paulludvig said:

TrevorAyer said:

someone has to speak up when prince fans are this level of ignorant of good vs mediocre playing .. i love prince for what he does but he is not that impressive on guitar and to place him above jimi is simply groupie worship and has nothing to do with prince actual ability .. my issue is only with what people these days find acceptable in music when music as a whole .. including prince output .. has gone so downhill and is not even worth listening to .. sure there is good music if you dig deeper but what is celebrated by popular culture these days is so horrible and crappy and then u try to say its as good as hendrix .. or crazy statements like PRINCE PLAYS GOOD JAZZ ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .. this mcdonalds junk food culture for the ears makes me sick .. people need to have better taste because our culture has zero taste for anything good anymore .. its all cheap garbage .. get your heads out of the garbage can people ... and dont try to pull jimi into the garbage with all the rest of the crap you think is so great

Trevor is an excellent songwriter and musician. He knows what he's talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M70-HyKl3xU

thanks .. i'd be happy to link to many of my great tunes .. this was an acoustic live demo i recorded about 20 years ago that i liked .. plus tried out the video option on my camera for fun and made a demo .. again 20 years ago .. still a great song .. if prince covered it it would be the best thing he has done in decades .. too bad prince cant write something this simple and more importantly .. real .. if u want to compare me to hendrix well that thread may go a little better than prince .. after all i cant play scales for shit .. so already my music is more interesting than hearing prince practice his scales live in concert

TrevorAyer said:

TrevorAyer said:

paulludvig said:

Trevor is an excellent songwriter and musician. He knows what he's talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M70-HyKl3xU

thanks .. i'd be happy to link to many of my great tunes .. this was an acoustic live demo i recorded about 20 years ago that i liked .. plus tried out the video option on my camera for fun and made a demo .. again 20 years ago .. still a great song .. if prince covered it it would be the best thing he has done in decades .. too bad prince cant write something this simple and more importantly .. real .. if u want to compare me to hendrix well that thread may go a little better than prince .. after all i cant play scales for shit .. so already my music is more interesting than hearing prince practice his scales live in concert

Your song Fall In Love is not bad but to say its better than anything Prince had done in decades???

Life O THE pARTY from Musicology album is the best song ever written compared to this.

sorry but its true

Militant said:

treehouse said:

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Like what? I think Prince has the ability to play stuff that Hendrix would have considered too bubble gum for, maybe that's what you mean.

Prince has played a lot of great jazz guitar licks over the years (A Love Bizarre, Mountains, Xpectation album just to name a few). Never heard Hendrix do that.

Nothing bubblegum about that.

I think Jimi would make a great jazz guitar player. At at the end of his life there was talk over a project with Miles Davis and arranger Gil Evans, with an orchestra and all. That would have been amazing!

TrevorAyer said:

ethanthomas said:

sounds like you have personal issues with Prince, are you an ex girlfriend?

someone has to speak up when prince fans are this level of ignorant of good vs mediocre playing .. i love prince for what he does but he is not that impressive on guitar and to place him above jimi is simply groupie worship and has nothing to do with prince actual ability .. my issue is only with what people these days find acceptable in music when music as a whole .. including prince output .. has gone so downhill and is not even worth listening to .. sure there is good music if you dig deeper but what is celebrated by popular culture these days is so horrible and crappy and then u try to say its as good as hendrix .. or crazy statements like PRINCE PLAYS GOOD JAZZ ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .. this mcdonalds junk food culture for the ears makes me sick .. people need to have better taste because our culture has zero taste for anything good anymore .. its all cheap garbage .. get your heads out of the garbage can people ... and dont try to pull jimi into the garbage with all the rest of the crap you think is so great

I grew up listening to my older brother blasting Hendrix (when my Dad was gone, my Dad only listened to jazz....) along with Sly, Queen, Pink Floyd and the other greats from the psychedelic rock period. From that period, Hendrix is my favorite with David Gilmour being a close second. The Purple Rain era hit when I was high school, I saw Prince at the Tacoma Dome in 1984 and I was very impressed with his abilities generally and his guitar play particurlarly, i've kept up with him ever since. I'm hard-pressed to say that I prefer Prince over Jimi since Jimi created the guitar language that help to cultivate Prince's unique guitar language. To my ear, Prince's guitar play has a combination of power and elegance that I have not heard from any other guitarist.

Militant said:

Prince has played a lot of great jazz guitar licks over the years (A Love Bizarre, Mountains, Xpectation album just to name a few). Never heard Hendrix do that.

Nothing bubblegum about that.

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So basically the finesse stuff Hendrix was playing as a session guy?

In terms of jazz licks, I'm not sure those are standout tracks in the big scheme of things.

Hendrix lacked interest in playing that stuff, but I don't think it's fair to say he didn't have the musical range to do it.

funkaholic1972 said:

Militant said:

Prince has played a lot of great jazz guitar licks over the years (A Love Bizarre, Mountains, Xpectation album just to name a few). Never heard Hendrix do that.

Nothing bubblegum about that.

I think Jimi would make a great jazz guitar player. At at the end of his life there was talk over a project with Miles Davis and arranger Gil Evans, with an orchestra and all. That would have been amazing!

I know Miles hints at a possible collaboration in his bio and these rumours have circulated in the press for ages, but some of the more recent tidbits on the whole thing suggest that it was more about Jimi wanting to work with some of the musicians in Miles' camp, or something along those lines. Don't quote me on that, but I think people have been reading far too much into the whole thing. Some insist Jimi was going to join Emerson, Lake and Palmer too, but you know how ideas like that simply get thrown around and Hendrix liked to hang out with other musicians when he was drunk and on drugs.

What other guitarists that were influenced by Hendrix, like Pete Cosey, managed to bring into the music of Miles Davis suited it far better than what I could imagine Jimi being capable of delivering himself. Just listen to "Can I Play With U" with Prince. It's too much of an ego battle in musical terms, even if the two musicians were in good terms personally.

Jimi had the blues

Prince had the funk

So it's a "who's funky & who's bluesy" type of competition, and it depens on the listener's mood.

But technically speaking, Hendrix is very much better than Prince in terms of guitar playing, in fact, Jimi Hendrix is better than every other guitar player in history. (If not Eddie Van Halen comes close IMO)

MajesticOne89 said:

We can stop comparing Prince to Hendrix when he stops dressing like him.

Its not Jimi Hendrix you should be comparing him to. Its Little Richard. Hendrix style was influenced by Richard. So was James Brown, and Prince has copied Little Richard down the a T, from the exact same haircuts to the outfits. But then again, so have many other people.

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novabrkr said:

suggest that it was more about Jimi wanting to work with some of the musicians in Miles' camp,

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Hendrix history is a funny thing. It's a lot like Prince biographical info... if one of a hand full of people cosign it, then everyone accepts it as true, despite a lack of evidence.

The story is he wanted to work with Miles himself. The project had a name. Jimi was actively seeking out collaborations and supergroup type projects. Most sound like Jimi's camp trying to float some ideas around, but the Miles project sounds the most realized.

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I'm of the belief neither Prince nor Jimi could hack it as true session musicians because they have too much personality in what they do, and it requires a different set of chops, but Hendrix certainly could play jazz in the sense that Jazz is a huge umbrella of a genre. Hendrix would have played Jazz the way Miles played Jazz.

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paulludvig said:

TrevorAyer said:

someone has to speak up when prince fans are this level of ignorant of good vs mediocre playing .. i love prince for what he does but he is not that impressive on guitar and to place him above jimi is simply groupie worship and has nothing to do with prince actual ability .. my issue is only with what people these days find acceptable in music when music as a whole .. including prince output .. has gone so downhill and is not even worth listening to .. sure there is good music if you dig deeper but what is celebrated by popular culture these days is so horrible and crappy and then u try to say its as good as hendrix .. or crazy statements like PRINCE PLAYS GOOD JAZZ ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .. this mcdonalds junk food culture for the ears makes me sick .. people need to have better taste because our culture has zero taste for anything good anymore .. its all cheap garbage .. get your heads out of the garbage can people ... and dont try to pull jimi into the garbage with all the rest of the crap you think is so great

Trevor is an excellent songwriter and musician. He knows what he's talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M70-HyKl3xU

U're such a bitch

LayzieKiddZ said:

MajesticOne89 said:

We can stop comparing Prince to Hendrix when he stops dressing like him.

Its not Jimi Hendrix you should be comparing him to. Its Little Richard. Hendrix style was influenced by Richard. So was James Brown, and Prince has copied Little Richard down the a T, from the exact same haircuts to the outfits. But then again, so have many other people.

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Yep, if we're honest all of these dudes swap ideas back and forth.


The last pic is all kinds of ugly,

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databank said:

paulludvig said:

Trevor is an excellent songwriter and musician. He knows what he's talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M70-HyKl3xU

U're such a bitch

IKR?

babynoz said:

databank said:

U're such a bitch

IKR?

Incredible Korean Rebellion?

babynoz

Yep, if we're honest all of these dudes swap ideas back and forth.


The last pic is all kinds of ugly,

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Well, Little Richard is bi-sexual/gay as all hell. But he has a million dollar voice and rocks out hard as fuck. The most copied man in rock.

Little Richard is the man.

LayzieKiddZ said:

babynoz

Yep, if we're honest all of these dudes swap ideas back and forth.


The last pic is all kinds of ugly,

[Edited 5/31/14 18:45pm]

Well, Little Richard is bi-sexual/gay as all hell. But he has a million dollar voice and rocks out hard as fuck. The most copied man in rock.

Little Richard is the man.

Indeed!

LayzieKiddZ said:

MajesticOne89 said:

We can stop comparing Prince to Hendrix when he stops dressing like him.

Its not Jimi Hendrix you should be comparing him to. Its Little Richard. Hendrix style was influenced by Richard. So was James Brown, and Prince has copied Little Richard down the a T, from the exact same haircuts to the outfits. But then again, so have many other people.

[Edited 5/31/14 11:26am]

Oh without a doubt, Little Richard is THE archetype! But this thread is specifically about Hendrix and I can't post videos of Prince covering "Voodoo Child" "Red House" Who Knows" etc...so I figured I use some fashion sense

been listening to hendrix alot lately man i wish that dude and the band were still around.

Jimi Hendrix is fantastic, no need to explain why, or how... he just is.

However I am listening more to my old Prince records 1980-1988,

more, than I am listening to Hendrix.

Prince's music have a bigger appeal to me, (on me?),

Even though Jimi Hendrix is a more "important" musician than Prince, (of course he is),

I still prefer Prince.

But........... both used to be really really fantastic.

I have a live box set with Jimi Hendrix, and a compilation and both are brilliant,

Prince, I own almost every album (not C-Note though)...

My Prince collection is much much bigger,

I enjoy both, but Hendrix is already in Rock History as the greatest guitarist ever,

Prince has created a lot of great music but a lot of rubbish (lately) too, unfortunately.

Theres some similarities, but a LOT of differencies as well......

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i listen to prince because he and his bands made great songs with lots of cool interplay .. i listen to hendrix just for the guitar .. the guitar is so good the song barely matters .. prince cant do that on guitar .. he needs a great song or the music fails .. otherwise 3eg would not suck so bad .. people be rating hendrix like guitar is some kinf of college degree .. like he isnt the best because he doesn't do certain scales or plays around the beat instead of right on it like prince .. hendrix could play only a single note for 10 minutes and make it more interesting than prince with free reign to do all his little scales and finger runs and hendrix would still be a better listen .. i dont even like a lot of hendrix songs that much but the guitar is just that crazy good .. and .. my song 'fall in love' blows 'life o the party' out of the water .. y'all just jealous of my mad skillz! (wait till i drop 'black sunshine' later this year .. u be like .. SOTT coulda been this good)

Revolution said:

Being first doesn't equate to being better....Naismith could not dunk a basketball like jordan [Edited 5/27/14 19:07pm]

I've never undeerstood why Americans revere basketball so much. You need some physical prowess, I suppose, but throwing a ball into a net has never been high on my list of great human achievements. Maybe it's me.

TrevorAyer said:

i listen to prince because he and his bands made great songs with lots of cool interplay .. i listen to hendrix just for the guitar .. the guitar is so good the song barely matters .. prince cant do that on guitar .. he needs a great song or the music fails .. otherwise 3eg would not suck so bad .. people be rating hendrix like guitar is some kinf of college degree .. like he isnt the best because he doesn't do certain scales or plays around the beat instead of right on it like prince .. hendrix could play only a single note for 10 minutes and make it more interesting than prince with free reign to do all his little scales and finger runs and hendrix would still be a better listen .. i dont even like a lot of hendrix songs that much but the guitar is just that crazy good .. and .. my song 'fall in love' blows 'life o the party' out of the water .. y'all just jealous of my mad skillz! (wait till i drop 'black sunshine' later this year .. u be like .. SOTT coulda been this good)

hmmm sorry but you are wrong.

listen to Jimis first album.tell me if there is a single filler song?

Jimi played great guitar but he had amazing songs.

and all the Prince vs. Jimi bullshit you talk about is just your opinion,

its not a fact,so can you try to be objective?

i dont have any agenda against you but lot of your posts sounds like you are angry and hate Prince.did he stole your girlfriend or what?

Prince is a great guitarist and everybody who have a pair of ears can hear that.

You discuss Prince sense for melody,let me tell you something

Prince had played and still plays great ,even amazing guitar melodies

much better than you will ever play.

I heard your music Trevor and you have some song writting talent

but you should really put some effort in your guitar playing ,start with tuning guitar.and we can talk about melodies and his guitar playing.

babynoz said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

Well, Little Richard is bi-sexual/gay as all hell. But he has a million dollar voice and rocks out hard as fuck. The most copied man in rock.

Little Richard is the man.

Indeed!

Never seen this pic of Little Richard....there is a pic of Prince live from the 80s that is almost identical to this shot!

TrevorAyer said:

give me a break .. prince is horrible at melody on guitar .. he thinks he is santana .. santana blows prince out of the water .. his melodies on guitar are boring and go nowhere 99 percent of the time .. jimi played rythm and lead at the same time .. thus giving his solos a somewhat rythmic feel .. still his melodies are far better than ANYTHING prince lays down on guitar .. prince is good at rythm guitar and playing scales .. that is it .. his solos are all the same go no where and are interchangeable save for the purple rain solo which he apparently decided he didn't want to play anymore and stuck to piano for PR for a while .. which is one of his dumbest moves ever .. melodically on guitar solos prince is a giant snooze .. just listen to hendrix or santana and you will hear how far prince needs to grow to stand next to these 2 legends .. please stop acting like prince is the greatest ever just because he wore assless chaps a few times and still looks cute with 12 tons of photoshop touch ups .. get real!

Hmmm. On the one hand, we have you saying Prince is not much of a guitar player.

On the other hand, we have Eric Clapton saying Prince is a phenomenal guitar player.

No offense, but your guitar playing pales compared to that of Eric Clapton. So therefore you are wrong and Clapton is right.

TrevorAyer said:

at least i don't butcher my vocals with auto tune like some other vocalists we all know

Dude, no offense but I've heard you sing.

Your vocals are butchered without needing autotune or anything else.

r u experienced is a classic .. the next two had a bit of filler as did rays of the new rising sun .. taking jimis classic 5 with prince classic 5, prince had better songs and less filler, jimi played guitar a thousand million bazillion times better than prince tho

thanks for listening to my awesome singing .. it's even worse now .. but sometimes i sing pretty damn good .. also thanks for comparing me to clapton .. i've recorded almost a thousand songs .. often they are rehearsals or live or even recorded as being written .. just kind of off the cuff stuff .. as is the case with the much discussed "fall in love" .. i've never been in a real studio or labored over a song recording for years like the major players do .. but my songs are good as is my guitar and even my singing sometimes and i know it and don't need a bunch of polished pop lovers telling me my punky genius isn't overproduced enough .. i like bob dylans voice as much as i like prince .. they resonate equally when they sing the truth .. same with neil young .. i have kids and not much time so i bust out these demos quick and imperfectly .. i record on cassette 4 track 8 track and now my home computer .. not excuses just so you don't think i spent thousands on my recordings and came out sounding like a cassette of a quick acoustic demo .. it is actually just a quick acoustic demo .. one of many

thanks to those who say the songwriting is pretty good .. i am gonna unleash it all soon and make prince jealous that he cant release a 12 disk set this good ..

ps. (i already released vermonts FIRST box set 20 years ago .. it had 600 minutes on it all of my 4 track cassette recordings .. a lot of it kinda sucked but i've accumulated a ton more material while raising my kids and working and all that shit since then ... even some jams with famous people .. gonna be cool stay tuned)

Check Al Dimeola or John McLaughlin or Mike Stern or Allan Holdsworth. All of the above mentioned people do not touch these 4 so the conversation is moot.

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The big reason Prince and Hendrix comparisons make me bristle is because when I hear them, it is usually code for, "oh, it's two black guys who play guitar," as just another variation of having a black spokesperson for __whatever__. Any black guy who plays guitar after Hendrix is just like Hendrix. For all the reasons they may or may not be alike, most people IME who make that comparison can't name any beyond that.

Horsefeathers said:

The big reason Prince and Hendrix comparisons make me bristle is because when I hear them, it is usually code for, "oh, it's two black guys who play guitar," as just another variation of having a black spokesperson for __whatever__. Any black guy who plays guitar after Hendrix is just like Hendrix. For all the reasons they may or may not be alike, most people IME who make that comparison can't name any beyond that.

If the only similarities between Prince and Hendrix where that they are both black and play guitar, then you would have a valid point.

These comparisons are based on PLENTY of factors. Some playing style, some stage style, some clothing style. They are not identical, but there are enough similarities to make the comparison. I could find you a dozen photos of Prince looking like Hendrix. (hell, some of them are on this very thread.) The song "Dreamer" from Lotusflow3r, although came along well after the comparisons, help validate the claim. Prince's track "Purple House" on the Hendrix tribute album, as well. Seems like both Prince and Hendrix estate see similarities as well, and embrace them.

Unfortunately, typing text over the internet is no substitute for convrsation. Negative tone can be read into anything, things can be misinterpreted, etc. So forgive me, but I'm not a fan of the idea that just because people compare two perple that are the same race, that it is all about race and that those people are just stereotyping. I feel like maybe your take on the matter is kinda similar form of stereotyping.

But I'm not mad about it, or at anyone. I offer my opinion with all due respect. I could be totally wrong.