databank said:

it seems that more serious discussions here are typically locked down or outright deleted. I think it's a management issue.

ok,


but this thread is in a wrong forum:

It belongs to "prince.org site discussion" right????

Mindflux said:

PoorLonelyComputer said:

No. If a Prince song/album sucks, I'm going to say so. Learn to accept opposite viewpoints.

We know. It's all you ever do.

Well just maybe the fault lies with Prince. He could raise his game more often. 'The Breakdown' which he bigged up himself on Arsenio proves he can do it, and he's seemingly aware of that too. He just doesn't seem able to do that enough in the studio these days.

databank said:

Genesia said:

That link returns a 404 error.

In any case, this is a case of reductio ad absurdum.

Odd. Google "Bootsy Collins What's Bootsy Doin Allmusic" and u'll get it

Link works for me. The one-sentence "Review" does not.

Marrk said:

Mindflux said:

We know. It's all you ever do.

Well just maybe the fault lies with Prince. He could raise his game more often. 'The Breakdown' which he bigged up himself on Arsenio proves he can do it, and he's seemingly aware of that too. He just doesn't seem able to do that enough in the studio these days.

No - Prince doesn't have to do anything. People don't have to like what he does either. The hunger that drives what you do in your youth is not the same as in your later year - it is as true for Prince as it will be for you and I. I certainly don't mind the fact that he is not as productive or evenly scaling the heights he once did, I just enjoy the fact that he still makes music and music that I, mostly, want to listen to. I even still enjoy music from him that isn't ground-breaking or stellar - music doesn't have to fit in to those categories to be enjoyed. However, perhaps with him having taken 4 years off, he might be about to surprise us with a gem of a release.

PoorLonelyComputer is one of those pathological naysayers on here and when opinion is so consistently biased it renders it meaningless. Such is their negative bent, PLC even missed the point of the thread, being so driven to shout again about how they will complain at every opportunity - hence, belying how distorted their view is.

I'm all for raising the level of the debates, just as long as they don't become elitist or exclusive.

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My level of Prince knowledge is somewhere more than average: I have all of the studio and official online stuff, I have most of the higher-profile associated artist albums and only a handful of boots.

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I've been a fan since 1982 when I first heard 1999 and LRC. I was 10 years old at that time. It has been one great journey with lots of ups and downs. BUT, I am no better than someone hearing Purple Rain or Parade for the very first time. In fact, that person might have an advantage over me by way of not being influenced by the "times".

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So, my point is let's elevate the discussions but also let's not be jerks about it. All are welcome, nobody is better than the next. If someone likes Arms Of Orion or Jughead, it shouldn't be a (figurative) death sentence for them on the Org.

Mindflux said:

Marrk said:

Well just maybe the fault lies with Prince. He could raise his game more often. 'The Breakdown' which he bigged up himself on Arsenio proves he can do it, and he's seemingly aware of that too. He just doesn't seem able to do that enough in the studio these days.

No - Prince doesn't have to do anything. People don't have to like what he does either. The hunger that drives what you do in your youth is not the same as in your later year - it is as true for Prince as it will be for you and I. I certainly don't mind the fact that he is not as productive or evenly scaling the heights he once did, I just enjoy the fact that he still makes music and music that I, mostly, want to listen to. I even still enjoy music from him that isn't ground-breaking or stellar - music doesn't have to fit in to those categories to be enjoyed. However, perhaps with him having taken 4 years off, he might be about to surprise us with a gem of a release.

PoorLonelyComputer is one of those pathological naysayers on here and when opinion is so consistently biased it renders it meaningless. Such is their negative bent, PLC even missed the point of the thread, being so driven to shout again about how they will complain at every opportunity - hence, belying how distorted their view is.

I think a lot of here hang on every little thing Prince does - we assign a lot of importance on it whereas Prince himself might think of a song as "just something I did on Friday for fun".

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He might not put the same historical importance to Hot Summer or Rich Friends as he did for a full-blown project like Musicology or 3121. To him those might be sketches that he's just sharing. Or they could be finished songs but not really meant to be so serious . . .

how does one raise the level of ... I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!

But this is the org, the basement in the building of purple cyberspace.

You want something a bit more high brow, that was Housequake.

data....u forget ....there r "newbies" who havent covered the ground us vets have been thru....unfortunately we have to be patient ....or ignore them

lust said:

Data, this post is good.

It's really not that complex, either a song hits you or it does not. The obvious flaws in Prince's new music seems pretty obvious: lack of complexity, sophistication, genius level lyrics, otherwordly power, oddball sophistication. The new stuff just fails on these obvious themes. Prince no longer has that inner fire new artists have and money and fame play a lot in what he does now. It just isn't fun to him anymore.

He also has contempt for his fans, thinking they don't get the problems. Like we all must have tin ears because we are not musicians. Trust us, we know what the issues are. When Beck still shreds and you do not you could put down the remote and fucking take notes.

But 1989 still belongs to Prince's best period, right!?

@2freaky4church: Something like that, yes!

funkomatic said:

But 1989 still belongs to Prince's best period, right!?

@2freaky4church: Something like that, yes!

databank said:

I keep reading comments about songs/albums which are basically nothing but:

- Yuk to that song/album PERIOD.

- This song/album sucks PERIOD.

- This album/song is terrible PERIOD.

- This song/album is good PERIOD.

- This song/album is not so bad PERIOD.

- This song album is great PERIOD.

- Prince has become a mediocre artist PERIOD.

- Prince is the greatest composer ever PERIOD.

And so on and so on...

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Your request sounds like a mild attempt at censorship.

Consequently, a class offered by a knowledgeABLE professor could provide

a unique direction in the study of the subject matter. Anything else from

those less qualified could easily be reduced to the silly and harassing

commentary that you may be trying to avoid ; )

Take a break from the forum if you're unhappy with it. Want the level of discourse raised? Take a proactive role with your own comments, because that's all you can control. Contribute in a manner that offers fertile discussions. Don't attack posters, call them trolls, or get dismissive because someone doesn't fit your model of a Prince fan, or worship the same experts you do. We all come from diverse backgrounds, and we're here together by choice because of our enthusiasm for talking about Prince. Pretty simple really. If you can't do that, don't expect the brightest and most knowledgable, and interesting contributors to stick around and converse with you.

[Edited 5/17/14 23:19pm]

Marrk said: