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Thread started 05/22/14 7:59am

lagantest

Everyone should read this.

check this out from Bowies message board. Much better atmosphere when talking about other artists and music.

http://www.network54.com/...8non+db%29

On here, Prince.org if we were talking about Bowie everyone say, Bowie is shit prince is the best and not talk about the music

so maybe everyone should read this and learn from it.

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Reply #1 posted 05/22/14 8:08am

nyse

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Prince fans have such a high standard in music.

Essentially we have been blessed with getting almost 40 albums.

100's of boots and quality concerts. Its hard for other artists to

compete with that... i see what you are saying however. Good point.

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Reply #2 posted 05/22/14 8:11am

luvsexy4all

why does 3rd eye have a vEVO account now?

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Reply #3 posted 05/22/14 8:14am

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Bowie tends to inspire a classier breed of fan. I have had very intelligent conversations with vitually every Bowie fan I've ever met. Here, for the most part, we get that fucking MASTERPIECE dude/chick.

I think Housequake was where most of the reasonable fans liked to hang out.

When it shut down I had to come over here and I feel like I've lost IQ points in the process.

That mysterious, spiritual teacher bullshit brings the weirdos out of the woodwork. Game wreckonize game, I suppose.

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Reply #4 posted 05/22/14 8:22am

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luvsexy4all said:

why does 3rd eye have a vEVO account now?


They been done had that
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Reply #5 posted 05/22/14 8:23am

lagantest

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Bowie tends to inspire a classier breed of fan. I have had very intelligent conversations with vitually every Bowie fan I've ever met. Here, for the most part, we get that fucking MASTERPIECE dude/chick.

I think Housequake was where most of the reasonable fans liked to hang out.

When it shut down I had to come over here and I feel like I've lost IQ points in the process.

That mysterious, spiritual teacher bullshit brings the weirdos out of the woodwork. Game wreckonize game, I suppose.

i agree. I spend more time on the bowie forum talking about music in general not just bowie music. And you never get this, yeah but Bowie this and bowie that. You can comment negatively or postively on Bowies output and people wont insult you by saying it is genius they will have constructive reasons etc. its brilliant. here really is just obsessives 'one direction type' fans sometimes! not all of you

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Reply #6 posted 05/22/14 8:36am

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I'm not a huge Bowie fan, I like his classic period and I'm not much knowledgable on anything past the early 80s so forgive me if this is wrong - but he doesn't have quite that same manic Messianic quality to his mystique that Prince has - Which I think accounts for some of the 'eccentricities' you see amongst Prince fans.

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I know Bowie has a strong image(s) and stage persona, backstory mythos, personal cult etc, but Prince's is almost quasi-religious in it's fervour. It's creeping up there into MJ fan territory at times, and I think Prince brought it on himself somewhat initially with his evangelical lyrics and mysterious persona crafting, and then later on in the 90s when he was preaching to the converted and cultivating a them against us attitude amongst the fanbase (which eventually imploded in on it's self when he literally used divide and conquer with all his website stuff and lawsuits).

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Bowie being British and Prince being American probably also accounts for some of this. Nuff said.

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Reply #7 posted 05/22/14 8:55am

murph

lagantest said:

check this out from Bowies message board. Much better atmosphere when talking about other artists and music.

http://www.network54.com/...8non+db%29

On here, Prince.org if we were talking about Bowie everyone say, Bowie is shit prince is the best and not talk about the music

so maybe everyone should read this and learn from it.

Actually, this is not a shit place because folks talk about other artist's music in a juvenile way (I see that ALL the time on other fansites...Just go to a Radiohead site and try to have a discussion about any of the bands doing it today...They will get mocked and laughed at)....

The problem at the Org is this is no longer a safe, informative place for Prince fans....Indeed, there is a thin line between blind fanaticism and good ol' fashion fandom...But you get the sense here that people are often times shitted on for going to a Prince site and being (gasp!) Prince fans...

That's something you wouldn't see at a Bowie site....

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Reply #8 posted 05/22/14 9:03am

lagantest

NouveauDance said:

I'm not a huge Bowie fan, I like his classic period and I'm not much knowledgable on anything past the early 80s so forgive me if this is wrong - but he doesn't have quite that same manic Messianic quality to his mystique that Prince has - Which I think accounts for some of the 'eccentricities' you see amongst Prince fans.

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I know Bowie has a strong image(s) and stage persona, backstory mythos, personal cult etc, but Prince's is almost quasi-religious in it's fervour. It's creeping up there into MJ fan territory at times, and I think Prince brought it on himself somewhat initially with his evangelical lyrics and mysterious persona crafting, and then later on in the 90s when he was preaching to the converted and cultivating a them against us attitude amongst the fanbase (which eventually imploded in on it's self when he literally used divide and conquer with all his website stuff and lawsuits).

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Bowie being British and Prince being American probably also accounts for some of this. Nuff said.

Bowie used to have this incredible mystique about himself and he has totally regained it. No-one knows what he is doing, where he is, is he recording? can he tour? will he ever speak in public again? any of that. Prince still has his mystique but i think he has confused it a bit over the years.

However its not just about Bowie i was talking about it is about music in general and to be honest, the people on this site are really over the top and dont take a step back from the music and the man to make a real opinion. Its like when a new song comes out everyone goes, 'masterpiece' 'best song he has ever done' two weeks later, 'this song is awful, worst thing he has ever done' then people really get nasty talking about why someone has had an opinion... its mental.

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Reply #9 posted 05/22/14 9:29am

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murph said:


But you get the sense here that people are often times shitted on for going to a Prince site and being (gasp!) Prince fans...


That's something you wouldn't see at a Bowie site....





This is something we very much need to change, IMO.

Prince's fanbase is skewing FAR younger than Bowie's. We have a LOT of teens and people in their early twenties here. Prince has successfully cultivated a new generation of fans. Indeed, if you look at some of the most popular P groups on Facebook and fervent fans on Twitter you'll notice a lot of teens being the most active members.

Bowie's great, but I don't see many people younger than 40 checking for him.

So with that in mind, this place ought to be welcoming to new and younger fans.

The org has a reputation for negativity and we've lost some great posters because of it. I personally won't stand for it, and if rectifying that means more warnings and more dropping of the ban hammer then it is what it is.
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Reply #10 posted 05/22/14 9:47am

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Bowie has a LOT of young fans in their teens and twenties on his fan sites.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #11 posted 05/22/14 9:56am

lagantest

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Bowie has a LOT of young fans in their teens and twenties on his fan sites.

I am 28 and i am a massive Bowie fan. Therefore Bowie appeals to everyone. All generations know him he is still classed as a total class act.

Its a strange one really but the intent of this thread was to enlighten people on what could be a good forum without the nastiness.

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Reply #12 posted 05/22/14 10:08am

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The org posts improved overnight, when the NPGMC introduced a forum.

As soon as the fams left, civil debates broke out. Although the fams claim to be the 'positive' ones, they are actually the instigators of most arguments.

The day the NPGMC forum shut, the org pages began filling up with devotion picture threads and silly topics.

Therefore, the org itself is not the problem, but the sheep haven't got anywhere else to hang out and babble.

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Reply #13 posted 05/22/14 10:25am

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Being a huge Bowie fan, i don't post on that forum, but bowie fans are great in general.Bowie really paved the way for many artists and bands in terms of music and image(so did Prince, but Bowie was there way earlier).Bowie has LOADS of young fans, i dare to say even more than Prince, but that's just from experience interacting with other people my age. also i think bowie is more respected than Prince though. not right because both are incredibly influencial.

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Reply #14 posted 05/22/14 10:28am

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SquirrelMeat said:

The org posts improved overnight, when the NPGMC introduced a forum.


i remember that falloff

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #15 posted 05/22/14 10:32am

thisisreece

Bowie does appeal to young people. I'd say he has quite a large fanbase amongst younger people, (myself included), maybe even more so than Prince. Then again, I know a lot of people who just think Bowie is boring and Prince is weird.

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Reply #16 posted 05/22/14 10:56am

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Once upon at time, there was a plethora of really awesome Prince fan sites on the internet, with some of the most knowlegable interesting people having lots of fun and happily engaging with each other in this thing called life and all things Prince. Somebody didn't like that and worked deliberately to bring an end to it and they did. What we have left - as far as fan sites go - is what it is. shrug

Thankfully though, there's still many of us out there and we're still having lots of fun! wink

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #17 posted 05/22/14 11:01am

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Once upon at time, there was a plethora of really awesome Prince fan sites on the internet, with some of the most knowlegable interesting people having lots of fun and happily engaging with each other in this thing called life and all things Prince. Somebody didn't like that and worked deliberately to bring an end to it and they did. What we have left - as far as fan sites go - is what it is. shrug

Thankfully though, there's still many of us out there and we're still having lots of fun! wink


Who? rolleyes


lol

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Reply #18 posted 05/22/14 11:46am

Stymie

SquirrelMeat said:

The org posts improved overnight, when the NPGMC introduced a forum.

As soon as the fams left, civil debates broke out. Although the fams claim to be the 'positive' ones, they are actually the instigators of most arguments.

The day the NPGMC forum shut, the org pages began filling up with devotion picture threads and silly topics.

Therefore, the org itself is not the problem, but the sheep haven't got anywhere else to hang out and babble.

Preach!!!! They can be downright nasty at times.

The org may have a reputation as "negative" but I don't get that at all. I think people choose to see this place that way. i think the org can be whatever you choose it to be.

I like that I can talk about Prince, good or bad. I have never understood why those who view it as a bad thing, don't go and start another site where they can be all sunshine and lollipops. If you choose to participate here, you have to accept it for what it is. The one thing I appreciate most about Ben is I've never felt censored in my being able to post my opinion.

I don't get the glamorization of Housequake. There were some nasty folks on that site too.

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Reply #19 posted 05/22/14 11:46am

murph

SquirrelMeat said:

The org posts improved overnight, when the NPGMC introduced a forum.

As soon as the fams left, civil debates broke out. Although the fams claim to be the 'positive' ones, they are actually the instigators of most arguments.

The day the NPGMC forum shut, the org pages began filling up with devotion picture threads and silly topics.

Therefore, the org itself is not the problem, but the sheep haven't got anywhere else to hang out and babble.

The irony? It's swung to the other side of lunacy....

It's no longer the FAMS causing issues.....

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Reply #20 posted 05/22/14 12:36pm

novabrkr

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Bowie's great, but I don't see many people younger than 40 checking for him. [...]


I think the people who write on Bowie message boards are indeed older. Not sure why that's the case. His material seems to be still pretty much mandatory listening for younger rock fans that want to get into the really good stuff and who can claim to know something about music.


Can't say the same for Prince though. Not sure why that's the case. I suppose someone so closely associated with funk music and "black pop" feels a bit foreign for many.

In any case, Bowie started behaving like the nicest guy on the planet when he got older, whereas Prince has remained far more polarizing as a person.

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Reply #21 posted 05/22/14 1:11pm

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murph said:

SquirrelMeat said:

The org posts improved overnight, when the NPGMC introduced a forum.

As soon as the fams left, civil debates broke out. Although the fams claim to be the 'positive' ones, they are actually the instigators of most arguments.

The day the NPGMC forum shut, the org pages began filling up with devotion picture threads and silly topics.

Therefore, the org itself is not the problem, but the sheep haven't got anywhere else to hang out and babble.

The irony? It's swung to the other side of lunacy....

It's no longer the FAMS causing issues.....


Its still the same as it always was. Sure you get the odd 'always' negative person, but the bitch fests usually start with the fams and their attacks on others that don't share their opinion.

The proof was in the pudding when NPGMC started. The Fams ran off, the org calmed down (it was even a little too quiet), and the general negativity didn't go up, it went down. There was much more constructive critisism and praise.

I actually liked to pop over to the NPGMC forum and watch for amusement. It was like a cult, the sheer blind worship.

Quite a few of them are still on here, tying to supress their worship, but it usually shines through.

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Reply #22 posted 05/22/14 1:12pm

mrsquirrel

lagantest said:

check this out from Bowies message board. Much better atmosphere when talking about other artists and music.

http://www.network54.com/...8non db%29

On here, Prince.org if we were talking about Bowie everyone say, Bowie is shit prince is the best and not talk about the music

so maybe everyone should read this and learn from it.

On a completely different tack regarding Prince and Bowie, we used to have round our way a recovering alcoholic heroin addict who, in his many stupors, would insist that Bowie was responsible for every rock and pop idiom that ever existed. We could be listening to Steely Dan, Joni Mitchell, Television... and he'd always lapse into a Bowie Adoration Episode that lasted until he was incapable of speech.

Eventually I leant him my copy of N.E.W.S., and he thought it was the most mind-blowingly awesome sequence of recorded events he'd heard in a long while. He returned the CD sober. We didn't see him again for a good few months at least, presumably on account of his not comprehending this CD being recorded by Prince. Or he was just trollied listening to Maha Vishnu Orchestra. It's hard to gauge people sometimes.

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Reply #23 posted 05/22/14 1:25pm

murph

SquirrelMeat said:

murph said:

The irony? It's swung to the other side of lunacy....

It's no longer the FAMS causing issues.....


Its still the same as it always was. Sure you get the odd 'always' negative person, but the bitch fests usually start with the fams and their attacks on others that don't share their opinion.

The proof was in the pudding when NPGMC started. The Fams ran off, the org calmed down (it was even a little too quiet), and the general negativity didn't go up, it went down. There was much more constructive critisism and praise.

I actually liked to pop over to the NPGMC forum and watch for amusement. It was like a cult, the sheer blind worship.

Quite a few of them are still on here, tying to supress their worship, but it usually shines through.

Actually, I don't see many FAMS left on this site...God knows I've had my rumbles with them (I once got into argument with a P-FAM because they were insulted that I referred to P as The Midget...)...So I see wher you are coming from in a way....

However, what I see now is a bunch of folks trying too hard to be cool...Folks who believe belittling someone who thinks that something as mundane as believing that Prince is a better guitarist than he was in the '80s can be viewed as blind worship...

Like I said, there's two sides to this coin....There are the folks that believe that Prince's shit smells like Ice cream, Lavender, and sunshine...And there are the others who believe that it's not cool to praise Prince because it may look like you are kissing his ass....

To be honest, as dismayed as I was with the behavior of some of the more hardcore FAMS, I'm as equally bewildered at how this site has transformed into a petty, mean-spirited Bitch-fest populated by folks who believe that Prince is a Has-Ben....And that's the only convo to be had...

The irony is I can almost understand the LOONS being at a Prince website because it is a Prince Fansite....But what's the excuse of folks who spend their times making yet another post about how Prince has lost it and that you are boot licking FAM for thinking otherwise....

I don't think people understand this rarely takes place on other fan sites....

It is what it is....U guys keep being cool....

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Reply #24 posted 05/22/14 1:29pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

murph said:

The irony? It's swung to the other side of lunacy....

It's no longer the FAMS causing issues.....


Its still the same as it always was. Sure you get the odd 'always' negative person, but the bitch fests usually start with the fams and their attacks on others that don't share their opinion.

The proof was in the pudding when NPGMC started. The Fams ran off, the org calmed down (it was even a little too quiet), and the general negativity didn't go up, it went down. There was much more constructive critisism and praise.

I actually liked to pop over to the NPGMC forum and watch for amusement. It was like a cult, the sheer blind worship.

Quite a few of them are still on here, tying to supress their worship, but it usually shines through.

touched Good times. Good times. lol

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #25 posted 05/22/14 1:34pm

HatrinaHaterwi
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SquirrelMeat said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Once upon at time, there was a plethora of really awesome Prince fan sites on the internet, with some of the most knowlegable interesting people having lots of fun and happily engaging with each other in this thing called life and all things Prince. Somebody didn't like that and worked deliberately to bring an end to it and they did. What we have left - as far as fan sites go - is what it is. shrug

Thankfully though, there's still many of us out there and we're still having lots of fun! wink


Who? rolleyes


lol

Quit playing...you know exactly who. razz

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #26 posted 05/22/14 1:45pm

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murph said:

SquirrelMeat said:


Its still the same as it always was. Sure you get the odd 'always' negative person, but the bitch fests usually start with the fams and their attacks on others that don't share their opinion.

The proof was in the pudding when NPGMC started. The Fams ran off, the org calmed down (it was even a little too quiet), and the general negativity didn't go up, it went down. There was much more constructive critisism and praise.

I actually liked to pop over to the NPGMC forum and watch for amusement. It was like a cult, the sheer blind worship.

Quite a few of them are still on here, tying to supress their worship, but it usually shines through.

Actually, I don't see many FAMS left on this site...God knows I've had my rumbles with them (I once got into argument with a P-FAM because they were insulted that I referred to P as The Midget...)...So I see wher you are coming from in a way....

However, what I see now is a bunch of folks trying too hard to be cool...Folks who believe belittling someone who thinks that something as mundane as believing that Prince is a better guitarist than he was in the '80s can be viewed as blind worship...

Like I said, there's two sides to this coin....There are the folks that believe that Prince's shit smells like Ice cream, Lavender, and sunshine...And there are the others who believe that it's not cool to praise Prince because it may look like you are kissing his ass....

To be honest, as dismayed as I was with the behavior of some of the more hardcore FAMS, I'm as equally bewildered at how this site has transformed into a petty, mean-spirited Bitch-fest populated by folks who believe that Prince is a Has-Ben....And that's the only convo to be had...

The irony is I can almost understand the LOONS being at a Prince website because it is a Prince Fansite....But what's the excuse of folks who spend their times making yet another post about how Prince has lost it and that you are boot licking FAM for thinking otherwise....

I don't think people understand this rarely takes place on other fan sites....

It is what it is....U guys keep being cool....

I see your point.

I think there is something cultesque about Prince. He is more a magnet to the loons like Michael Jackson, than the likes of Bowie.

However maybe the rub comes from those that view Prince as an icon (the MJ flavour) against those that talk about the musicial (the Bowie Flavour).


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Reply #27 posted 05/22/14 1:48pm

Stymie

murph said:

SquirrelMeat said:


Its still the same as it always was. Sure you get the odd 'always' negative person, but the bitch fests usually start with the fams and their attacks on others that don't share their opinion.

The proof was in the pudding when NPGMC started. The Fams ran off, the org calmed down (it was even a little too quiet), and the general negativity didn't go up, it went down. There was much more constructive critisism and praise.

I actually liked to pop over to the NPGMC forum and watch for amusement. It was like a cult, the sheer blind worship.

Quite a few of them are still on here, tying to supress their worship, but it usually shines through.

Actually, I don't see many FAMS left on this site...God knows I've had my rumbles with them (I once got into argument with a P-FAM because they were insulted that I referred to P as The Midget...)...So I see wher you are coming from in a way....

However, what I see now is a bunch of folks trying too hard to be cool...Folks who believe belittling someone who thinks that something as mundane as believing that Prince is a better guitarist than he was in the '80s can be viewed as blind worship...

Like I said, there's two sides to this coin....There are the folks that believe that Prince's shit smells like Ice cream, Lavender, and sunshine...And there are the others who believe that it's not cool to praise Prince because it may look like you are kissing his ass....

To be honest, as dismayed as I was with the behavior of some of the more hardcore FAMS, I'm as equally bewildered at how this site has transformed into a petty, mean-spirited Bitch-fest populated by folks who believe that Prince is a Has-Ben....And that's the only convo to be had...

The irony is I can almost understand the LOONS being at a Prince website because it is a Prince Fansite....But what's the excuse of folks who spend their times making yet another post about how Prince has lost it and that you are boot licking FAM for thinking otherwise....

I don't think people understand this rarely takes place on other fan sites....

It is what it is....U guys keep being cool....

Why anyone cares what others think about why they are here is beyond me.

Anyone thinking everything someone does is great is unrealistic and I have a "problem" with those people but I usually just ignore them. They can be as bad as the "never have anything good to say" people.

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Reply #28 posted 05/22/14 1:55pm

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Could sombody explain to me what the Prinefams were? or whatever.

When all this shit was happening i was like 13 and listening to shitty animu music

>tfw just admitted to being a weeaboo in her past

But yeah, the whole 'negative' thing have seen attributed to the org a lot. I was talking to a guy in the line when Prince played the academy in Febuary and he said he left because of the drama and arguments.

When i see somewhat negative threads now and again i just ignore them for the most part.

✿Prince and lawsuits. Still a better love-story than Twilight. ✿

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Reply #29 posted 05/22/14 4:05pm

thisisreece

Angelsoncrack said:

Could sombody explain to me what the Prinefams were? or whatever.

When all this shit was happening i was like 13 and listening to shitty animu music

>tfw just admitted to being a weeaboo in her past

But yeah, the whole 'negative' thing have seen attributed to the org a lot. I was talking to a guy in the line when Prince played the academy in Febuary and he said he left because of the drama and arguments.

When i see somewhat negative threads now and again i just ignore them for the most part.

Had the exact same conversations with people in the line at Koko. They'd all left the org.

Hundalasiliah!
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