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Rediscovered "Rainbow Childeren" and "Rave Un2..." with high-end earphones So my opinion of these two albums has been DRAMATICALLY changed by listening to these albums with high-end earphones -- specifically, Shure SE535's. Essentially, there's more subtlety and "sonic twists" to the music that I've never noticed with other speakers. I tried listening to "Dirty Mind" and "Purple "Rain" for the same effect but the difference is not as notable. Has anyone else observed this? | |
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Stop the Prince Apologists ™ | |
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You mean all the clipping and brickwalling in the mastering of Rave is removed? And the shit songs? | |
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Wow, I was trying to start an interesting conversation about the effect of speaker quality on how one receives different "generations" of Prince music and it looks like all I did was disturb two curmudgeons. Any one else have an opinion? | |
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I rediscovered 'Undisputed' recently with a pair of very fine B & W speakers. The song is still cheesy, but the sonics are so complicated, it's a graphic equalizer's nightmare. loved it. Funky alien | |
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Those are some really nice headphones. Shure makes some top notch stuff. Its amazing the little production touches you can find listening to his material on headphones. I haven't listened to his post 96 output on headphones until recently. I found some interesting things on the "Emancipation" album that i've never noticed before especially on the title track. I haven't revisited Rave or Rainbow but I would think that Rainbow would have a lot in the mix that I've never noticed before.
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brookinz said: Wow, I was trying to start an interesting conversation about the effect of speaker quality on how one receives different "generations" of Prince music and it looks like all I did was disturb two curmudgeons. Any one else have an opinion? Wise man say "you can't polish a turd" P-p-e-n-g-u-i-n......the P is silent | |
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Ppenguin said: brookinz said: Wow, I was trying to start an interesting conversation about the effect of speaker quality on how one receives different "generations" of Prince music and it looks like all I did was disturb two curmudgeons. Any one else have an opinion? Wise man say "you can't polish a turd" Just for my own information, with the better earphones, can you still hear what sounds like Prince comparing slavery with the holocaust and pick the holocaust as the better option? P-p-e-n-g-u-i-n......the P is silent | |
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brookinz said: Wow, I was trying to start an interesting conversation about the effect of speaker quality on how one receives different "generations" of Prince music Lol. We don't do dat here!  | |
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Wish I had some high end headphones so I could say something useful. Especially since most of this thread is stuff people could have said (and probably have said) on any number of other threads that mention Rainbow Children. I've listened to the album less than I would have otherwise because some of the lyrics threw me off--but that's not what this thread's about. . So--what sort of details are you hearing? | |
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Ppenguin said: Just for my own information, with the better earphones, can you still hear what sounds like Prince comparing slavery with the holocaust and pick the holocaust as the better option? | |
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I had the same feeling when I heard Musicology on a great stereo system. You can tell a lot of time went into the production of it. Sadly that is one of the only nice things I can say about this release. The tour was great though. | |
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Hmmm, yeah, I dislike "Rave" myself, but it's a headphone record, for sure. But like mentioned earlier, the record has quite a lot of brickwall limiting applied to it and as an early example of that trend it's not that well done. Some of the tracks have actually been just made quieter by dropping down the overall volume level by several decibels after the limiting process in order to make all the tracks sound like they would have equal volume levels! It's just bizarre when you check out on a program like Audacity. | |
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novabrkr said: Hmmm, yeah, I dislike "Rave" myself, but it's a headphone record, for sure. But like mentioned earlier, the record has quite a lot of brickwall limiting applied to it and as an early example of that trend it's not that well done. Some of the tracks have actually been just made quieter by dropping down the overall volume level by several decibels after the limiting process in order to make all the tracks sound like they would have equal volume levels! It's just bizarre when you check out on a program like Audacity. What's limiting? P-p-e-n-g-u-i-n......the P is silent | |
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Ppenguin said: novabrkr said: Hmmm, yeah, I dislike "Rave" myself, but it's a headphone record, for sure. But like mentioned earlier, the record has quite a lot of brickwall limiting applied to it and as an early example of that trend it's not that well done. Some of the tracks have actually been just made quieter by dropping down the overall volume level by several decibels after the limiting process in order to make all the tracks sound like they would have equal volume levels! It's just bizarre when you check out on a program like Audacity. What's limiting? Yes lots of technical terms here! Limiting is a studio technique which 'limits' the volume. When it comes to mixing recorded drum tracks, guitars, vocals and whatever you need tools such as limiters and compressors to control the volume of each track, so you end up with a balanced mix throughout your song. Its quite a science and the best engineers get paid lots of money to produce quality mixes. love is touching souls | |
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YowMaScroow said: Ppenguin said: What's limiting? Yes lots of technical terms here! Limiting is a studio technique which 'limits' the volume. When it comes to mixing recorded drum tracks, guitars, vocals and whatever you need tools such as limiters and compressors to control the volume of each track, so you end up with a balanced mix throughout your song. Its quite a science and the best engineers get paid lots of money to produce quality mixes. So what's up with the ones on this album? Something's too loud/quiet? I do notice that there are some really quiet albums compared to other - SOTT really needs cranking up to sound the same vol as others P-p-e-n-g-u-i-n......the P is silent | |
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Loved Rave back in the day and still love it to this day. His best album of the 90s imo. There's so many great tracks, Strange But True, TGRES, Wherever U Go, ILYBIDTYA, Man O War, the title track, Prettyman... I really never understood why this great album gets ragged on by so many fans. | |
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MattyJam said: Loved Rave back in the day and still love it to this day. His best album of the 90s imo. There's so many great tracks, Strange But True, TGRES, Wherever U Go, ILYBIDTYA, Man O War, the title track, Prettyman... I really never understood why this great album gets ragged on by so many fans. There are a few decent tracks on it but not many standout and, for me, if there wasn't Wherever a You Go and Prettyman, I turn off after Everyday is a winding road. Incidentally , which muppet wrote the Wikipedia entry for this album and out that Sheryl Crow sings on Baby Knows P-p-e-n-g-u-i-n......the P is silent | |
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cause people need to skip the bad tracks and see that rest is quite good | |
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Ppenguin said: YowMaScroow said: Yes lots of technical terms here! Limiting is a studio technique which 'limits' the volume. When it comes to mixing recorded drum tracks, guitars, vocals and whatever you need tools such as limiters and compressors to control the volume of each track, so you end up with a balanced mix throughout your song. Its quite a science and the best engineers get paid lots of money to produce quality mixes. So what's up with the ones on this album? Something's too loud/quiet? I do notice that there are some really quiet albums compared to other - SOTT really needs cranking up to sound the same vol as others When it comes to mixing a song or album its like making a cake, there's lots of basic recipes which are OK. Some people experiment and the result isn't always great. But its art so if you like it thats cool. Finished products have got louder over the years with digital recording. But "quiet" vinyl is very popular these days so again its about what sounds best to you. love is touching souls | |
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hopefularranger said: Ppenguin said: Just for my own information, with the better earphones, can you still hear what sounds like Prince comparing slavery with the holocaust and pick the holocaust as the better option? The lyrics of TRC are the most revolting part about the album and presumably you can hear them better with good headphones, so I don't see how this is off track. I still can't tell if Prince is being pro-black, anti-black, or neither with his lyrics on this album when he deals with race. For the slavery vs. holocaust line, he answers the question by saying it's better to be sold than dead, implying the holocaust is worse. (imo, it's best not to make the comparison at all, both were terrible.) And the first part of Family Name is more of an attack on black folks than a defense. Sonically, TRC is fantastic. That seems clear to me with or without good headphones. Rave might sound better to some on good headphones. I prefer it played loud on speakers instead of straight into my ears. "Love & honesty, peace & harmony" | |
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controversy99 said: hopefularranger said: The lyrics of TRC are the most revolting part about the album and presumably you can hear them better with good headphones, so I don't see how this is off track. I still can't tell if Prince is being pro-black, anti-black, or neither with his lyrics on this album when he deals with race. For the slavery vs. holocaust line, he answers the question by saying it's better to be sold than dead, implying the holocaust is worse. (imo, it's best not to make the comparison at all, both were terrible.) And the first part of Family Name is more of an attack on black folks than a defense. Sonically, TRC is fantastic. That seems clear to me with or without good headphones. Rave might sound better to some on good headphones. I prefer it played loud on speakers instead of straight into my ears. No, he says it's better to be dead than sold....there's no 'winner', it's a stupid, revolting comparison which really is a statement t on his 'slavery' at someevel I expect P-p-e-n-g-u-i-n......the P is silent | |
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Not sure what you meant to type here! Out that? Did you mean to type 'put that'? If you did, then when you wrote, 'which muppet', did you mean to write, 'which person giving accurate information'? RIP | |
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Not sure what you meant to type here! Out that? Did you mean to type 'put that'? If you did, then when you wrote, 'which muppet', did you mean to write, 'which person giving accurate information'? Sheryl Crow sings on Baby Knows? Not Everyday is a Winding Road? I stand correct then...maybe I do need some expensive earphones [Edited 7/21/14 3:49am] P-p-e-n-g-u-i-n......the P is silent | |
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Ppenguin said: controversy99 said: The lyrics of TRC are the most revolting part about the album and presumably you can hear them better with good headphones, so I don't see how this is off track. I still can't tell if Prince is being pro-black, anti-black, or neither with his lyrics on this album when he deals with race. For the slavery vs. holocaust line, he answers the question by saying it's better to be sold than dead, implying the holocaust is worse. (imo, it's best not to make the comparison at all, both were terrible.) And the first part of Family Name is more of an attack on black folks than a defense. Sonically, TRC is fantastic. That seems clear to me with or without good headphones. Rave might sound better to some on good headphones. I prefer it played loud on speakers instead of straight into my ears. No, he says it's better to be dead than sold....there's no 'winner', it's a stupid, revolting comparison which really is a statement t on his 'slavery' at someevel I expect I agree it's a revolting & stupid comparison. And here's the lyric: "But when all truth is told, would you rather be dead or be sold? Sold to the one who can now mate ..." It's pretty clear listening to the song that he says sold is better, but I really don't know wtf he means. He was going through a bizarre combination JW, black pride, conspiracy theory phase that he's only partially worked through. So I would think in his mind it's somehow better to have been killed then sold, but that's not what he says. Just reading the lyrics to that song are depressing because of how backwards it is. Erase the first 3 songs from TRC, and it's a much much better and way less offensive album. "Love & honesty, peace & harmony" | |
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I haven't listened to those two albums with high-end earphones, but I listened the the "This Could Be Us" clip with some and then without and I was greatly surprised at the difference, I appreciated all the subtle things they're doing with that track sonically a lot more with the high end earphones. Change it one more time.. | |
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