After the first weeks I listen 2010 less and less. There are some nice tracks on, but it lacks the "album" vibe. Imho.

Romeoblu said:

Great album. Even better if you include Laydown extended, Rich Friends and Cause and Effect.

No, those songs would water it down immensely. I'm happy that they 're not on the album.

Romeoblu said:

Great album. Even better if you include Laydown extended, Rich Friends and Cause and Effect. Begining Endlessly and Future Soul Song are the real standouts. These are grade A top drawer Prince Songs.

I think Rich Friends fits nicely on it. I've not heard Laydown extended.

lezama said:

Love this album, there's a couple songs that don't blow me away, but overall I feel this is a strong album if not just for Future Soul Song alone.

It was kind of Mplsound, Pt. II. I like Mplsound much better but 20ten is a decent little album with a few great songs in it (Lavaux is THE jam!). I've always found that there was something anecdotic in this album, though: Mplsound was wild and sexy, 20ten was more like a collection of demos from the vault but I'm sure glad as hell to have it instead of it rotting in the vault

Tittypants said:

I've said it before on this site [more than a couple of times ], but '20TEN' suffers from poor mixing & mastering. I really don't think it's that bad of an album otherwise. Better mixing & mastering, I'd deem it a much better experience, for the most part.

I agree with this, it's flat and lifeless. I don't particularly like the album, but the couple of songs on it that are halfway decent sound empty and dull.

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It's another poor post-Warners directionless effort overall and those linn drum samples are a red herring - the album I find it shares most in common with sonically is NPS. Another wank-job put out just because and for no other reason.

Nope, it doesn't hold up well. It's a sucky album which contains only two or three songs worthy of repeated listening.

Based on what I've heard recently, it could be his last "good" album. As far as post-2000 output I like it better than everything except maybe Lotusflower.

a classic

I dig it for the most part, with the exception of Future Soul Song and Walk in Sand. Beginning Endlessly and Act of God are two of my favorit post-2000 P tracks.

jasminejoey said:

I dig it for the most part, with the exception of Future Soul Song and Walk in Sand. Beginning Endlessly and Act of God are two of my favorit post-2000 P tracks.

What do you dislike about Future Soul song? Just curious.

Wish that I had the actual disc to listen to. I rather like the songs especially Act of GOD!!!

Compassion 6.5/10

Beginning Endlessly 8/10

Future Soul Song 9/10

Sticky Like Glue 8.5/10

Act Of God 8/10

Lavaux 8/10

Walk In Sand 6/10

Sea Of Everything 5/10

Everybody Loves Me 7.5/10

Laydown 7/10

ufoclub said:

jasminejoey said:

I dig it for the most part, with the exception of Future Soul Song and Walk in Sand. Beginning Endlessly and Act of God are two of my favorit post-2000 P tracks.

What do you dislike about Future Soul song? Just curious.

It's cloying.

Of the ten songs I like five.

Which isn't bad IMO to only like 50%.

If this was the 1990's and there were singles

with

b-sides and remixes accompanying it

I would probably think very highly of

20Ten.

It coulda been a contender.

Also I think having Laydown as a hidden track

was not helpful.

NouveauDance said:

SuperSoulFighter said:

Hmmm... While I don't like New Power Soul any mire than you do, I think it was put out for a reason: he had just hooked up with Larry & Chaka and wanted to put that good feeling of playing with them on record. Plus showing they were free now!

Yeah, that sentence could've been worded better - the "Another wank job put out for no reason" was aimed at 20Ten, sowee.

funkaholic1972 said:

Tittypants said:

I've said it before on this site [more than a couple of times ], but '20TEN' suffers from poor mixing & mastering. I really don't think it's that bad of an album otherwise. Better mixing & mastering, I'd deem it a much better experience, for the most part.

Yeah, I think if the songs would have a 'bigger/fuller' production they would sound better than they do now. Would be interesting to have it mixed again by a big boy in the industry who really knows what he is doing.

You guys are a bunch of funny people...

When songs sound stripped down, you think they need production.

When they have production they are deemed overproduced and you wish for a stripped down sound.

Marco81 said:

funkaholic1972 said:

Yeah, I think if the songs would have a 'bigger/fuller' production they would sound better than they do now. Would be interesting to have it mixed again by a big boy in the industry who really knows what he is doing.

You guys are a bunch of funny people...

When songs sound stripped down, you think they need production.

When they have production they are deemed overproduced and you wish for a stripped down sound.

I, personally, said nothing about adding anything to the songs on this album. I referred to how poorly the album is mixed & mastered. It sounds flat. There are no dynamics whatsoever. The "mix" sounds amateurish [if it's even mixed or mastered @ all], so it takes away from the music. Maybe you need to learn what "Mixing" & "Mastering" of music means.

Marco81 said:

funkaholic1972 said:

Yeah, I think if the songs would have a 'bigger/fuller' production they would sound better than they do now. Would be interesting to have it mixed again by a big boy in the industry who really knows what he is doing.

You guys are a bunch of funny people...

When songs sound stripped down, you think they need production.

When they have production they are deemed overproduced and you wish for a stripped down sound.

That is not what I was saying, nor what I meant. All songs that have been released in some format have "production". But there is a difference between let's say a bedroom producer who records a nice song in a nice arrangement, but is still sounds flat and unprofessional because of a poor mix and poor processing of the individual sounds, and poor mastering (or no mastering at al). A professional artist is either able to give his song a good mix and the right (amount of) effects to make it sound full and professional (like most stuff released by big artists), or hires a pro to do this for him.

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A stripped down (sparse) arrangement can still have a full sound, often achieved by the use of reverb and delay and other effects. "Kiss" and "Black Sweat" are good examples IMHO. The drums sound fat and interesting in those tunes because they were processed with effects in useful ways, whereas the drum sound on 20Ten is much flatter an dryer. Less processed and less fat sounding.

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An example of overproduction would be "Thunder", or some songs from albums like "LoveSexy" and the "Symbol" album. In songs like that the arrangements are too busy, with lots of added bells and whistles, which detracts from the basic quality of these songs. IMHO of course...

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Basically what I (and probably Tittypants) mean is that 20Ten is quite a good album as far as arrangements and songwriting is concerned, but it could have been better if the overall "sound" (mix/effects/mastering) was done in a different way.

OK, Tittypants beat me to it!

Overall I like the album

But I'm the type of person that tries to find a cohesive direction if possible especially in connection ot the title/title track. 20Ten and the songs I don't find a connection direction over all.

But I do prefer this album over Minneapolis sound

I listen to songs from this album regularly

Even more simple:

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Underproduction: when a song is not done justice because it hasn't been arranged and/or mixed (including effects) and mastered right. It sounds flat and not "alive" enough, and that diminishes the enjoyment that you can get from that song.

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Overproduction: too many bells and whistles in the arrangement and/or too much processing and effects used in the mix of the song. And/or bad mastering (loudness war). To the point where it distracts from the actual song in an annoying way.

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Good production: the song is done justice because it was arranged, mixed and mastered in a pleasant way, with enough processing involved to make it sound "alive" and professional, without unnessecary stuff in the mix or arrangement that distracts from the actual song.

[Edited 7/17/14 12:00pm]

funkaholic1972 said:

Even more simple:

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Underproduction: when a song is not done justice because it hasn't been arranged and/or mixed (including effects) and mastered right. It sounds flat and not "alive" enough, and that diminishes the enjoyment that you can get from that song.

-

Overproduction: too many bells and whistles in the arrangement and/or too much processing and effects used in the mix of the song. And/or bad mastering (loudness war). To the point where it distracts from the actual song in an annoying way.

-

Good production: the song is done justice because it was arranged, mixed and mastered in a pleasant way, with enough processing involved to make it sound "alive" and professional, without unnessecary stuff in the mix or arrangement that distracts from the actual song.

[Edited 7/17/14 12:00pm]

It saddens me that we even have to explain this [over & over] every time any one if us [audio heads] brings this up.....

Tittypants said:

funkaholic1972 said:

Even more simple:

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Underproduction: when a song is not done justice because it hasn't been arranged and/or mixed (including effects) and mastered right. It sounds flat and not "alive" enough, and that diminishes the enjoyment that you can get from that song.

-

Overproduction: too many bells and whistles in the arrangement and/or too much processing and effects used in the mix of the song. And/or bad mastering (loudness war). To the point where it distracts from the actual song in an annoying way.

-

Good production: the song is done justice because it was arranged, mixed and mastered in a pleasant way, with enough processing involved to make it sound "alive" and professional, without unnessecary stuff in the mix or arrangement that distracts from the actual song.

[Edited 7/17/14 12:00pm]

It saddens me that we even have to explain this [over & over] every time any one if us [audio heads] brings this up.....

It involves a lot of patience, for sure, but maybe one day it will pay off!