AOA?

Hells naw. I rank it in the TOP35 WORST Prince albums of all time.

dadeepop said:

dadeepop said:

KingSausage said:

So, do you guys like AOA?

Hells naw. I rank it in the TOP35 WORST Prince albums of all time.

KingSausage said:

dadeepop said:

Hells naw. I rank it in the TOP35 WORST Prince albums of all time.

Face it. Accept it. Deal with it. Suck it!

Thank you for finishing my thought. Now excuse me while I crank up Sticky Like Glue.

KingSausage said:

In all seriousness, one thing I appreciate about Joey's posts is he acknowledges songs on AOA that he thinks are good and he compares AOA to 2004-2010 output that he feels was better. That's more to discuss than someone who says Prince hasn't done anything good since 1988. Wait, that was two things I like about Joey's posts. Okay.

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To quote Chuckie from Sons of Anarchy: "I accept that."

OK. I've listened to AOA a few times now and grown to like it more than what I thought. I'm not a fan of new modern RnB at all, of which this album is predominantly. With a lot of the tracks I rolled my eyes skywards, sighing, but by the end I came round to it a lot more than what I thought I would and WANTED to hear it again. Why? Because, it all seemed to fit together (like many have said it's a concept album which is to be applauded IMO) and Prince has shaped his style of RnB here to this 'concept' which makes you want to revisit the songs. This, for me, is a relief after "20Ten" which was thrown into the back of a cupboard after one listen (I've tried again but very poor album IMO). The songs fit the imagery of the album cover and back perfectly - all futuristically, spacey cobalt and skyblues, white gleaming ceramics. The back cover showing Prince looking out, contemplating, searching, reflecting which is shown in the music. I'm not gonna disect the album track by track, but...

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"Art Offical Age" is unlike Prince with the house beats, but he makes it Princely. It's good fun, but man it starts off like "It's Raining Men"?!

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"Clouds" - meh...don't like

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"Breakdown" - Yeah, I like

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"The Gold Standard" - Who can resist a Prince fooling round a groove informed by chicken-scratching?! Love it - although it sounds too polished

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"U know" - it's a grower

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"Breakfast can wait" - never liked this tune although it fits on this album

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"This could be us" - yeah, nice

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"What it feels like" - OK (is that the "Wasted Kisses" guitar motif I hear?)

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"Way back home" - Yeah, like this one a lot, sounds very sincere

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"Funknroll" - LOVE THIS!! It's not got much love here, but the sound is SO tight!! Love the shortened guitar stabs making it feel so taut, it's gonna burst. Then he takes it into territory that you would hear at a Prodigy gig (I'm happy with that!) and then solo's it out nicely. Excellent. It's like he's taken the orginal Funknroll and put it through the AOA space-age-blender. They hated it on "The Prince Podcast", but they seem to be american RnB heads, whereas I'm an engish dance fan. Shame. And I do like the fact that he's put this version here - sort of links the albums.

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"Time" - Yeah, this is good. I love the swelling synths but wish it could lose the big squelchy bass. I think the song would benefit with more 'air and space'.

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"Affirmation III" - Yeah, I like the way this is a reprise of "Way back home" and I love the message at the end, very nice and why not?!

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So, after the first listen I gave it a 6, but now probably 8-/10. It's great that he made a concept album that works, when most suspected (me included) that it wouldn't. And for me to enjoy a predominantly modern RnB sounding album - I'm surprised at myself.

I'm very happy that I kept away from the album leaks and listened to it fresh (after buying it from the same 'wrecka stow' I bought "Sign of the Times" on the day of release.) Now for "Plectrumelectrum"...

udo said:

Would AOA need some more uptempo songs?

(aside from the tracklisting on the cheap-ass digipack clone without evene a booklet or something that tries to go for that)

I mean: it's a bunch of Prince songs, but they're quite slowish, mostly.

Or what is the opinion right now?

After seeing the Yahoo special I do wish there were a few more uptempo songs on AOA.

I have listened to this a few times now and I really like it quite a bit. I think it is quite difficult at this stage in Prince's career to really have an album that is going to be received anywhere close to how he used to be treated, regardless of how good the quality of material. I also believe that as with anything creative that covers many years, many people are going to in lesser or greater degrees find their preferences and stick to them. At this stage of my love of Prince, having heard and bought everything that exists and consuming a very large quantity of material recorded over several decades, it is a process to get back to a place to hear what inexperienced or casual listeners might like. Or what a certain kind of nostalgic Prince fan might enjoy.

With a musician as versatile and prolific as Prince it should be understood that an individual is capable of engaging entirely different tastes. He mixes genres, between albums, between songs and often mashing things up on one track. Looking at the resurgence of R&B in the last few years and in particular the ability of artists like The Weeknd, Drake and Frank Ocean to make music that does not adhere to many of the unhelpful cultural expectations around the genre. Prince - along with Michael Jackson - are still hugely important figures, not just for their music they made but for the fearless breadth of their music. I suspect many folks arrive at a point where they feel one side of Prince is more in line with their tastes. I know I have. It is a mistake though to believe that these tastes determine what is or is not “authentic”. In some cases it is true that , as with certain examples of Prince failing to understand Rap. Often though I feel this is of the same kind of insularity that Prince has suffered from through his career.

For instance, I love the 90s R&B production on Emancipation and reject entirely those kind of gripes that surround music he makes that fits into a more relevant style. (To say for instance that the live band version of “Somebody’s Somebody” is more authentic because it has a live drummer or was recorded in one take is definitely arbitrary. Considering the sheer volume of classic Prince tracks created on the back of studio techniques, it is also strangely hypocritical.) I have seen a lot of chatter here and elsewhere which dismisses this track or that track on the basis that it is “just” modern R&B or modern Rap and that Prince is above that. Here as with the bias against that 90s R&B sound there is an implicit understanding that of course modern R&B and Rap has no worth!

Here’s the thing though: the best music being made today is being made in R&B and in Rap, with both genres very often overlapping. Somebody mentioned Kanye West a few pages back as being one of the most important producers of the last decade and I absolutely agree. If R. Kelly brought Rap to R&B, Kanye brought R&B to Rap. The unsightly cultural and genre limitations imposed were greatly reduced by Kanye West. I don’t think you’d see people like ASAP Rocky doing love tracks like Fashion Killa without Kanye. I don’t think Kendrick Lamar would be dropping a beautiful chorus on a song called Bitch Don’t Kill My Vibe.

It is a comforting thought for one out of step with popular music to believe that they are the last island of “real music,” removing the need to confront the possibility that perhaps being so out of step is a sign of artistic failure. It is similarly comforting for a listener to believe that their taste is the last bastion of critical flavour. It doesn’t make it any less problematic, or depressing, or solipsistic. There is great music being made now and I have wanted Prince for a long time to embrace that and step his game up in response. He was best when he was competitive.

One of the reasons why I really like Art Official Age is because of how he has started to engage music that is happening now. Lianna La Haves is on the record: a new, vital musician who is not just a bloody protégé. She is her own thinking person, making great music that people actually care about in 2014. This is a great sign. It also helps that Clouds is a killer track. It was likewise brilliant to see Prince pop up on Janelle Monae’s last album to help the track. Not to dominate it, not to insist on control but to help the album. Seeing Kendrick Lamar do something with Prince gives me some hope too that he is actually engaging with the world and not shutting it out to live happily in his purple bubble. Hell even though I wasn’t crazy about the song, his duet with Zooey Deschanel can go in that category too.

There are some very good songs here. The Gold Standard as has been said many times has a real spirit. I love the goofy/vulgar outro. U Know particularly for the judicious use of a sample will continue to resonate. My favourite on the album is Time and the way it goes into Affirmation III with that LoveSexy/I Wish U Heaven ambient flavour. I am suspicious of any and all reviews that use the phrases "back to basics," "return to form" or "best since some album in the 80s," not because the quality on Art Official Age isn't up there but because it is such hackneyed cop-out for mediocre writers. It is however definitely a work that shows positive engagement with music as it exists in 2014. I hope Prince continues to live with us in the world and not retreat to the one he has made for himself.

[Edited 10/3/14 12:04pm]

[Edited 10/3/14 12:07pm]

I apologize if, because of my hate towards AOA, I ended up (kind of) directly or indirectly attacking some orgers (although always in a humorous way, I think); so here's my I'M SORRY...

that said, I just wanted to add, before I impose myself a long exile (maybe permanent) from this forum (not from this site), that it's kind of despicable to be away from this forum/web for a long time (and I'm not talking about myself), to just suddenly come back and call TROLL/NON-FAN people who has been posting A LOT MORE here, and who has a higher reputation (maybe even among the mods); I know I lost it in this thread, but there are more villians in this story...just sayin'

goodbye, and thanks (you know who you are )

dadeepop said:

KingSausage said:

So, do you guys like AOA?

Hells naw. I rank it in the TOP35 WORST Prince albums of all time.

It's always a contensious issue but I count 46 official Prince albums including compliations, live albums, soundtracks and newpowersoul but not the other associated artist albums.