He also had Wendy at the 2007 Minneapolis shows Macey's Target & 1st Avenue Lisa and Wendy did some other shows with him in that 2005-2007 period. He had Bobby Z on drums for Purple Rain last year. & most of the band members in the last 7 years were old too except for the Twinz. Prince has aged, any daytime photos show how much older Prince looks.
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True, Wendy wasn't trained, she came from a musical family. She can play bass drums/percussion as well though. | |
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Yeah they did, and again that came out of the Dream Factory sessions | |
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This is alway what I'm seeing. Prince is the only one that improves and changes? While 3rd Eye Girl plays music the Revolution recorded with Prince, and they don't even have an album yet. . But he said he only wants to work with younger people. 3rd Eye Girl is not going to take Prince any higher than he is. But Prince has always seemed very callous with any of them from the 1980 period even the Time, Sheila E Jill Jones | |
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Minor contribution to three songs out of a total of 16 songs. The wooh is on the one! | |
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First of all .... PRince is horrible at jamming .. complete lame o .. Secondly MOST of the best Prince songs came out of JAMMING WITH THE REVOLUTION .. all those great grooves started as 20 - 30 minute jams ... Prince just shortened them into neat little songs and played all the parts himself .. just look at mountains and america or even all the critics .. prince has never sounded better, jammed better or wrote better music than when any of many revolution line ups was around .. 3rd eye sound like shit .. hannah plays like a 12 year old and the jamming is flat and goes nowhere .. prince obviously has a deep seeded fear that being with the revolution will be such a drastic improvement on his sound and songwriting that all his stupid groupie fans will finally see how little he brings to the table anymore or perhaps ever did .. prince is afraid to jam with musicians of the caliber of the revolution .. probably choke like he did with james brown .. he's afraid prince and the rev will drop a record that gets praised so high it blows the last 20 prince record out of the water .. prince is all lady gaga now .. just being stupid trying to get attention but all the good songs are gone and nobody cares .. aka .. washed up .. i DARE anyone to listen to ANYTHING new and play it back to back with ANY rev era song .. its pathetic how far prince has fallen in quality control .. | |
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I've just always had the feel that they were more of songwriter type of musicians than the jamming type. And even though they probably have developed alot of new skills and perfected old ones through the years. Have they focused on that type of musicianship? Prince has been working day and night with live music ever since he started music. Being loose and able to adapt to different changes in live music doesn't make you more creative as a composer. It makes you a problem solver at the moment. And many jazz musicians and people who spend most of their time jamming are good at that. It doesn't mean they know how to craft great songs. I just think that 3rdeye, atleast ida and a little bit donna knows how to adapt to these changes pretty well, but are not making his released output any greater. However Wendy & Lisa are great at what they do. They spend more time in the studio than in band settings compared to Prince don't they? It doesn't really matter though. Prince said what he said. And he gave The Revolution TONS OF RESPECT. My Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/tundrah | |
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I see nothing wrong with wanting a one-off reunion to celebrate not only the 30th anniversary but the recent good news for Prince. One show, broadcast like he did for that first night of Musicology, either online or at movie theaters. It'd make a killing, no matter how many here don't want or care for them to reunite. Would anyone not see a Prince show if the Revolution is there? Come on. [Edited 5/7/14 8:45am] | |
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after reading this and I listen 2 all those wonder rehearsals and recordings like the 11min Computer Blue, Erotic City/Felline 30min, Screams of Passion... I Would Die 4 U, America on the PR tour I shake my head . Yes Stymie, I would work 5 jobs if I had to, 2 get the money | |
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i have all that and those jams don't really go anywhere. they were good but the praise they get is ridiculous. i actually like the revolution. The October 85 show in France was awesome. but to say they're the greatest prince band is crazy talk. then... People criticize Hannah but Bobby Z wasn't that great either compared to Michael B. or Sheila E.
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Im glad Im not the only one to feel this way. It would novelty shows that would satisfy peoples desire for nostalgia but musically there woudn't be any magic. Any music they did together now as well would never meet his fan bases unrealistic expectations of him. I actually want him to do a one time show, record it and release it to put the fan calls for it to rest. And then let the man continue on with his life so that he doesnt have to remain a prisoner of his own past. Change it one more time.. | |
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Is Prince a prisoner of his past when he continues to play songs from that era? | |
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Just because the studio output from that era was the best, and we love them, doesn't automatically make them his best band when it comes to changing tempo, feel, dynamics etc... None of the rehearsals I've heard from those periods had playfulness when it comes to what I just mentioned. I remember Sheila E being pretty good at changing the attitude and dynamics of the songs live. The Revolution usually played to a strict James Beiwn type of approach, minus all the intricate syncopation. I loved it though. My Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/tundrah | |
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bobby z was just fine back then .. sure he probably cant do stupid latin marimba fills but lets face it .. prince sucks at that kind of music anyway .. i would say anything prince has done since is the 'novelty' and the revolution are just the real deal .. well oiled .. writers .. improvisers .. arrangers .. all to the effect of making prince music BETTER not worse like .. ahem .. hannah .. the rev in any incarnation was a band that had chemistry .. just listen to the huge change in live sound between PR and Parade tours and can u really say that the rev cant adapt and change? no you cant because it is horse shit .. but the point is more that they change prince music FOR THE BETTER unlike his lite jazz outfits and this rock n roll disaster with 3 eyes ..
what would be so stupidly nostalgic about a line up like ...
prince andre brown mark wendy lisa dez fink bobby z sheila e atlanta bliss eric leads
nothing .. that line up would be unstoppable any era any time of life ... that line up could put out the best music ever made new or old rehash .. i dont care to hear Blands bland hip hop beats .. i dont care to hear Blackwell and his cardboard sounding snare .. i dont want to hear renato turn all prince best songs into boring elevator jazz muzak .. i don't want to hear prince bar band level funk jams that any new orleans bar band can play .. and often better .. i dont wanna hear fucking rollercoaster of love any other bullshit cover tunes
prince could do a revolution tour and no doubt it would be the hottest ticket on the planet .. bar none ... u2 .. bruce .. the stones .. but with this 3 eyed puke band its just another year of prince in his stupid pajamas playing worn out garbage that sounds like it belongs in a garage in front of all 6 orgers who actually like this rubbish
a revolution era and band tour would be nothing but pure cream .. these days u can expect at minimum HALF of a prince show to SUCK .. maybe he will do 10 of his own songs in with 15 shitty cover songs, 10 of which his horrible back up singers take the lead on .. half his own songs will be very bad .. like screwdriver .. or the go crazy reflush .. with a rev tour we can at least hope for an actual full set of good songs .. and if wendy wants to sing I wonder U or lisa wants to sing A place in heaven .. jesus the crowd would go ape shit .. unlike hearing shelby cover some crappy sarah mclaughlin song and send everyone to the pisser
even as old farts the revolution would destroy everything prince had done since .. prince stubborness about this is why he has failed so often and so hugely all these years ..
setlist ... how about
wendy .. yes lisa computer blue 12 minutes including extra verses and breakdown erotic city 17 days the beautiful ones take me with u darling nikki how come u dont call me anymore electric intercourse something in the water when doves cry i would die 4 u possessed irrisistable bitch all the critics love u in ny feel u up baby i'm a star a case of u another lonely christmas lets go crazy 12 inch purple rain god
is it really that hard for prince to do a real tour with real music and real musicians .. can u really argue that u would not sell ur left nut to see this played live
instead we are gonna get 3rd puke playing plectrum in ur rectum songs mixed with sludged out go crazy and purple rain with no guitar .. and prince bragging the whole time about how this is somehow BETTER .. f u prince and ur no dirty word remasters that will certainly be brickwalled like a breakdown .. | |
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lol we must be talking about different things Just respond to my post, I didn't say in my post 'they were the greatest band' I don't mind 3rd Eye Girl. I'm just saying to Celebrate the 30th of Purple Rain do it with the people who were swetting in the Warehouse day and night with you to make this happen. Call the Time, and do a 1 time show or 3 day weekend show and make some money and have some fun. Do your Plectrum album and show and promote that music. Stop constantly falling back 2 a time that you say 'was then this is now' but for the last 15yrs the shows are filled with either 'music from then' and covers of other artists. | |
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I don't think anyone is really saying dump 3rdEyeGirl and reform the Revolution. I think most are just saying for the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain do it up big and do it with those who were there. . At the 2006 Brit Award Show (as many times as Prince performed Purple Rain) why did he give Tamar a kiss on the cheek when he had Wendy Melvoin Lisa Coleman and Sheila E performing with him?? . At the Coechella show, why did he have Morris & Jerome(the Time) & Sheila E open for his show and then announce "This is what the Purple Rain tour was supposed to be like" . Let's just stop pretending "Prince doesn't go back"... And like Stymie said, it's Prince that doesn't promote his own albums (after Gold) he performs mostly the song of 1979-1989 1990-1993/94 . Did Prince promote 20Ten? How much of the 3 disc LotusFlower set does he perform etc When he was Emancipated, out of the 3 albums he really played 5 songs, but he did play the 'hits' So who is enslaving who? | |
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I think he knows why the masses come to his shows. Orgers aren't filling up the stadiums he plays in, people who only know his early work are. His reputation as a live performer wouldnt be where it is today if he only played obscure stuff the masses didnt know. I even recall orgers complaining about shows in the 00's because he didn't play songs they knew. Change it one more time.. | |
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Thats all subjective. Change it one more time.. | |
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u said: And then let the man continue on with his life so that he doesnt have to remain a prisoner of his own past. . Prince doesn't always play stadiums. Prince plays a lot of smaller shows and such, and if he doesn't he can. Yet when he does he continues to play 'covers' People still come to hear Prince. As free thinking as he says he is, he should easily be able to create situations where he's playing all of his music. In 2007 @ 1st Avenue more than half of the setlist were covers (Shelby & Larry) I mean I think that whole not wanting to hear obscure stuff doesn't work. Playing covers doesn't mean people know these songs. He can still mix in 'hits' with new material. That's how people get interested. For me being an orger is how I became familiar with albums and music I didn't know. . Either he has to believe in it or not. So will he promote 3rd Eye Girl album music or continue to remix Revolution era music? | |
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Prince is just as much about business and he is about self-preservation. Prince wants to make a lot of money off of the 30TH Anniversary Deluxe Remastered reissue of "Purple Rain" the album, but doesn't want to deal with fan's hopes for a reunion of a show or tour. Plus, over the years he plays with members of The Revolution members at a time. 2004, Wendy played with Prince on Tavis Smiley, ESSENCE FESTIVAL, some Club 3121 shows, Lisa played with him during the 2006 Brit Awards and Bobby played 2 shows with Prince during the Live Out Loud Tour. But the thought of playing as The Revolution, heightened expectations from fans and critics, not to mention some possible past issues to smooth over, probably gives P pause. It wasn't smart for Prince to make those comments about The Revolution. He's obviously happy playing with 3EG, which I LOVE as a band and NPG which is over bloated. In short, it's one thing to play songs from the Purple Rain era because that's what people want to hear, but to play with The Revolution and have entitled fans dictate to you who to play, what songs to sing and even what clothes to wear, is enough for P to stay away from them like the plague. 3121 #1 THIS YEAR | |
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Eye'm aware of all the shows they have done together in the 2000's. Everybody has aged. But stand Prince next to any Revolution member now and they all look DECADES older than him...Except for Andre Cymone who was an original member not a replacement like Wendy(who was barely a band member at the time of Purple Rain shooting). will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. | |
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Exactly. Plus, the Revolution and Prince reunited (other than a 1 off gig perhaps to promote the rerelease) Would feel like an oldies group getting back together. Like if Wham got back together. 99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment | |
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It's true though. Most of us went to those wanting to see the movie on stage, in some way. I still think a Rock n' Roll Circus type show would be the best musically inspired self tribute possible - and let's face it, that's what Prince has settled in to. Nobody gripes when he brings Shiela E. or Morris Day out, so why would this be any different with the Revolution? I have a feeling people's reactions have a lot to do with when they first caught on to Prince. . How many 3rdEye songs will he be playing in 5 years anyway? The whole project is a novelty, if we're going to slight any of Prince's work as "novelty". And not even one that's original. Courtney Love did it with Hole. Prince might as well be using a group from a Girls Rock Camp. | |
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SoulAlive said: A reunion tour would be the hottest ticket of the year.What a missed opportunity! stadiums would be filled to the rafters and all you'd see was a purple rain haze | |
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Two things : Prince didn't state he's going to tour his 30year Purple Rain album. So The Revolution band we will never see again live, I think. To much happened too long ago. Second, he will release a new album. That's all he wants right now. The 3rdEye band isn't something you rehearse for over a year and a half, and then put aside. Impossible for Prince to fix that with a new band in two or three weeks, since he's coming to Europe for instance... Or even after that. The PR reissue will only be hot in 2014. Things need to go fast from now on, if Prince or WB want to make money out it the way they see it... "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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Slow Love, Strange Relationship, It's gonna be a Beautiful Night. Instrumental input on "all" three songs. The wooh is on the one! | |
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It not that hard for Prince to rerecord what others came up with. We all know he's capabale of playing what most of his early band members did on each instrument. He has done this through his entire career. Good examples are basslines on The Work and Do Me Baby originally played by Andre Cymone. Alot of his tracks were most likely repackaging alot of the jams from band rehearsals. If you're a good producer, you'll know where the cool bits and pieces fit together in a studio production. Very much like what a hip hop producer does with samples. Only difference is he is playing everything himself. If Prince and The Revolution came up with a binch of ideas for what would become Sign of The Times, he could easily either remove what they played, or record it again entirly by himself with some minor changes, so that they can't sue him for stealing. No matter what he does, the idea for alot of the songs were most likely something that came out of them working together. Not saying Prince wasn't able to create genuis stuff alone though. But one of his greatest skills was to hear what others have done that was good. Also the Little Red Corvette solo that was 3 different solos by Dez Dickerson that was glued together, is a perfect example of Prince using his skills similar to the modern sampling based producers. He knew what fit together in the end. My Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/tundrah | |
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He is a damn mess for saying that. If he said, "Jump!" they said, "How high?" if there wasn't any improvising, it's because he didn't call for it. The girls in 3eg are great musicians but they play on command! I have seen P more than once motion to Donna or Ida to go do a solo that they would never do without him saying so. UGH. I just want a fucking reunion at First Ave. Just one. He doesn't have to tour with them, record with them or climb into the fucking bed with Wendy and Lisa. Damn it. It broke my heart the last time they thought he might show up and play with them and he didn't. (I think it was the '03 reunion video where they were discussing if he would show?) These people had a big part in making Prince who he is.. instead of talking down to them, he should be thanking them. I hate his attitude at times! Everybody stop on the 1...GOOD GOD! Uhh! | |
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