Aerogram said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

The difference is most people that have criticized Prince don't come here because we're not crazy about Prince, though. Hell, most, not all but most have been crazy about him 20 years or more and this place has been here for us, for what, about 15 years? To discuss Prince - the good, the bad and the WTF was he thinking...without Prince snatching it away from us, though I'm pretty sure he's wanted to and tried. So why should we just shut up and go away because some other Prince fans cannot handle what we have to say?

You're right about LR, I should have picked an example of an artist I really loved for years but have been acutely underwhelmed with for almost as many. Then I'd have to add some level of insane nitpicking to match what happens here.

As for some not being "able to handle"... crazy talk, we've been living with far far worse levels of acrimony toward Prince, at times very well deserved but with two albums on the horizon still being met by a barrage of negativity and bitterness, it's harder to make some place in our heart for those that make a long term habit of explaining how much they still don't like Prince anymore.

Aerogram said:

with two albums on the horizon still being met by a barrage of negativity and bitterness, it's harder to make some place in our heart for those that make a long term habit of explaining how much they still don't like Prince anymore.

Exactly this. I welcome criticisms and am fine if people don't like the same things I like. But I'm shocked that the same group of people are STILL finding ways to be negative right now. There's two new albums coming out. His first in 4 years! On a major, who are already putting huge promotion into it. There's bound to be some songs you'll like on it. I would be VERY surprised if even these people don't like a few songs on each album. And you know their asses are gonna be listening on release day just like the rest of us

Aerogram said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

The difference is most people that have criticized Prince don't come here because we're not crazy about Prince, though. Hell, most, not all but most have been crazy about him 20 years or more and this place has been here for us, for what, about 15 years? To discuss Prince - the good, the bad and the WTF was he thinking...without Prince snatching it away from us, though I'm pretty sure he's wanted to and tried. So why should we just shut up and go away because some other Prince fans cannot handle what we have to say?

You're right about LR, I should have picked an example of an artist I really loved for years but have been acutely underwhelmed with for almost as many. Then I'd have to add some level of insane nitpicking to match what happens here.

As for some not being "able to handle"... crazy talk, we've been living with far far worse levels of acrimony toward Prince, at times very well deserved but with two albums on the horizon still being met by a barrage of negativity and bitterness, it's harder to make some place in our heart for those that make a long term habit of explaining how much they still don't like Prince anymore.

But no one is asking y'all to do that though, are we? As long as you can do you AND we can do us...this place...that we ALL enjoy...continues to reign. When taken into consideration ALL of the Prince fan sites that have come and GONE over the years that eventually caved what they stood for...to Prince's WHIMS, isn't that what we ALL as supposedly...fans of Prince...want?

A few things make me scratch my head about some of the posters here. Yes, I don't get the reason why some people do nothing but criticize Prince, other than to troll the site. If that is the case, many, many of you continue to let yourselves get baited by that. A thread can be mostly positive and some of you will immediately hone in on the posts that you perceive to be negative.

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I also don't get how some of those who consider themselves to be the positive ones say such negative things about the negative ones. You tell these people that they don't have a life and yet, here you are wasting your time and energy chastising them.

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Prince himself had a site where people could convene and positivity ruled. He himself shut it down. Think about that.

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I do not get how people defend him so fervently. Prince himself is critical of others and yet, some of you don' think he should be open to criticism, deserved or undeserved. He esposes "real music by real musicians" and growing up on my parents' music tastes and growing on on Prince's music, there is a standard that I am used to. He holds others to standards and we are not supposed to hold him to any?

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"I do not like this Prince song".

"I do like this Prince song because...."

"This song is shit."

All of these responses will be met by the same type of response, no matter how measured and thought out that response is. Is there anyone here who can just hear and song and just not like it? Sometimes, it really is not that deep.

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The holier than thou attitude of some of the posters here, like they have never criticized or said another artist sucks or hate a particular song of an artist they do like, is laughable.

* If someone was ever a fan of Prince and continue to be a fan of his earlier work, they have a right to be here, too.

Stymie said:

* If someone was ever a fan of Prince and continue to be a fan of his earlier work, they have a right to be here, too.

I don't have a problem with this. However, dozens of people have quit posting here because of the hate. And hate is entirely different thing from valid criticisms.

Militant said:

Stymie said:

* If someone was ever a fan of Prince and continue to be a fan of his earlier work, they have a right to be here, too.

I don't have a problem with this. However, dozens of people have quit posting here because of the hate. And hate is entirely different thing from valid criticisms.

Honestly, how many people are we talking about? And you could pinpoint the exact people who do this on a regular basis. Why poeple keep giving the shine they want is beyond me.

Take into account also that people have left because of the so-called positive folks too.

Here's my approach ot this site, particularly this forum, most of the time if I have nothing positive to say, I don't say anything. I don't exist on this site to cause someone to have a bad time here. When I do post in this forum, I am being honest about my feelings. Some peopel think I am trolling and I don't care. If I say anything except "Prince is the greatest" someone will find a reason to take issue with that.

I do not let overly positive or negative people destroy my experience here.

Lastly, I hope one day that Ben will divide up the forum. A positive one and a not so positive one.

Militant said:

Stymie said:

* If someone was ever a fan of Prince and continue to be a fan of his earlier work, they have a right to be here, too.

I don't have a problem with this. However, dozens of people have quit posting here because of the hate. And hate is entirely different thing from valid criticisms.

And way too many quit posting because sycophants, too! Your objectivity needs work.

[Edited 8/30/14 9:34am]

Stymie said:

A few things make me scratch my head about some of the posters here. Yes, I don't get the reason why some people do nothing but criticize Prince, other than to troll the site. If that is the case, many, many of you continue to let yourselves get baited by that. A thread can be mostly positive and some of you will immediately hone in on the posts that you perceive to be negative.

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I also don't get how some of those who consider themselves to be the positive ones say such negative things about the negative ones. You tell these people that they don't have a life and yet, here you are wasting your time and energy chastising them.

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Prince himself had a site where people could convene and positivity ruled. He himself shut it down. Think about that.

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I do not get how people defend him so fervently. Prince himself is critical of others and yet, some of you don' think he should be open to criticism, deserved or undeserved. He esposes "real music by real musicians" and growing up on my parents' music tastes and growing on on Prince's music, there is a standard that I am used to. He holds others to standards and we are not supposed to hold him to any?

*

"I do not like this Prince song".

"I do like this Prince song because...."

"This song is shit."

All of these responses will be met by the same type of response, no matter how measured and thought out that response is. Is there anyone here who can just hear and song and just not like it? Sometimes, it really is not that deep.

*

The holier than thou attitude of some of the posters here, like they have never criticized or said another artist sucks or hate a particular song of an artist they do like, is laughable.

* If someone was ever a fan of Prince and continue to be a fan of his earlier work, they have a right to be here, too.

Don't you realize by now that Prince is entitled to a mind of his own with his own likes and dislikes but no one else is entitled to a mind of their own? You're supposed to like what Prince likes and dislike what Prince dislikes. And if Prince changes his mind about something, you're supposed to change your mind about it also. The most important thing to remember is, Prince is your Lord and Saviour and if you want a place in his Purple Heaven in The Afterworld when The Dawn comes, you had best bow down, worship him, and defend him against anyone that doesn't like even the smallest things that he does. And u also need 2 start typing like this with the u's, 2's, 4's, and all the other Prince abbreviations when u're making posts because it's more Princelike. U're not b-ing a good little purple hippie and u need 2 get your shit together. I'm watching u missy. And above all, PRAAAAAISE PRINCE! PRAISE HIM!

vainandy said:

Stymie said:

A few things make me scratch my head about some of the posters here. Yes, I don't get the reason why some people do nothing but criticize Prince, other than to troll the site. If that is the case, many, many of you continue to let yourselves get baited by that. A thread can be mostly positive and some of you will immediately hone in on the posts that you perceive to be negative.

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I also don't get how some of those who consider themselves to be the positive ones say such negative things about the negative ones. You tell these people that they don't have a life and yet, here you are wasting your time and energy chastising them.

*

Prince himself had a site where people could convene and positivity ruled. He himself shut it down. Think about that.

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I do not get how people defend him so fervently. Prince himself is critical of others and yet, some of you don' think he should be open to criticism, deserved or undeserved. He esposes "real music by real musicians" and growing up on my parents' music tastes and growing on on Prince's music, there is a standard that I am used to. He holds others to standards and we are not supposed to hold him to any?

*

"I do not like this Prince song".

"I do like this Prince song because...."

"This song is shit."

All of these responses will be met by the same type of response, no matter how measured and thought out that response is. Is there anyone here who can just hear and song and just not like it? Sometimes, it really is not that deep.

*

The holier than thou attitude of some of the posters here, like they have never criticized or said another artist sucks or hate a particular song of an artist they do like, is laughable.

* If someone was ever a fan of Prince and continue to be a fan of his earlier work, they have a right to be here, too.

Don't you realize by now that Prince is entitled to a mind of his own with his own likes and dislikes but no one else is entitled to a mind of their own? You're supposed to like what Prince likes and dislike what Prince dislikes. And if Prince changes his mind about something, you're supposed to change your mind about it also. The most important thing to remember is, Prince is your Lord and Saviour and if you want a place in his Purple Heaven in The Afterworld when The Dawn comes, you had best bow down, worship him, and defend him against anyone that doesn't like even the smallest things that he does. And u also need 2 start typing like this with the u's, 2's, 4's, and all the other Prince abbreviations when u're making posts because it's more Princelike. U're not b-ing a good little purple hippie and u need 2 get your shit together. I'm watching u missy. And above all, PRAAAAAISE PRINCE! PRAISE HIM!

oh.my.god.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Militant said:

I don't have a problem with this. However, dozens of people have quit posting here because of the hate. And hate is entirely different thing from valid criticisms.

And way too many quit posting because sycophants, too! Your objectivity needs work.

Is that a fact, though? Because I posed that exact question in the Facebook group. Lots of people said they left because of the hatred and negativity. Nobody posted that they left because of sycophants. So have people told you that for a fact, or....?

And it extends past Prince. There's been threads of pure, unadulerated bile and viciousness against Mayte, Cat Glover, Jill Jones, Bria, and more. What have these people done to deserve those things?

The negativity issue isn't about people liking or not liking what Prince is doing. And it's not about sycophants. It's about a nasty toxic cloud of bitterness that is permeating this site, coming from the same small group of people. And some of them with multiple accounts, too.

Militant said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

And way too many quit posting because sycophants, too! Your objectivity needs work.

Is that a fact, though? Because I posed that exact question in the Facebook group. Lots of people said they left because of the hatred and negativity. Nobody posted that they left because of sycophants. So have people told you that for a fact, or....?

And it extends past Prince. There's been threads of pure, unadulerated bile and viciousness against Mayte, Cat Glover, Jill Jones, Bria, and more. What have these people done to deserve those things?

The negativity issue isn't about people liking or not liking what Prince is doing. And it's not about sycophants. It's about a nasty toxic cloud of bitterness that is permeating this site, coming from the same small group of people. And some of them with multiple accounts, too.

Yes, it is a fact.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Militant said:

Is that a fact, though? Because I posed that exact question in the Facebook group. Lots of people said they left because of the hatred and negativity. Nobody posted that they left because of sycophants. So have people told you that for a fact, or....?

And it extends past Prince. There's been threads of pure, unadulerated bile and viciousness against Mayte, Cat Glover, Jill Jones, Bria, and more. What have these people done to deserve those things?

The negativity issue isn't about people liking or not liking what Prince is doing. And it's not about sycophants. It's about a nasty toxic cloud of bitterness that is permeating this site, coming from the same small group of people. And some of them with multiple accounts, too.

Yes, it is a fact.

Color me sceptical, but I'll bear it in mind.

Militant said:

I don't have a problem with this. However, dozens of people have quit posting here because of the hate. And hate is entirely different thing from valid criticisms.

The negativity issue isn't about people liking or not liking what Prince is doing. And it's not about sycophants. It's about a nasty toxic cloud of bitterness that is permeating this site, coming from the same small group of people. And some of them with multiple accounts, too.

I personaly agree with this
I've been around since 2001. I stopped posting for a while, All because the hate and negativity around here
I only came to check for album realses, new boots
This site became a joke.. just like a some of users were and are
Its not that im hurt, care or cant handle what people say. It became more like who wants to read this shit

Its not fare to judge people, but i would come here and think "these people have no lifes"
Welcome to the internet age

Militant said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Yes, it is a fact.

Color me sceptical, but I'll bear it in mind.

Whatever. If you find it hard to believe that some people have stopped posting here because they got sick of wasting their energy dealing with sycophants starting shit with or someone else because they didn't like what they had to say about Prince - which is just as aggravating as any negativity issues and it happens far too often - I really don't know what to tell you other than, "Pay attention!"

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Militant said:

Color me sceptical, but I'll bear it in mind.

Whatever. If you find it hard to believe that some people have stopped posting here because they got sick of wasting their energy dealing with sycophants starting shit with or someone else because they didn't like what they had to say about Prince - which is just as aggravating as any negativity issues and it happens far too often - I really don't know what to tell you other than, "Pay attention!"

It's not that I find it hard to believe. It's just that I've personally asked over 50 fans why they don't post here or why they stopped, had a great deal of replies that said it was because of negativity, and not a single reply stating that it was because of sycophants. I've seen a great deal of evidence to support the point I'm making - including the reply from FragileUndertow directly above yours.

I've seen no evidence to support the point you're making.

Militant said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Whatever. If you find it hard to believe that some people have stopped posting here because they got sick of wasting their energy dealing with sycophants starting shit with or someone else because they didn't like what they had to say about Prince - which is just as aggravating as any negativity issues and it happens far too often - I really don't know what to tell you other than, "Pay attention!"

It's not that I find it hard to believe. It's just that I've personally asked over 50 fans why they don't post here or why they stopped, had a great deal of replies that said it was because of negativity, and not a single reply stating that it was because of sycophants. I've seen a great deal of evidence to support the point I'm making - including the reply from FragileUndertow directly above yours.

I've seen no evidence to support the point you're making.

Okay, the next time I hear that from someone, I'll be sure to tell them to come and report to YOU, so you'll have evidence.

I know if I ever left, it would be because of the so-called positive ones. Not that I have a problem with their level of fandom, but because of the way they talk to others who don't think as they do. The so-called positive ones here contribute to the negativity. Witth that, I could quote you hundreds of examples.

steakfinger said:

Militant said:

We are cracking down on the more hateful, flaming, attack based stuff. When people cross the line they get warned and banned. If you see a post that crosses the line, use the "report" button and we'll check it out. We do get certain people (who often register multiple accounts) who come here just to bash and stir up negativity. When we discover this, we ban those people.

That aside, people have the right to their opinion. But it does seem like there's a contigency of people who hate on whatever Prince does. I find that more pathetic than anything else. But, positivity will always win.

Positivity doesn't exist, so it cannot win. You're thinking of reality. When it matches your ideas about things then that's positivity winning. When reality goes a different direction than the one you think is right, then that's what you call negativity.

Criticism is not negativity. Positivity and negativity are concepts like green and brown.

Like all things that depend on human minds for their existance, these ideas are variable depending on the person holding them and therefore not universal cosmic absolutes, (like the speed of light in a vacuum) that are eternal and never-changing.

Superstition needs to go away so humanity can get their shit together.

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Your point may be theoretically true, but the problem as it relates to this site is that there are a certain number of folks who don't just provide criticism of Prince's music; they also attack people who like it. So, it's one thing to say "a song is not well-crafted because of _________," but when that is then followed with "and anyone who doesn't realizes this is an asskisser or a moron" or "and anyone who likes it is an asskisser or a moron,' then that's beyond so-called objective criticism. And while you may not label that "negative," it is certainly, by definition, destructive rather than constructive. Moreso, the fact that they also attack Prince's person--name calling--when discussing the art shows that these people are anything but objective and are destructive. For instance, there are many artists whose work that I don't like, but I've never found a reason to attack that artist personally for creating art that I don't like. Additionally, if one is truly objective, then one only needs to state a point once unless one has been misunderstood or misquoted. Unfortunately, most of these people continue to tell us the same thing regarding the same issue, over and over, which seems to indicate that objective criticism is not their "real" purpose. It seems that their real purpose or "need" is to have others dislike something that they dislike. And, if this was not their purpose, then they would not continue to attack people who actually like what they dislike or attack Prince's "person". True artistic criticism discusses the art without discussing the artist or the people who like or dislike it because true artistic criticism is concerned only with the art. And these people certainly are concerned with much more than Prince's art.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Aerogram said:

You're right about LR, I should have picked an example of an artist I really loved for years but have been acutely underwhelmed with for almost as many. Then I'd have to add some level of insane nitpicking to match what happens here.

As for some not being "able to handle"... crazy talk, we've been living with far far worse levels of acrimony toward Prince, at times very well deserved but with two albums on the horizon still being met by a barrage of negativity and bitterness, it's harder to make some place in our heart for those that make a long term habit of explaining how much they still don't like Prince anymore.

But no one is asking y'all to do that though, are we? As long as you can do you AND we can do us...this place...that we ALL enjoy...continues to reign. When taken into consideration ALL of the Prince fan sites that have come and GONE over the years that eventually caved what they stood for...to Prince's WHIMS, isn't that what we ALL as supposedly...fans of Prince...want?

Well here at the Org we always wanted respectful debates and so in our magnaminous wisdom we allow quite a few chronic naysayers who can't seem to get disgusted enough to quit.

I have never seen a 'negative' person attack another person for liking prince. Ever!

I have however seen numerous 'positive' people shit all over anyone who thinks a prince song sucks and tell them to leave, at which point the 'negative' person then takes the time to destroy the asshole who shat all over them in the first place.

some people are very polite and cannot handle when others talk smack about prince .. they probably shouldn't be on the internet because it is not always about dotting your eyes and saying please and thank u ..

when prince drops a load of diarhea .. again .. and again ... and again .. some people just wanna vent and say what they wanna say .. nothing wrong with that

then all the 'positive' people come along and try to harrass anyone with a differing opinion into not posting

just look at who says "go away" .. "stop posting here" "why do you bother" .. its always the so called "positive people" .. every single time

Aerogram said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

But no one is asking y'all to do that though, are we? As long as you can do you AND we can do us...this place...that we ALL enjoy...continues to reign. When taken into consideration ALL of the Prince fan sites that have come and GONE over the years that eventually caved what they stood for...to Prince's WHIMS, isn't that what we ALL as supposedly...fans of Prince...want?

Well here at the Org we always wanted respectful debates and so in our magnaminous wisdom we allow quite a few chronic naysayers who can't seem to get disgusted enough to quit.

An admission of guilt?

TrevorAyer said:

I have never seen a 'negative' person attack another person for liking prince. Ever!

I have however seen numerous 'positive' people shit all over anyone who thinks a prince song sucks and tell them to leave, at which point the 'negative' person then takes the time to destroy the asshole who shat all over them in the first place.

some people are very polite and cannot handle when others talk smack about prince .. they probably shouldn't be on the internet because it is not always about dotting your eyes and saying please and thank u ..

when prince drops a load of diarhea .. again .. and again ... and again .. some people just wanna vent and say what they wanna say .. nothing wrong with that

then all the 'positive' people come along and try to harrass anyone with a differing opinion into not posting

just look at who says "go away" .. "stop posting here" "why do you bother" .. its always the so called "positive people" .. every single time

OH...the TRUTHINESS!!!

TrevorAyer said:

I have never seen a 'negative' person attack another person for liking prince. Ever!

I have however seen numerous 'positive' people shit all over anyone who thinks a prince song sucks and tell them to leave, at which point the 'negative' person then takes the time to destroy the asshole who shat all over them in the first place.

some people are very polite and cannot handle when others talk smack about prince .. they probably shouldn't be on the internet because it is not always about dotting your eyes and saying please and thank u ..

when prince drops a load of diarhea .. again .. and again ... and again .. some people just wanna vent and say what they wanna say .. nothing wrong with that

then all the 'positive' people come along and try to harrass anyone with a differing opinion into not posting

just look at who says "go away" .. "stop posting here" "why do you bother" .. its always the so called "positive people" .. every single time

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I am sure that you are just engaging in hyperbole. Just two days ago, Bart stated about people who like Prince's recent music that "most of them are dimwitted beyond belief" in the "This 'Real Music' Thing Has Gone too Far" Thread. And, a few days ago, Pentacle stated "Y'all some deaf MF's" in the "Clouds" Thread when a few folks were merely discussing their like of the song. Why did Pentacle feel the need to attack--name call--others? (As a note, I like "Clouds," but I don't think it is great, and, to my point, I've not had a reason to convince others that they should not like it as much as they do or that they should like it less because I do.) Why couldn't Pentacle just say what Pentacle doesn't like about the song? Why are people "dimwitted" simply because they like music that Bart doesn't like? Now, to be fair/honest, I've heard people on both sides say about songs that they like: "I don't know how someone who calls themselves a Prince fan doesn't like this song," but that pales in comparison to calling someone "dimwitted," "deaf," or an "asskisser".

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There are, as you and others know, many more posts in which people attack people for liking something that they dislike, but, to be honest, I don't read and post here nearly as much as I did in the past because of this very type of negativity. Now, I come here mostly for information regarding music releases and other events to avoid this type of negativity, which is the only reason why I'm not providing more.

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And, yes, I have asked why people who have not been moved by Prince's work in ten, fifteen, twenty years continue to come here because, again, in most cases it's not just the music y'all discuss. It's usually, "I hate Prince's new music and y'all dimwitted, deaf MF's who like it." Additionally, I've stated that if my favorite restaurant stops making the food I like why would I continue to eat there? Or, if my wife started mistreating me and sexing someone else, why would I stay? Yet, many of y'all sound like the dude who brokeup with his woman but won't stop talking about her even after ten, fifteen, or twenty years. However, to be clear, many folks have asked y'all "why do y'all bother" or "why do y'all keep posting the same negativity," but rarely do they attack y'all personally or say that y'all don't have a right to be here. Y'all have been called "haters," hence the labels "haters" and "fams," but rarely do people question y'all's "taste," "intelligence," or "sanity" in the manner that y'all question the "taste," "intelligence," or "sanity" of people who have continued to be moved in some way by Prince's music. However, y'all--the ones who have not been moved by Prince in the past ten, fifteen, twenty years--are constantly calling us--those who have liked Prince's work over the past ten, fifteen, twenty years--lame, asskissers, deaf, dimwitted, etc. So, that says what? :^)

[Edited 8/31/14 3:29am]

Sorry: Misspelled Pentacle's name--twice.

[Edited 8/31/14 3:42am]

TrevorAyer said:

I have never seen a 'negative' person attack another person for liking prince. Ever!

I have however seen numerous 'positive' people shit all over anyone who thinks a prince song sucks and tell them to leave, at which point the 'negative' person then takes the time to destroy the asshole who shat all over them in the first place.

some people are very polite and cannot handle when others talk smack about prince .. they probably shouldn't be on the internet because it is not always about dotting your eyes and saying please and thank u ..

when prince drops a load of diarhea .. again .. and again ... and again .. some people just wanna vent and say what they wanna say .. nothing wrong with that

then all the 'positive' people come along and try to harrass anyone with a differing opinion into not posting

just look at who says "go away" .. "stop posting here" "why do you bother" .. its always the so called "positive people" .. every single time

Exactly! And another funny thing is the so called "positive" people usually start threads like this.............and threads like this are NEGATIVE!! like I said before, the only thing worse than negativity is the people who are being negative about the negativity. The thing that is great about this website is the ability to express your opinion. Squashing the negative opinions is just as bad as squashing the positive ones. Can't believe there is another thread about this.

Are de dum are you all upset i started this thread bless you all , wipe you tears away

3rdeyedude said:

TrevorAyer said:

I have never seen a 'negative' person attack another person for liking prince. Ever!

I have however seen numerous 'positive' people shit all over anyone who thinks a prince song sucks and tell them to leave, at which point the 'negative' person then takes the time to destroy the asshole who shat all over them in the first place.

some people are very polite and cannot handle when others talk smack about prince .. they probably shouldn't be on the internet because it is not always about dotting your eyes and saying please and thank u ..

when prince drops a load of diarhea .. again .. and again ... and again .. some people just wanna vent and say what they wanna say .. nothing wrong with that

then all the 'positive' people come along and try to harrass anyone with a differing opinion into not posting

just look at who says "go away" .. "stop posting here" "why do you bother" .. its always the so called "positive people" .. every single time

Exactly! And another funny thing is the so called "positive" people usually start threads like this.............and threads like this are NEGATIVE!! like I said before, the only thing worse than negativity is the people who are being negative about the negativity. The thing that is great about this website is the ability to express your opinion. Squashing the negative opinions is just as bad as squashing the positive ones. Can't believe there is another thread about this.

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Just so I'm clear. Are you're saying "it's great to call people names for liking what you don't like" because that is what this thread is questioning? And, when you say "Exactly," you are also saying that you have never read people attacking people for liking what they don't like? The issue of this thread is not about different tastes or people discussing their different tastes but about the manner in which people who haven't dug Prince's work in the past _______ number of years also attack people who have dug it. And, some of us are wondering how that behavior is "great"?

1725topp said:

3rdeyedude said:

Exactly! And another funny thing is the so called "positive" people usually start threads like this.............and threads like this are NEGATIVE!! like I said before, the only thing worse than negativity is the people who are being negative about the negativity. The thing that is great about this website is the ability to express your opinion. Squashing the negative opinions is just as bad as squashing the positive ones. Can't believe there is another thread about this.

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Just so I'm clear. Are you're saying "it's great to call people names for liking what you don't like" because that is what this thread is questioning? And, when you say "Exactly," you are also saying that you have never read people attacking people for liking what they don't like? The issue of this thread is not about different tastes or people discussing their different tastes but about the manner in which people who haven't dug Prince's work in the past _______ number of years also attack people who have dug it. And, some of us are wondering how that behavior is "great"?

Thank you , wish i could of started this thread the way you have put in to words, am not good at putting feelings into my words as most are on the org. I put my point across in the wrong words , i was trying to really ask why people on the org get dissed for liking something by prince. My bad for being naive.

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1725topp said:

TrevorAyer said:

I have never seen a 'negative' person attack another person for liking prince. Ever!

I have however seen numerous 'positive' people shit all over anyone who thinks a prince song sucks and tell them to leave, at which point the 'negative' person then takes the time to destroy the asshole who shat all over them in the first place.

some people are very polite and cannot handle when others talk smack about prince .. they probably shouldn't be on the internet because it is not always about dotting your eyes and saying please and thank u ..

when prince drops a load of diarhea .. again .. and again ... and again .. some people just wanna vent and say what they wanna say .. nothing wrong with that

then all the 'positive' people come along and try to harrass anyone with a differing opinion into not posting

just look at who says "go away" .. "stop posting here" "why do you bother" .. its always the so called "positive people" .. every single time

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I am sure that you are just engaging in hyperbole. Just two days ago, Bart stated about people who like Prince's recent music that "most of them are dimwitted beyond belief" in the "This 'Real Music' Thing Has Gone too Far" Thread. And, a few days ago, Pentacle stated "Y'all some deaf MF's" in the "Clouds" Thread when a few folks were merely discussing their like of the song. Why did Pentacle feel the need to attack--name call--others? (As a note, I like "Clouds," but I don't think it is great, and, to my point, I've not had a reason to convince others that they should not like it as much as they do or that they should like it less because I do.) Why couldn't Pentacle just say what Pentacle doesn't like about the song? Why are people "dimwitted" simply because they like music that Bart doesn't like? Now, to be fair/honest, I've heard people on both sides say about songs that they like: "I don't know how someone who calls themselves a Prince fan doesn't like this song," but that pales in comparison to calling someone "dimwitted," "deaf," or an "asskisser".

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There are, as you and others know, many more posts in which people attack people for liking something that they dislike, but, to be honest, I don't read and post here nearly as much as I did in the past because of this very type of negativity. Now, I come here mostly for information regarding music releases and other events to avoid this type of negativity, which is the only reason why I'm not providing more.

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And, yes, I have asked why people who have not been moved by Prince's work in ten, fifteen, twenty years continue to come here because, again, in most cases it's not just the music y'all discuss. It's usually, "I hate Prince's new music and y'all dimwitted, deaf MF's who like it." Additionally, I've stated that if my favorite restaurant stops making the food I like why would I continue to eat there? Or, if my wife started mistreating me and sexing someone else, why would I stay? Yet, many of y'all sound like the dude who brokeup with his woman but won't stop talking about her even after ten, fifteen, or twenty years. However, to be clear, many folks have asked y'all "why do y'all bother" or "why do y'all keep posting the same negativity," but rarely do they attack y'all personally or say that y'all don't have a right to be here. Y'all have been called "haters," hence the labels "haters" and "fams," but rarely do people question y'all's "taste," "intelligence," or "sanity" in the manner that y'all question the "taste," "intelligence," or "sanity" of people who have continued to be moved in some way by Prince's music. However, y'all--the ones who have not been moved by Prince in the past ten, fifteen, twenty years--are constantly calling us--those who have liked Prince's work over the past ten, fifteen, twenty years--lame, asskissers, deaf, dimwitted, etc. So, that says what? :^)

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Sorry: Misspelled Pentacle's name--twice.

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To be fair, he wasn't saying that about "people who like Prince's recent music". He was talking about the "unity and strength" someone was claiming exists on social media regarding Prince. There's no evidence of that because it's the same roughly 9000 or so, that are members of all the different groups and pages, with far, far, fewer than that number posting all the time and saying the same things over and over.

As for the second part that I highlighted, this blanket statement was posted 5 pages into the "Prince is releasing 2 albums" thread where there had been relatively little negativity prior:

"Frankly, if you're not excited about two new albums from Prince, when it's been 4 years since his last one, you don't belong on this site."

As for the third part I highlighted, to answer your question I'll say...

"New Prince music just stirs up the waters and wake up the bottom feeders." Page 11.

I guess the bottom feeders aren't as positively creative with the insults.

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1725topp said:

3rdeyedude said:

Exactly! And another funny thing is the so called "positive" people usually start threads like this.............and threads like this are NEGATIVE!! like I said before, the only thing worse than negativity is the people who are being negative about the negativity. The thing that is great about this website is the ability to express your opinion. Squashing the negative opinions is just as bad as squashing the positive ones. Can't believe there is another thread about this.

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Just so I'm clear. Are you're saying "it's great to call people names for liking what you don't like" because that is what this thread is questioning? And, when you say "Exactly," you are also saying that you have never read people attacking people for liking what they don't like? The issue of this thread is not about different tastes or people discussing their different tastes but about the manner in which people who haven't dug Prince's work in the past _______ number of years also attack people who have dug it. And, some of us are wondering how that behavior is "great"?

I have no problem with your posts on this thread other than you should call everyone out. Both sides do the attacking: the naysayers and the posivite ones.

Stymie said:

I have no problem with your posts on this thread other than you should call everyone out. Both sides do the attacking: the naysayers and the posivite ones.

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HatrinaHaterwitz said: To be fair [Bart] wasn't saying that about "people who like Prince's recent music".

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Yes, but that's just one example of Bart attacking people personally who have differing views, especially people who like Prince's recent music. Are you saying that Bart, or Trevyer, and others have never attacked people for liking something that they don't like? The bottom line is that Bart and Trevyer--who are intelligent and can act so when they desire to do so--have a history of attacking people's "tastes," "intelligence," and "sanity" when those people like work that they don't like. And, yes, of course, the "fams" have started to respond to them with insults, which is just as bad and childish, but there is an atmosphere of negativity here that is caused mostly by those who have not been moved by Prince over the past ten, fifteen, or twenty years and they have consistently attacked those who have continued to be moved by Prince's work. And, sure the "fams" respond, but how many times can people be attacked just for liking music before they do respond. That's like the playground bully saying, "I can't believe the entire class finally decided to whip my ass." Really? You take enough lunch money, and finally someone will defend themselves. I'm not saying anyone is right for attacking anyone, but the seeds that have been planted on this site can only blossom negativity because, for the most part, that's mostly what has been allowed under the guise I have a right to my opinion, even when it includes calling people names.

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And just to add a final point that I just don't understand, why are they so mad that someone created art that they didn't like? Prince is just a human being, and common sense (knowledge gain from daily interactions or living) informs us that it is likely that a person will only create a limited amount of art that others will like. The day I first heard Around the World in a Day, even though I liked it, I realized that it would be a great possibility that one day Prince would create something that I wouldn't like. By understanding this, I know that it's not the end of the world or a reason to be angry if Prince creates something I don't like. That's life. Wouldn't the most effective thing to do would be to find someone who creates art that one likes rather than continuing to bemoan the fact that Prince no longer does? (I'm really asking a question.) If one does not like what Prince does any more, why not find someone who creates what one likes? Now, I'm sure that some will say that I am somehow being mean or insulting or attacking so, also, tell me how I'm being mean or insulting or attacking by simply asking why does someone continue to be bothered with an artist who seemingly, based on his recent output, does not desire to be bothered with your tastes? I guess it's the same as complaining about McDonald's giving one cold French fries. If we complain enough, then we'll get hot French fries. But after ten years, maybe it's time to get French fries from somewhere else. So, please tell me why these people are so angry that on three to five threads a day they must tell us how much they dislike Prince's music and us for liking it when it would seem that the most stress-relieving thing to do would be to ignore Prince and his "dimwitted" and "deaf" fams.