treehouse said:

GeorginaMcG said:

I'd love him to perform 'Head'live again; I can't think of anything greater!

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I kinda don't picture him doing that even if he was airing out all the smut again. The funny thing is, he's plenty naughty as it is. I mean, what can he do, stop singing innuendos in Pop Life, or making vulgar shadow puppets during the Super Bowl?

yeah we know itll never happen....but "Imagine" if he did...ya cant say it wouldnt be the coolest for him 2 do songs like "Head" "Erotic City" "Pussy Control" etc...live...imagine how wild the crowd would go?...imagine how electric the air would be?......then end it with "PLAY THAT MUTHA-FUCKING BASS!" haha

[quoteOptimus2 said: treehouse said: . I kinda don't picture him doing that even if he was airing out all the smut again. The funny thing is, he's plenty naughty as it is. I mean, what can he do, stop singing innuendos in Pop Life, or making vulgar shadow puppets during the Super Bowl? yeah we know itll never happen....but "Imagine" if he did...ya cant say it wouldnt be the coolest for him 2 do songs like "Head" "Erotic City" "Pussy Control" etc...live...imagine how wild the crowd would go?...imagine how electric the air would be?......then end it with "PLAY THAT MUTHA-FUCKING BASS!" haha

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] Like it will never happen, but if it did i have to agree with you it'd be the most amazing thing ever! There are so many of his older songs that i know he'd never play now, but would almost definitely please every fan of his! It's strange (unfortunate?) how much he has changed in what he includes in his lyrics now to back then. I mean i'll always love him, but imagining him to play songs like that now, oh my god! It'd be one of the coolest things ever! Or even if he still released those types of songs, i mean i didn't think it was posible for me to be bigger fan of his than i am now, but if he did that... he'd please every one of his fans! Then again, Prince does as he likes, when he likes, so no doubt pleasing fans wouldn't be something he'd particularly be thinking about when considering doing something like that. What other people want Prince to do, is NEVER high on his agenda, im sure we all know that.

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Optimus2 said:

treehouse said:

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I kinda don't picture him doing that even if he was airing out all the smut again. The funny thing is, he's plenty naughty as it is. I mean, what can he do, stop singing innuendos in Pop Life, or making vulgar shadow puppets during the Super Bowl?

yeah we know itll never happen....but "Imagine" if he did...ya cant say it wouldnt be the coolest for him 2 do songs like "Head" "Erotic City" "Pussy Control" etc...live...imagine how wild the crowd would go?...imagine how electric the air would be?......then end it with "PLAY THAT MUTHA-FUCKING BASS!" haha

he's proved that he dont need to be THAT way anymore...

luvsexy4all said:

he's proved that he dont need to be THAT way anymore...

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He has? Not commercially. Nor is he suceeding at being safe for the truly devout.

Would a JW bible camp pay a stop to a Prince show?

Is he the toast of the Christian or even JW communities now?

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Cursing in entertainment is a cheap crutch, so it takes skill to have a career dependent on crass material... but it's too late for Prince.

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And perpetuating this notion that his work is pornographic and needs censoring, is baffling to me. But hey, I'm also the kind of idiot who figures if we're hiding Prince from our baby boomer parents, it probably runs in the family, and they're just hiding their Rudy Ray Moore records from us.

OK I have to say this, as it seems a lot of people on this forum don't quite understand the process of remastering...

Remastering is taking the original 2-track tapes, converting to digital format and then mastering for a modern sound - usually involves removing hiss and making it a bit louder. Mastering is done to clean out frequencies and make the overall sound a bit nicer (or worse if done poorly, see Duran Duran's recent remasters).

This is not remixing.

In order to remove any lyrics from his recordings, Prince would have to go back to the tapes before they were bounced down to 2 tracks, then mix the tracks, then master.

Warner aren't going to pay for that to happen and neither is Prince. Not to mention his voice does not sound like it did 30 years ago, so any new vocals would stick out very obviously

At the absolute most, he could record some replacement words and add them over top, but anything already in the mix will be staying.

starguitar said:

This is not remixing.

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It sure can be.

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It's also not unheard of to create radio friendly mixes.

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No idea what's going to happen, but WB does have the resources to approach this any way they want, or need to.

treehouse said:

starguitar said:

This is not remixing.

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It sure can be.

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It's also not unheard of to create radio friendly mixes.

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No idea what's going to happen, but WB does have the resources to approach this any way they want, or need to.

Radio friendly mixes get made at the same time as the other mixes. They also generally get mastered for radio.

Nowhere in the press release does it say anything about remixing any of the albums.

Sure, WB have the resources. But can you really see them spending more on this than they have to?

starguitar said:

OK I have to say this, as it seems a lot of people on this forum don't quite understand the process of remastering...

Remastering is taking the original 2-track tapes, converting to digital format and then mastering for a modern sound - usually involves removing hiss and making it a bit louder. Mastering is done to clean out frequencies and make the overall sound a bit nicer (or worse if done poorly, see Duran Duran's recent remasters).

This is not remixing.

In order to remove any lyrics from his recordings, Prince would have to go back to the tapes before they were bounced down to 2 tracks, then mix the tracks, then master.

Warner aren't going to pay for that to happen and neither is Prince. Not to mention his voice does not sound like it did 30 years ago, so any new vocals would stick out very obviously

At the absolute most, he could record some replacement words and add them over top, but anything already in the mix will be staying.

has the original tapes at home at Paisley Park, he could easily alter them any way he wants before well, not remastering then but creating a new master, I guess that's what he did when he altered some old tracks on NPGMC, replacing profanities by some scratches. But doing it on remasters would be such nonsense that he won't do it.

databank said:

starguitar said:

OK I have to say this, as it seems a lot of people on this forum don't quite understand the process of remastering...

Remastering is taking the original 2-track tapes, converting to digital format and then mastering for a modern sound - usually involves removing hiss and making it a bit louder. Mastering is done to clean out frequencies and make the overall sound a bit nicer (or worse if done poorly, see Duran Duran's recent remasters).

This is not remixing.

In order to remove any lyrics from his recordings, Prince would have to go back to the tapes before they were bounced down to 2 tracks, then mix the tracks, then master.

Warner aren't going to pay for that to happen and neither is Prince. Not to mention his voice does not sound like it did 30 years ago, so any new vocals would stick out very obviously

At the absolute most, he could record some replacement words and add them over top, but anything already in the mix will be staying.

has the original tapes at home at Paisley Park, he could easily alter them any way he wants before well, not remastering then but creating a new master, I guess that's what he did when he altered some old tracks on NPGMC, replacing profanities by some scratches. But doing it on remasters would be such nonsense that he won't do it.

That's kind of what I am getting at - imagine how many of his songs have profanities in them and the amount of time and effort it would take to alter those. I can't imagine him being bothered, considering he loses interest in every project after a bit of time

starguitar said:

Radio friendly mixes get made at the same time as the other mixes. They also generally get mastered for radio.

Nowhere in the press release does it say anything about remixing any of the albums.

Sure, WB have the resources. But can you really see them spending more on this than they have to?

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Yeah, in 2014 that's how it's done now but nobody did it that way then. Don't forget, these records were recorded before parental advisories were standarized. Purple Rain was got a warning sticker for some stores, but artists were still fighting them.

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The WB press release makes no mention of what engineering techniques will be utilized. Why would it? Remixing or going back to the multitracks happens.

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starguitar said:

imagine how many of his songs have profanities in them and the amount of time and effort it would take to alter those.

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I'm not arguing that it's likely to be done, but there is always the wild possibility that Prince thinks the records need to be remastered in large part to benefit from being edited clean.

treehouse said:

starguitar said:

imagine how many of his songs have profanities in them and the amount of time and effort it would take to alter those.

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I'm not arguing that it's likely to be done, but there is always the wild possibility that Prince thinks the records need to be remastered in large part to benefit from being edited clean.

Again - that's not remastering - that is remixing.

Here is a great case for you - The Beatles.

Arguably the biggest selling act of all time and their recordings are rife with mistakes and glitches. Did they go back and remix everything to take them out? Nope, just remastered them to improve the sound quality. John Lennon swearing in Hey Jude is still there.
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Remixing the albums would take a lot longer and a lot of money. Some artists do it, for sure, so I'm not ruling it out. I would just be surprised because WB aren't going to be making millions from this and there would be A LOT of song to remix. Theoretically, Prince doesn't even have to be involved with these releases whatsoever (see New Order reissues). I actually totally expect that once the reissues are finished, Prince will label them terrible and that now he has his masters he will reissue them again himself. Then we'll get all the censoring and whatnot.

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BTW I'm pretty sure the press release says "re-mastered deluxe edition of Purple Rain" but then doesn't say anything about the other albums. So yeah, you could be right.

starguitar said:

Theoretically, Prince doesn't even have to be involved with these releases whatsoever (see New Order reissues).

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Okay so that's one thing we'll agree on.

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You're a bit off on the terminology though.

Remastering projects have included full multitrack mixdowns... the masters aren't always available, splices get damaged, there's bleed through, mold, decay, and the multitracks are the pure recordings when available...recreating the tracks isn't remixing....creating a surround mix isn't remixing...these are different arts....there's secondary market of weirdo engineers that license "remasters" which are simply filtered home recordings, but a proper remaster project does involve a lot of trickery, and laborious problem solving.

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The Beatles....wellll, you could have also mentioned the Byrds remaster that did go back to multis.

Essentially the Beatles mono mixes were multitracks, because they're split...and not for nothing, but there are digital files floating around of the multitracks all of a sudden, and not just the Rock Band game tracks...but would you want the scrutiny of replacing George Martin's original mix, duplicating his phasing effects, and all that? You simply couldn't. The original engineering is as respected as the songwriting. Why would you lose swearing during Hey Jude or any other sound? If anything you would gain new sounds if you're not careful.

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