Im sorry but does the horns suck on this song or what?

Its like Prince is trying to find space to sing.

Horns overload and totally kill the essence of that song.

Live versions suck also because of non stop horns fiesta

kenkamken said:

I think it's fantastic, improvement over earlier released version Would love to hear clear version of the original outtake though Which album was the original intended for?

Either the first Vanity album or maybe even the second one. That makes the overly violent lyrics just a tiny bit easier to take, as "torture" and rape when it's a woman aggressor is sometimes a play on words, and not really meaning rape. But since only Prince's vocal version exists as a leak...it's not so easy to defend the lyrics.

stillwaiting said:

kenkamken said:

I think it's fantastic, improvement over earlier released version Would love to hear clear version of the original outtake though Which album was the original intended for?

Either the first Vanity album or maybe even the second one. That makes the overly violent lyrics just a tiny bit easier to take, as "torture" and rape when it's a woman aggressor is sometimes a play on words, and not really meaning rape. But since only Prince's vocal version exists as a leak...it's not so easy to defend the lyrics.

why not,you can sing about killing without having killing intention yourself,its a fiction.

thebanishedone said:

stillwaiting said:

Either the first Vanity album or maybe even the second one. That makes the overly violent lyrics just a tiny bit easier to take, as "torture" and rape when it's a woman aggressor is sometimes a play on words, and not really meaning rape. But since only Prince's vocal version exists as a leak...it's not so easy to defend the lyrics.

why not,you can sing about killing without having killing intention yourself,its a fiction.

The problem is that it's a song by an artist who wrote many personal, sexual songs, and it's not an OBVIOUS fictional story like Bob George where OBVIOUSLY plays another character than himself, so it'd be easy to interpret it as a personal statement. Sang by Vanity 6 it would suddenly have become a feminist statement of sorts and the message woulda been totally different. I think it could be released now as a vault track, even with on vocals, as long as liner notes specify that it was intended for female vocals and that it is by no way endorsing rape. I'm not for politically correct things but rape is still waaaay too often minimized by males today, so better take precautions, that and the shitstorm feminists would put on .

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Regarding the OP's post, I'm fine with the horns version but I prefer the 2011 version over any other, I like the synth approach and Andy's contribution. The instrumental "remix" also works great played back to back with it, as an extended portion. Overall I prefer the 2011 version to the 1982 version, by far.

stillwaiting said:

kenkamken said:

I think it's fantastic, improvement over earlier released version Would love to hear clear version of the original outtake though Which album was the original intended for?

Either the first Vanity album or maybe even the second one. That makes the overly violent lyrics just a tiny bit easier to take, as "torture" and rape when it's a woman aggressor is sometimes a play on words, and not really meaning rape. But since only Prince's vocal version exists as a leak...it's not so easy to defend the lyrics.

How so? Rape is rape, regardless of which gender the rapist is.

databank said:

thebanishedone said:

why not,you can sing about killing without having killing intention yourself,its a fiction.

The problem is that it's a song by an artist who wrote many personal, sexual songs, and it's not an OBVIOUS fictional story like Bob George where OBVIOUSLY plays another character than himself, so it'd be easy to interpret it as a personal statement. Sang by Vanity 6 it would suddenly have become a feminist statement of sorts and the message woulda been totally different. I think it could be released now as a vault track, even with on vocals, as long as liner notes specify that it was intended for female vocals and that it is by no way endorsing rape. I'm not for politically correct things but rape is still waaaay too often minimized by males today, so better take precautions, that and the shitstorm feminists would put on .

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Regarding the OP's post, I'm fine with the horns version but I prefer the 2011 version over any other, I like the synth approach and Andy's contribution. The instrumental "remix" also works great played back to back with it, as an extended portion. Overall I prefer the 2011 version to the 1982 version, by far.

You make a good point but I highly doubt every Prince song out there is written about his personal experiences. Some truly are just fiction, and that's the beauty of Prince songwriting... that he covers dozens of topics, whether they are relevant to him or not

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As for the bolded part, I still don't get how a female raping a male is somehow less scandalous and not a big deal? Why would the rapist's gender in the liner notes make it better? Of course, just asking

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I agree with your second statement, however. Rape is too minimized, it is joked about by boys they don't seem to understand just how terrible it is

CharismaDove said:

databank said:

The problem is that it's a song by an artist who wrote many personal, sexual songs, and it's not an OBVIOUS fictional story like Bob George where OBVIOUSLY plays another character than himself, so it'd be easy to interpret it as a personal statement. Sang by Vanity 6 it would suddenly have become a feminist statement of sorts and the message woulda been totally different. I think it could be released now as a vault track, even with on vocals, as long as liner notes specify that it was intended for female vocals and that it is by no way endorsing rape. I'm not for politically correct things but rape is still waaaay too often minimized by males today, so better take precautions, that and the shitstorm feminists would put on .

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Regarding the OP's post, I'm fine with the horns version but I prefer the 2011 version over any other, I like the synth approach and Andy's contribution. The instrumental "remix" also works great played back to back with it, as an extended portion. Overall I prefer the 2011 version to the 1982 version, by far.

You make a good point but I highly doubt every Prince song out there is written about his personal experiences. Some truly are just fiction, and that's the beauty of Prince songwriting... that he covers dozens of topics, whether they are relevant to him or not

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As for the bolded part, I still don't get how a female raping a male is somehow less scandalous and not a big deal? Why would the rapist's gender in the liner notes make it better? Of course, just asking

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I agree with your second statement, however. Rape is too minimized, it is joked about by boys they don't seem to understand just how terrible it is

Well, while not unheard of (there have been a few stories), female rape over a male (save child abuse which doesn't necessarly imply penetration nor violence) is nearly impossible, for a man needs to have an erection to perform it and it's a bit difficult I guess to have an erection at the point of a knife or after being hit and violented. So taking this into account, the line sang by a woman becomes more of a joke than a practical call for male rape I guess.

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I'm not saying every song is about a personal experience but in most cases the "I" in his songs nonetheless represent him as a lead character, or at least can be considered to. Even fiction writers are often accused of endorsing their characters' point of views while it's not necessarly the case, but songs take this to a whole different level for it's often difficult to differenciate the author from their character (unless properly specified in the lyrics themselves).

it's a no brainer really, funky assed horns or a stupid bug a boo sesame street rap from Andy Allo

databank said:

databank said:

CharismaDove said:

You make a good point but I highly doubt every Prince song out there is written about his personal experiences. Some truly are just fiction, and that's the beauty of Prince songwriting... that he covers dozens of topics, whether they are relevant to him or not

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As for the bolded part, I still don't get how a female raping a male is somehow less scandalous and not a big deal? Why would the rapist's gender in the liner notes make it better? Of course, just asking

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I agree with your second statement, however. Rape is too minimized, it is joked about by boys they don't seem to understand just how terrible it is

Well, while not unheard of (there have been a few stories), female rape over a male (save child abuse which doesn't necessarly imply penetration nor violence) is nearly impossible, for a man needs to have an erection to perform it and it's a bit difficult I guess to have an erection at the point of a knife or after being hit and violented. So taking this into account, the line sang by a woman becomes more of a joke than a practical call for male rape I guess.

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I'm not saying every song is about a personal experience but in most cases the "I" in his songs nonetheless represent him as a lead character, or at least can be considered to. Even fiction writers are often accused of endorsing their characters' point of views while it's not necessarly the case, but songs take this to a whole different level for it's often difficult to differenciate the author from their character (unless properly specified in the lyrics themselves).

sorry but would you say a woman whose boss threatened to fire her or have sex was not raped? how bout if a man was in the same situation? threatened in some way. and how about when all the late shows joke about little boys being raped by their teachers and how lucky they are? that would not fly if it was a woman. boys and men can be raped. rape is not just by knife point .. it is coersion .. manipulation .. or even taking advatage of very immature naivitee and youth. as someone with first hand experiecne, it is really gross how women can get away with violence and rape and somehow they are untoucheable and make up garbage like "its impossible for a woman to rape a man" .. just sayin .. women are violent .. women rape ..

^^ OK I'm gonna make it straight with y'all. I'm a man. I've been sexually abused by my mother. It happened twice when I was 12 then 14. She wanted me to fuck her, I wouldn't, I didn't, but she touched me in many inappropriate ways, kissed me and shit, and both times when she realized I would reject her no matter what she'd do or say, she beat the shit out of me for the rest of the night (this was what she was usually doing, I guess she was really drunk 2 death those 2 times the sex thing happened). It was a hell of a trauma for me, I mean besides the violence (both physical and psychological) she usually made me go through, those 2 isolated sexual abuse events were a very specific, separate trauma in itself, which certainly impacted me for years. My point is while this woman has the physical strenght and enough influence over me to be able to beat the shit out of me for entire nights, she couldn't get me to fuck her, I wouldn't and she couldn't, and believe me there was HELL to pay those 2 nights for rejecting her. So as I said, with children/teenagers, it's another matter entirely, abuse DOES exist. But had it been the other way around (me being a girl and with my dad), I doubt my dad would have tried to "convince" me, he'd just have "taken" me and sexual abuse would have become pure and simple rape (if we're to make a difference between those 2 terms).

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When it comes to adults I'm sorry, I may be ignorant but while I've read and been told first hand dozens of stories of a grown up woman being abused by a man, I've only read one single story about a man being raped by women (at the point of a knife, as a matter of fact, and somehow he managed to get a boner) and I don't know a single story first hand. So well, every0 possible fucked-up thing happens in this world but while man to woman rape is nothing but a highly common thing, almost a routine, my guess is that women towards man rape is an extremely rare and exceptional event. I may be wrong and if I am I apologize to the victims, but then again I've hardly ever heard of such a thing when I know so many cases of women being raped, many of them being friends or people I've met. If women to men rape is as common as the opposite, or at least common in an absolute, then I think whoever knows about it needs to publicize it for it's a largely ignored phenomenon.

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So in that sense (common abuse vs. rare, weird case of abuse) I personally would be amused by a woman singing "I'm sorry but I think I'm gonna have to rape u" because I'd assume it's a rethorical statement, while I find a man singing the same thing more likely to be the potential expression of a true intention. It's a bit the same as if a rapper would sing "I'm gonna shoot u in the head" or "I'm gonna take a chainsaw, cut u into pîeces, eat your eyes and make myself a neckless with your intestines". In the first case I'd be tempted to say the rapper means it, in the second case I'd take it more as a rethorical idea.

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So I apologize if I offended anyone, I hope what I meant is clearer now.

[Edited 8/25/14 5:19am]

thebanishedone said:

Im sorry but does the horns suck on this song or what?

Its like Prince is trying to find space to sing.

Horns overload and totally kill the essence of that song.

Live versions suck also because of non stop horns fiesta

Nonsense -- the horns are wonderful.

databank said:

^^ OK I'm gonna make it straight with y'all. I'm a man. I've been sexually abused by my mother. It happened twice when I was 12 then 14. She wanted me to fuck her, I wouldn't, I didn't, but she touched me in many inappropriate ways, kissed me and shit, and both times when she realized I would reject her no matter what she'd do or say, she beat the shit out of me for the rest of the night (this was what she was usually doing, I guess she was really drunk 2 death those 2 times the sex thing happened). It was a hell of a trauma for me, I mean besides the violence (both physical and psychological) she usually made me go through, those 2 isolated sexual abuse events were a very specific, separate trauma in itself, which certainly impacted me for years. My point is while this woman has the physical strenght and enough influence over me to be able to beat the shit out of me for entire nights, she couldn't get me to fuck her, I wouldn't and she couldn't, and believe me there was HELL to pay those 2 nights for rejecting her. So as I said, with children/teenagers, it's another matter entirely, abuse DOES exist. But had it been the other way around (me being a girl and with my dad), I doubt my dad would have tried to "convince" me, he'd just have "taken" me and sexual abuse would have become pure and simple rape (if we're to make a difference between those 2 terms).

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When it comes to adults I'm sorry, I may be ignorant but while I've read and been told first hand dozens of stories of a grown up woman being abused by a man, I've only read one single story about a man being raped by women (at the point of a knife, as a matter of fact, and somehow he managed to get a boner) and I don't know a single story first hand. So well, every0 possible fucked-up thing happens in this world but while man to woman rape is nothing but a highly common thing, almost a routine, my guess is that women towards man rape is an extremely rare and exceptional event. I may be wrong and if I am I apologize to the victims, but then again I've hardly ever heard of such a thing when I know so many cases of women being raped, many of them being friends or people I've met. If women to men rape is as common as the opposite, or at least common in an absolute, then I think whoever knows about it needs to publicize it for it's a largely ignored phenomenon.

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So in that sense (common abuse vs. rare, weird case of abuse) I personally would be amused by a woman singing "I'm sorry but I think I'm gonna have to rape u" because I'd assume it's a rethorical statement, while I find a man singing the same thing more likely to be the potential expression of a true intention. It's a bit the same as if a rapper would sing "I'm gonna shoot u in the head" or "I'm gonna take a chainsaw, cut u into pîeces, eat your eyes and make myself a neckless with your intestines". In the first case I'd be tempted to say the rapper means it, in the second case I'd take it more as a rethorical idea.

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So I apologize if I offended anyone, I hope what I meant is clearer now.

[Edited 8/25/14 5:19am]

I am sorry to learn this happened to you. What an horrible thing for a woman to do to her child, basically your childhood was murdered right there and then if it wasn't already dead.

In the mythical male sensibility, boys are supposed to crave sex and if an adult woman seduces them, they are supposed to think they are very lucky but in reality it's very damaging especially if they are not close to being adults (16, 17).

Aerogram said:

databank said:

^^ OK I'm gonna make it straight with y'all. I'm a man. I've been sexually abused by my mother. It happened twice when I was 12 then 14. She wanted me to fuck her, I wouldn't, I didn't, but she touched me in many inappropriate ways, kissed me and shit, and both times when she realized I would reject her no matter what she'd do or say, she beat the shit out of me for the rest of the night (this was what she was usually doing, I guess she was really drunk 2 death those 2 times the sex thing happened). It was a hell of a trauma for me, I mean besides the violence (both physical and psychological) she usually made me go through, those 2 isolated sexual abuse events were a very specific, separate trauma in itself, which certainly impacted me for years. My point is while this woman has the physical strenght and enough influence over me to be able to beat the shit out of me for entire nights, she couldn't get me to fuck her, I wouldn't and she couldn't, and believe me there was HELL to pay those 2 nights for rejecting her. So as I said, with children/teenagers, it's another matter entirely, abuse DOES exist. But had it been the other way around (me being a girl and with my dad), I doubt my dad would have tried to "convince" me, he'd just have "taken" me and sexual abuse would have become pure and simple rape (if we're to make a difference between those 2 terms).

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When it comes to adults I'm sorry, I may be ignorant but while I've read and been told first hand dozens of stories of a grown up woman being abused by a man, I've only read one single story about a man being raped by women (at the point of a knife, as a matter of fact, and somehow he managed to get a boner) and I don't know a single story first hand. So well, every0 possible fucked-up thing happens in this world but while man to woman rape is nothing but a highly common thing, almost a routine, my guess is that women towards man rape is an extremely rare and exceptional event. I may be wrong and if I am I apologize to the victims, but then again I've hardly ever heard of such a thing when I know so many cases of women being raped, many of them being friends or people I've met. If women to men rape is as common as the opposite, or at least common in an absolute, then I think whoever knows about it needs to publicize it for it's a largely ignored phenomenon.

.

So in that sense (common abuse vs. rare, weird case of abuse) I personally would be amused by a woman singing "I'm sorry but I think I'm gonna have to rape u" because I'd assume it's a rethorical statement, while I find a man singing the same thing more likely to be the potential expression of a true intention. It's a bit the same as if a rapper would sing "I'm gonna shoot u in the head" or "I'm gonna take a chainsaw, cut u into pîeces, eat your eyes and make myself a neckless with your intestines". In the first case I'd be tempted to say the rapper means it, in the second case I'd take it more as a rethorical idea.

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So I apologize if I offended anyone, I hope what I meant is clearer now.

[Edited 8/25/14 5:19am]

I am sorry to learn this happened to you. What an horrible thing for a woman to do to her child, basically your childhood was murdered right there and then if it wasn't already dead.

In the mythical male sensibility, boys are supposed to crave sex and if an adult woman seduces them, they are supposed to think they are very lucky but in reality it's very damaging especially if they are not close to being adults (16, 17).

Thx dear I got over it eventually, this was a LOOOONG time ago (I'm 37). I guess I'd have grown into a really different person without all that shit but in the end I'm happy now and that's what matters

The bitch was a monster 4 sure, my childhood was murdered slowly over the course of 10 years (from 6 when she started to lose it until 15 when I finally got away from her, at this time I was particularly moved by the lyrics of Madonna's Oh Father because it was word for word how I felt... "you can't hurt me now"). She died in 2001 from cancer (in hospital room 319, believe it or not!) and I can't say I miss her.

I'd say a teen past 15 may be seduced and have a good time with an older woman, I mean so many of my high school girlfriends were dating guys from the university or even older sometimes, so once sexual maturity has been reached why not (I remember many of this guys were assholes abusing easy to impress younger girls because they were totally unnatractive for women their age, though), but yeah before that age it's just child abuse, no matter the sex, and the damage is considerable One day, when I got older, I realized that I could have had my mom sent to jail for what she did. Actually the thought was somewhat recomforting for it allowed me to acknowledge the fact that I was eally, even legally, a "victim" (recognition of the status of victim by the victim themself, the people around them and society as a whole is an extremely important step in recovering from abuse/rape/violence). Of course in my case the fact that it was my damn mother made it really sick, I guess from another, non-related woman, the experience would have been less of a trauma. I wonder how frequent sexual abuse happens from grown women on male kids, I guess it's more frequent than we'd think but I have to admit I've never met anyone else who's been through that.

the reality is that most men can get hard no matter what is going on unless they are old, and most women are not raped at knife point but rather as date rape or intoxication or other forms of pressure all of which happen to men too .. the fact is most men feel like they will be shamed to bring up being raped by a woman .. as I said .. our culture acts like "no man could possibly not want it" .. many women use sexuallity to control men and often use violence as well by using the excuse that it is ok for a woman to hit a man, which it is not. many older women go after younger men fresh out of high school .. when men do it, it is considered creepy and gross, when women do it they are praised as "cougars" but it is still creepy and gross for a 40 year old woman to manipulate a 20 year old man still in college and pretend they actually have something in common. while I am certain women get raped more, especially all over the world, in america it is becoming very common and accepted for a woman to rape a man and the myths that undermine a mans credibility to report such an act run rampant and would be considered extremely abusive if the gender roles were swapped

databank said:

Aerogram said:

I am sorry to learn this happened to you. What an horrible thing for a woman to do to her child, basically your childhood was murdered right there and then if it wasn't already dead.

In the mythical male sensibility, boys are supposed to crave sex and if an adult woman seduces them, they are supposed to think they are very lucky but in reality it's very damaging especially if they are not close to being adults (16, 17).

Thx dear I got over it eventually, this was a LOOOONG time ago (I'm 37). I guess I'd have grown into a really different person without all that shit but in the end I'm happy now and that's what matters

The bitch was a monster 4 sure, my childhood was murdered slowly over the course of 10 years (from 6 when she started to lose it until 15 when I finally got away from her, at this time I was particularly moved by the lyrics of Madonna's Oh Father because it was word for word how I felt... "you can't hurt me now"). She died in 2001 from cancer (in hospital room 319, believe it or not!) and I can't say I miss her.

I'd say a teen past 15 may be seduced and have a good time with an older woman, I mean so many of my high school girlfriends were dating guys from the university or even older sometimes, so once sexual maturity has been reached why not (I remember many of this guys were assholes abusing easy to impress younger girls because they were totally unnatractive for women their age, though), but yeah before that age it's just child abuse, no matter the sex, and the damage is considerable One day, when I got older, I realized that I could have had my mom sent to jail for what she did. Actually the thought was somewhat recomforting for it allowed me to acknowledge the fact that I was eally, even legally, a "victim" (recognition of the status of victim by the victim themself, the people around them and society as a whole is an extremely important step in recovering from abuse/rape/violence). Of course in my case the fact that it was my damn mother made it really sick, I guess from another, non-related woman, the experience would have been less of a trauma. I wonder how frequent sexual abuse happens from grown women on male kids, I guess it's more frequent than we'd think but I have to admit I've never met anyone else who's been through that.

No wonder because mother-son incest is fairly rare. When it's represented in art, it's generally the son that is sick and wants sex from his mother as a matter of dominance more than lust (for instance, in Luscino Visconti's The Damned), though there's a couple of movies where it's the mother that wants the son (Bernardo Bertolucci's La Luna). Both those movies are beautiful and ugly at the same time, I don't think I want to watch the ending of The Damned more than once, it's all sort of yucky and you should probably skip on watching both. Men who are abused or "seduced" as very young teens are at higher risk of mental illness.

Aerogram said:

databank said:

Thx dear I got over it eventually, this was a LOOOONG time ago (I'm 37). I guess I'd have grown into a really different person without all that shit but in the end I'm happy now and that's what matters

The bitch was a monster 4 sure, my childhood was murdered slowly over the course of 10 years (from 6 when she started to lose it until 15 when I finally got away from her, at this time I was particularly moved by the lyrics of Madonna's Oh Father because it was word for word how I felt... "you can't hurt me now"). She died in 2001 from cancer (in hospital room 319, believe it or not!) and I can't say I miss her.

I'd say a teen past 15 may be seduced and have a good time with an older woman, I mean so many of my high school girlfriends were dating guys from the university or even older sometimes, so once sexual maturity has been reached why not (I remember many of this guys were assholes abusing easy to impress younger girls because they were totally unnatractive for women their age, though), but yeah before that age it's just child abuse, no matter the sex, and the damage is considerable One day, when I got older, I realized that I could have had my mom sent to jail for what she did. Actually the thought was somewhat recomforting for it allowed me to acknowledge the fact that I was eally, even legally, a "victim" (recognition of the status of victim by the victim themself, the people around them and society as a whole is an extremely important step in recovering from abuse/rape/violence). Of course in my case the fact that it was my damn mother made it really sick, I guess from another, non-related woman, the experience would have been less of a trauma. I wonder how frequent sexual abuse happens from grown women on male kids, I guess it's more frequent than we'd think but I have to admit I've never met anyone else who's been through that.

No wonder because mother-son incest is fairly rare. When it's represented in art, it's generally the son that is sick and wants sex from his mother as a matter of dominance more than lust (for instance, in Luscino Visconti's The Damned), though there's a couple of movies where it's the mother that wants the son (Bernardo Bertolucci's La Luna). Both those movies are beautiful and ugly at the same time, I don't think I want to watch the ending of The Damned more than once, it's all sort of yucky and you should probably skip on watching both. Men who are abused or "seduced" as very young teens are at higher risk of mental illness.

I've watched The Damned a few weeks back actually I'd seen it once back in 97 and had been really impressed by its darkness and sheer eccentric psychological violence but I've been disappointed a lot last time, I found it quite boring in the end by comparison to my first impression. I don't mind violence in films. Actually somehow I love horror movies and I've often wondered why this fascination for ultraviolence in films (when I'm as peaceful as a lamb in real life) and I've come to the conclusion that it's a sort of catharsis or something like that: having experienced ultraviolence and being disgusted with it in real life (I can't stand snuff movies, they leave shit in my head for weeks), somehow as long as I know that it's fiction I have a ball watching it in films, it's like being able to revisit something that contributing building me with the comforting knowledge that it's "not for real" and somehow usually horror movies tend to relax me

Very interesting that u'd mention La Luna. Actually at least one of the 2 times she "tried", while trying to talk me into doing this horrible thing, my mom mentioned one movie she'd seen where "a son sleeps with his mother and everything is fine afterwards" (it was her way of trying to convince me that this would be unconsequential, go fucking figure ), and knowing she liked Bertolucci I'm quite sure this was the film she was talking about (the topic also not being so common in movies). I'd always wondered what this movie was and I guess I'll have to watch it one day, in some sick way it's "part of my history". Thanks for pointing me in the right direction 20+ years after all that

As for mental consequences... I've had my faire share of depression in the past, as well as some other emotional troubles that I wouldn't go as far as to call mental illness but for example it's impossible for me to live with someone (which can be quite a problem when it comes to relationships), and I've had serious problems with my sexual identity for years (despite being straight I was very uncomfortable with being a man, basically I wanted to be a lesbian, but this has been balanced years ago and now I gladly accept both my masculine and feminine side). I guess it all probably has a lot to do with my childhood but somehow I'd be tempted to say that I ended-up being quite sane considering where I'm coming from. Took some years of therapy, and I still need to maintain a high level of vigilence regarding my moodswings. Depression is a dark place, I don't wanna be there again.

So sorry about that, Databank. That's sick what you had to go through and it's sad that a mother would do that. Really glad you got through it

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@TrevorAyer I agree completely. A man cannot control when he becomes horny. If a woman is assaulting a man sexually and rubbing against him, chances are his penis will get erect. That DOES NOT mean a woman can have sex with him against his will, just because his penis is erect. And that's how woman-to-man rape works, turning on the man and forcibly having sex with him. Similarly, if a man rapes a woman and she moans in pleasure throughout the fucking, that doesn't change the fact it is still rape, and he should be punished severely for the crime.

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Not an attack on any posters, btw. I just wanted to get my opinion out.

TrevorAyer said:

the reality is that most men can get hard no matter what is going on unless they are old, and most women are not raped at knife point but rather as date rape or intoxication or other forms of pressure all of which happen to men too .. the fact is most men feel like they will be shamed to bring up being raped by a woman .. as I said .. our culture acts like "no man could possibly not want it" .. many women use sexuallity to control men and often use violence as well by using the excuse that it is ok for a woman to hit a man, which it is not. many older women go after younger men fresh out of high school .. when men do it, it is considered creepy and gross, when women do it they are praised as "cougars" but it is still creepy and gross for a 40 year old woman to manipulate a 20 year old man still in college and pretend they actually have something in common. while I am certain women get raped more, especially all over the world, in america it is becoming very common and accepted for a woman to rape a man and the myths that undermine a mans credibility to report such an act run rampant and would be considered extremely abusive if the gender roles were swapped

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THIS.

It pisses me off that there's this ideology that all men are horny pigs who just want to fuck all the time and should be happy if a woman is forcibly having sex with him. I was talking to a female friend, and she was saying how men are all evil and how they touch intoxicated girls and take advantage of them, and then claimed if a girl did the same thing to an intoxicated boy, it would be ok because he "should enjoy it." ??

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The violence annoys me as well. I personally would never hit a woman, just being raised that way, but if a woman hits a man he *should* be allowed to hit back. Unfortunately, in today's society, you see in television shows women hitting men and always making men look stupid and bafoon-ish, scared of women, incapable of doing anything right.

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I however agree with the sentiment people have about being extra careful around men with their kids. Women naturally have a more nurturing side so I would see why people prefer their kids with women. Although some go crazy with the 'every man's a pedophile' shit.

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Oddly, I bring some of these double standards up with a few feminists I know in the politest way possible, just inquiring about it and asking for an explanation, and automatically get branded anti-feminist and mysoginist. It's pathetic.

funny you mention kids and men .. my experience with women is that they generallly do not give a shit about their own children much less anybody elses .. i know more men who have to fight for years just to 'visit' with their kids after splitting with a violent lying woman who would abuse her own children and get away with it simply because she is the so called "mother". the reality is quite the opposite from the myth that women are "nurturing". these days they are materialistic and far from domestic and see their own children as a source of income rather than beings to nurture and love and raise .. women are quite aware of their power .. a violent woman will make up lies claiming the man was violent even when he did nothing and just took a literally beating from a woman .. why? because a man is laughed at if he reports an abusive woman .. why does he stay? usually its to be with his children since he knows the woman will destroy his life and family if they split .. what happens after? the woman uses the children to get money out of a man and continue to abuse him .. men are enslaved .. women are free to neglect their children and hit the town being the drunk idiots they truly want to be .. not a mother .. it is RARE that a good man can get custody from a violent woman .. it is RARE that a man will report being raped or abused by a woman .. it is not RARE that these things occur ALL THE TIME