I now have read the headline 3 times,

I don't understand it (I am a non english),

Is "None" = "Known"....?

Like:

Prince should have known better not to even sign back with WB.

is this what you are trying to say......

he shouldve known better than to play himself resigning with warners....is that the intent?

thedance said:

how can anyone say this if NOTHING has been released as of yet?

luvsexy4all said:

Prince signed a licensing deal with WB, not a record deal. He also got back all of his masters in exchange for WB getting to release his remastered catalog for a limited time, perhaps 5 years, maybe more. The point is Prince makes more money when he sells records now and WB gets less AND Prince owns his masters. This is what he wanted all along and he can do with them whatever he pleases. Especially when his licensing deal with WB is over. Prince did just fine. He got more than anyone could expect, (ALL of his WB masters) and he'll be making more money from his new record sales than WB will. Prince did great, actually.

isnt that all he really cared about? getting the masters....whatever it took?

luvsexy4all said:

isnt that all he really cared about? getting the masters....whatever it took?

exactly, he got what he wanted...how did heplay himself...he gonna do hm as he's always done..No record exec going to stoip that

Let's c how things turn out, shall we?

I understand that bashing WB in public b4 the whole project even started is not a good sign but he got an opportunity of getting his catalogue back and took it. What happens next well... this is world, there's no way to guess really particularly since the details of the agreement between both parties haven't been made public (yet).

steakfinger said:

Prince signed a licensing deal with WB, not a record deal. He also got back all of his masters in exchange for WB getting to release his remastered catalog for a limited time, perhaps 5 years, maybe more. The point is Prince makes more money when he sells records now and WB gets less AND Prince owns his masters. This is what he wanted all along and he can do with them whatever he pleases. Especially when his licensing deal with WB is over. Prince did just fine. He got more than anyone could expect, (ALL of his WB masters) and he'll be making more money from his new record sales than WB will. Prince did great, actually.

At the rate Prince has been releasing new albums, he's gonna be 125 years old to get any of that "money."

Hey, I'm all for Prince getting what he deserves, but while he and Warner Bros dragged their feet all these years, the market for remasters is drying up for older artists. Only the Super Huge box sets bring in any sort of real revenue. Single disc remasters are not getting people flocking to stores. As I have said over and over, go to Best Buy and look at all the Van Halen, Madonna, Aerosmith, and many other superstar remasters in the 4.99 pile. Even mighty U2 did not move too many units of their remasters.

If one of Prince's new albums is crazy good, that means 500,000 sales at best, unless there

is some ridiculous tie in with some blockbuster movie, but we know Prince can't or won't do that,

so I just don't see any deal with Warners making huge amounts of money for anyone, really.

I'm happy he owns his masters, but all along, the value of those masters got lower as each year passed. Us die hards here want to hold on to some hope that it will be a win win, but remember, Dirty Mind sold 500,000 way back when. How many of those people will buy it again? 10%? And maybe add a few people who never bought it on cd?

As wonderful as Parade was, casual pop fans did not get it at all. A remastered single Parade cd won't move that much. I'll be the first in line to buy it, and will hope for a 4 cd Parade deluxe edition...but it likely will not happen.

I find it a bit sad how everyone, ever since this deal has been announced, has been obsessed with MONEY and SALES. I mean I wasn't born yesterday and I know WB doesn't do it for the love of art and loves being a multimillionaire but IDK, some artists and even some label execs are also concerned about MUSIC and LEGACY.

As far as I'm concerned, while I'll be happy for them if and whoever involved make lots of money with all this, I'm concerned about the catalogue of a major contemporary artist being legally available in the best possible formats and sound quality for new generations to enjoy. I wish more people would see it from that angle.

Art exists by and for itself independently of money and has other social and cultural roles than just generating income.

thedance said:

databank said:

I find it a bit sad how everyone, ever since this deal has been announced, has been obsessed with MONEY and SALES. I mean I wasn't born yesterday and I know WB doesn't do it for the love of art and loves being a multimillionaire but IDK, some artists and even some label execs are also concerned about MUSIC and LEGACY.

As far as I'm concerned, while I'll be happy for them if and whoever involved make lots of money with all this, I'm concerned about the catalogue of a major contemporary artist being legally available in the best possible formats and sound quality for new generations to enjoy. I wish more people would see it from that angle.

Art exists by and for itself independently of money and has other social and cultural roles than just generating income.

how you know what he is obsessed with ., Has he come out and said " I am obsessed with ......"?

IstenSzek said:

lwr001 said:

databank said:

I find it a bit sad how everyone, ever since this deal has been announced, has been obsessed with MONEY and SALES. I mean I wasn't born yesterday and I know WB doesn't do it for the love of art and loves being a multimillionaire but IDK, some artists and even some label execs are also concerned about MUSIC and LEGACY.

As far as I'm concerned, while I'll be happy for them if and whoever involved make lots of money with all this, I'm concerned about the catalogue of a major contemporary artist being legally available in the best possible formats and sound quality for new generations to enjoy. I wish more people would see it from that angle.

Art exists by and for itself independently of money and has other social and cultural roles than just generating income.

how you know what he is obsessed with ., Has he come out and said " I am obsessed with ......"?

I meant the people on this forum, not & WB.

databank said:

I find it a bit sad how everyone, ever since this deal has been announced, has been obsessed with MONEY and SALES. I mean I wasn't born yesterday and I know WB doesn't do it for the love of art and loves being a multimillionaire but IDK, some artists and even some label execs are also concerned about MUSIC and LEGACY.

As far as I'm concerned, while I'll be happy for them if and whoever involved make lots of money with all this, I'm concerned about the catalogue of a major contemporary artist being legally available in the best possible formats and sound quality for new generations to enjoy. I wish more people would see it from that angle.

Art exists by and for itself independently of money and has other social and cultural roles than just generating income.

Money and Sales are kind of central themes for a CON-tract, right? Obviously, the music is the point for us, but for us to get remasters of all the albums, sales have to be right, and money has to be right for both parties. Money and Sales are highly relevant here. The first reissue to totally bomb may prevent the next album from coming out. That's why I hope they just release a box of all the Warners albums, and only do 2 disc deluxe versions for the top 5 selling albums anyway. This way, the diehards get every album remastered, and the casual can buy any number of the top five albums. No casual fan is itching to get their hands on a Come or Lovesexy reissue, but if they had brains, they would do backflips for a tracked and remastered masterpiece...but they simply won't care.

So, yes, money and sales will be huge with the first release. Do you know how many great TV series were only released in Season 1 or 2 on DVD, only to have several seasons never come out due to poor sales? It's a fear I have with these remasters.

in BEGIN AGAIN the girl forgoes the rec co of earning $1 for every $9 THEY earn and rleases it online for $1

Almost everyday I see re-masters, artist retrospective compilations, specialy packaged sets and the like, so you'll have to forgive me for believing that a Prince remasters/special edition series would be viable.

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Some from the top of my head: Morrissey - defintive 2 disc remaster of 'Your Arsenal' (I think), Nightmares on Wax - 'N.O.W is the time' retrospective with vinyl + 2CD option (not remastered I don't think), Smashing Pumpkins 'Adore' 7 CD set. Not saying they'll make enough money; I wouldn't know, but someone believed in them enough to get the projects to final release.

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So I'm staying on the positive side for now, time will tell, some news would be nice though.

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luvsexy4all said:

in BEGIN AGAIN the girl forgoes the rec co of earning $1 for every $9 THEY earn and rleases it online for $1

stillwaiting said:

steakfinger said:

Prince signed a licensing deal with WB, not a record deal. He also got back all of his masters in exchange for WB getting to release his remastered catalog for a limited time, perhaps 5 years, maybe more. The point is Prince makes more money when he sells records now and WB gets less AND Prince owns his masters. This is what he wanted all along and he can do with them whatever he pleases. Especially when his licensing deal with WB is over. Prince did just fine. He got more than anyone could expect, (ALL of his WB masters) and he'll be making more money from his new record sales than WB will. Prince did great, actually.

At the rate Prince has been releasing new albums, he's gonna be 125 years old to get any of that "money."

I'm talking about money from his remasters. He will get no money for his new music.

He has a distribution deal with Warners now, not a record deal. He is going to license the masters to them and he's going to take a bigger chunk of THOSE sales than WB. With Purple Rain currently selling fairly well in its old, busted form and WB taking a bigger chuck, Prince will now get more of that money. It's an increased steady income.

Musicians have rarely gotten rich on album sales. It's always the live show. The label takes most of the money from album sales. 2 million albums sold equals about $40,000 per band member for a band of four people. That's if they had a DECENT record deal. That's why labels are pushing the 360 deals now. Now labels get a chunk of touring, merch and other stuff. It's lame.

Prince is shitting in high cotton now, my friends. He won this.

databank said:

I find it a bit sad how everyone, ever since this deal has been announced, has been obsessed with MONEY and SALES.

Welcome to the 80's. I think people are conditioned that way since so much content is marketed because of the budget, or the profit, or the way someone is a zillion selling platinum recording artist. It's the same reason people care if a blockbuster film cost 4 billion to make and raked in 10 trillion in it's first weekend at the box office. I think in Prince's case, people are just eager for him to get back to making commercially viable music again, because there's a hope it will mean some better quality Prince.

BUT >>whaT DOES HE owe THEM FOR THE MASTER DEAL????

ur theory is worse than the title to ur fucking thread

Scotsman1999 said:

luvsexy4all said:

in BEGIN AGAIN the girl forgoes the rec co of earning $1 for every $9 THEY earn and rleases it online for $1

That was a cool little film, saw it recently. I'd like to see Prince jump out the back of a van and setup a recording session down a back alley!! Without this site I'd have known nothing of Prince's deal with WB, let alone badmouthing them. The real world doesn't seem to care so he can do what he wants.

she chose to make the same money and fuck the rec co at the same time....

thedance said:

I now have read the headline 3 times,

I don't understand it (I am a non english),

Is "None" = "Known"....?

Like:

Prince should have known better not to even sign back with WB.

is this what you are trying to say......

I thought it was me
You know how many times i've read the title and was like HUH!!?!