Cocaine,crack,dust & all of the above must have been in this system for a looooong time. I bet you Chuck D was bugging Tony M was friends w/ Rap Royalty

from:

http://www.unkut.com/2014/09/bobby-simmons-stetsasonic-the-unkut-interview-part-two/

Trickology said:

Cocaine,crack,dust & all of the above must have been in this system for a looooong time. I bet you Chuck D was bugging

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FYI Chuck D was dissing Prince in the 1980s, said something like "all Prince did was presenting us his ass on a velvet cushion".

BartVanHemelen said:

Trickology said:

Cocaine,crack,dust & all of the above must have been in this system for a looooong time. I bet you Chuck D was bugging

.

FYI Chuck D was dissing Prince in the 1980s, said something like "all Prince did was presenting us his ass on a velvet cushion".

It's easy to take shots when you are successful. Note that PE's career dried up by the mid 90's (post-He Got Game) and Chuck was more than happy to feature on "Undisputed" on ARISTA when no major label would touch him.

Couple thoughts...that was the period when PE was caught up talking about homosexuality in a lot of interviews. It's interesting he mentions Prince had his long hair look at the time.

The other thing is, why is it taking that long to sound check at Radio City? That's not James Brown, that's crazy. It's not like you're set up in some stadium in a weird country that can barely provide you electricity, you're in Radio City. You're supposed to rehearse your band before you start the tour, and book Radio City.

treehouse said:

Couple thoughts...that was the period when PE was caught up talking about homosexuality in a lot of interviews. It's interesting he mentions Prince had his long hair look at the time.

The other thing is, why is it taking that long to sound check at Radio City? That's not James Brown, that's crazy. It's not like you're set up in some stadium in a weird country that can barely provide you electricity, you're in Radio City. You're supposed to rehearse your band before you start the tour, and book Radio City.

not true,, work production on the rock and roll jhall concert in cleveland and witness james abrown and band rehearse one portion of one song for several hours at 3 AM..

lwr001 said:

not true,, work production on the rock and roll jhall concert in cleveland and witness james abrown and band rehearse one portion of one song for several hours at 3 AM..

Okay, point taken, but wouldn't a Rock and Roll Hall concert have been a special one off show, that was taped for broadcast? I only know of a James Brown show in NY, for the R&R Hall, so I don't know of any details of a Celeveland show. The Prince show in question was in the middle of a 13 city tour.

Remember that there was a sequence of tit for tat going on starting with somebody saying (in Ebony?) that Prince had lost his funk. The result was 'The Black Album' on which he disses 'silly shit rappers'. So come this period, rappers are down on Prince and PE are down on black artists playing white (or, rather, not supporting the cause of hip hop which is seen as a black cultural advance).
A year after this and the movie 'Malcolm X' comes out which is a significant moment which restates what's at stake. I think from here, Prince and Chuck D are talking but it's also a period where Prince starts to find himself troubled by the question of relevance on quite a few fronts and his incorporation of hip hop elements has since been widely seen as, at least, 'undigested'.

PE might have done Prince a favour in reuniting him with black identity, politically speaking, but it didn't do him any favours artistically because fantasy is Prince's element, not 'the street' (and I'm dissing neither of those polarities...you can have sci-fi and photo-journalism on your bookshelf without conflict or contradiction and Prince had very successfully been able to do 'fantastic polemic' on teacks like Sign of the Times so it was already in his game and PE's preaching was their own embarassment)
When Prince DID move back toward the fantastic, it had acquired a 'bling' element which he's still trying to shake off. The hip hop trope of 'down with our fans' wrong-footed him as well as it confused his mystique which until then had been tightly mythologised.
I say wrong-footed because hip-hop, as hip-pop, with everybody from Timberlake to Timberland and Rihanna went on to incorporate Prince as a sonic and fashion template for what is currently 'standard' chart fare.

[Edited 9/14/14 15:16pm]

[Edited 9/14/14 15:19pm]

Cocaine makes you say and do lots of stupid/cocky/arrogant things.. in fact with really high people 98% of everything that comes out of their mouth should be taken with a grain of salt or just ignored all-together. And Flav was deep in the powder all throughout his career before moving on to crack. Knowing many addicts in my short life, I'd venture to guess he probably got really high before going out of stage.. so the fact that he'd say something like this isn't at all surprising, regardless of what his true feeling of Prince might have been at the time.

lezama said:

Trickology said:

If you have Tony M in your band, and allow him to rap about Manure, it's gonna take much more than a five hour soundcheck to get to perfection...you won't get to it.

Trickology said:

Cocaine,crack,dust & all of the above must have been in this system for a looooong time. I bet you Chuck D was bugging Tony M was friends w/ Rap Royalty

from:

http://www.unkut.com/2014/09/bobby-simmons-stetsasonic-the-unkut-interview-part-two/

Bobby Simmons:

I also got to jam with Prince, I was like a kid in a candy store! My friend Tony Mosley – Tony M – was in the New Power Generation, and Tony invited me to Radio City Music Hall, so I went down at 1 in the afternoon. Prince and them were sound-checking, so I’m thinking, “Sound-check will be over by 2 o’clock.” He was sound-checking from 1 o’clock to 6 o’clock! That’s how much this dude Prince is such a perfectionist! That’s like some James Brown thing. You don’t leave your instrument until he says, “We’re done.” We met Prince prior to that in Minneapolis, he came to see our show when we played the First Avenue club when we did the Public Enemy Bring The Noise tour. When he came to the show it was snowing and the club was packed! He was standing against the wall and he had on this long, black trenchcoat and black gloves and shit, when his hair was real long, like that Graffiti Bridge looking hair-do, and Flavor Flav spotted him in the back while Public Enemy was performing. Flav said, “Yeah we understand we in Minneapolis, we in Prince town, but PE is up in the motherfucker! Let me tell y’all something – fuck Prince! Let me hear you say ‘Fuck Prince!’” The funny thing is everyone in the audience knew he was there and they just did it. He got the audience to say it. “Fuck Prince!” [laughs] I’m not sure if he was on cocaine or he was drunk, but I was like, “Yo Flav, you buggin! What is wrong with you dude?” [laughs]

fast forward to the yahoo awards circa 2000 and flav is a fangirl

That's nothing. You should have heard what they had to say about Elvis!

XSX said:

Remember that there was a sequence of tit for tat going on starting with somebody saying (in Ebony?) that Prince had lost his funk. The result was 'The Black Album' on which he disses 'silly shit rappers'. So come this period, rappers are down on Prince and PE are down on black artists playing white (or, rather, not supporting the cause of hip hop which is seen as a black cultural advance).
A year after this and the movie 'Malcolm X' comes out which is a significant moment which restates what's at stake. I think from here, Prince and Chuck D are talking but it's also a period where Prince starts to find himself troubled by the question of relevance on quite a few fronts and his incorporation of hip hop elements has since been widely seen as, at least, 'undigested'.

PE might have done Prince a favour in reuniting him with black identity, politically speaking, but it didn't do him any favours artistically because fantasy is Prince's element, not 'the street' (and I'm dissing neither of those polarities...you can have sci-fi and photo-journalism on your bookshelf without conflict or contradiction and Prince had very successfully been able to do 'fantastic polemic' on teacks like Sign of the Times so it was already in his game and PE's preaching was their own embarassment)
When Prince DID move back toward the fantastic, it had acquired a 'bling' element which he's still trying to shake off. The hip hop trope of 'down with our fans' wrong-footed him as well as it confused his mystique which until then had been tightly mythologised.
I say wrong-footed because hip-hop, as hip-pop, with everybody from Timberlake to Timberland and Rihanna went on to incorporate Prince as a sonic and fashion template for what is currently 'standard' chart fare.

[Edited 9/14/14 15:16pm]

[Edited 9/14/14 15:19pm]

This is a fantastic post.

Militant said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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FYI Chuck D was dissing Prince in the 1980s, said something like "all Prince did was presenting us his ass on a velvet cushion".

It's easy to take shots when you are successful. Note that PE's career dried up by the mid 90's (post-He Got Game) and Chuck was more than happy to feature on "Undisputed" on ARISTA when no major label would touch him.

As PE themselves would say: Don't Believe The Hype! That entire stunt Flav used to pull was all a work.

PE were always Prince-fans, hence why they sampled Prince's Lets Go Crazy for Brothers Gonna Work It Out on PE's Fear Of A Black Planet album.

treehouse said:

lwr001 said:

not true,, work production on the rock and roll jhall concert in cleveland and witness james abrown and band rehearse one portion of one song for several hours at 3 AM..

Okay, point taken, but wouldn't a Rock and Roll Hall concert have been a special one off show, that was taped for broadcast? I only know of a James Brown show in NY, for the R&R Hall, so I don't know of any details of a Celeveland show. The Prince show in question was in the middle of a 13 city tour.

COncert for rock and roll hall of fame..Prince was supopose to be there..JAn wenner sent his plane for him and dylan only dylan was on it when it returnd..lol..prince permormed RNR is alive and live in MPLS that night i beleive