Something certainly seems off or lacking. I'm baffled that they would release Whitecaps to promote a funk/rock album. The U know release seems somewhat logical even if it is his attempt to keep up with current trends.

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I thought maybe Prince had struck a similar deal to what you mentioned, maybe that's why there's hardly any promotion. I would have thought by now there would be more, but it looks like they're pushing the album more in the UK, which I suppose makes sense since they did a hit n run tour there, but then why announce the release of the album in the states & not the UK. I guess they know what they're doing? Time will tell I suppose. Maybe Prince is already bored with this project, but I hope not.

nosajd said:

Something certainly seems off or lacking. I'm baffled that they would release Whitecaps to promote a funk/rock album. The U know release seems somewhat logical even if it is his attempt to keep up with current trends.

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I thought maybe Prince had struck a similar deal to what you mentioned, maybe that's why there's hardly any promotion. I would have thought by now there would be more, but it looks like they're pushing the album more in the UK, which I suppose makes sense since they did a hit n run tour there, but then why announce the release of the album in the states & not the UK. I guess they know what they're doing? Time will tell I suppose. Maybe Prince is already bored with this project, but I hope not.

I haven't seen anything since that advert in the tube.

TheEnglishGent said:

nosajd said:

Something certainly seems off or lacking. I'm baffled that they would release Whitecaps to promote a funk/rock album. The U know release seems somewhat logical even if it is his attempt to keep up with current trends.

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I thought maybe Prince had struck a similar deal to what you mentioned, maybe that's why there's hardly any promotion. I would have thought by now there would be more, but it looks like they're pushing the album more in the UK, which I suppose makes sense since they did a hit n run tour there, but then why announce the release of the album in the states & not the UK. I guess they know what they're doing? Time will tell I suppose. Maybe Prince is already bored with this project, but I hope not.

I haven't seen anything since that advert in the tube.

That's too bad. I guess I was referring to their recent twitter posts. Is two weeks before an album drops still too early to expect more promotion? I guess the albums are being advertised on itunes & amazon, but isn't that just the norm?

Rebeljuice said:

Or...

The albums are going to be pulled and thrown into the vault 3 days before release

I hope this one is true !

But that doesn't tell why they didn' t release PR in due time.

RODSERLING said:

Rebeljuice said:

Or...

The albums are going to be pulled and thrown into the vault 3 days before release

I hope this one is true !

But that doesn't tell why they didn' t release PR in due time.

Hasn't the PR re-issue been set for November since the summer? Prob for xmas sales?

RODSERLING said:

Rebeljuice said:

Or...

The albums are going to be pulled and thrown into the vault 3 days before release

I hope this one is true !

But that doesn't tell why they didn' t release PR in due time.

Wasn't it always said that PR would be out around November time? Surely something like that wants to be promoted to cash in on the christmas market? They aren't selling it to us here on the org they want as many people as possible to pick it up, people who don't give a shit about which exact second the original was released.

nosajd said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I haven't seen anything since that advert in the tube.

That's too bad. I guess I was referring to their recent twitter posts. Is two weeks before an album drops still too early to expect more promotion? I guess the albums are being advertised on itunes & amazon, but isn't that just the norm?

Too early ?! lol it's already too late.

remember 3121 in 2006 :

- the first single was released on december 20, 2005

- music video of Blacksweat was released on february 2, 2006

- Blacksweat hit radio on february 7

- 3121 was released on march, 21

TheEnglishGent said:

RODSERLING said:

I hope this one is true !

But that doesn't tell why they didn' t release PR in due time.

Wasn't it always said that PR would be out around November time? Surely something like that wants to be promoted to cash in on the christmas market? They aren't selling it to us here on the org they want as many people as possible to pick it up, people who don't give a shit about which exact second the original was released.

the christmas market could have been cashed in on november too, if t was released months before, with a tour or something, tv special appearances.

Released during the summer, PR would have been #1, it would have generated much publicity, than if released among all the other christmas releases.

That is called mathematics, and you can't go against that.

RODSERLING said:

Released during the summer, PR would have been #1, it would have generated much publicity, than if released among all the other christmas releases.

That is called mathematics, and you can't go against that.

ok....

Anyway, I dont know why anyone is surprised by all the [lack of] promotion so far. This is the way Prince has conducted business for many years.

RODSERLING said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Wasn't it always said that PR would be out around November time? Surely something like that wants to be promoted to cash in on the christmas market? They aren't selling it to us here on the org they want as many people as possible to pick it up, people who don't give a shit about which exact second the original was released.

the christmas market could have been cashed in on november too, if t was released months before, with a tour or something, tv special appearances.

Released during the summer, PR would have been #1, it would have generated much publicity, than if released among all the other christmas releases.

That is called mathematics, and you can't go against that.

Rebeljuice said:

RODSERLING said:

Released during the summer, PR would have been #1, it would have generated much publicity, than if released among all the other christmas releases.

That is called mathematics, and you can't go against that.

ok....

Anyway, I dont know why anyone is surprised by all the [lack of] promotion so far. This is the way Prince has conducted business for many years.

In case you don't know, during summer sales are low. But during the christmas season the sales are high.

that implies that during a low season you can be number one easily. During the winter season, no way PR could be #1. it will be in the top 20 maybe, and forgotten fast.

But, if the album went #1 in june, it would have generated positive publicity.

One other thing to consider, is that PR usually sell something like 80.000 ex in the US every year. The more you wait, the more people will buy the regular edition of PR, the less they will buy the new edition. Mathematics, too. With 80.000 ex, you can be #1 in june (just for the example).

And when in Rome...the album reached his peak this year...well during the anniversay of PR, in june, with the help from media who celebrated the birthday.

Again, easy promotion, but against all odds WB chose to not make the reedition benefit from it. Crazy decision.

You think WB in late november, will succeed in create an interest in PURPLE RAIN, to make it #1 ? That's crazy, it can't happen.

RODSERLING said:

Rebeljuice said:

ok....

Anyway, I dont know why anyone is surprised by all the [lack of] promotion so far. This is the way Prince has conducted business for many years.

In case you don't know, during summer sales are low. But during the christmas season the sales are high.

that implies that during a low season you can be number one easily. During the winter season, no way PR could be #1. it will be in the top 20 maybe, and forgotten fast.

But, if the album went #1 in june, it would have generated positive publicity.

Publicity? You can't take publicity to the bank. Are you serioulsy saying it should have been released in a period when you acknowledge that it would sell less? Bigger number x price of sale = more profit. That's mathematics and you can't argue with that.

TheEnglishGent said:

RODSERLING said:

In case you don't know, during summer sales are low. But during the christmas season the sales are high.

that implies that during a low season you can be number one easily. During the winter season, no way PR could be #1. it will be in the top 20 maybe, and forgotten fast.

But, if the album went #1 in june, it would have generated positive publicity.

Publicity? You can't take publicity to the bank. Are you serioulsy saying it should have been released in a period when you acknowledge that it would sell less? Bigger number x price of sale = more profit. That's mathematics and you can't argue with that.

I can argue that :

- PR sells 80.000 every year, and as long as the regular edition is selling, that means less copies of the reedition that will be sold. FACT

- That's publicity from some media that made PR reentered the charts during summer. FACT. So yes, you can take publicity to the bank, because it's not thanks to WB. FACT

- Are you seriously saying that PR should have been released in a period when you acknowledge yourself that it's crowded with so much release ?

Fan will always buy the reedition, whenever it comes out. But how can you expect that the general audience will be attracted by an album old of 30 years with all the christmas releases ?

Remember the reedition of the Beatles ? released in early september

remember thriller 25 ? Released in february. If it were released during the Christmas season, the album wouldn't have been in the top 10, and it would have been regarded as a flop.

RODSERLING said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Publicity? You can't take publicity to the bank. Are you serioulsy saying it should have been released in a period when you acknowledge that it would sell less? Bigger number x price of sale = more profit. That's mathematics and you can't argue with that.

I can argue that :

- PR sells 80.000 every year, and as long as the regular edition is selling, that means less copies of the reedition that will be sold. FACT

- That's publicity from some media that made PR reentered the charts during summer. FACT. So yes, you can take publicity to the bank, because it's not thanks to WB. FACT

- Are you seriously saying that PR should have been released in a period when you acknowledge yourself that it's crowded with so much release ?

Fan will always buy the reedition, whenever it comes out. But how can you expect that the general audience will be attracted by an album old of 30 years with all the christmas releases ?

Remember the reedition of the Beatles ? released in early september

remember thriller 25 ? Released in february. If it were released during the Christmas season, the album wouldn't have been in the top 10, and it would have been regarded as a flop.

Oh my.

RODSERLING said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Publicity? You can't take publicity to the bank. Are you serioulsy saying it should have been released in a period when you acknowledge that it would sell less? Bigger number x price of sale = more profit. That's mathematics and you can't argue with that.

I can argue that :

- PR sells 80.000 every year, and as long as the regular edition is selling, that means less copies of the reedition that will be sold. FACT

- That's publicity from some media that made PR reentered the charts during summer. FACT. So yes, you can take publicity to the bank, because it's not thanks to WB. FACT

- Are you seriously saying that PR should have been released in a period when you acknowledge yourself that it's crowded with so much release ?

Fan will always buy the reedition, whenever it comes out. But how can you expect that the general audience will be attracted by an album old of 30 years with all the christmas releases ?

Remember the reedition of the Beatles ? released in early september

remember thriller 25 ? Released in february. If it were released during the Christmas season, the album wouldn't have been in the top 10, and it would have been regarded as a flop.

There is nothing factual about this statement - "as the regular edition is selling, that means less copies of the reedition that will be sold. FACT" You are presuming that is the case, but the opposite may be true. Someone buys PR in its current form, loves it, hears theres a reissue with extra songs and better sound quality, goes and buys the reissue. Anyone owning PR in its current form, and likes it, will surely be interested in buying an upgraded, beefed up version.

Also, your logic is flawed regarding the best time to release something: Sure, an album may chart better in the summer but it doesnt mean it will sell more. I think it would be wiser to release it over the holiday season. Whilst it may not chart so well due to all the other albums being released at that time, it will sell more. What would you rather have? An album that sells 100,000 copies and goes to number 1 or an album that sells 500,000 that goes to number 10?

Still not sure where the mathematics is in all of this, but it is all just wild speculation on all sides.

Rebeljuice said:

RODSERLING said:

I can argue that :

- PR sells 80.000 every year, and as long as the regular edition is selling, that means less copies of the reedition that will be sold. FACT

- That's publicity from some media that made PR reentered the charts during summer. FACT. So yes, you can take publicity to the bank, because it's not thanks to WB. FACT

- Are you seriously saying that PR should have been released in a period when you acknowledge yourself that it's crowded with so much release ?

Fan will always buy the reedition, whenever it comes out. But how can you expect that the general audience will be attracted by an album old of 30 years with all the christmas releases ?

Remember the reedition of the Beatles ? released in early september

remember thriller 25 ? Released in february. If it were released during the Christmas season, the album wouldn't have been in the top 10, and it would have been regarded as a flop.

There is nothing factual about this statement - "as the regular edition is selling, that means less copies of the reedition that will be sold. FACT" You are presuming that is the case, but the opposite may be true. Someone buys PR in its current form, loves it, hears theres a reissue with extra songs and better sound quality, goes and buys the reissue. Anyone owning PR in its current form, and likes it, will surely be interested in buying an upgraded, beefed up version.

Also, your logic is flawed regarding the best time to release something: Sure, an album may chart better in the summer but it doesnt mean it will sell more. I think it would be wiser to release it over the holiday season. Whilst it may not chart so well due to all the other albums being released at that time, it will sell more. What would you rather have? An album that sells 100,000 copies and goes to number 1 or an album that sells 500,000 that goes to number 10?

Still not sure where the mathematics is in all of this, but it is all just wild speculation on all sides.

have you ever bought the same album two times for an an artist you are not fan ? I seriously doubt it.

PR will never sell 500.000 the first week. It will sell basically the same amount the first week in christmas it would have sell the fisrt week in summer, about 180.000 ex. The difference is the readability : when an album is #1, you see it, because media talks about it. When an album is #12 the first week, it will be #23 the next week., etc. That's the idea. An album that is #1 attracts free publicity. An album that is out of the top 40 in three weeks, is not a great comeback from the point of view of the press, media, audience, etc.

The competition will be rude, PR will need huge promotion, at a time where adverts are priced high, that's a bad idea.

Maybe you will understand when you'll see that the three next releases (PE, AOA, PR) are going to flop (outside the first week), that WB made a big mistake.

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RODSERLING said:

Rebeljuice said:

There is nothing factual about this statement - "as the regular edition is selling, that means less copies of the reedition that will be sold. FACT" You are presuming that is the case, but the opposite may be true. Someone buys PR in its current form, loves it, hears theres a reissue with extra songs and better sound quality, goes and buys the reissue. Anyone owning PR in its current form, and likes it, will surely be interested in buying an upgraded, beefed up version.

Also, your logic is flawed regarding the best time to release something: Sure, an album may chart better in the summer but it doesnt mean it will sell more. I think it would be wiser to release it over the holiday season. Whilst it may not chart so well due to all the other albums being released at that time, it will sell more. What would you rather have? An album that sells 100,000 copies and goes to number 1 or an album that sells 500,000 that goes to number 10?

Still not sure where the mathematics is in all of this, but it is all just wild speculation on all sides.

have you ever bought the same album two times for an an artist you are not fan ? I seriously doubt it.

PR will never sell 500.000 the first week. It will sell basically the same amount the first week in christmas it would have sell the fisrt week in summer, about 180.000 ex. The difference is the readability : when an album is #1, you see it, because media talks about it. When an album is #12 the first week, it will be #23 the next week., etc. That's the idea. An album that is #1 attracts free publicity. An album that is out of the top 40 in three weeks, is not a great comeback from the point of view of the press, media, audience, etc.

The competition will be rude, PR will need huge promotion, at a time where adverts are priced high, that's a bad idea.

Maybe you will understand when you'll see that the three next releases (PE, AOA, PR) are going to flop (outside the first week), that WB made a big mistake.

[Edited 9/17/14 1:19am]

You seem to know a lot more than WB, what with your crystal ball and what not. Perhaps you should ask them for a job?

Rebeljuice said:

RODSERLING said:

have you ever bought the same album two times for an an artist you are not fan ? I seriously doubt it.

PR will never sell 500.000 the first week. It will sell basically the same amount the first week in christmas it would have sell the fisrt week in summer, about 180.000 ex. The difference is the readability : when an album is #1, you see it, because media talks about it. When an album is #12 the first week, it will be #23 the next week., etc. That's the idea. An album that is #1 attracts free publicity. An album that is out of the top 40 in three weeks, is not a great comeback from the point of view of the press, media, audience, etc.

The competition will be rude, PR will need huge promotion, at a time where adverts are priced high, that's a bad idea.

Maybe you will understand when you'll see that the three next releases (PE, AOA, PR) are going to flop (outside the first week), that WB made a big mistake.

[Edited 9/17/14 1:19am]

You seem to know a lot more than WB, what with your crystal ball and what not. Perhaps you should ask them for a job?

You seem to know a lot too...Didn't you work on this marketing campaign ? If not, why would you defending such a mess like this ? I get it, now. Why would you deny plain facts ?

If WB knew what they were doing, they would promote AOA et PE. And that's not what they're doing. But first and foremost, their main goal should be to sell the reedition of PR. And still not an official release date scheduled yet.

You must be one of the few that think that PE and AOA will be success (that is to say minimum both gold status in the end of the promotion) and that the PR release will be an event in the christmas season .

You will see fast that's not going to be the case

RODSERLING said:

Rebeljuice said:

You seem to know a lot more than WB, what with your crystal ball and what not. Perhaps you should ask them for a job?

You seem to know a lot too...Didn't you work on this marketing campaign ? If not, why would you defending such a mess like this ? I get it, now. Why would you deny plain facts ?

If WB knew what they were doing, they would promote AOA et PE. And that's not what they're doing. But first and foremost, their main goal should be to sell the reedition of PR. And still not an official release date scheduled yet.

You must be one of the few that think that PE and AOA will be success (that is to say minimum both gold status in the end of the promotion) and that the PR release will be an event in the christmas season .

You will see fast that's not going to be the case

Im not defending anything. Im actually just saying that I think WB know what they are doing. Afterall, they have been in the business for many many decades, it is what they do.

Who knows why they aint marketing the shit out of these 2 albums. Maybe they think they are crap and not worth it? Maybe they think that only the fanbase will buy the album so not worth marketing to the masses? Maybe they do not want to detract from the PR reissue which is what they want to put their resources into?

And the fact that there has been no date set for the PR reissue doesnt mean anything. There is no hard rules about releasing reissues on anniversary years only. They may have decided to push it back to next year because Prince has forced their hands with these 2 new albums.

First and foremost, their main goal is to make money and keep their shareholders happy. That is the most important thing a big corporate like WB has to do. They know what they are doing and they know how best to capitalise on the music they have. Just because it isn't going to plan by yours or my idea of what they should be doing means nothing.

Do I think PE and AOA will be a success? Well, first you need to define success. If sitting at #1 for weeks on end is your definition of success then no, they will not be a success. If selling 180,000 copies in the first week with a $1,800,000 turnover is your definition of success, then yes, they will be a success. If buying the albums personally and liking them is your definition of success, then yes, they will be a success if I like them and no, they wont be a success if I dont.

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Rebeljuice said:

RODSERLING said:

You seem to know a lot too...Didn't you work on this marketing campaign ? If not, why would you defending such a mess like this ? I get it, now. Why would you deny plain facts ?

If WB knew what they were doing, they would promote AOA et PE. And that's not what they're doing. But first and foremost, their main goal should be to sell the reedition of PR. And still not an official release date scheduled yet.

You must be one of the few that think that PE and AOA will be success (that is to say minimum both gold status in the end of the promotion) and that the PR release will be an event in the christmas season .

You will see fast that's not going to be the case

Im not defending anything. Im actually just saying that I think WB know what they are doing. Afterall, they have been in the business for many many decades, it is what they do.

Who knows why they aint marketing the shit out of these 2 albums. Maybe they think they are crap and not worth it? Maybe they think that only the fanbase will buy the album so not worth marketing to the masses? Maybe they do not want to detract from the PR reissue which is what they want to put their resources into?

And the fact that there has been no date set for the PR reissue doesnt mean anything. There is no hard rules about releasing reissues on anniversary years only. They may have decided to push it back to next year because Prince has forced their hands with these 2 new albums.

First and foremost, their main goal is to make money and keep their shareholders happy. That is the most important thing a big corporate like WB has to do. They know what they are doing and they know how best to capitalise on the music they have. Just because it isn't going to plan by yours or my idea of what they should be doing means nothing.

Do I think PE and AOA will be a success? Well, first you need to define success. If sitting at #1 for weeks on end is your definition of success then no, they will not be a success. If selling 180,000 copies in the first week with a $1,800,000 turnover is your definition of success, then yes, they will be a success. If buying the albums personally and liking them is your definition of success, then yes, they will be a success if I like them and no, they wont be a success if I dont.

[Edited 9/17/14 2:46am]

I told you success means the gold status, minimum.

Letting the two albums fail on charts would make sense, only if PR were already released. The double release makes only sense if WB want this albums to fail on charts. That is no doubt the case, to me : it's obvious they can't believe in that material.

But in this case, Prince will be angry at WB, and reluctant to work with, for the future reeditions.

To make an album fail is never a good strategy, especially if you want to sell an album (PR deluxe) of the same artist two months after.

Their main goal is to make money, so it should be to release what everybody waits and want for years, not 2 albums that nobody cares.

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In these times of instant gratification and can't wait, won't wait atitudes, is there any point marketing to the masses more than a week in advance? I expect there will be plenty of stuff on or around the release date when people can actually buy the album.

The hardcore fan base has most likely already pre-prdered, so there's no point hyping them up and everyone else won't care if they can't have it now anyway.

TheEnglishGent said:

In these times of instant gratification and can't wait, won't wait atitudes, is there any point marketing to the masses more than a week in advance? I expect there will be plenty of stuff on or around the release date when people can actually buy the album.

The hardcore fan base has most likely already pre-prdered, so there's no point hyping them up and everyone else won't care if they can't have it now anyway.

The point is for an album to succeed, the single must be at his peak when released. It can't be at its peak if it's released in the same time than the album. Youtube views are counting on single charts nowadays, they can't have a hit if the video is not hugely played.

remember the fiasco of RAVE, the video was released two months after the single released, it was an all time flop. And it was released by ARISTA, a big major. they make mistakes too, sometimes. That's not something that has to do with having a crystal ball. When you release an album, you must have a hit, that's the number one rule.

RODSERLING said:

When you release an album, you must have a hit, that's the number one rule.

Rebeljuice said:

RODSERLING said:

When you release an album, you must have a hit, that's the number one rule.

Please, if all you can do is quote a smiley because you have no arguments, abstain yourself.

I can do that too :

You started to say that WB knew what they were doing (if they want the albums to fail on charts, yes, they know what they are doing) and now you laugh because you didn't know an album needed a hit to succeed on charts.

D-10 before release, no single, no airplay, no video, no tv performance, no word from Prince, no interview, nothing at all. Even for Chaos and disorder there was much more promo. dINNER WITH DELORES was performed 2 times on tv, zanalee one time, there was 3 music videos, and the single charted on the top 40 in the UK.

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RODSERLING said:

Rebeljuice said:

Please, if all you can do is quote a smiley because you have no arguments, abstain yourself.

I can do that too :

You started to say that WB knew what they were doing (if they want the albums to fail on charts, yes, they know what they are doing) and now you laugh because you didn't know an album needed a hit to succeed on charts.

D-10 before release, no single, no airplay, no video, no tv performance, no word from Prince, no interview, nothing at all. Even for Chaos and disorder there was much more promo. dINNER WITH DELORES was performed 2 times on tv, zanalee one time, there was 3 music videos, and the single charted on the top 40 in the UK.

[Edited 9/17/14 6:47am]

Rodserling,

You seem to have no idea about marketing and promotion...

first this thread is a about album Promo and PR SPOTTING, not about reporting and whining that there seems to be not promo enough in your opinion...

Most of the real fan base knows about the new albums from press reports and internet marketing and reports...facebook groups, twitter, instagram..things that did not exist in the early 90ies...

There will be more promotion in the next weeks and many press reports...

A hit or radio single is nice to sell the album, but artists like Prince, David Bowie etc do not really need a hit single to sell the album...

And to say warner does not know what they do or does not want to sell the albums is just ridiculous...

TheEnglishGent said:

In these times of instant gratification and can't wait, won't wait atitudes, is there any point marketing to the masses more than a week in advance? I expect there will be plenty of stuff on or around the release date when people can actually buy the album.

The hardcore fan base has most likely already pre-prdered, so there's no point hyping them up and everyone else won't care if they can't have it now anyway.

Exactly!

linus4000 said:

RODSERLING said:

Please, if all you can do is quote a smiley because you have no arguments, abstain yourself.

I can do that too :

You started to say that WB knew what they were doing (if they want the albums to fail on charts, yes, they know what they are doing) and now you laugh because you didn't know an album needed a hit to succeed on charts.

D-10 before release, no single, no airplay, no video, no tv performance, no word from Prince, no interview, nothing at all. Even for Chaos and disorder there was much more promo. dINNER WITH DELORES was performed 2 times on tv, zanalee one time, there was 3 music videos, and the single charted on the top 40 in the UK.

[Edited 9/17/14 6:47am]

Rodserling,

You seem to have no idea about marketing and promotion...

first this thread is a about album Promo and PR SPOTTING, not about reporting and whining that there seems to be not promo enough in your opinion...

Most of the real fan base knows about the new albums from press reports and internet marketing and reports...facebook groups, twitter, instagram..things that did not exist in the early 90ies...

There will be more promotion in the next weeks and many press reports...

A hit or radio single is nice to sell the album, but artists like Prince, David Bowie etc do not really need a hit single to sell the album...

And to say warner does not know what they do or does not want to sell the albums is just ridiculous...

LINUS 2400,

you seem to have no idea about marketing and production too.

First when you want to sell one album, you don't release two albums the same time, unless he's a mega star of thiese last years with many hits.

The real fanbase is not only what WB wants to reach. It's the general audience that make an album sell.

You say there will be more promotion in the weeks to come...but hell, the albums are released in 10 days ! Is it some kind of a joke ? 8 weeks after AOA and PE, the PR deluxe will be released. There will be no time and money fopr promoting these albums.

Since when Prince or Bowie doesn't need a hit to sell an album ? That's incredible. Let's take the example of THE NEXT DAY.

The first single, released two months before the album, with a music video praised by critics, WHERE ARE WE NOW was a top 10 hit in UK, and France. In Europe it was #2. It is a hit, the single's got some attention.

The album was followed by seven more music video. That is called promotion. You can't tell the album sold only by the Bowie's name.

MUSICOLOGY, 3121 both were containing single that made the Billboard hot 100, the music videos were played on MTV, and before the release of the album.

linus4000 said:

TheEnglishGent said:

In these times of instant gratification and can't wait, won't wait atitudes, is there any point marketing to the masses more than a week in advance? I expect there will be plenty of stuff on or around the release date when people can actually buy the album.

The hardcore fan base has most likely already pre-prdered, so there's no point hyping them up and everyone else won't care if they can't have it now anyway.

Exactly!

You who know so much about marketing lol, how come you don't know that an album is STILL promoted weeks before the release ? Doesn't that bug you a little ?

Except for event-instant release such as Beyonce, can you quote me one album from a major artist that didn't receive any promotion until the D DAY release ? I'd like to know that, because you seem to know so much on the topic.

[Edited 9/17/14 7:46am]

RODSERLING said:

linus4000 said:

Rodserling,

You seem to have no idea about marketing and promotion...

first this thread is a about album Promo and PR SPOTTING, not about reporting and whining that there seems to be not promo enough in your opinion...

Most of the real fan base knows about the new albums from press reports and internet marketing and reports...facebook groups, twitter, instagram..things that did not exist in the early 90ies...

There will be more promotion in the next weeks and many press reports...

A hit or radio single is nice to sell the album, but artists like Prince, David Bowie etc do not really need a hit single to sell the album...

And to say warner does not know what they do or does not want to sell the albums is just ridiculous...

LINUS 2400,

you seem to have no idea about marketing and production too.

First when you want to sell one album, you don't release two albums the same time, unless he's a mega star of thiese last years with many hits.

The real fanbase is not only what WB wants to reach. It's the general audience that make an album sell.

You say there will be more promotion in the weeks to come...but hell, the albums are released in 10 days ! Is it some kind of a joke ? 8 weeks after AOA and PE, the PR deluxe will be released. There will be no time and money fopr promoting these albums.

Since when Prince or Bowie doesn't need a hit to sell an album ? That's incredible. Let's take the example of THE NEXT DAY.

The first single, released two months before the album, with a music video praised by critics, WHERE ARE WE NOW was a top 10 hit in UK, and France. In Europe it was #2. It is a hit, the single's got some attention.

The album was followed by seven more music video. That is called promotion. You can't tell the album sold only by the Bowie's name.

MUSICOLOGY, 3121 both were containing single that made the Billboard hot 100, the music videos were played on MTV, and before the release of the album.

Just relax, we will find out soon

linus4000 said:

RODSERLING said:

LINUS 2400,

you seem to have no idea about marketing and production too.

First when you want to sell one album, you don't release two albums the same time, unless he's a mega star of thiese last years with many hits.

The real fanbase is not only what WB wants to reach. It's the general audience that make an album sell.

You say there will be more promotion in the weeks to come...but hell, the albums are released in 10 days ! Is it some kind of a joke ? 8 weeks after AOA and PE, the PR deluxe will be released. There will be no time and money fopr promoting these albums.

Since when Prince or Bowie doesn't need a hit to sell an album ? That's incredible. Let's take the example of THE NEXT DAY.

The first single, released two months before the album, with a music video praised by critics, WHERE ARE WE NOW was a top 10 hit in UK, and France. In Europe it was #2. It is a hit, the single's got some attention.

The album was followed by seven more music video. That is called promotion. You can't tell the album sold only by the Bowie's name.

MUSICOLOGY, 3121 both were containing single that made the Billboard hot 100, the music videos were played on MTV, and before the release of the album.

Just relax, we will find out soon

Yes, like I said the release in only ten days (for some market). Relax yourself too, the way you began your post was pretty agressive and condescending, so I used the same tone.

Many majors made huge marketing mistakes with many previous releases (remember prince in the 90's or Sly in the 70's, or GUNS AND ROSES in the 00's).

[Edited 9/17/14 8:26am]