Would love the girls to join in with this!. I mean really, the poor sods at WB must be soooo regretting working / signing with him again...it's how many weeks since the announcement & he's publicly bitching already. Did he complain that execs are always on holiday..errr coming from the man who lives in a masion on a tropical island!!

As for the girls..Jesus how much longer can Hannah wear THAT smile!! These girls are without doubt talented & have had the rides of their life BUT how much more of a delay & P's BS on releasing a CD can they take?. They will have inputted a lot into this music & MUST be as frustrated/baffled as we are.

So who gets your sympathy? Mine is just about with the girls, they seem lovely & must be feeling a sense of frustration....oh to be a fly on the wall!!!!

I definitely don't feel sorry for the executives at Warner Bros. WB is a multi-billionaire company that knew who they were dealing with when they made a new agreement to license Prince's back catalogue for reissued remastered copies of Prince's albums. WB has the wherewithal to dissolve their agreement with Prince if it proves to be too burdensome to deal with Prince's idiosyncrasies. I feel for 3RD EYE GIRL because they invested their time, creativity, blood, sweat and tears into writing and performing the music on PLECTRUM ELECTRUM that may or may not come out. When Tamar's album was shelved it was leaked and a few sealed copies were sold on Ebay and Andy Allo was allowed to keep her masters and put the album on her own. Maybe, Prince will give PLECTRUM ELECTRUM to 3RDEYEGIRL as a group and they can do with the album what the wish.

Why would anyone feel sorry for either P or 3EG or Warners? People, rent yourself a sense of reality!

I feel sorry indeed for the people who have lost loved ones from the senseless downing of the Malaisian Airlines jet.

nonesuch said:

Why would anyone feel sorry for either P or 3EG or Warners? People, rent yourself a sense of reality!

I feel sorry indeed for the people who have lost loved ones from the senseless downing of the Malaisian Airlines jet.

Right on, Prince, WB amd 3eyegirl gon be just fine, their rich and living.

Let's see, Warner Bros execs get to work on the Purple Rain remaster and talk to Prince about it.... nope, don't feel sorry for them.

3rd Eye Girl are Prince's band. Basically the best job in the music biz. Nope, don't feel sorry for them either.

Consider the fact that only us fans are in the dark about the plans. WB and 3EG know exactly what's going on.

Militant said:

Let's see, Warner Bros execs get to work on the Purple Rain remaster and talk to Prince about it.... nope, don't feel sorry for them.

3rd Eye Girl are Prince's band. Basically the best job in the music biz. Nope, don't feel sorry for them either.

Consider the fact that only us fans are in the dark about the plans. WB and 3EG know exactly what's going on.

This exactly. What people don't seem to realize is that those girls are basically session musicians who got the best gig ever, they're not lolitas trying to lauch a solo career that would outlive their collaboration with . PlectrumElectrum always was intended to be a project and they're perfectly aware of this. What they now go through is making good money, working with one of the most famous and talented musician on the planet, getting a lot of experience... + they seem to be good friends, what's wrong with this?

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As for WB execs hell they're extremely well paid employees of a big company, unless this turns out to be such a disaster that they lose their gig, I don't c why I'd feel sorry for them. sure is hard to work with but hell, don't take on a job if u can't handle it

Militant said:

Militant said:

Let's see, Warner Bros execs get to work on the Purple Rain remaster and talk to Prince about it.... nope, don't feel sorry for them.

3rd Eye Girl are Prince's band. Basically the best job in the music biz. Nope, don't feel sorry for them either.

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You can't envision the posibility that Prince isn't the best boss, and getting picked up to be in his band then never see the record come out must make them feel a little foolish, or question their stability in his kingdom? No empathy at all for that? They're young. They will never get out of Prince's shadow, unless it's a fluke Sheryl Crowe situation. Frankly, I felt bad for them reading about those late night listening parties of Prince's new solo record. How many times did they have to listen to that thing at 3am? I'm sure they're tired of Prince making them soup or never knowing if they were going to hear more of their 3rd Eye songs pop up on his record.

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Executives at a major label are about keeping their jobs and being a corporate hero. I'm sure there are fans amongst them, but not to the point that if Prince isn't letting them do their job, they're going to go home at 9pm to their mortgage and college funds, and count their lucky stars they got a two word email from one of Prince's minions that day, relying some riddle.

BobGeorge909 said:

Militant said:

Let's see, Warner Bros execs get to work on the Purple Rain remaster and talk to Prince about it.... nope, don't feel sorry for them.

3rd Eye Girl are Prince's band. Basically the best job in the music biz. Nope, don't feel sorry for them either.

Consider the fact that only us fans are in the dark about the plans. WB and 3EG know exactly what's going on.

Exactly. I also wonder why everyone swears everything has fallen apart. I just think planning and timing and preparation are happening. I'm glad its not happening overnight. Its more likely that care is going into the releases. Its been like 3 to 4 years since an album release so there's room for it if P wants to release 3 albums or some kind of 3 album package or something. I'm confident they'll get released. Its not like he hasn't been slipping music out in the interim. Some of y'all fans r like veruca salt. I want it now! Nope. U'll get it when it's released. Patience my young padwans says the purple Yoda.

If you notice, it's generally the people who don't know much about the music industry that seem to think this.

Those of us - and there's a handful here - who actually work in the music business and know how major labels operate - are chilling. And you're exactly right - the wheels are grinding behind the scenes.

treehouse said:

BobGeorge909 said:

This must be new news. Where's the transcript u got this info from. This is exactly how it goes?

What part? None of it's new. All accounts of how Prince does business show similar patterns. Prince has expressed frustrations with the WB execs already, hasn't he? You don't call out your business partners publicly in a happy marriage. You just don't. So if he's frustrated with them, you can bet they're frustrated with him. You don't need a transcript to connect the dots.

databank said:

Militant said:

Let's see, Warner Bros execs get to work on the Purple Rain remaster and talk to Prince about it.... nope, don't feel sorry for them.

3rd Eye Girl are Prince's band. Basically the best job in the music biz. Nope, don't feel sorry for them either.

Consider the fact that only us fans are in the dark about the plans. WB and 3EG know exactly what's going on.

This exactly. What people don't seem to realize is that those girls are basically session musicians who got the best gig ever, they're not lolitas trying to lauch a solo career that would outlive their collaboration with . PlectrumElectrum always was intended to be a project and they're perfectly aware of this. What they now go through is making good money, working with one of the most famous and talented musician on the planet, getting a lot of experience... + they seem to be good friends, what's wrong with this?

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As for WB execs hell they're extremely well paid employees of a big company, unless this turns out to be such a disaster that they lose their gig, I don't c why I'd feel sorry for them. sure is hard to work with but hell, don't take on a job if u can't handle it

it's super, super insulting to compare them to session musicians. look at the focus prince has been placing on each member of the band during his live shows, calling them out by name and focusing on each band member individually. some of the songs on the 3EG album don't have prince's vocals and a lot of the solos aren't by prince either. they aren't session musicians in any way, look at how prince has established the identity behind 3EG as a band vs his solo material.

scratch said:

it's super, super insulting to compare them to session musicians. look at the focus prince has been placing on each member of the band during his live shows, calling them out by name and focusing on each band member individually. some of the songs on the 3EG album don't have prince's vocals and a lot of the solos aren't by prince either. they aren't session musicians in any way, look at how prince has established the identity behind 3EG as a band vs his solo material.

On the payroll = employee.

The rest is just showbiz.

scratch said:

databank said:

This exactly. What people don't seem to realize is that those girls are basically session musicians who got the best gig ever, they're not lolitas trying to lauch a solo career that would outlive their collaboration with . PlectrumElectrum always was intended to be a project and they're perfectly aware of this. What they now go through is making good money, working with one of the most famous and talented musician on the planet, getting a lot of experience... + they seem to be good friends, what's wrong with this?

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As for WB execs hell they're extremely well paid employees of a big company, unless this turns out to be such a disaster that they lose their gig, I don't c why I'd feel sorry for them. sure is hard to work with but hell, don't take on a job if u can't handle it

it's super, super insulting to compare them to session musicians. look at the focus prince has been placing on each member of the band during his live shows, calling them out by name and focusing on each band member individually. some of the songs on the 3EG album don't have prince's vocals and a lot of the solos aren't by prince either. they aren't session musicians in any way, look at how prince has established the identity behind 3EG as a band vs his solo material.

This is nonsense. Session musicians for one thing shouldn't be ashamed of being just that, they are the blood and life of the music industry and who said just because u're a session musician there's a law forbidding the lead act to call you by your name on stage. You are actually insulting the vast majority of professional musicians by saying they should be ashamed of being what they are. The girls are work for hire, hired by a lead act. Even their "solo" career as 3EG (if such a thing ever materialize) is a pet-project just the same way the people in The Time, The Family or Madhouse were session musicians. Even solo acts such as Jill or Carmen had little say about the way their own career was handled, Carmen recently admitted in an interview that she didn't even choose the tracklist on her own albums and had no idea why favored some songs over others for chrissakes!

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As Militant points out many people here have no idea of what life as a professional musician is. They think there are only stars and failures, that the only way to be satisfied with a career as a musician is to be a solo act that sells millions of albums. This is not the reality of the music business. 99% of the people on this Earth who make a living as professional musicians are totally unknown or at least unkown by the vast majority of mainstream listeners. Contrarely to what many people think most of them don't even want to have a career as a solo act in the first place, they are just happy contributing the projects of other composers, playing music everyday and earning their bread that way. If you ask them in the end what their achievement in life was they'll tell you just that: having managed to contribute great pieces of art and having managed to make a decent living as being artists, something that ain't so easy in the first place. Donna, Hannah and Ida are extremely talented musicians and 2 of them have already released solo albums (under the mainstream radar), but in this case they are session musicians who got hired by to play with him live and in the studio. This involves of course having some contribution to his composing and arranging process, as it often does, but he gave them the job and he can take it away from them any day, the same way he could have chosen 3 other girls to be 3EG, the same way he could have chosen 7 other guy to be The Time back in 1981 and he could fire any of them overnight, something he actually did with Jam & Lewis. There is nothing to be ashamed for: they're having a job, they're doing it wonderfully and they're getting the credit they deserve for just that.

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It's the same BS when people say that an artist is a failure because their record sold only a few dozen thousand copies and that they are of no interest for anyone in the music industry, or that reissues of albums by The Time or later Paisley Park artists couldn't interest the smallest label in the world. Many indie labels and artists make a living selling few records to niche audiences and when they hit 50,000 sales of a single record they feel they've hit the jackpot. These people work hard and deserve the respect, I know some of them and believe me they DO eat even though they sell very few records by the majors' standards!

Y'all should stop leaving in Wonderland where everybody's a star. It ain't real life! Y'all are being fed BS by mass medias and reality shows and u think that stardom is the only key to happiness in this line of business. Well, not for the vast majority of professional musicians, and that's a fact.

databank said:

scratch said:

it's super, super insulting to compare them to session musicians. look at the focus prince has been placing on each member of the band during his live shows, calling them out by name and focusing on each band member individually. some of the songs on the 3EG album don't have prince's vocals and a lot of the solos aren't by prince either. they aren't session musicians in any way, look at how prince has established the identity behind 3EG as a band vs his solo material.

This is nonsense. Session musicians for one thing shouldn't be ashamed of being just that, they are the blood and life of the music industry and who said just because u're a session musician there's a law forbidding the lead act to call you by your name on stage. You are actually insulting the vast majority of professional musicians by saying they should be ashamed of being what they are. The girls are work for hire, hired by a lead act. Even their "solo" career as 3EG (if such a thing ever materialize) is a pet-project just the same way the people in The Time, The Family or Madhouse were session musicians. Even solo acts such as Jill or Carmen had little say about the way their own career was handled, Carmen recently admitted in an interview that she didn't even choose the tracklist on her own albums and had no idea why favored some songs over others for chrissakes!

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As Militant points out many people here have no idea of what life as a professional musician is. They think there are only stars and failures, that the only way to be satisfied with a career as a musician is to be a solo act that sells millions of albums. This is not the reality of the music business. 99% of the people on this Earth who make a living as professional musicians are totally unknown or at least unkown by the vast majority of mainstream listeners. Contrarely to what many people think most of them don't even want to have a career as a solo act in the first place, they are just happy contributing the projects of other composers, playing music everyday and earning their bread that way. If you ask them in the end what their achievement in life was they'll tell you just that: having managed to contribute great pieces of art and having managed to make a decent living as being artists, something that ain't so easy in the first place. Donna, Hannah and Ida are extremely talented musicians and 2 of them have already released solo albums (under the mainstream radar), but in this case they are session musicians who got hired by to play with him live and in the studio. This involves of course having some contribution to his composing and arranging process, as it often does, but he gave them the job and he can take it away from them any day, the same way he could have chosen 3 other girls to be 3EG, the same way he could have chosen 7 other guy to be The Time back in 1981 and he could fire any of them overnight, something he actually did with Jam & Lewis. There is nothing to be ashamed for: they're having a job, they're doing it wonderfully and they're getting the credit they deserve for just that.

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It's the same BS when people say that an artist is a failure because their record sold only a few dozen thousand copies and that they are of no interest for anyone in the music industry, or that reissues of albums by The Time or later Paisley Park artists couldn't interest the smallest label in the world. Many indie labels and artists make a living selling few records to niche audiences and when they hit 50,000 sales of a single record they feel they've hit the jackpot. These people work hard and deserve the respect, I know some of them and believe me they DO eat even though they sell very few records by the majors' standards!

Y'all should stop leaving in Wonderland where everybody's a star. It ain't real life! Y'all are being fed BS by mass medias and reality shows and u think that stardom is the only key to happiness in this line of business. Well, not for the vast majority of professional musicians, and that's a fact.

not true at all, and you're making a huge amount of generalizations about me that you don't know and can't back up. i AM a musician, i've worked in the music industry, and i've worked as a session musician in the past. the time were not session musicians! session musicians are not involved in the songwriting process! you are totally confounding 3EG's involvement with P and you need to calm down your extremely condescending and patronizing tone, acting like i know nothing about an industry i have thorough experience in. get over yourself. are you a musician? have you ever played as a studio musician? if so, you would realize 3EG's role is VERY different. taking over vocals and production and assumedly songwriting on several tracks with 3EG CLEARLY removes them from anything approaching session musicians. it's insulting to 3EG because session musicians are VERY SHORT-TERM, you know, as in they play SESSIONS, play their parts, and leave. when i play a session, i'm not a part of the band! i'm not an intimate part of that artists creative entourage! it's completely different to P's relationship with 3EG and you're willfully obfuscating.

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just because "he gave them the job and he can take it away from them any day" does NOT mean they are session musicians! prince employs TONS of session musicians and 3EG are NOT that in any way. you're just wrong about this. when i've sessioned with an artist i will come in maybe three or four times to the studio, lay down the tracks when i'm told to, AND THAT'S IT! nothing like p's relationship with his band.

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treehouse said:

Militant said:

Let's see, Warner Bros execs get to work on the Purple Rain remaster and talk to Prince about it.... nope, don't feel sorry for them.

3rd Eye Girl are Prince's band. Basically the best job in the music biz. Nope, don't feel sorry for them either.

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You can't envision the posibility that Prince isn't the best boss, and getting picked up to be in his band then never see the record come out must make them feel a little foolish, or question their stability in his kingdom? No empathy at all for that? They're young. They will never get out of Prince's shadow, unless it's a fluke Sheryl Crowe situation. Frankly, I felt bad for them reading about those late night listening parties of Prince's new solo record. How many times did they have to listen to that thing at 3am? I'm sure they're tired of Prince making them soup or never knowing if they were going to hear more of their 3rd Eye songs pop up on his record.

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Executives at a major label are about keeping their jobs and being a corporate hero. I'm sure there are fans amongst them, but not to the point that if Prince isn't letting them do their job, they're going to go home at 9pm to their mortgage and college funds, and count their lucky stars they got a two word email from one of Prince's minions that day, relying some riddle.

What a delusional post. They're hired musicians to him. They get paid to provide a service to Prince (which is to be on call and record with him when he feels like it). It's not like they're in some "band" where they're there to provide some truly substantial musical contribution. Not to sound harsh but they can be replaced at any moment as its always been with his bands. But they get paid nicely and I'm pretty sure they've very satisfied with their salaries.

scratch said:

not true at all, and you're making a huge amount of generalizations about me that you don't know and can't back up. i AM a musician, i've worked in the music industry, and i've worked as a session musician in the past. the time were not session musicians! session musicians are not involved in the songwriting process! you are totally confounding 3EG's involvement with P and you need to calm down your extremely condescending and patronizing tone, acting like i know nothing about an industry i have thorough experience in. get over yourself. are you a musician? have you ever played as a studio musician? if so, you would realize 3EG's role is VERY different. taking over vocals and production and assumedly songwriting on several tracks with 3EG CLEARLY removes them from anything approaching session musicians. it's insulting to 3EG because session musicians are VERY SHORT-TERM, you know, as in they play SESSIONS, play their parts, and leave. when i play a session, i'm not a part of the band! i'm not an intimate part of that artists creative entourage! it's completely different to P's relationship with 3EG and you're willfully obfuscating.

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just because "he gave them the job and he can take it away from them any day" does NOT mean they are session musicians! prince employs TONS of session musicians and 3EG are NOT that in any way. you're just wrong about this. when i've sessioned with an artist i will come in maybe three or four times to the studio, lay down the tracks when i'm told to, AND THAT'S IT! nothing like p's relationship with his band.

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The NPG configurations contributed to the songwriting on the Prince & NPG albums as well. Prince Kirky J produced for Prince also. Sonny T and Tony M have performed lead vox on "Prince" songs.. so nothing's new here really.

hopefularranger said:

If we were a little less hysterical in our tones, we might recognize the validity of all viewpoints presented here. There have been many instances over the course of music history in which the lines between the so-called "sideman/sidewoman" and the equal-level "collaborator" have blurred. In Prince's own history, we see many examples of this. Matt Fink co-wrote "Dirty Mind", "It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night" and select other tunes that were subsequently releaed as Prince songs. Dez Dickerson wrote the lyrics to "Cool", "Wild and Loose" and composed music and lyrics of the song "After Hi School". Wendy and Lisa are known to have co-written, co-arranged and co-produced a significant amount of material with Prince. None of these people ceased to be employees simply because Prince invited them to contribute their creative skills to a particular project or song. And there was no shift in the dynamic of their relationships which prevented their being pink slipped or quitting their jobs (as the case may be) when the time came. The roles of collaborators verses those of session musicians are not mutually exclusive; one can indeed be both simultaneously. Every individual's experience may differ, but that's life I suppose.

sorry i got a little 'hysterical' . but generally i agree. a lot of these people all throughout prince's career, not just 3EG but members of NPG and of course the revolution were important collaborators in crafting prince's music... they weren't just session musicians. that's what i more meant to say. the members of his creative circle have always affected his viewpoint and his music, sometimes in a really significant way (look at wendy and lisa!).

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do you think the members of 3EG would agree they were just session musicians?

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scratch said:

databank said:

This is nonsense. Session musicians for one thing shouldn't be ashamed of being just that, they are the blood and life of the music industry and who said just because u're a session musician there's a law forbidding the lead act to call you by your name on stage. You are actually insulting the vast majority of professional musicians by saying they should be ashamed of being what they are. The girls are work for hire, hired by a lead act. Even their "solo" career as 3EG (if such a thing ever materialize) is a pet-project just the same way the people in The Time, The Family or Madhouse were session musicians. Even solo acts such as Jill or Carmen had little say about the way their own career was handled, Carmen recently admitted in an interview that she didn't even choose the tracklist on her own albums and had no idea why favored some songs over others for chrissakes!

.

As Militant points out many people here have no idea of what life as a professional musician is. They think there are only stars and failures, that the only way to be satisfied with a career as a musician is to be a solo act that sells millions of albums. This is not the reality of the music business. 99% of the people on this Earth who make a living as professional musicians are totally unknown or at least unkown by the vast majority of mainstream listeners. Contrarely to what many people think most of them don't even want to have a career as a solo act in the first place, they are just happy contributing the projects of other composers, playing music everyday and earning their bread that way. If you ask them in the end what their achievement in life was they'll tell you just that: having managed to contribute great pieces of art and having managed to make a decent living as being artists, something that ain't so easy in the first place. Donna, Hannah and Ida are extremely talented musicians and 2 of them have already released solo albums (under the mainstream radar), but in this case they are session musicians who got hired by to play with him live and in the studio. This involves of course having some contribution to his composing and arranging process, as it often does, but he gave them the job and he can take it away from them any day, the same way he could have chosen 3 other girls to be 3EG, the same way he could have chosen 7 other guy to be The Time back in 1981 and he could fire any of them overnight, something he actually did with Jam & Lewis. There is nothing to be ashamed for: they're having a job, they're doing it wonderfully and they're getting the credit they deserve for just that.

.

It's the same BS when people say that an artist is a failure because their record sold only a few dozen thousand copies and that they are of no interest for anyone in the music industry, or that reissues of albums by The Time or later Paisley Park artists couldn't interest the smallest label in the world. Many indie labels and artists make a living selling few records to niche audiences and when they hit 50,000 sales of a single record they feel they've hit the jackpot. These people work hard and deserve the respect, I know some of them and believe me they DO eat even though they sell very few records by the majors' standards!

Y'all should stop leaving in Wonderland where everybody's a star. It ain't real life! Y'all are being fed BS by mass medias and reality shows and u think that stardom is the only key to happiness in this line of business. Well, not for the vast majority of professional musicians, and that's a fact.

not true at all, and you're making a huge amount of generalizations about me that you don't know and can't back up. i AM a musician, i've worked in the music industry, and i've worked as a session musician in the past. the time were not session musicians! session musicians are not involved in the songwriting process! you are totally confounding 3EG's involvement with P and you need to calm down your extremely condescending and patronizing tone, acting like i know nothing about an industry i have thorough experience in. get over yourself. are you a musician? have you ever played as a studio musician? if so, you would realize 3EG's role is VERY different. taking over vocals and production and assumedly songwriting on several tracks with 3EG CLEARLY removes them from anything approaching session musicians. it's insulting to 3EG because session musicians are VERY SHORT-TERM, you know, as in they play SESSIONS, play their parts, and leave. when i play a session, i'm not a part of the band! i'm not an intimate part of that artists creative entourage! it's completely different to P's relationship with 3EG and you're willfully obfuscating.

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just because "he gave them the job and he can take it away from them any day" does NOT mean they are session musicians! prince employs TONS of session musicians and 3EG are NOT that in any way. you're just wrong about this. when i've sessioned with an artist i will come in maybe three or four times to the studio, lay down the tracks when i'm told to, AND THAT'S IT! nothing like p's relationship with his band.

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Apologies for assuming u didn't know what u're talking about, many people here don't that's y.

I used to be a musician indeed and I've worked as a tour manager and event manager for most of my adult life so I know about that, too. Obviously we view things differently, to me there's no straight line between session musicians and backing band to make my thoughts maybe clearer: either u're a solo act (or a permanent member of a band where everyone is equal) or u're a work for hire (whether u're hired to play in a band or to play once in a studio for 2 hours and go home). I knew many solo acts who hired musicians either as temporary studio musicians or as a backing band and allowed them to take part in their creative process by contributiong compositions and arrangement whenever they had good ideas or talents the lead artist lacked, nonetheless it was perfectly clear who was the "artist" and who was "session musician" and no one took offense. IDK, Michael B. Nelson had a great deal of creative impact on 's music by doing most of the composing and arranging of the horns parts he contributed, nonetheless one could argue that he is a session musician just as much: in the end asked him to do a specific thing either in the studio or on stage and had the final say on what would be kept or not. MBN is, in my opinion, a very important "voice" in 's music, I wouldn't think of undermining his work in any possible way and I don't c why u persist in thinking "session musician" is a diminutive term. If tomorrow all sessions musicians would go on a strike there wouldn't be any music scene left. So IDK, in the worst case let's agree to disagree

funkyhead said:

lezama said:

Not to sound harsh but they can be replaced at any moment as its always been with his bands.

You don't say? Now the question is why you don't have any empathy for them considering that fact? They're out there promoting a record, talking about this band, and the fans are starting to question if the records even getting released. I didn't say one thing that was "delusional".

databank said:

I don't c why u persist in thinking "session musician" is a diminutive term.

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Because Prince elevated these marginal talents to not just being his back up band, but being his principle band - with it's own name - and claiming they jam, and write music as a band.

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So to then diminish that in a discussion where someone is suggested we might feel bad for the situation 3EG are in does make it sound negative. Where all of you are saying they should be happy to share a room with Prince, if it was you, the emotions would be complex and full of frustration.

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databank said:

scratch said:

not true at all, and you're making a huge amount of generalizations about me that you don't know and can't back up. i AM a musician, i've worked in the music industry, and i've worked as a session musician in the past. the time were not session musicians! session musicians are not involved in the songwriting process! you are totally confounding 3EG's involvement with P and you need to calm down your extremely condescending and patronizing tone, acting like i know nothing about an industry i have thorough experience in. get over yourself. are you a musician? have you ever played as a studio musician? if so, you would realize 3EG's role is VERY different. taking over vocals and production and assumedly songwriting on several tracks with 3EG CLEARLY removes them from anything approaching session musicians. it's insulting to 3EG because session musicians are VERY SHORT-TERM, you know, as in they play SESSIONS, play their parts, and leave. when i play a session, i'm not a part of the band! i'm not an intimate part of that artists creative entourage! it's completely different to P's relationship with 3EG and you're willfully obfuscating.

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just because "he gave them the job and he can take it away from them any day" does NOT mean they are session musicians! prince employs TONS of session musicians and 3EG are NOT that in any way. you're just wrong about this. when i've sessioned with an artist i will come in maybe three or four times to the studio, lay down the tracks when i'm told to, AND THAT'S IT! nothing like p's relationship with his band.

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Apologies for assuming u didn't know what u're talking about, many people here don't that's y.

I used to be a musician indeed and I've worked as a tour manager and event manager for most of my adult life so I know about that, too. Obviously we view things differently, to me there's no straight line between session musicians and backing band to make my thoughts maybe clearer: either u're a solo act (or a permanent member of a band where everyone is equal) or u're a work for hire (whether u're hired to play in a band or to play once in a studio for 2 hours and go home). I knew many solo acts who hired musicians either as temporary studio musicians or as a backing band and allowed them to take part in their creative process by contributiong compositions and arrangement whenever they had good ideas or talents the lead artist lacked, nonetheless it was perfectly clear who was the "artist" and who was "session musician" and no one took offense. IDK, Michael B. Nelson had a great deal of creative impact on 's music by doing most of the composing and arranging of the horns parts he contributed, nonetheless one could argue that he is a session musician just as much: in the end asked him to do a specific thing either in the studio or on stage and had the final say on what would be kept or not. MBN is, in my opinion, a very important "voice" in 's music, I wouldn't think of undermining his work in any possible way and I don't c why u persist in thinking "session musician" is a diminutive term. If tomorrow all sessions musicians would go on a strike there wouldn't be any music scene left. So IDK, in the worst case let's agree to disagree

and i'm quite sorry for my disrespectful tone! i understand what you mean. we can definitely agree to disagree. i just mean that i would consider working as a session musician to laying down a few tracks for an artist, usually short term work. the type of travel prince does with 3EG and NPG is more long-term-- and hell it pays better! anyway

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i really do hope prince is planning something special with this reissue. this quote from a recent interview bothers me though, this is when she was talking to prince:

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treehouse said:

databank said:

I don't c why u persist in thinking "session musician" is a diminutive term.

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Because Prince elevated these marginal talents to not just being his back up band, but being his principle band - with it's own name - and claiming they jam, and write music as a band.

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So to then diminish that in a discussion where someone is suggested we might feel bad for the situation 3EG are in does make it sound negative. Where all of you are saying they should be happy to share a room with Prince, if it was you, the emotions would be complex and full of frustration.

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The thing is you assume out of nothing. I mean for all I know this may just be PR BS but so far in interviews the gitls have only expressed satisfaction with this experience. Of course any working relationship always have its moments of tensions or frustration but fact is that for some reason you seem to assume that anyone working with at any time can't be eanything but frustrated by the experience, which is a bit biased IMHO. The same way everyone here seem to assume that the girls wanted to have a "solo" career with 3EG and are therefore frustrated that it doesn't lead to an album being released when as far as we know it's who decided unilaterally to put them in the center of attention and release an album as "3EG" instead of "Prince". I don't know, what I see here is very young women getting to work with one of the most successful, famous and talented musician on the planet, a position many young (or older) musicians would kill to be in, so well yeah you may also assume that the people working with/for Bill Gates, astronauts, olympic games champions and presidents of the USA are very unhappy with being in their privileged positions but unless this is backed up by the people involved I don't see the point is all.

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So while it's technically possible that u are right and that, once their experience with is over, the girls may express frustration or anger, so far we have absolutely no fact that goes in that direction so I don't see the point in trying to make a point of a personal projection that isn't backed-up by anyone involved (and here it's not just you but many orgers doing that).

I mean IDK, maybe YOU would be unhappy with this situation but just to assume that because u would everyone else in the world would seems assuming waaay too much in my book.

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Another thing is that even though many (but far from all) of the musicians who worked 4 expressed frustration over parts of that experience, save a few exceptions (Paul for example) they all keep coming back the very minute he offers them a gig. Some may say it's just because they need the paycheck but I think it's not just that, I think in the end the musical experience and exposure they get every time is worth getting through 's capricious character.

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So please let's not get mad at each other over this, shall we? I'm trying to make a point, so are you, we may have very opposite views, it's cool

scratch said:

databank said:

and i'm quite sorry for my disrespectful tone! i understand what you mean. we can definitely agree to disagree. i just mean that i would consider working as a session musician to laying down a few tracks for an artist, usually short term work. the type of travel prince does with 3EG and NPG is more long-term-- and hell it pays better! anyway

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i really do hope prince is planning something special with this reissue. this quote from a recent interview bothers me though, this is when she was talking to prince:

“I don’t know why people need to do that. To look back on the 30th year of something. When else would we talk like that?”

“You don’t like anniversaries?” I asked, immediately realizing what a dumb question that was given his thoughts on birthdays.

“Why would anyone want to talk like that?"

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It's cool, I myself often speak in disrespectful ways to people here and IDK why because it never ever happens IRL where I'm always trying to be the most tactful person I can be. I don't know what this forum is doing to us, honest, I'm quite sure most of us are much nicer folks than the impression we may sometimes give here

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I'm worried too about the remasters program of course. In the end 's holy grail was to get his masters back but it's not very clear to me whether it's because he couldn't stand the idea of someone else owning them and he just wants them to rot in the vault alongside his post-WB records or whether it's because he has a plan for them that doesn't stand any compromise with any major label. Time will tell I guess