1725topp said:

Stymie said:

I have no problem with your posts on this thread other than you should call everyone out. Both sides do the attacking: the naysayers and the posivite ones.

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HatrinaHaterwitz said: To be fair [Bart] wasn't saying that about "people who like Prince's recent music".

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Yes, but that's just one example of Bart attacking people personally who have differing views, especially people who like Prince's recent music. Are you saying that Bart, or Trevyer, and others have never attacked people for liking something that they don't like? The bottom line is that Bart and Trevyer--who are intelligent and can act so when they desire to do so--have a history of attacking people's "tastes," "intelligence," and "sanity" when those people like work that they don't like. And, yes, of course, the "fams" have started to respond to them with insults, which is just as bad and childish, but there is an atmosphere of negativity here that is caused mostly by those who have not been moved by Prince over the past ten, fifteen, or twenty years and they have consistently attacked those who have continued to be moved by Prince's work. And, sure the "fams" respond, but how many times can people be attacked just for liking music before they do respond. That's like the playground bully saying, "I can't believe the entire class finally decided to whip my ass." Really? You take enough lunch money, and finally someone will defend themselves. I'm not saying anyone is right for attacking anyone, but the seeds that have been planted on this site can only blossom negativity because, for the most part, that's mostly what has been allowed under the guise I have a right to my opinion, even when it includes calling people names.

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And just to add a final point that I just don't understand, why are they so mad that someone created art that they didn't like? Prince is just a human being, and common sense (knowledge gain from daily interactions or living) informs us that it is likely that a person will only create a limited amount of art that others will like. The day I first heard Around the World in a Day, even though I liked it, I realized that it would be a great possibility that one day Prince would create something that I wouldn't like. By understanding this, I know that it's not the end of the world or a reason to be angry if Prince creates something I don't like. That's life. Wouldn't the most effective thing to do would be to find someone who creates art that one likes rather than continuing to bemoan the fact that Prince no longer does? (I'm really asking a question.) If one does not like what Prince does any more, why not find someone who creates what one likes? Now, I'm sure that some will say that I am somehow being mean or insulting or attacking so, also, tell me how I'm being mean or insulting or attacking by simply asking why does someone continue to be bothered with an artist who seemingly, based on his recent output, does not desire to be bothered with your tastes? I guess it's the same as complaining about McDonald's giving one cold French fries. If we complain enough, then we'll get hot French fries. But after ten years, maybe it's time to get French fries from somewhere else. So, please tell me why these people are so angry that on three to five threads a day they must tell us how much they dislike Prince's music and us for liking it when it would seem that the most stress-relieving thing to do would be to ignore Prince and his "dimwitted" and "deaf" fams.

If there is a insult against a memeber of this community, it should be reported so it can be snipped or that person can be banned or whatever the case may be. I don't consider what anyone does here to be bullying. Defending oneself by loweirng oneself to that person's level is not a good idea. It will just keep going and going. The best thing to do is to ignore that person or persons. This place would be so much better if people didn't care so much about what others think about their opinions. For instance, Graffiti Bridge is my favorite Prince album. Do I give two pumps and a stroke about what anyone else here thinks about that? No. I don't even care what my real life best friend thinks about that.

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There are comments made about how some negative people have no lives or that people can't understand why those people come here. I do not and will not ever understand why people care. Why is there such an emotional investment over someone none of us know personally?

1725topp said:

Stymie said:

I have no problem with your posts on this thread other than you should call everyone out. Both sides do the attacking: the naysayers and the posivite ones.

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HatrinaHaterwitz said: To be fair [Bart] wasn't saying that about "people who like Prince's recent music".

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Yes, but that's just one example of Bart attacking people personally who have differing views, especially people who like Prince's recent music. Are you saying that Bart, or Trevyer, and others have never attacked people for liking something that they don't like? The bottom line is that Bart and Trevyer--who are intelligent and can act so when they desire to do so--have a history of attacking people's "tastes," "intelligence," and "sanity" when those people like work that they don't like. And, yes, of course, the "fams" have started to respond to them with insults, which is just as bad and childish, but there is an atmosphere of negativity here that is caused mostly by those who have not been moved by Prince over the past ten, fifteen, or twenty years and they have consistently attacked those who have continued to be moved by Prince's work. And, sure the "fams" respond, but how many times can people be attacked just for liking music before they do respond. That's like the playground bully saying, "I can't believe the entire class finally decided to whip my ass." Really? You take enough lunch money, and finally someone will defend themselves. I'm not saying anyone is right for attacking anyone, but the seeds that have been planted on this site can only blossom negativity because, for the most part, that's mostly what has been allowed under the guise I have a right to my opinion, even when it includes calling people names.

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And just to add a final point that I just don't understand, why are they so mad that someone created art that they didn't like? Prince is just a human being, and common sense (knowledge gain from daily interactions or living) informs us that it is likely that a person will only create a limited amount of art that others will like. The day I first heard Around the World in a Day, even though I liked it, I realized that it would be a great possibility that one day Prince would create something that I wouldn't like. By understanding this, I know that it's not the end of the world or a reason to be angry if Prince creates something I don't like. That's life. Wouldn't the most effective thing to do would be to find someone who creates art that one likes rather than continuing to bemoan the fact that Prince no longer does? (I'm really asking a question.) If one does not like what Prince does any more, why not find someone who creates what one likes? Now, I'm sure that some will say that I am somehow being mean or insulting or attacking so, also, tell me how I'm being mean or insulting or attacking by simply asking why does someone continue to be bothered with an artist who seemingly, based on his recent output, does not desire to be bothered with your tastes? I guess it's the same as complaining about McDonald's giving one cold French fries. If we complain enough, then we'll get hot French fries. But after ten years, maybe it's time to get French fries from somewhere else. So, please tell me why these people are so angry that on three to five threads a day they must tell us how much they dislike Prince's music and us for liking it when it would seem that the most stress-relieving thing to do would be to ignore Prince and his "dimwitted" and "deaf" fams.

are u refering to me with your Trevyer .. if so you are way off .. as I said in my other post .. I don't attack anyone .. and neither do any of the other "negative haters" .. we get attacked by the so called "positive" people and then in turn retaliate and unleash a hellish fury of intelligent critique as well as whatever namecalling right back at those who name called us. get it?

u start it we finish it .. just like that .. but make no mistake .. its the "positive" people who do the attacking first .. we just dish it right back when it happens .. so maybe all these "positive" people should re think their efforts to get us to leave the org .

and also .. none of us haterz are "mad" .. usually just having fun and being honest about the music .. the only thing that gets us mad is being attacked cuz then we have to waste our time defending ourselves and proving what hypocrites all the "positive" attackers are

TrevorAyer said:

1725topp said:

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Yes, but that's just one example of Bart attacking people personally who have differing views, especially people who like Prince's recent music. Are you saying that Bart, or Trevyer, and others have never attacked people for liking something that they don't like? The bottom line is that Bart and Trevyer--who are intelligent and can act so when they desire to do so--have a history of attacking people's "tastes," "intelligence," and "sanity" when those people like work that they don't like. And, yes, of course, the "fams" have started to respond to them with insults, which is just as bad and childish, but there is an atmosphere of negativity here that is caused mostly by those who have not been moved by Prince over the past ten, fifteen, or twenty years and they have consistently attacked those who have continued to be moved by Prince's work. And, sure the "fams" respond, but how many times can people be attacked just for liking music before they do respond. That's like the playground bully saying, "I can't believe the entire class finally decided to whip my ass." Really? You take enough lunch money, and finally someone will defend themselves. I'm not saying anyone is right for attacking anyone, but the seeds that have been planted on this site can only blossom negativity because, for the most part, that's mostly what has been allowed under the guise I have a right to my opinion, even when it includes calling people names.

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And just to add a final point that I just don't understand, why are they so mad that someone created art that they didn't like? Prince is just a human being, and common sense (knowledge gain from daily interactions or living) informs us that it is likely that a person will only create a limited amount of art that others will like. The day I first heard Around the World in a Day, even though I liked it, I realized that it would be a great possibility that one day Prince would create something that I wouldn't like. By understanding this, I know that it's not the end of the world or a reason to be angry if Prince creates something I don't like. That's life. Wouldn't the most effective thing to do would be to find someone who creates art that one likes rather than continuing to bemoan the fact that Prince no longer does? (I'm really asking a question.) If one does not like what Prince does any more, why not find someone who creates what one likes? Now, I'm sure that some will say that I am somehow being mean or insulting or attacking so, also, tell me how I'm being mean or insulting or attacking by simply asking why does someone continue to be bothered with an artist who seemingly, based on his recent output, does not desire to be bothered with your tastes? I guess it's the same as complaining about McDonald's giving one cold French fries. If we complain enough, then we'll get hot French fries. But after ten years, maybe it's time to get French fries from somewhere else. So, please tell me why these people are so angry that on three to five threads a day they must tell us how much they dislike Prince's music and us for liking it when it would seem that the most stress-relieving thing to do would be to ignore Prince and his "dimwitted" and "deaf" fams.

are u refering to me with your Trevyer .. if so you are way off .. as I said in my other post .. I don't attack anyone .. and neither do any of the other "negative haters" .. we get attacked by the so called "positive" people and then in turn retaliate and unleash a hellish fury of intelligent critique as well as whatever namecalling right back at those who name called us. get it?

u start it we finish it .. just like that .. but make no mistake .. its the "positive" people who do the attacking first .. we just dish it right back when it happens .. so maybe all these "positive" people should re think their efforts to get us to leave the org .

and also .. none of us haterz are "mad" .. usually just having fun and being honest about the music .. the only thing that gets us mad is being attacked cuz then we have to waste our time defending ourselves and proving what hypocrites all the "positive" attackers are

All the postive people are the hypocrites , you start , we will finish it , How childish is that statement. And all the haterz are all hard done by, it seems you lot are very sensitive, more than anybody. JESSSSSSSSSSSSSS Your not afraid to say it how it is and i wont't be to ,. i will stand my ground , like you haterz do. And i get this org now , all the hatez are correct and all the positive people are wrong , right o

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1725topp said:

Stymie said:

I have no problem with your posts on this thread other than you should call everyone out. Both sides do the attacking: the naysayers and the posivite ones.

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HatrinaHaterwitz said: To be fair [Bart] wasn't saying that about "people who like Prince's recent music".

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Yes, but that's just one example of Bart attacking people personally who have differing views, especially people who like Prince's recent music. Are you saying that Bart, or Trevyer, and others have never attacked people for liking something that they don't like? The bottom line is that Bart and Trevyer--who are intelligent and can act so when they desire to do so--have a history of attacking people's "tastes," "intelligence," and "sanity" when those people like work that they don't like. And, yes, of course, the "fams" have started to respond to them with insults, which is just as bad and childish, but there is an atmosphere of negativity here that is caused mostly by those who have not been moved by Prince over the past ten, fifteen, or twenty years and they have consistently attacked those who have continued to be moved by Prince's work. And, sure the "fams" respond, but how many times can people be attacked just for liking music before they do respond. That's like the playground bully saying, "I can't believe the entire class finally decided to whip my ass." Really? You take enough lunch money, and finally someone will defend themselves. I'm not saying anyone is right for attacking anyone, but the seeds that have been planted on this site can only blossom negativity because, for the most part, that's mostly what has been allowed under the guise I have a right to my opinion, even when it includes calling people names.

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And just to add a final point that I just don't understand, why are they so mad that someone created art that they didn't like? Prince is just a human being, and common sense (knowledge gain from daily interactions or living) informs us that it is likely that a person will only create a limited amount of art that others will like. The day I first heard Around the World in a Day, even though I liked it, I realized that it would be a great possibility that one day Prince would create something that I wouldn't like. By understanding this, I know that it's not the end of the world or a reason to be angry if Prince creates something I don't like. That's life. Wouldn't the most effective thing to do would be to find someone who creates art that one likes rather than continuing to bemoan the fact that Prince no longer does? (I'm really asking a question.) If one does not like what Prince does any more, why not find someone who creates what one likes? Now, I'm sure that some will say that I am somehow being mean or insulting or attacking so, also, tell me how I'm being mean or insulting or attacking by simply asking why does someone continue to be bothered with an artist who seemingly, based on his recent output, does not desire to be bothered with your tastes? I guess it's the same as complaining about McDonald's giving one cold French fries. If we complain enough, then we'll get hot French fries. But after ten years, maybe it's time to get French fries from somewhere else. So, please tell me why these people are so angry that on three to five threads a day they must tell us how much they dislike Prince's music and us for liking it when it would seem that the most stress-relieving thing to do would be to ignore Prince and his "dimwitted" and "deaf" fams.

Uhh...no. If I were saying that, I'd have said just that but I didn't. I merely took the example you posted and showed how it wasn't the way you seemed to have taken it. Which is a perfect example of what tends to happen here a whole lot. Y'all take stuff and read way more into it than there is and then fly all off into the stratosphere with your responses, based on whatever it is that ran through your imaginations.

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Stymie said:

1725topp said:

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Yes, but that's just one example of Bart attacking people personally who have differing views, especially people who like Prince's recent music. Are you saying that Bart, or Trevyer, and others have never attacked people for liking something that they don't like? The bottom line is that Bart and Trevyer--who are intelligent and can act so when they desire to do so--have a history of attacking people's "tastes," "intelligence," and "sanity" when those people like work that they don't like. And, yes, of course, the "fams" have started to respond to them with insults, which is just as bad and childish, but there is an atmosphere of negativity here that is caused mostly by those who have not been moved by Prince over the past ten, fifteen, or twenty years and they have consistently attacked those who have continued to be moved by Prince's work. And, sure the "fams" respond, but how many times can people be attacked just for liking music before they do respond. That's like the playground bully saying, "I can't believe the entire class finally decided to whip my ass." Really? You take enough lunch money, and finally someone will defend themselves. I'm not saying anyone is right for attacking anyone, but the seeds that have been planted on this site can only blossom negativity because, for the most part, that's mostly what has been allowed under the guise I have a right to my opinion, even when it includes calling people names.

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And just to add a final point that I just don't understand, why are they so mad that someone created art that they didn't like? Prince is just a human being, and common sense (knowledge gain from daily interactions or living) informs us that it is likely that a person will only create a limited amount of art that others will like. The day I first heard Around the World in a Day, even though I liked it, I realized that it would be a great possibility that one day Prince would create something that I wouldn't like. By understanding this, I know that it's not the end of the world or a reason to be angry if Prince creates something I don't like. That's life. Wouldn't the most effective thing to do would be to find someone who creates art that one likes rather than continuing to bemoan the fact that Prince no longer does? (I'm really asking a question.) If one does not like what Prince does any more, why not find someone who creates what one likes? Now, I'm sure that some will say that I am somehow being mean or insulting or attacking so, also, tell me how I'm being mean or insulting or attacking by simply asking why does someone continue to be bothered with an artist who seemingly, based on his recent output, does not desire to be bothered with your tastes? I guess it's the same as complaining about McDonald's giving one cold French fries. If we complain enough, then we'll get hot French fries. But after ten years, maybe it's time to get French fries from somewhere else. So, please tell me why these people are so angry that on three to five threads a day they must tell us how much they dislike Prince's music and us for liking it when it would seem that the most stress-relieving thing to do would be to ignore Prince and his "dimwitted" and "deaf" fams.

If there is a insult against a memeber of this community, it should be reported so it can be snipped or that person can be banned or whatever the case may be. I don't consider what anyone does here to be bullying. Defending oneself by loweirng oneself to that person's level is not a good idea. It will just keep going and going. The best thing to do is to ignore that person or persons. This place would be so much better if people didn't care so much about what others think about their opinions. For instance, Graffiti Bridge is my favorite Prince album. Do I give two pumps and a stroke about what anyone else here thinks about that? No. I don't even care what my real life best friend thinks about that.

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There are comments made about how some negative people have no lives or that people can't understand why those people come here. I do not and will not ever understand why people care. Why is there such an emotional investment over someone none of us know personally?

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It's a question about common decency. I have never called anybody a name on this site, yet I've seen it done by both sides but mostly by people who state that Prince hasn't moved them in a number of years. (Now, until the mods are willing to waste their time with an empirical study, we'll just have to agree to disagree which side does it more.) Also, it's not an issue of bullying as I never used that term, and it's certainaly not a question of having "an emotional investment over someone none of us know personally." Though I could say the same about people who have spent the past five, ten, fifteen, or twenty years ranting about how terrible Prince's work is and how lame the people who like them are. Why won't anyone tell me why it doesn't make more sense for them to simply find someone else that moves them? Is it because they are overly emotionally invested? It seems to me like they are the ones with the excessive emotional investment since they can't stop bemoaning how much they are bothered by Prince's recent output and those that like it. And just like you don't understand my position, I don't understand yours. So, we'll just agree to disagree and move on.

1725topp said:

Stymie said:

If there is a insult against a memeber of this community, it should be reported so it can be snipped or that person can be banned or whatever the case may be. I don't consider what anyone does here to be bullying. Defending oneself by loweirng oneself to that person's level is not a good idea. It will just keep going and going. The best thing to do is to ignore that person or persons. This place would be so much better if people didn't care so much about what others think about their opinions. For instance, Graffiti Bridge is my favorite Prince album. Do I give two pumps and a stroke about what anyone else here thinks about that? No. I don't even care what my real life best friend thinks about that.

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There are comments made about how some negative people have no lives or that people can't understand why those people come here. I do not and will not ever understand why people care. Why is there such an emotional investment over someone none of us know personally?

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It's a question about common decency. I have never called anybody a name on this site, yet I've seen it done by both sides but mostly by people who state that Prince hasn't moved them in a number of years. (Now, until the mods are willing to waste their time with an empirical study, we'll just have to agree to disagree which side does it more.) Also, it's not an issue of bullying as I never used that term, and it's certainaly not a question of having "an emotional investment over someone none of us know personally." Though I could say the same about people who have spent the past five, ten, fifteen, or twenty years ranting about how terrible Prince's work is and how lame the people who like them are. Why won't anyone tell me why it doesn't make more sense for them to simply find someone else that moves them? Is it because they are overly emotionally invested? It seems to me like they are the ones with the excessive emotional investment since they can't stop bemoaning how much they are bothered by Prince's recent output and those that like it. And just like you don't understand my position, I don't understand yours. So, we'll just agree to disagree and move on.

But I do understand your position, I just don't agree with it.

TrevorAyer said:

1725topp said:

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Yes, but that's just one example of Bart attacking people personally who have differing views, especially people who like Prince's recent music. Are you saying that Bart, or Trevyer, and others have never attacked people for liking something that they don't like? The bottom line is that Bart and Trevyer--who are intelligent and can act so when they desire to do so--have a history of attacking people's "tastes," "intelligence," and "sanity" when those people like work that they don't like. And, yes, of course, the "fams" have started to respond to them with insults, which is just as bad and childish, but there is an atmosphere of negativity here that is caused mostly by those who have not been moved by Prince over the past ten, fifteen, or twenty years and they have consistently attacked those who have continued to be moved by Prince's work. And, sure the "fams" respond, but how many times can people be attacked just for liking music before they do respond. That's like the playground bully saying, "I can't believe the entire class finally decided to whip my ass." Really? You take enough lunch money, and finally someone will defend themselves. I'm not saying anyone is right for attacking anyone, but the seeds that have been planted on this site can only blossom negativity because, for the most part, that's mostly what has been allowed under the guise I have a right to my opinion, even when it includes calling people names.

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And just to add a final point that I just don't understand, why are they so mad that someone created art that they didn't like? Prince is just a human being, and common sense (knowledge gain from daily interactions or living) informs us that it is likely that a person will only create a limited amount of art that others will like. The day I first heard Around the World in a Day, even though I liked it, I realized that it would be a great possibility that one day Prince would create something that I wouldn't like. By understanding this, I know that it's not the end of the world or a reason to be angry if Prince creates something I don't like. That's life. Wouldn't the most effective thing to do would be to find someone who creates art that one likes rather than continuing to bemoan the fact that Prince no longer does? (I'm really asking a question.) If one does not like what Prince does any more, why not find someone who creates what one likes? Now, I'm sure that some will say that I am somehow being mean or insulting or attacking so, also, tell me how I'm being mean or insulting or attacking by simply asking why does someone continue to be bothered with an artist who seemingly, based on his recent output, does not desire to be bothered with your tastes? I guess it's the same as complaining about McDonald's giving one cold French fries. If we complain enough, then we'll get hot French fries. But after ten years, maybe it's time to get French fries from somewhere else. So, please tell me why these people are so angry that on three to five threads a day they must tell us how much they dislike Prince's music and us for liking it when it would seem that the most stress-relieving thing to do would be to ignore Prince and his "dimwitted" and "deaf" fams.

are u refering to me with your Trevyer .. if so you are way off .. as I said in my other post .. I don't attack anyone .. and neither do any of the other "negative haters" .. we get attacked by the so called "positive" people and then in turn retaliate and unleash a hellish fury of intelligent critique as well as whatever namecalling right back at those who name called us. get it?

u start it we finish it .. just like that .. but make no mistake .. its the "positive" people who do the attacking first .. we just dish it right back when it happens .. so maybe all these "positive" people should re think their efforts to get us to leave the org .

and also .. none of us haterz are "mad" .. usually just having fun and being honest about the music .. the only thing that gets us mad is being attacked cuz then we have to waste our time defending ourselves and proving what hypocrites all the "positive" attackers are

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Yes, I was referring to you, and I'm not way off. On several occasions rather than just discuss what you don't like about the music, you have questioned and attacked people's tastes, intelligence, and sanity for liking Prince's production over the past ten years or so. Yes, you say what you don't like about the music, but you also include personal attacks of Prince and the people who like it. (On the other hand, I have published more than 100 analyses of books, films, music, and I have never attacked the artist or the people who like the art no matter how poorly crafted I think the art is. In fact, after my first year of publishing, I refused to write reviews/analyses about works that I think are poorly crafted because I think that time is better served giving readers examples of well-crafted art rather than bemoaning what I dislike. But, that's just me.) However, the next round of posts will be me saying that you have attacked people and you saying you haven't so why bother. All I would like to know is what's the point of spending ten years or so bemoaning that you don't like something? I just hope that when it gets to a point that I am no longer moved by Prince's work that I will be able to find someone else who moves me rather than spending time bemoaning that I no longer like Prince's work. Again, I no longer eat at restaurants that I don't like, and I don't continue chasing women that I don't like. So, I don't see the point of spending ten years or so engaging something that I don't like. But, hey, to each his own.

Stymie said:

1725topp said:

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It's a question about common decency. I have never called anybody a name on this site, yet I've seen it done by both sides but mostly by people who state that Prince hasn't moved them in a number of years. (Now, until the mods are willing to waste their time with an empirical study, we'll just have to agree to disagree which side does it more.) Also, it's not an issue of bullying as I never used that term, and it's certainaly not a question of having "an emotional investment over someone none of us know personally." Though I could say the same about people who have spent the past five, ten, fifteen, or twenty years ranting about how terrible Prince's work is and how lame the people who like them are. Why won't anyone tell me why it doesn't make more sense for them to simply find someone else that moves them? Is it because they are overly emotionally invested? It seems to me like they are the ones with the excessive emotional investment since they can't stop bemoaning how much they are bothered by Prince's recent output and those that like it. And just like you don't understand my position, I don't understand yours. So, we'll just agree to disagree and move on.

But I do understand your position, I just don't agree with it.

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Very good.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

1725topp said:

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Yes, but that's just one example of Bart attacking people personally who have differing views, especially people who like Prince's recent music. Are you saying that Bart, or Trevyer, and others have never attacked people for liking something that they don't like? The bottom line is that Bart and Trevyer--who are intelligent and can act so when they desire to do so--have a history of attacking people's "tastes," "intelligence," and "sanity" when those people like work that they don't like. And, yes, of course, the "fams" have started to respond to them with insults, which is just as bad and childish, but there is an atmosphere of negativity here that is caused mostly by those who have not been moved by Prince over the past ten, fifteen, or twenty years and they have consistently attacked those who have continued to be moved by Prince's work. And, sure the "fams" respond, but how many times can people be attacked just for liking music before they do respond. That's like the playground bully saying, "I can't believe the entire class finally decided to whip my ass." Really? You take enough lunch money, and finally someone will defend themselves. I'm not saying anyone is right for attacking anyone, but the seeds that have been planted on this site can only blossom negativity because, for the most part, that's mostly what has been allowed under the guise I have a right to my opinion, even when it includes calling people names.

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And just to add a final point that I just don't understand, why are they so mad that someone created art that they didn't like? Prince is just a human being, and common sense (knowledge gain from daily interactions or living) informs us that it is likely that a person will only create a limited amount of art that others will like. The day I first heard Around the World in a Day, even though I liked it, I realized that it would be a great possibility that one day Prince would create something that I wouldn't like. By understanding this, I know that it's not the end of the world or a reason to be angry if Prince creates something I don't like. That's life. Wouldn't the most effective thing to do would be to find someone who creates art that one likes rather than continuing to bemoan the fact that Prince no longer does? (I'm really asking a question.) If one does not like what Prince does any more, why not find someone who creates what one likes? Now, I'm sure that some will say that I am somehow being mean or insulting or attacking so, also, tell me how I'm being mean or insulting or attacking by simply asking why does someone continue to be bothered with an artist who seemingly, based on his recent output, does not desire to be bothered with your tastes? I guess it's the same as complaining about McDonald's giving one cold French fries. If we complain enough, then we'll get hot French fries. But after ten years, maybe it's time to get French fries from somewhere else. So, please tell me why these people are so angry that on three to five threads a day they must tell us how much they dislike Prince's music and us for liking it when it would seem that the most stress-relieving thing to do would be to ignore Prince and his "dimwitted" and "deaf" fams.

Uhh...no. If I were saying that, I'd have said just that but I didn't. I merely took the example you posted and showed how it wasn't the way you seemed to have taken it. Which is a perfect example of what tends to happen here a whole lot. Y'all take stuff and read way more into it than there is and then fly all off into the stratosphere with your responses, based on whatever it is that ran through your imaginations.

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In the example I used, Bart is attacking people that like something he doesn't like. Anyone saying Bart has never attacked people on this site is like saying it doesn't rain during spring. It's not about taking things and running with it. Several people on this site have a long history of attacking people for liking what they don't like. Now, we can spend the next few posts saying "Yes they do", "No, they don't" but why bother. I've made my point. I'm good.

1725topp said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Uhh...no. If I were saying that, I'd have said just that but I didn't. I merely took the example you posted and showed how it wasn't the way you seemed to have taken it. Which is a perfect example of what tends to happen here a whole lot. Y'all take stuff and read way more into it than there is and then fly all off into the stratosphere with your responses, based on whatever it is that ran through your imaginations.

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In the example I used, Bart is attacking people that like something he doesn't like. Anyone saying Bart has never attacked people on this site is like saying it doesn't rain during spring. It's not about taking things and running with it. Several people on this site have a long history of attacking people for liking what they don't like. Now, we can spend the next few posts saying "Yes they do", "No, they don't" but why bother. I've made my point. I'm good.

Actually you haven't made your point though because Bart was not attacking people that like something that he doesn't like in the example you used nor has anyone said that he has never done so, so where you're getting that from, I don't know. But hey, you're good.

At the end of the day, we are all Prince fans and we all deserve to be here. Prince just isnt very good anymore and his fanbase is split and divided which leads to a lot of the heated discussions being discussed here. Who really wants a sanitised org anyway? How boring and uninteresting it would be if everyone had the same views and there were no arguments and mud slinging. I dont know about anyone else, but I check out the org at work to help break up the office monotony and I like the slagging matches, they keep me entertained.

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I never went on the NPGMC message boards because of the united sycophantic nature of them. In the same way I wouldnt join a "I hate Prince" message board either. I like that there are differeing views on the org and I like that I can sit back and read those views whilst still having an opinion of my own.

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Whatever anyone says on here, we all know at the end of the month we will have the new albums in our hands or on our computer (legally or illigally) because we desperately want to hear the new music. We will then divide and split over time into different camps, those that like, those that dont and those that think it is just average (once again). And life will go on, insults will fly and I will enjoy watching it all pan out.

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In the meantime, I will stick to my opinion that despite TRC and 3121, Prince has released a lot of rubbish in the 21st century. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it (cue fam responses informing me to leave and find another artist to like).

We are all fams , some Prince fams , some hate fams , some bart fams etc.

Militant said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

And way too many quit posting because sycophants, too! Your objectivity needs work.

Is that a fact, though? Because I posed that exact question in the Facebook group. Lots of people said they left because of the hatred and negativity. Nobody posted that they left because of sycophants. So have people told you that for a fact, or....?

And it extends past Prince. There's been threads of pure, unadulerated bile and viciousness against Mayte, Cat Glover, Jill Jones, Bria, and more. What have these people done to deserve those things?

The negativity issue isn't about people liking or not liking what Prince is doing. And it's not about sycophants. It's about a nasty toxic cloud of bitterness that is permeating this site, coming from the same small group of people. And some of them with multiple accounts, too.

I have my account for nearly 10 years now, and while I probably won't delete it, I only use it twice a year or so these days and mainly visit prince.org as a source of Prince info now. I don't mind criticism at all, and I actually enjoy the critical take that experienced long-term fans such as NouveauDance or vainandy (just to name two) have on Prince's more recent output. But the overall atmosphere on the org is ruined for me! Seriously: if someone used to be a Prince fan and now claims to dislike every single song (!) that Prince has released post-TGE, then this person either has an agenda rather than an opinion or is musically uneducated.

Rebeljuice said:

hopefularranger said:

Rebeljuice said:

Prince just isnt very good anymore

You don't like what he's doing anymore. That doesn't mean it "isn't very good." There is a difference.

Correct. Thanks for pointing that out. There is a danger that some people who would read my comment may believe it to be entirely factual and, based on that comment, never listen to Prince again, but I doubt they are allowed out in public without their doctor.

yet another thread hating on the haters...............hell, there are more threads by anti-haters than haters!!

hopefularranger said:

SoulAlive said:

If YOU like something,why does it matter if some other fans don't like it? Just enjoy it for yourself and don't worry about what other fans may think

Aerogram said:

On the other hand:

If you don't like something why does it matter that others like it? Just dislike it for yourself and don't worry about what others fans think.

Both of these. And of course, you could apply my rule.

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i can see right up prince's nose from here

I was going to read this thread but... waaaayyyyy too many words!

Look Prince started all this hater thing off when he was The Artist or Symbol or Squiggle or somethin'.
He did this track called 'Eye Hate You' which includes the line 'I hate u because I love u but I can't love u because I hate u'.

Although ignored at the time by interweb 'surfers' who were busy onvestigating Area 51 an ting, this song came to provide the theological basis for TwuntTube users when the first Michael Jackson hater thread was launched.

Since then, it's become standard practice to hate stuff venomously because you want to buy it.
A good example of this came recently when Beatles fans set fire to several US cities because the US Albums didn't contain genuine fake stereo from the 1960's. Streuth!

Prince, meanwhile, having hated himself so much he changed his name to a squiggle and then hating himself EVEN MORE changed his name back to Prince, has been leading the practice by appreciating his fans so much that he doesn't release his albums until they are actually issuing death-threats.

So self-hating is he that he has embarked on a long-winded campaign to have himself removed from the interwebs especially after receiving lifetime membership payments from 'fams' (he hates 'fans' because they're 'fanatics') which engenders further hatred for him.

So it is that in the spirit of this hate, the orgers practice a no-holds barred 'love' that borders on the psychopathic.

Erm....or somethin'

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