CocoRock said:

skywalker said:

CocoRock said: How so? Prince isn't promoting/pushing/selling anything except for new coffee mugs. He is trying to get a hit single? Right now? I just don't see it. He's not really doing much promoting of anything compared to to in the past. Disagree? Why? [Edited 7/18/14 20:38pm]

See thread title.

Really though, most of what was said in the initial post falls in line with typical Prince fan complaints since 1985. Doesn't it boil down to the same old Prince then vs. now argument?

CocoRock said:

Coco, I was talking about aerograms post. His is the comedy. Also, I agree with everything you say.

CocoRock said:

I thought the same thing. Like what? I think some people have become quite delusional. This is quit normal when an empire falls. The people who have invested huge amounts of emotional energy in Prince are now trying to justify his lackluster output with all sort if nonsensical crap because to admit the truth would be to also admit to themselves that they have been living a lie for a long time. There's a psychiatry term for that.

HonestMan13 said:

The fans are shook. Prince finally stopped churning out albums once a year like he was still under contract and the fans are lost without that yearly release. My reccomendation is for everyone who's ansty and upset to take a stiff shot of sit the fuck down and a chaser of shut the fuck up!

BINGO

Militant said:

Boom!

HonestMan13 said:

That's just some stupid shit to say. Nobody gives a shit about my legacy as fan. My fandom catalog doesn't need remastering. Ain't nobody checking my FB page to see if I'm still down with P. I'm not calling MY journalist friends over to see what they think of HIS new stuff.

Antsy? Hardly. I'm GLAD he hasn't put out an album a year like he used to, as these days, his releases fall short to my ears, and move everybody further away from his once damn near pitch perfect catalog. See above wherein I say as much to Blixical.

Truth is, I don't have any fucks to give about 'Rectum Selectum', and I doubt highly that I'll be acquiring any. This thread is here merely to serve as a reminder as to why you, and your mono-syllabic using cohorts, don't have your sweaty little paws on it yet.

skywalker said:

I could see how this might be interpreted as such. But the difference between now and 85 there was a rise, a surge, not only in his output, but his creativity, and of course, his stardom.

And if it makes me boring, crazy, or whatever adjective Famz wanna toss at me for sticking around, and actually believing in this dude, fine. It'll be hard, but I'll have to find a way to live with it. But as we all know this board ain't called cocorock.org.

strat3000 said:

BLAST!! I wanted that comedy gold! Regardless, my bad. And thanks!

CocoRock said:

HonestMan13 said:

The fans are shook. Prince finally stopped churning out albums once a year like he was still under contract and the fans are lost without that yearly release. My reccomendation is for everyone who's ansty and upset to take a stiff shot of sit the fuck down and a chaser of shut the fuck up!

That's just some stupid shit to say. Nobody gives a shit about my legacy as fan. My fandom catalog doesn't need remastering. Ain't nobody checking my FB page to see if I'm still down with P. I'm not calling MY journalist friends over to see what they think of HIS new stuff. Antsy? Hardly. I'm GLAD he hasn't put out an album a year like he used to, as these days, his releases fall short to my ears, and move everybody further away from his once damn near pitch perfect catalog. See above wherein I say as much to Blixical. Truth is, I don't have any fucks to give about 'Rectum Selectum', and I doubt highly that I'll be acquiring any. This thread is here merely to serve as a reminder as to why you, and your mono-syllabic using cohorts, don't have your sweaty little paws on it yet.

So basically...

"Hey guys I really don't care but to show you how much I don't care I'll start a thread about how much I don't care." - CocoRock

HonestMan13 said:

No, basically, Prince is shook.

HonestMan13 said:

CocoRock said:

HonestMan13 said: That's just some stupid shit to say. Nobody gives a shit about my legacy as fan. My fandom catalog doesn't need remastering. Ain't nobody checking my FB page to see if I'm still down with P. I'm not calling MY journalist friends over to see what they think of HIS new stuff. Antsy? Hardly. I'm GLAD he hasn't put out an album a year like he used to, as these days, his releases fall short to my ears, and move everybody further away from his once damn near pitch perfect catalog. See above wherein I say as much to Blixical. Truth is, I don't have any fucks to give about 'Rectum Selectum', and I doubt highly that I'll be acquiring any. This thread is here merely to serve as a reminder as to why you, and your mono-syllabic using cohorts, don't have your sweaty little paws on it yet.

So basically...

"Hey guys I really don't care but to show you how much I don't care I'll start a thread about how much I don't care." - CocoRock

LMAO! That is exactly what this thread is about hahaha

CocoRock said:

skywalker said:

Really though, most of what was said in the initial post falls in line with typical Prince fan complaints since 1985. Doesn't it boil down to the same old Prince then vs. now argument?

I could see how this might be interpreted as such. But the difference between now and 85 there was a rise, a surge, not only in his output, but his creativity, and of course, his stardom. And if it makes me boring, crazy, or whatever adjective Famz wanna toss at me for sticking around, and actually believing in this dude, fine. It'll be hard, but I'll have to find a way to live with it. But as we all know this board ain't called cocorock.org.

If you haven't already, you should totally check out this other thread:

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http://prince.org/msg/7/409110

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It touches upon the fact that, although he was creating/putting out brilliant material....it wasn't hitting in the US. Prince was in a bad financial way (only 4 years after Purple Rain!).

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Someone even mentions that in '88, George Michael was more "funky" than Prince. Imagine that.

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My point is that, since 1985 fans have always been split on Prince's output. For better or worse.

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Lastly,

I don't think you are boring, crazy, etc. As you know, being a fan of anything is highly subjective. Especially when it comes to Prince.

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Personally, I have been loving his 3rdeyegirl phase and prefer it to, say, Prince circa 2001-2003.

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I wasn't really feeling his Rainbow Children/ONA era. I also recognized that it wasn't so much Prince "losing it" or people who loved that album having bad taste. I just wasn't feeling what it was.

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Yet, I didn't shout of his demise from a mountaintop, or whatever the internet fansite version of that is. Therefore, I didn't have people at Prince.org challenging me or calling me names.

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You gotta admit, the initial post here is a bit incendiary.

[Edited 7/19/14 8:00am]

skywalker said:

CocoRock said:

skywalker said: I could see how this might be interpreted as such. But the difference between now and 85 there was a rise, a surge, not only in his output, but his creativity, and of course, his stardom. And if it makes me boring, crazy, or whatever adjective Famz wanna toss at me for sticking around, and actually believing in this dude, fine. It'll be hard, but I'll have to find a way to live with it. But as we all know this board ain't called cocorock.org.

If you haven't already, you should totally check out this other thread:

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http://prince.org/msg/7/409110

-

It touches upon the fact that, although he was creating/putting out brilliant material....it wasn't hitting in the US. Prince was in a bad financial way (only 4 years after Purple Rain!).

-

Someone even mentions that in '88, George Michael was more "funky" than Prince. Imagine that.

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My point is that, since 1985 fans have always been split on Prince's output. For better or worse.

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Lastly,

I don't think you are boring, crazy, etc. As you know, being a fan of anything is highly subjective. Especially when it comes to Prince.

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Personally, I have been loving his 3rdeyegirl phase and prefer it to, say, Prince circa 2001-2003.

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I wasn't really feeling his Rainbow Children/ONA era. I also recognized that it wasn't so much Prince "losing it" or people who loved that album having bad taste. I just wasn't feeling what it was.

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Yet, I didn't shout of his demise from a mountaintop, or whatever the internet fansite version of that is. Therefore, I didn't have people at Prince.org challenging me or calling me names.

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You gotta admit, the initial post here is a bit incendiary.

[Edited 7/19/14 8:00am]

While I appreciate the vote of confidence, and with all due respect, there's really nothing in that thread for me. My thread's point was to the delay in Prince putting some new product out. I'm sure there'll be plenty of debates if and when we see said product, but my post was meant to be incendiary. But it's how I feel, and seeing as I have a platform to state how I feel, I'm using it. Name calling doesn't bother me. It's easy to hide behind a keyboard and throw shots online at somebody you don't know. It's much harder to debate a point articulately, as evidenced by many of the replies on this thread. Something I'm still learning myself.

That said, I genuinely appreciate the dialogue.

I hope Prince does HIS thing with these albums. He doesnt need a hit. He needs good music. The bull crap on the charts now is unsatisfactory. We need an album with HIS creativity and HIS mindset. We dont need songs that sound like he wants to fit in to todays music style. All of the albums he did that represented his wild creativity no matter how weird it was, either brought him success or stood the test of time. This man has charted for all of his career and maybe if he didnt think about charting and used HIS creativity, some of us orgers would be more satisfied with his recent music.

EyeHatechu said:

I hope Prince does HIS thing with these albums. He doesnt need a hit. He needs good music. The bull crap on the charts now is unsatisfactory. We need an album with HIS creativity and HIS mindset. We dont need songs that sound like he wants to fit in to todays music style. All of the albums he did that represented his wild creativity no matter how weird it was, either brought him success or stood the test of time. This man has charted for all of his career and maybe if he didnt think about charting and used HIS creativity, some of us orgers would be more satisfied with his recent music.

I thought you were gonna end that by saying 'he might actually chart'! But yes, I personally think you're right.

CocoRock said:

Yeah...he might actually chart.

CocoRock said:

Dude is still chasing a hit when he doesn't need to! And he knows, prolly by the response on here, that his Loyal Royals (I'm no "Fam") aren't feeling his recent output. I love the dude when he is not trying so hard. The 80's seemed effortless because he was doing him. True, he had his biggest success with an album who's title track was said to be written after he decided to show that he could do Bob Seeger, but Purple Rain the album was still pure P. Weird, fun, bold, and irreverent.

The Sycophants will prolly ask "well, why are you still here?" To that I say,
1. Because the org is still here.
2. Because I've been down with P for a while now, and I didn't get picked on all throughout my childhood for defending holmes just so he could squander everything by putting out weak shit.
3. Because he needs to hear it.

I remember a long time ago, he mentioned being "sick". This is WAY before sick became another way of saying "dope" or "fresh" or "cool" or "nice". If I recall correctly, "sick" to him meant doing the shit that nobody else had the nerve to do. BOLD! What happened to that?




Please file under: no shit Sherlock.

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Dude, are YOU serious with points two and three??? Man, Prince doesn't know or owe you anything. These are the two most delusional things I have heard on this site, and there have been some delusional posts on this site over the years. Are you so uninformed about art that you think that just because you like one piece of art created by an artist that you would like all of the art created by an artist? But, what's even more amazing is how so many of y'all post as if y'all's POV or musical tastes are the complete authority on what's good or well-crafted art. As far as I'm concerned, Prince has continued to produce well-crafted art so I'm not sure what he "needs to hear". However, I do know that whenever there is a song by Prince that I didn't like, whether it be "The Breakdown" or "I Wonder U," I never thought that Prince needed to hear from me how much he had disappointed me or let me down. I--in my sanity--just chalked it up to the reality that I'm not supposed to dig everything Prince creates. And, I hope that if Prince ever does stop making music that I like for a period of ten years that I will have the sense to find someone else to move/entertain me rather than wasting time bemoaning how Prince hasn't moved me in ___________ number of years. When my favorite restaurant stops making the food I like or making it how I like it, I find another favorite restaurant. When my old lady stops treating me like I like to be treated, it's time to find a another old lady. When Prince stops making the music I like...

1725topp said:

Except CocoRock did not say or mean what you perceive. Read it again. Sheesh!

CocoRock said:

Blixical said:

Honeslty, I love it when Prince is showing off.

I actually hate it when he deliberately subdues his material to make a point.
He's made several statements about 'overplaying' and showing off since the late 90s, and this perplexes me. Prince is best when he shows off. Give me insane albums like the Symbol Album, SOTT, or The Gold Experience over sleepers like Musicology or 20Ten anyday. I like it when pulls a rabbit out of his hat and throws things at me that I either didn't expect or never heard. I think what Prince is doing these days isn't so much desperately trying to get a hit, as trying to make the point that he doesn't need hits anymore. Either way, it's a snorfest. I do know regardless, the guy seems to enjoy the attention. He's made several public appearances in the last 3 years despite releasing anything. So, he's still keen on stroking his own ego--though, honestly, if he does any more cringe-worthy things like that pointless and creepy Arsenio Hall nonsense, I'm going to give up.

Then he should just stop. Stop dangling this carrot of an album(s) in front of his dwindling fan base. Stop with the tired retreads of R&B that he's been doing since the 90's. Stop tryna be that old hip guy (no pun intended), and DROP A STUNNER OF AN ALBUM!

I think I should further clarify that Prince's trying to prove he doesn't need radio hits doesn't mean that he wants the world to think he's interested in obscurity or no longer being relevant. Prince wants the attention still. He won't stop becauseo of his ego. His appearance on New Girl, cringe-worthy and embarassing as it was, in addition to his equally cringe-worthy and lackluster appearance on Arsenio, proves he still wants to be in the limelight.

He's TRIED to have radio comebacks. They've all failed. So, he's taking the sour-grapes route and claiming to not care, etc.

All of this is irrelevant to me so long as he produced really top rate material--and here's where we have the problem. 20Ten was a terrible album. And, the 3rdeyegirl stuff is boring to boot. And, the leaked stuff that may make it on his forthcoming album didn't impress me much either.

strat3000 said:

1725topp said:

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Dude, are YOU serious with points two and three??? Man, Prince doesn't know or owe you anything. These are the two most delusional things I have heard on this site, and there have been some delusional posts on this site over the years. Are you so uninformed about art that you think that just because you like one piece of art created by an artist that you would like all of the art created by an artist? But, what's even more amazing is how so many of y'all post as if y'all's POV or musical tastes are the complete authority on what's good or well-crafted art. As far as I'm concerned, Prince has continued to produce well-crafted art so I'm not sure what he "needs to hear". However, I do know that whenever there is a song by Prince that I didn't like, whether it be "The Breakdown" or "I Wonder U," I never thought that Prince needed to hear from me how much he had disappointed me or let me down. I--in my sanity--just chalked it up to the reality that I'm not supposed to dig everything Prince creates. And, I hope that if Prince ever does stop making music that I like for a period of ten years that I will have the sense to find someone else to move/entertain me rather than wasting time bemoaning how Prince hasn't moved me in ___________ number of years. When my favorite restaurant stops making the food I like or making it how I like it, I find another favorite restaurant. When my old lady stops treating me like I like to be treated, it's time to find a another old lady. When Prince stops making the music I like...

Except CocoRock did not say or mean what you perceive. Read it again. Sheesh!

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Show me one word that I have misquoted in points two and three. Maybe you should read it again.

1725topp said:

strat3000 said:

1725topp said: Except CocoRock did not say or mean what you perceive. Read it again. Sheesh!

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Show me one word that I have misquoted in points two and three. Maybe you should read it again.

If YOU don't get it that's not my problem but rather yours.

strat3000 said:

1725topp said:

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Show me one word that I have misquoted in points two and three. Maybe you should read it again.

If YOU don't get it that's not my problem but rather yours.

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I get that whenever someone realizes and calls y'all on this redundancy, which, after a while, becomes insane for its ongoing redundancy no matter how it's repackaged, then it's your problem for not facing your own redundant insanity.

Prince is shook? WTF is Shook?

Militant said:

HonestMan13 said:

The fans are shook. Prince finally stopped churning out albums once a year like he was still under contract and the fans are lost without that yearly release. My reccomendation is for everyone who's ansty and upset to take a stiff shot of sit the fuck down and a chaser of shut the fuck up!

BINGO

I'm a little confused. You hammered Bart for 'bullying' yet you salute this poster.

jasminejoey said:

Militant said:

BINGO

I'm a little confused. You hammered Bart for 'bullying' yet you salute this poster.

Classic case of the "everyones". The sycophants everyone included Militant's pals, thus prompting the wrath of our dear leader. The everyone that needs to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up does not include Militant's crew, as he would like them to stand the fuck up and shout it the fuck out.

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That said, Prince is brilliant and I love his new band they're so pretty. Not that Prince isn't pretty too. RockNRoll Love Affair isn't a crappier version of The One U Wanna C. It's a beautiful new tune with innovative texture and a tight arrangement.

Blixical said:

CocoRock said:

Then he should just stop. Stop dangling this carrot of an album(s) in front of his dwindling fan base. Stop with the tired retreads of R&B that he's been doing since the 90's. Stop tryna be that old hip guy (no pun intended), and DROP A STUNNER OF AN ALBUM!

I think I should further clarify that Prince's trying to prove he doesn't need radio hits doesn't mean that he wants the world to think he's interested in obscurity or no longer being relevant. Prince wants the attention still. He won't stop becauseo of his ego. His appearance on New Girl, cringe-worthy and embarassing as it was, in addition to his equally cringe-worthy and lackluster appearance on Arsenio, proves he still wants to be in the limelight.

He's TRIED to have radio comebacks. They've all failed. So, he's taking the sour-grapes route and claiming to not care, etc.

All of this is irrelevant to me so long as he produced really top rate material--and here's where we have the problem. 20Ten was a terrible album. And, the 3rdeyegirl stuff is boring to boot. And, the leaked stuff that may make it on his forthcoming album didn't impress me much either.

Your opinions about his appearance on New Girl or his Arsenio appearance are your own. I think most people enjoyed them. Your opinions of 20ten and the 3EG stuff is also individual. Plenty of stuff plays on the radio that's crap. Little has to do with quality and a lot has to do with know the record labels are promoting at any given point in time and who's going to be making the record stations money due to advertising revenue. Unfortunately age does matter for the radio world and there's diminishing returns for any artist of Prince's generation. Madonna had to work it into contract with Clear Channel to get any radio play of her last album. As soon as the contract stipulations for radio play expired the songs disappeared entirely from the charts.

lezama said:

Blixical said:

I think I should further clarify that Prince's trying to prove he doesn't need radio hits doesn't mean that he wants the world to think he's interested in obscurity or no longer being relevant. Prince wants the attention still. He won't stop becauseo of his ego. His appearance on New Girl, cringe-worthy and embarassing as it was, in addition to his equally cringe-worthy and lackluster appearance on Arsenio, proves he still wants to be in the limelight.

He's TRIED to have radio comebacks. They've all failed. So, he's taking the sour-grapes route and claiming to not care, etc.

All of this is irrelevant to me so long as he produced really top rate material--and here's where we have the problem. 20Ten was a terrible album. And, the 3rdeyegirl stuff is boring to boot. And, the leaked stuff that may make it on his forthcoming album didn't impress me much either.

Your opinions about his appearance on New Girl or his Arsenio appearance are your own. I think most people enjoyed them. Your opinions of 20ten and the 3EG stuff is also individual. Plenty of stuff plays on the radio that's crap. Little has to do with quality and a lot has to do with know the record labels are promoting at any given point in time and who's going to be making the record stations money due to advertising revenue. Unfortunately age does matter for the radio world and there's diminishing returns for any artist of Prince's generation. Madonna had to work it into contract with Clear Channel to get any radio play of her last album. As soon as the contract stipulations for radio play expired the songs disappeared entirely from the charts.

I know.

His New Girl appearance and Arsenio appearance was vomitrotious. I own these opinions completely.

I think we just need to ride this out.

I mean, we'll eventuall see the fruits of his Kobalt deal, the WB deal, and of course things like 20Ten deluxe and such. Don't count Prince out yet. He did say on his Rave Un2 lead single "TGRES" that together he and Eve made the "remix a big seller."

Blixical said:

My baby is gonna do just fine.
I never doubt him. Ever.