Genesia said:

databank said:

Nooooooo waaaaaaaaay! One's not a grown up before they're 30, 35 even!

Y'know what's really disgusting? The infantilizing of people who should (and used to) be considered adults. People a good 10 years younger than you just cited. My parents owned a home and had four children by the ages of 30 (my mom) and 35 (my dad).

Yeah well that was another age, babies making babies and stuff. Not so long ago, and still today in some parts of the world, people worked and had and children at the age of 14, IDK though whether by today's standards one can be considered a grown-up at 14? It's all relative. We get to live older, IDK why we should still be grown-ups at 25. I certainly wouldn't date a 25 years old girl now that I'm 37 for example, I'd feel like a child abuser.

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Anyway my point was that (particularly in the age of vinyl), how much music could a 25 y.o. one have been exposed to? Between 1987 and 2004 I bought, cassette + CD, maybe about 700 albums. Between 2004 and 2014, thanks to the internet, I downloaded more than 3000 additionnal albums. Not counting all the music one gets exposed to thru other people, radio, TV and online streams, when I was 25 in 2001 I had therefore been exposed to maybe about 500/600 records, now I've been exposed to about 4000. Even without the internet my guess is that today I'd have owned about 1200 CD's at the rate I was buying them. And anyway even without that my whole perception of the whole world is totally different now that I'm 37 than when I was 25. I remember that back in 2001 my reaction to a new Prince album was much closer to what it was in 1991 than to what it is now. So whether we say "grown up" or not, I still believe that (for most people at least), there are more differences between the emotional reactions of a 35 yo vs a 25 yo than between a 25 yo and a 15 yo. My life was much more different between 15 and 25 than between 25 and now, but my internal perceptions weren't.

databank said:

Genesia said:

Y'know what's really disgusting? The infantilizing of people who should (and used to) be considered adults. People a good 10 years younger than you just cited. My parents owned a home and had four children by the ages of 30 (my mom) and 35 (my dad).

Yeah well that was another age, babies making babies and stuff. Not so long ago, and still today in some parts of the world, people worked and had and children at the age of 14, IDK though whether by today's standards one can be considered a grown-up at 14? It's all relative. We get to live older, IDK why we should still be grown-ups at 25. I certainly wouldn't date a 25 years old girl now that I'm 37 for example, I'd feel like a child abuser.

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Anyway my point was that (particularly in the age of vinyl), how much music could a 25 y.o. one have been exposed to? Between 1987 and 2004 I bought, cassette + CD, maybe about 700 albums. Between 2004 and 2014, thanks to the internet, I downloaded more than 3000 additionnal albums. Not counting all the music one gets exposed to thru other people, radio, TV and online streams, when I was 25 in 2001 I had therefore been exposed to maybe about 500/600 records, now I've been exposed to about 4000. Even without the internet my guess is that today I'd have owned about 1200 CD's at the rate I was buying them. And anyway even without that my whole perception of the whole world is totally different now that I'm 37 than when I was 25. I remember that back in 2001 my reaction to a new Prince album was much closer to what it was in 1991 than to what it is now. So whether we say "grown up" or not, I still believe that (for most people at least), there are more differences between the emotional reactions of a 35 yo vs a 25 yo than between a 25 yo and a 15 yo. My life was much more different between 15 and 25 than between 25 and now, but my internal perceptions weren't.

I started typing a response to this, then realized it was completely off topic. The short answer: Anyone who plans to have children needs to be a grown-up at 25, because human fertility starts dropping off at about that point.

If you don't want kids, I guess it doesn't matter. Remain a big baby for your whole life.

Genesia said:

databank said:

Yeah well that was another age, babies making babies and stuff. Not so long ago, and still today in some parts of the world, people worked and had and children at the age of 14, IDK though whether by today's standards one can be considered a grown-up at 14? It's all relative. We get to live older, IDK why we should still be grown-ups at 25. I certainly wouldn't date a 25 years old girl now that I'm 37 for example, I'd feel like a child abuser.

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Anyway my point was that (particularly in the age of vinyl), how much music could a 25 y.o. one have been exposed to? Between 1987 and 2004 I bought, cassette + CD, maybe about 700 albums. Between 2004 and 2014, thanks to the internet, I downloaded more than 3000 additionnal albums. Not counting all the music one gets exposed to thru other people, radio, TV and online streams, when I was 25 in 2001 I had therefore been exposed to maybe about 500/600 records, now I've been exposed to about 4000. Even without the internet my guess is that today I'd have owned about 1200 CD's at the rate I was buying them. And anyway even without that my whole perception of the whole world is totally different now that I'm 37 than when I was 25. I remember that back in 2001 my reaction to a new Prince album was much closer to what it was in 1991 than to what it is now. So whether we say "grown up" or not, I still believe that (for most people at least), there are more differences between the emotional reactions of a 35 yo vs a 25 yo than between a 25 yo and a 15 yo. My life was much more different between 15 and 25 than between 25 and now, but my internal perceptions weren't.

I started typing a response to this, then realized it was completely off topic. The short answer: Anyone who plans to have children needs to be a grown-up at 25, because human fertility starts dropping off at about that point.

If you don't want kids, I guess it doesn't matter. Remain a big baby for your whole life.

Well I think fertility or not it's a bit young, I'd say 30+ is better but hell, it depends on people and what do I know...

There's a margin between remaining a young hipster and a big baby, too ^^