Stymie said:

nursev said:

I may curse every now and then but some orgers take it to a personal level. Some folks have called Prince everything but a child of God and that just shouldn't be allowed.

I agree with this. I have even used those exact words here before. The only beef I have is that, if things are changing, we should be told.

If Ben has decided this is going to be a kinder, friendlier place, it's his right to do so. Censorship blows though.

I agree that if the rules have changed then orgers should be informed. Yes censorship is bad but some of this stuff borders of just being cruel. Folks shouldn't be allowed to get on here and post derogatory remarks about Prince. That's taking it too far.

Stymie said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

actually it has

Prince has been flamed on this site forever. There was a recent thread stating he is an asshole. Whether you guys think that is good or bad, the point is, flaming has been allowed.

There have been posts that were not snipped of people telling Prince to go fuck himself, fuck off and any variation thereof. To state otherwise is just not true. If that is not going to the case going forward, just change the rule and post it to the official rules.

some of this just goes to far, censoring is one thing, we aren't censoring people. People have their opinions about stuff. Sometimes it's just too much, give an opinion, communicate. "Prince can fuck himself" is not anything constructive. We had someone recently wish death on Prince, I mean come on...Sometimes the Bitch out thread are just overwhelming

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But anyone who has issues with the Moderators decision should take it up with the Mod. But I back him on that.

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Prince shutting down people who admire him (artists) who actually emulated Prince, can only help point to Prince's legacy. I think he's doing himself a disservice.

NinaB said:

Stymie said:

Since when? People have been calling Prince names since I came on this site 15 years ago.

I do understand that the mods can do whatever they choose to do around here (apparently). However, if the rules have changed, please have the decency to let us know.

For the record, I do not like when people call Prince out of his name, never liked it, and have spoken out against it. For the most part, this place has existed without a certain level of censorship.

Rules haven't changed, it falls under this one

Moderators have final say.
prince.org administrators and moderators reserve the right to edit, relocate and/or remove any message, at any time, for any reason. Consider all editing decisions final...

as far as FDeluxe goes Prince wrote the songs so he can do what he wants with the material. The flipside to that is that by constantly shutting sites down he is essentially writing his work out of history. He wants people to forget about him and unfortunately they have. Some people will never know that the beautiful song they love was written by Prince

You guys act like Prince is sitting around on the internet looking for people to harrass. He has people employed to protect his copyrights, and they're just doing their job. Move on.

lezama said:

You guys act like Prince is sitting around on the internet looking for people to harrass. He has people employed to protect his copyrights, and they're just doing their job. Move on.

yeah...their gonna shut him right oughtta history

OldFriends4Sale said:

Stymie said:

Prince has been flamed on this site forever. There was a recent thread stating he is an asshole. Whether you guys think that is good or bad, the point is, flaming has been allowed.

There have been posts that were not snipped of people telling Prince to go fuck himself, fuck off and any variation thereof. To state otherwise is just not true. If that is not going to the case going forward, just change the rule and post it to the official rules.

some of this just goes to far, censoring is one thing, we aren't censoring people. People have their opinions about stuff. Sometimes it's just too much, give an opinion, communicate. "Prince can fuck himself" is not anything constructive. We had someone recently wish death on Prince, I mean come on...Sometimes the Bitch out thread are just overwhelming

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But anyone who has issues with the Moderators decision should take it up with the Mod. But I back him on that.

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Prince shutting down people who admire him (artists) who actually emulated Prince, can only help point to Prince's legacy. I think he's doing himself a disservice.

Your point is well taken. Thank you for the explanation.

lezama said:

You guys act like Prince is sitting around on the internet looking for people to harrass. He has people employed to protect his copyrights, and they're just doing their job. Move on.

This is interesting. I've always wondered. I mean I know he's not chasing down his own songs on YT every day by himself but in the case of the Let's Go Crazy baby he reprotedly signaled the vid himself. I wouldn't consider him being personally behind it when it comes 2 supressing vids posted by fans but when it's about taking the Mia Bocca vid outta Jill's Myspace page or signaling fDeluxe's account I think there's a possibility that he gave the order.

On the oher hand there have been odd occurences, sucb for example as the R&R Affair being suppressed from Purple Music's YT account after a complain from Controversy Music. His own ex label! Was it a stupid employee who didn't even realize what he was doing? Those things happen. TTD's video for She Kissed Me has been blocked by some stupid copyright agency on his own channel. But in that case how come it wasn't solved by Purple Music? Or was it 's "polite" way to let Purple Music know that the promotion of the song was over and that their partnership was over as well instead of just sending them an nice email asking 4 the video 2 be withdrawn?

Anyway the point is indeed that he's not "harrassing people", he's protecting his copyright. He hasn't "shut down" fDeluxe's account, what happened is that there were at least 3 litigious songs and YT's policy is that after 3 complaints ur account is deleted. Now of course one could think that since we're talking about people who used to be both his employees and friends (and even girlfriend for Susannah and Jill), he could instruct his staff that former associates are allowed to post their own old videos or cover versions of the songs he gave them without being annoyed. That's what I'd do, that's probably what most people would do. But on the other hand maybe it could be a flaw for them to use in order to make demands on the masters so 's lawyers told him not b nice.

nursev said:

lezama said:

You guys act like Prince is sitting around on the internet looking for people to harrass. He has people employed to protect his copyrights, and they're just doing their job. Move on.

yeah...their gonna shut him right oughtta history

Actually that is a truthful scary thought.

Sheila E, the Time, the Family will only point to Prince, and they ESPECIALLY the Family have been very respectful of the Family's place in Prince's catalogue. Susannah has been in communication with Prince since the Musicology days. But Alan Leeds & Paul Peterson both were communicating with Prince coming up to the decision to do an album. They also wanted to do a song or 2 with Prince. If Susannah inspired many of the songs on that album, then open you heart open your mind to respecting the connection they share(d).

When the Time & Sheila E perform music they definately in various ways point to Prince's legacy. None of the band/proteges after 1990 point to Prince they way those in that time period did.

Prince gettig ownership of his master recordings from the WB now.Plus still having strict control of the names of his past proteges & recordings he did with them during his time @ the WB, to me will coincide with a BIGGER plan he has. He wants FULL credit for what he created and should profit from owning the masters of EVERYTHING! So now that he has TOTAL control, In time U will see why he has the purple police shutting everything down.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince gettig ownership of his master recordings from the WB now.Plus still having strict control of the names of his past proteges & recordings he did with them during his time @ the WB, to me will coincide with a BIGGER plan he has. He wants FULL credit for what he created and should profit from owning the masters of EVERYTHING! So now that he has TOTAL control, In time U will see why he has the purple police shutting everything down.

I'm totally convinced that had plans for the whole catalogue indeed. But I know the dude and I also know that he changes his mind as often as his underwear, particularly when/if things don't go the way he wanted them 2 go in the 1st place, so I won't believe it until I c it ^^

come on guys,stop dreaming Prince ain't gonna do nothing with those protege albums.I doubt that he has any future plans to remaster/reissue that music.He just likes to assert his CONTROL over that music.It's an ego thing (as is always the case when it comes to Prince).

databank said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince gettig ownership of his master recordings from the WB now.Plus still having strict control of the names of his past proteges & recordings he did with them during his time @ the WB, to me will coincide with a BIGGER plan he has. He wants FULL credit for what he created and should profit from owning the masters of EVERYTHING! So now that he has TOTAL control, In time U will see why he has the purple police shutting everything down.

I'm totally convinced that O( > had plans for the whole catalogue indeed. But I know the dude and I also know that he changes his mind as often as his underwear, particularly when/if things don't go the way he wanted them 2 go in the 1st place, so I won't believe it until I c it ^^

Eye like how U use the symbol 4 his name! Eye got torn apart here 4 using it! So now Eye'm going back to it....

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

databank said:

I'm totally convinced that O( > had plans for the whole catalogue indeed. But I know the dude and I also know that he changes his mind as often as his underwear, particularly when/if things don't go the way he wanted them 2 go in the 1st place, so I won't believe it until I c it ^^

Eye like how U use the symbol 4 his name! Eye got torn apart here 4 using it! So now Eye'm going back to it....

I was pissed when he reverted back to "Prince". I like "", 4 me he'll always b

SoulAlive said:

come on guys,stop dreaming Prince ain't gonna do nothing with those protege albums.I doubt that he has any future plans to remaster/reissue that music.He just likes to assert his CONTROL over that music.It's an ego thing (as is always the case when it comes to Prince).

Why wouldn't he? People keep forgetting that he -rightly- considers them his albums just as much as the "Prince" albums. So maybe he won't do a thing with his whole discography at all after a few big remasters with WB, maybe after PR, 1999, SOTT and D&P r rereleased he'll move on and let the whole catalogue die in the vault. But if he's eventually gonna take proper care of his back catalogue and make it available as a whole it'll include the side projects. I don't think there's a big difference between ATWIAD and The Family in his heart: both r his babies. People perceive those albums as being kind of "non canon" just because doesn't SING on them, the same way they say NPS is a album and Gold Nigga and Exodus aren't. This is really an egocentric view from the outside that doesn't have a clue about what a creative process is about. 4 one thing DID sing on those records, his versions of the songs just didn't make the cut because another vocalist was to replace him in the end. 4 another thing, to take the NPG albums as the significant example they are, Gold Nigga and Exodus r no less albums than NPS despite fans claiming all the time that the first 2 aren't "legitimate" in a discography and the third is. He design the full concept for each of those albums, composed them, wrote the lyrics, arranged them, recorded them, edited them, decided on the tracklist, oversaw the mix, oversaw the art, oversaw the release and marketing, etc. Those albums are his artistic vision, his conception from A 2 Z and 2 him the fact that someone else is singing isn't more significant than having John Blackwell playing the drums instead of him on TRC. But seeing all this from their very distant and ignorant (no offense) point of view people think "oh he doesn't sing so it's not the same". Well, it is. Whether u like it or not, it is. U can keep denying it until the end of time, it won't change the fact that it is.

Oh,I agree with you....these albums should be remastered.But this is Prince we're talking about since when does he ever do what we really "want" him to do? LOL.It took all these decades to get him to finallly start remastering his own albums! I doubt that he's sitting around thinking "hmmm,maybe I should work on an Apollonia 6 remaster...that should bring in a few more bucks,too"

SoulAlive said:

Oh,I agree with you....these albums should be remastered.But this is Prince we're talking about since when does he ever do what we really "want" him to do? LOL.It took all these decades to get him to finallly start remastering his own albums! I doubt that he's sitting around thinking "hmmm,maybe I should work on an Apollonia 6 remaster...that should bring in a few more bucks,too"

Well, look how he regularly per4ms songs by The Time, Sheila, Vanity 6 and The Family on stage (live or thru the sampler set)... Isn't this a statement of sorts? He definitely has those albums in mind or he wouldn't pick up those songs when he's got a catalogue of about 500 released "Prince" songs 2 choose from. And he definitely got the masters he hadn't gotten back in 94 back from WB alongside the "Prince" masters this year, that's 4 sure.

So yeah I think he's definitely sitting around thinking about his A6 remaster. Thing is he's been waiting for 20 years 4 those masters so it's not like he's in a rush, and as I said there's no guarantee that a proper archives/remaster program will be put in place. We may just get a random album here and there every 2 years or so. We may just get nothing after PR until the day dies. Or we may have a proper archives program, somehow, at some point, not necessarly in 2015 but eventually. Maybe even some of it will be digital only, since after all this is now the dominant 4mat and each passing year will c physical sales diminish. But if -and I say if- we do have such a program, the side projects will definitely be part of it.

I hope you're right

njemelbourne said:

Happened to head over to the FDeluxe site to purchase a copy of Gaslight on LP and once I had completed the transaction I clicked on their YouTube icon (from their main page) and discovered their YT page had been stripped of all content and videos. All that was left was the following statement from YouTube:

YouTube account fDeluxeVideos has been terminated because we received multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement from claimants including: Controversy Music

Seems more than a little petty. I don't think P can fully understand just how much respect he loses in the eyes of his fans over this sort of behaviour.

Or maybe he doesn't care.

A damn pity. Have been really enthusiastic about all the recent news on Prince.

Shouldn't be a surprise you know that copyright infringement is really hurting Controversy Music and/or Prince!

Prince doesnt know what he wants from one day to the next. And the people around him are completely baffled by everything. As for the fans? We know even less. All in all, we are all following a man who thinks he has everything under control but really doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Prince-world is an exo-planet so far removed from this world, it is in another universe altogether. The man is slowly crashing and burning into complete obscurity.

Rebeljuice said:

Prince doesnt know what he wants from one day to the next. And the people around him are completely baffled by everything. As for the fans? We know even less. All in all, we are all following a man who thinks he has everything under control but really doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Prince-world is an exo-planet so far removed from this world, it is in another universe altogether. The man is slowly crashing and burning into complete obscurity.

Yes, he is crashing into obscurity because the public cannot obtain his music for free. He is working to get the music reissued which is the best manner to not become obscure. It is his property not FXDeluxe what whould be the point of putting out a reisusse to sell if people are going to listen for free.

Mean while get over to the concert forum and read about all of the people getting out to Prince concerts since you think he is so obsurce. If some of you were running things for Prince he would be bankrupt due to giving shit away for free.

lezama said:

You guys act like Prince is sitting around on the internet looking for people to harrass. He has people employed to protect his copyrights, and they're just doing their job. Move on.

Well, every Sunday night, he scans his computer looking for a fight. I mean site.

Won't bother.

[Edited 6/5/14 11:46am]

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince gettig ownership of his master recordings from the WB now.Plus still having strict control of the names of his past proteges & recordings he did with them during his time @ the WB, to me will coincide with a BIGGER plan he has. He wants FULL credit for what he created and should profit from owning the masters of EVERYTHING! So now that he has TOTAL control, In time U will see why he has the purple police shutting everything down.

Hey, if Prince wants FULL CREDIT then release the FULL PRINCE version--however, those tracks use other voices and other players, and don't sound the way they did as just Prince recordings. Prince has rights, of course--and he can protect those rights. And who's not giving him credit? And if he wants money from the things, make them available. Then he gets what he has a right to. The current performers still get some promo (they're the ones working the songs and making them matter now--when he does them, they're usually not worth hearing--and they're the ones whose recordings have to be bought for him to get royalties).

But he's got big plans. BIG PLANS!! BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG!!!! TOTAL CONTROL. OWNING EVERYTHING.

Whatever plans he has, I cannot see how they would be hurt by allowing the videos. He's not hurt if they're up, the other people might be hurt if they're removed (and since everything they had up wasn't his, "protecting his rights" did hurt them in ways that had nothing to do with his rights).

databank said:

SoulAlive said:

Oh,I agree with you....these albums should be remastered.But this is Prince we're talking about since when does he ever do what we really "want" him to do? LOL.It took all these decades to get him to finallly start remastering his own albums! I doubt that he's sitting around thinking "hmmm,maybe I should work on an Apollonia 6 remaster...that should bring in a few more bucks,too"

Well, look how he regularly per4ms songs by The Time, Sheila, Vanity 6 and The Family on stage (live or thru the sampler set)... Isn't this a statement of sorts? He definitely has those albums in mind or he wouldn't pick up those songs when he's got a catalogue of about 500 released "Prince" songs 2 choose from. And he definitely got the masters he hadn't gotten back in 94 back from WB alongside the "Prince" masters this year, that's 4 sure.

So yeah I think he's definitely sitting around thinking about his A6 remaster. Thing is he's been waiting for 20 years 4 those masters so it's not like he's in a rush, and as I said there's no guarantee that a proper archives/remaster program will be put in place. We may just get a random album here and there every 2 years or so. We may just get nothing after PR until the day dies. Or we may have a proper archives program, somehow, at some point, not necessarly in 2015 but eventually. Maybe even some of it will be digital only, since after all this is now the dominant 4mat and each passing year will c physical sales diminish. But if -and I say if- we do have such a program, the side projects will definitely be part of it.

Yes, Prince thinks of the "associated artist" albums as his albums. I think of them as his albums. I hope they're remastered and get the full treatment. I don't know that they have anything to do with the Warners/Prince deal that's happened, though--who owns those recordings, who would be the creator legally--writing the songs, performing the songs, producing the songs, being credited with the songs--which of those amounts to being the one to get ownership of the masters? Who had which contracts with Warners?

EddieC said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince gettig ownership of his master recordings from the WB now.Plus still having strict control of the names of his past proteges & recordings he did with them during his time @ the WB, to me will coincide with a BIGGER plan he has. He wants FULL credit for what he created and should profit from owning the masters of EVERYTHING! So now that he has TOTAL control, In time U will see why he has the purple police shutting everything down.

Hey, if Prince wants FULL CREDIT then release the FULL PRINCE version--however, those tracks use other voices and other players, and don't sound the way they did as just Prince recordings. Prince has rights, of course--and he can protect those rights. And who's not giving him credit? And if he wants money from the things, make them available. Then he gets what he has a right to. The current performers still get some promo (they're the ones working the songs and making them matter now--when he does them, they're usually not worth hearing--and they're the ones whose recordings have to be bought for him to get royalties).

But he's got big plans. BIG PLANS!! BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG!!!! TOTAL CONTROL. OWNING EVERYTHING.

Whatever plans he has, I cannot see how they would be hurt by allowing the videos. He's not hurt if they're up, the other people might be hurt if they're removed (and since everything they had up wasn't his, "protecting his rights" did hurt them in ways that had nothing to do with his rights).

Maybe when Prince opens his video network he mentioned a few years ago. He will reinstate them and everybody will be back happy again...After his BIG BIG PLANS.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince gettig ownership of his master recordings from the WB now.Plus still having strict control of the names of his past proteges & recordings he did with them during his time @ the WB, to me will coincide with a BIGGER plan he has. He wants FULL credit for what he created and should profit from owning the masters of EVERYTHING! So now that he has TOTAL control, In time U will see why he has the purple police shutting everything down.

That statement is so ridiculous, that it's probably true. I believe Prince invented KCOOLMUZIQ. Like Prince's ego manifested KCOOL into our physical plane. He was probably a regular guy going through the motions of life, but after becoming exposed to the power of Purple Funk, he developed a telepathic connection with Prince's ego. So now Prince's ego has a voice, that can't be tempered by resason, facts or modesty. If KCOOL says it, Prince's ego is somewhere thinking it. So yes, Prince believes he somehow did not get enough credit for his work on the protege records, even though his name is on every one of them, and soon he will rerecord and release his own version. Believe that.

EddieC said:

databank said:

Well, look how he regularly per4ms songs by The Time, Sheila, Vanity 6 and The Family on stage (live or thru the sampler set)... Isn't this a statement of sorts? He definitely has those albums in mind or he wouldn't pick up those songs when he's got a catalogue of about 500 released "Prince" songs 2 choose from. And he definitely got the masters he hadn't gotten back in 94 back from WB alongside the "Prince" masters this year, that's 4 sure.

So yeah I think he's definitely sitting around thinking about his A6 remaster. Thing is he's been waiting for 20 years 4 those masters so it's not like he's in a rush, and as I said there's no guarantee that a proper archives/remaster program will be put in place. We may just get a random album here and there every 2 years or so. We may just get nothing after PR until the day dies. Or we may have a proper archives program, somehow, at some point, not necessarly in 2015 but eventually. Maybe even some of it will be digital only, since after all this is now the dominant 4mat and each passing year will c physical sales diminish. But if -and I say if- we do have such a program, the side projects will definitely be part of it.

Yes, Prince thinks of the "associated artist" albums as his albums. I think of them as his albums. I hope they're remastered and get the full treatment. I don't know that they have anything to do with the Warners/Prince deal that's happened, though--who owns those recordings, who would be the creator legally--writing the songs, performing the songs, producing the songs, being credited with the songs--which of those amounts to being the one to get ownership of the masters? Who had which contracts with Warners?

Save Romance 1600, Pandemonium and maybe a few others, got the whole Paisley Park catalogue's masters in 1994 when WB shut the label down.

As for the ones he didn't have (including the pre-Paisley Park side projects) nothing is known for a fact but WB had the masters and owning them made them free 2 pass them on to whoever they wanted 2, and there's no way 4got to ask 4 those album when negociating 4 masters reversal. There's nothing automatic in the 35 years law, artists have 2 claim 4 reversal so should anyone do such a thing they'd have 2 wait 4 the 35 years to pass and while in some cases (the albums/songs he has little or nothing 2 do with) there's little could do about it, but when it comes to his own side projects this would likely end in a harsh and costly legal battle. None of his ex associates have so much money to spend on the recovery of records that wouldn't sell so much once rereleased anyway + I don't think anyone really cares anyway. So while u can expect George Clinton or his estate to reclaim his 2 albums at some point, and maybe a few others who r still active such as Dale Bozzio, it's safe 2 assume that the rest will remain in 's care even the PP albums he has little involvement with. In terms of contracts I'm not sure but I guess that the same way the "artists" received some money from the original sales, they're probably entitled a similar percentage on any rerelease anyway, since I guess no matter who owns the masters the terms of contract they signed back then still stand, so why bother? 4 example WB kept some Time and Sheila E. albums in print or on iTunes and I guess The Time members and Sheila probably get some cash from those sales as a continuation of the original deal. That won't change no matter who now owns the masters.

databank said:

EddieC said:

Yes, Prince thinks of the "associated artist" albums as his albums. I think of them as his albums. I hope they're remastered and get the full treatment. I don't know that they have anything to do with the Warners/Prince deal that's happened, though--who owns those recordings, who would be the creator legally--writing the songs, performing the songs, producing the songs, being credited with the songs--which of those amounts to being the one to get ownership of the masters? Who had which contracts with Warners?

Save Romance 1600, Pandemonium and maybe a few others, got the whole Paisley Park catalogue's masters in 1994 when WB shut the label down.

As for the ones he didn't have (including the pre-Paisley Park side projects) nothing is known for a fact but WB had the masters and owning them made them free 2 pass them on to whoever they wanted 2, and there's no way 4got to ask 4 those album when negociating 4 masters reversal. There's nothing automatic in the 35 years law, artists have 2 claim 4 reversal so should anyone do such a thing they'd have 2 wait 4 the 35 years to pass and while in some cases (the albums/songs he has little or nothing 2 do with) there's little could do about it, but when it comes to his own side projects this would likely end in a harsh and costly legal battle. None of his ex associates have so much money to spend on the recovery of records that wouldn't sell so much once rereleased anyway + I don't think anyone really cares anyway. So while u can expect George Clinton or his estate to reclaim his 2 albums at some point, and maybe a few others who r still active such as Dale Bozzio, it's safe 2 assume that the rest will remain in 's care even the PP albums he has little involvement with. In terms of contracts I'm not sure but I guess that the same way the "artists" received some money from the original sales, they're probably entitled a similar percentage on any rerelease anyway, since I guess no matter who owns the masters the terms of contract they signed back then still stand, so why bother? 4 example WB kept some Time and Sheila E. albums in print or on iTunes and I guess The Time members and Sheila probably get some cash from those sales as a continuation of the original deal. That won't change no matter who now owns the masters.

Thanks--well, if he has them, then I hope he remasters them. Heck, 3-disk A6, I say.