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Reply #30 posted 07/18/14 12:11pm

mrsquirrel

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AdmiralFrenchkiss said:

Saying Lovesexy is "overproduced" is the easiest thing to say to dismiss it.

I don't see it as cluttered--I see it as an extensive collage. You can either choose to look at it as a pile of unrelated rubble or see the connecting edges perfectly. I really doubt Prince made it and thought it looked like a pile of rubble.


Every decision Prince makes is deliberate, so it comes down to taste.

Personally, I think the kind of feeling he had while making this is "anything is possible"

The feeling I have when I listen to this is discovery--I'm always hearing new things

It's an "experience" -- and Lovesexy is such an intense feeling, it's busting at the seams in every direction -- like a psychedelic trip, it is overwhelming for some people and ecstatic for others

Some of the songs have very elaborate arrangements that felt too heavy in the 80s, particularly Eye No, and at least one song (Positivity) still sounds rather tedious melodically and lyrically. It was probably the first time I felt Prince had stopped innovating and was focusing on the arrangements to repackage many previously explored ideas (Lovesexy, Glam Slam, Positivity). I always felt it sounded like a record made by someone just out of rehab, full of resolve and regrets, a palpable sadness covered with religious bliss (trying to find ecstasy "the right way, the only way").

Today it's a one of a kind record, Eye No turns out to be a gutsy statement musically, to take on that kind of ambitious arrangement and acing the test of time. Lovesexy's familiar groove is now sheer perfection (at the time, I needed Prince to rehaul his funky sound with each record, he wasn't allowed to simply refine and perfect an idea) and Glam Slam, Dance On and I Wish U Heaven have transcended their melodic simplicity. There's only Positivity that still sounds too easy and not worthy.

But you have to accept Positivity as part of an indivisible whole otherwise the message is lost! It's the perfect rasperry sorbet after over a half hour's euphoria. Admittedly if i were merely employing last fm on shuffle and having the statistics report nothing more than the quantity of artists' tracks in my collection using white noise as a probability seed, I wouldn't dial up Positivity on a whim and think "yes, this is just the hit I need", but as a languid hypnotic suffix to the Lovesexy MacGuffin I think it works pretty damn well.

"Hold on to your soul, y'all."

[Edited 7/18/14 12:19pm]

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Reply #31 posted 07/19/14 7:18am

Replica

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It's perhaps his most obviously happy go lucky feminine album after his break through as the rock star Purple Rain made him. Dirty Mind was a much more masculine album even with all the falsetto and vulnerable approach. Lovesexy is still a lot more attitude than modern kids like The Dream, Bruno Mars and Chris Brown, although they have all slightly unique styles of their own, the provide a style that sounds quite infantile. I guess infantile us the new buff or manly. It's a trend at least. Still people think Prince sounds gay. I dunno bout you, but a sensual vulnerable yet alpha and multisex approach is way more likable to me than the boyish weak and crybabies we're facing today. Sorry for going all aggressive on this, as u respect Bruno Mars for his songs and The Dream for some if his production.

lol ok you know you're going to have to delve a little deeper in how you think Prince sounds (gayer) on Lovesexy or feminine



I personally don't see any problems in being or seeming gay, and personally I don't think Prince seems gay at all to me. However I do think it's common to think he is if people don't understand his approach. It was the happy go lucky style of Lovesexy that to begin with sounded like some Avant garde Eurovision like stuff that made ne think that some people wont give it another change. Also letting The album only be available in one track forced everyone that didn't love the whole album to quit playing it.
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Reply #32 posted 07/19/14 12:03pm

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Cause that shit is awful. I have listened to it maybe 3 times since the 80's neutral

That's a bit harsh! For me it was the first time that I really didn't care for a couple of the songs on the album, namely 'Dance On' and 'Positivity'. After the heights of SOTT, I expected every track to be awesome and they just weren't. I still think it's a bold statement, packed full of ingenuity and I love the album as a whole...but it's the very first time I felt the magic was weakening. Then came the very divisive Batman soundtrack, an album that for many confirmed what they'd suspected upon hearing Lovesexy. It had been more than a blip and the amazing gush of genius was becoming a drip.

very interesting because, to me, 'dance on' is one of my favorite P tracks by a mile. that rollicking drum groove is pure genius. but, like everyone says, personal opinion! i think lovesexy is in my top five prince albums.

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Reply #33 posted 07/19/14 2:01pm

novabrkr

Aerogram said:

AdmiralFrenchkiss said:

Saying Lovesexy is "overproduced" is the easiest thing to say to dismiss it.

I don't see it as cluttered--I see it as an extensive collage. You can either choose to look at it as a pile of unrelated rubble or see the connecting edges perfectly. I really doubt Prince made it and thought it looked like a pile of rubble.


Every decision Prince makes is deliberate, so it comes down to taste.

Personally, I think the kind of feeling he had while making this is "anything is possible"

The feeling I have when I listen to this is discovery--I'm always hearing new things

It's an "experience" -- and Lovesexy is such an intense feeling, it's busting at the seams in every direction -- like a psychedelic trip, it is overwhelming for some people and ecstatic for others

Some of the songs have very elaborate arrangements that felt too heavy in the 80s, particularly Eye No, and at least one song (Positivity) still sounds rather tedious melodically and lyrically. It was probably the first time I felt Prince had stopped innovating and was focusing on the arrangements to repackage many previously explored ideas (Lovesexy, Glam Slam, Positivity). I always felt it sounded like a record made by someone just out of rehab, full of resolve and regrets, a palpable sadness covered with religious bliss (trying to find ecstasy "the right way, the only way").

Today it's a one of a kind record, Eye No turns out to be a gutsy statement musically, to take on that kind of ambitious arrangement and acing the test of time. Lovesexy's familiar groove is now sheer perfection (at the time, I needed Prince to rehaul his funky sound with each record, he wasn't allowed to simply refine and perfect an idea) and Glam Slam, Dance On and I Wish U Heaven have transcended their melodic simplicity. There's only Positivity that still sounds too easy and not worthy.

"Positivity", easy? With that weird, pitched, loud snare sound that so many whine still about, all those non-conventional, almost atonal sounds that can be heard throughout it, the unconventional song structure, Prince singing about the influence of the devil in his life in that deep voice and then bursting into that aggressive vocal delivery towards the end? I've always found it to be very artsy. In the same way as the artsier stuff on "Parade".

Oh, well, one of my favourites and I'm not able to be too critical of it, but sure, I discovered the record in 94-95 myself. Different perspective.

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Reply #34 posted 07/19/14 2:50pm

rixel

Personally, I just don't think it's a very good album. At that point in his career I think he felt he could do whatever the hell he wanted (No seperate tracks on the CD.. seriously!?) and just sort of mailed it in, creativity wise. Don't get me wrong, there are a few gems there (When 2 R in Love, Alphabet St) but over-all I think it lacks the focus of pervious efforts.

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Reply #35 posted 07/19/14 3:30pm

philmoreliz

It took me awhile to get it, except for Ana Stesia, truly one of his great songs. Love the ONA version. But the song Lovesexy is just amazing, chaotic and great. This album must be played on vinyl. The iTunes version is thin. Had to buy the record from Europe, from those cultured folks.
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Reply #36 posted 07/19/14 4:40pm

ThomasBjj

I don't understand why we keep rehashing the subject of how some fans LOVE a particular song/album and some fans HATE the same song/album.

That has been the case since ATWIAD. His music styles are SO varied and all over the place that there is bound to be SOMETHING for everyone, but RARE that everyone will LOVE it all.

This track that you HATE is my FAVORITE.

My favorite track, almost everyone else hates. again, and again, and again.

Same old same old. If his music was more consistent in style, you wouldn't have such a wide range of experiences.

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Reply #37 posted 07/19/14 4:58pm

morningsong

^ There's nothing left to do after getting whipped into a "frenzy" about all the possible music releases for nothing. Watch the grass grow and nitpick about his most popular stuff.
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Reply #38 posted 07/19/14 8:25pm

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philmoreliz said:

It took me awhile to get it, except for Ana Stesia, truly one of his great songs. Love the ONA version. But the song Lovesexy is just amazing, chaotic and great. This album must be played on vinyl. The iTunes version is thin. Had to buy the record from Europe, from those cultured folks.

i agree! i just got a mint vinyl copy of it (mine was pretty scratched and crackly) and it just sounds fantastic. so much better than the CD master. it sounds superb. i really, really love it. i've been listening to it all day, and sighing whenever i have to get up and change the side lol

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Reply #39 posted 07/20/14 8:16am

philmoreliz

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philmoreliz said:


It took me awhile to get it, except for Ana Stesia, truly one of his great songs. Love the ONA version. But the song Lovesexy is just amazing, chaotic and great. This album must be played on vinyl. The iTunes version is thin. Had to buy the record from Europe, from those cultured folks.

i agree! i just got a mint vinyl copy of it (mine was pretty scratched and crackly) and it just sounds fantastic. so much better than the CD master. it sounds superb. i really, really love it. i've been listening to it all day, and sighing whenever i have to get up and change the side lol


It makes all the difference. I wish I could get all his albums on vinyl. The CDs just suggest what the album is. Lovesexy is a great one.
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Reply #40 posted 07/20/14 10:09pm

ElCallejero

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I love the album but prince shot himself in the foot by using the cover he chose. I remember that some stores refused to sell it. "LoveSexy" is a Masterpiece regardless. I love the album and wish Prince would give us another album as great as "LoveSexy."

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There must be a reason why...
I don't know.

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Reply #41 posted 07/21/14 2:19am

CharismaDove

Lovesexy was a strange album to listen to coming after Sign 'O' the Times. But I think he did a good job. After you get a 16-track masterpiece of bass-heavy soul rock songs with a bunch of hits and the hippie peach look, what could you do next? Imo, a 9-track masterpiece of uptempo dance pop music about God is pretty damn exciting and a worthy follow up lol

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I love the album because it sounds like an opera. Prince is at the club talking about how happy he is that God is in his life (Eye No), then about how he wants to find a woman to share his happiness with down town (Alphabet Street), then how much he loves the woman and how she pleases him (Glam Slam), then a huge arena rocker about the mistakes he made in the past and how he's willing to serve the rest of his life in God's shadow (anna Stesia). Side 2 is kind of messier though. He shifts from criticizing the state of the world (Dance On) to singing about the feeling of being Lovesexy (title track), then abouut wishing your enemies well (Heaven), and finally about staying positive(Positivity).

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If you combine that with uptempo blissful pop music, dance tracks, and ballads, as well as a kick ass Lovesexy Tour, polkadots pajamas colored trousers and wavy hair well hell, Prince made a great decision with Lovesexy. I can see why people dislike it though. His God message isn't for everyone, and sometimes the music is considered inferior to his previous albums. And some ppl just plain don't like it. Overall, Lovesexy and Batman 10/10 sealed his late-eighties run

Maybe eye do, just not like eye did before pimp2
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Reply #42 posted 07/21/14 3:17am

Galaxian

Wow, I didn't realise so many disliked Lovesexy, it happens to be one of my top 3 favourite albums. Maybe some didn't 'get it'. I did.

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