http://www.billboard.com/...b-of-label

A not too bad (though incomplete and US-centric) overview that basically shows why Prince regaining power over his classics is a bad thing. Note how most of the things mentioned are unavailable nowadays...

I'm a bit puzzled by this:

Since then, Prince-related sites have popped up and vanished with the frequency of his musical protégés: 3121.com housed content and (often-cryptic) information around the time of that 2006 album; MPLSound.com arose in the LotusFlow3r era; and Prince2013.com (initially 20Pr1nc3.com) carried the "Screw Driver" video and a three-hour 2009 concert before shutting down.

Which "three-hour 2009 concert" was that? Can't recall this at all.

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.billboard.com/...b-of-label

A not too bad (though incomplete and US-centric) overview that basically shows why Prince regaining power over his classics is a bad thing. Note how most of the things mentioned are unavailable nowadays...

I'm a bit puzzled by this:

Since then, Prince-related sites have popped up and vanished with the frequency of his musical protégés: 3121.com housed content and (often-cryptic) information around the time of that 2006 album; MPLSound.com arose in the LotusFlow3r era; and Prince2013.com (initially 20Pr1nc3.com) carried the "Screw Driver" video and a three-hour 2009 concert before shutting down.

Which "three-hour 2009 concert" was that? Can't recall this at all.

they're probably under the impression that the Montreux show was up on Prince2013,

when it was only (yet another) promo clip for product that never surfaced.

What was the name of the website Prince had that started with a slow moving shot of outer space and then you clicked on something and it took you to the gates of a Kingdom Hall? Then you were in the lobby and each stair case took you to a different room. It was very flash heavy.

Boy was that set up annoying. If you had slow internet, you were cursing the screen the whole time.

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Milty said:

What was the name of the website Prince had that started with a slow moving shot of outer space and then you clicked on something and it took you to the gates of a Kingdom Hall? Then you were in the lobby and each stair case took you to a different room. It was very flash heavy.

Boy was that set up annoying. If you had slow internet, you were cursing the screen the whole time.

[Edited 4/29/14 14:52pm]

That was the late, great NPG Music Club.

^ http://www.princevault.co...Music_Club

IstenSzek said:

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.billboard.com/...b-of-label

A not too bad (though incomplete and US-centric) overview that basically shows why Prince regaining power over his classics is a bad thing. Note how most of the things mentioned are unavailable nowadays...

I'm a bit puzzled by this:

Which "three-hour 2009 concert" was that? Can't recall this at all.

they're probably under the impression that the Montreux show was up on Prince2013,

when it was only (yet another) promo clip for product that never surfaced.

Yep - mp4 trailer:

http://www.princevault.co...ce2013.com

Se7en said:

The mansion version of NPGMC was the best website he's had. The Reflection room was my favorite. Lots of little treats in there, such as (IIRC) the I Feel 4U remix/mashup of both his and Chaka's versions. The 2004 Musicology Store was also in the mansion, right?

agreed... that room kept me hanging on as a P fan

Interesting article. If they had included every single online source in the past couple years, the article would have been twice as long...

Quite a messy history, no other artist could...

As always this article is full of mistakes and approximations. When u're a hardcore fan of an artist and u read an article of them u can c how full of shit music journalists r nowadays: I mean if every article about every artist is as full of mistakes/approximations as the articles about Prince are, it's really disastrous.

NPGMC was the best thing he did. It gave us lots of music to keep us interested, the Ahdio shows were something to look forward to every month, the presale tickets and the soundchecks were fantastic and everyone got real value for money.

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I remember downloading TRC from the website over dialup and it taking a whole day. Watching that progress bar slowly creep up was agonising.

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Such a shame our lifetime memberships only lasted 2 years. I guess Prince either got bored with it or the subscription model didnt generate as much money for him that he hoped.

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Every other website has been a disaster.

IstenSzek said:

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.billboard.com/...b-of-label

A not too bad (though incomplete and US-centric) overview that basically shows why Prince regaining power over his classics is a bad thing. Note how most of the things mentioned are unavailable nowadays...

I'm a bit puzzled by this:

Which "three-hour 2009 concert" was that? Can't recall this at all.

they're probably under the impression that the Montreux show was up on Prince2013,

when it was only (yet another) promo clip for product that never surfaced.

That's what I was thinking, yes. Was wondering for a minute whether I'd missed something but PrinceVault didn't have that three hour concert video listed either.

It's just a guide. It's not claiming to be the definitive guide. It's Billboard magazine for goodness sakes. These articles are intended for the people that didn't pay close attention.

treehouse said:

It's just a guide. It's not claiming to be the definitive guide. It's Billboard magazine for goodness sakes. These articles are intended for the people that didn't pay close attention.

There's a profession called journalism.

It's about factual accuracy.

Not opinions.

Not approximations.

Facts.

Verified facts.

That last word is the very basis of the credibility of that profession named journalism.

Whether we're talking music or sports or history or politics doesn't matter, factual accuracy is the key word in that job, or at least should be.

"That last artuicle about Barack Obama's politics was full of mistakes and approximations"

"It's just a guide. It's not claiming to be the definitive guide. It's the New York Times for goodness sakes. These articles are intended for the people that didn't pay close attention."

Yeah, right.

databank said:

There's a profession called journalism.

It's about factual accuracy.

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What are you prattling on about? Journalism? It's a trade publication that largely reprints press releases verbatim, and always has.

It's not a guide to Obamacare, it's just some guiding commentary about the last 20 years of one musical artists output.

I can't think of a poorer excuse to go on a rant about the sad state of journalism today.

The errors and ommisions are inconsequential, and this wasn't for Prince's avid fanbase.

If you're going to take a stand against lightweight articles full of wrong info, you might as well avoid reading any press about Prince.

BartVanHemelen said:

IstenSzek said:

they're probably under the impression that the Montreux show was up on Prince2013,

when it was only (yet another) promo clip for product that never surfaced.

That's what I was thinking, yes. Was wondering for a minute whether I'd missed something but PrinceVault didn't have that three hour concert video listed either.

But Bart even if the 3hr Montreux show WAS on the website YOU would not have wanted to watch it though right?

treehouse said:

databank said:

There's a profession called journalism.

It's about factual accuracy.

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What are you prattling on about? Journalism? It's a trade publication that largely reprints press releases verbatim, and always has.

It's not a guide to Obamacare, it's just some guiding commentary about the last 20 years of one musical artists output.

I can't think of a poorer excuse to go on a rant about the sad state of journalism today.

The errors and ommisions are inconsequential, and this wasn't for Prince's avid fanbase.

If you're going to take a stand against lightweight articles full of wrong info, you might as well avoid reading any press about Prince.

So now it's becoming personal, huh? I thought on another thread we could speak u know... like normal people... but now I c where this is going so goodbye.

databank said:

So now it's becoming personal, huh?

I merely addressed your post.

treehouse said:

databank said:

There's a profession called journalism.

It's about factual accuracy.

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What are you prattling on about? Journalism? It's a trade publication that largely reprints press releases verbatim, and always has.

It's not a guide to Obamacare, it's just some guiding commentary about the last 20 years of one musical artists output.

I can't think of a poorer excuse to go on a rant about the sad state of journalism today.

The errors and ommisions are inconsequential, and this wasn't for Prince's avid fanbase.

If you're going to take a stand against lightweight articles full of wrong info, you might as well avoid reading any press about Prince.

This thread got me thinking about Prince's first website, The Dawn, which had his (first) wedding photographs on. Was this the same website that had some free music downloads, including a live performance of Gett Off?

I cannot remember which website had the One Song 'video' - love4oneanother.com?

Seems such a long time ago (The Dawn was launched in 1996, if I remember correctly)! Happy times with his websites and a time when alt.music.prince was active and informative.

JudasSmile said:

KingSausage said:

JudasSmile said:

This thread got me thinking about Prince's first website, The Dawn, which had his (first) wedding photographs on. Was this the same website that had some free music downloads, including a live performance of Gett Off?

I cannot remember which website had the One Song 'video' - love4oneanother.com?

Seems such a long time ago (The Dawn was launched in 1996, if I remember correctly)! Happy times with his websites and a time when alt.music.prince was active and informative.

One Song. Oh, Jesus, what a load of shit.

It certainly was. Followed by something almost as bad: Cybersingle. I had blocked that single from my memory until just now.

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JudasSmile said:

KingSausage said:

JudasSmile said: One Song. Oh, Jesus, what a load of shit.

It certainly was. Followed by something almost as bad: Cybersingle. I had blocked that single from my memory until just now.

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Hated One Song. Loved Cybersingle.

As collectors, it was really nice to get all of the downloads he offered us. As music lovers, a lot of it was hit-or-miss. Out of all of the NPGMC stuff, I would say that about 1/3 of it was memorable.

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Years ago (probably 20) a coworker of mine brought in all of his Bjork stuff. B-sides and rarities that made my Prince collection look tame. I guess there are a lot of "cult" artists and even more "cultish" fans than just Prince.

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.billboard.com/...b-of-label

A not too bad (though incomplete and US-centric) overview that basically shows why Prince regaining power over his classics is a bad thing. Note how most of the things mentioned are unavailable nowadays...

I'm a bit puzzled by this:

Since then, Prince-related sites have popped up and vanished with the frequency of his musical protégés: 3121.com housed content and (often-cryptic) information around the time of that 2006 album; MPLSound.com arose in the LotusFlow3r era; and Prince2013.com (initially 20Pr1nc3.com) carried the "Screw Driver" video and a three-hour 2009 concert before shutting down.

Which "three-hour 2009 concert" was that? Can't recall this at all.

Warner Brothers will be working with him on the masters projects so I do not see how is independent deals have anything to do with the current deal with WB. The fact that the writer thinks that by discussing his misses ( I am sure he does not see it that way) as an independent artist is just the industry being negative about the WB deal.

Let us all be honest P has burned a lot of bridges in the industry and plenty of people are probably not happy at how he keeps getting over. Haters are going to hate.

laurarichardson said:

Warner Brothers will be working with him on the masters projects so I do not see how is independent deals have anything to do with the current deal with WB. The fact that the writer thinks that by discussing his misses ( I am sure he does not see it that way) as an independent artist is just the industry being negative about the WB deal.

Let us all be honest P has burned a lot of bridges in the industry and plenty of people are probably not happy at how he keeps getting over. Haters are going to hate.

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I love how you fail to see that all the nonsense you just typed is projection, i.e. this is not what happened, but it is what you would do.

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The reality is that most/all of those things are failures. At best they provided some short-term gain, but none of them pointed towards a viable, long-term business model.

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Also, i'm still waiting for the answer to my question: if P's post-WB music was "just as good" as his WB-music, how come P never cares for it to remain available? What is stopping him?

jaypotton said:

BartVanHemelen said:

That's what I was thinking, yes. Was wondering for a minute whether I'd missed something but PrinceVault didn't have that three hour concert video listed either.

But Bart even if the 3hr Montreux show WAS on the website YOU would not have wanted to watch it though right?

My concern here was the accuracy of the reporting. And there's also the fatc that despite this involving things that happened less than 18 montsh ago already there is some confusion as to what was released (or not) on which website.

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But daring to point out what a convoluted mess Prince's non-strategy is, makes you a hater and probably an employee of the record labels who tremble in fear of Prince's highly succesful business ventures (please ignore repeated reports of unpaid bills and unpaid taxes etc).

BartVanHemelen said:

laurarichardson said:

Warner Brothers will be working with him on the masters projects so I do not see how is independent deals have anything to do with the current deal with WB. The fact that the writer thinks that by discussing his misses ( I am sure he does not see it that way) as an independent artist is just the industry being negative about the WB deal.

Let us all be honest P has burned a lot of bridges in the industry and plenty of people are probably not happy at how he keeps getting over. Haters are going to hate.

.

I love how you fail to see that all the nonsense you just typed is projection, i.e. this is not what happened, but it is what you would do.

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The reality is that most/all of those things are failures. At best they provided some short-term gain, but none of them pointed towards a viable, long-term business model.

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Also, i'm still waiting for the answer to my question: if P's post-WB music was "just as good" as his WB-music, how come P never cares for it to remain available? What is stopping him?

Whether his post WB music is as good as his WB music or not, we know P is full enough of himself not to doubt the qualities of his post WB output. The reason, I think, is that he doesn't care: he could easily have a website where all his post WB music is available at least digitally: it wouldn't cost him a dime, there would be no risk of loss (contrarly to printing physical copies) and there would always be SOME folks to go and purchase it. Same with all those Paisley Park albums he owns, he could put 'em on such a website as well. Nothing's stopping him but I can hardly imagine Prince thinking "naw, what I did since 1996 is so bad that I'm too ashamed of it to keep it in print": it doesn't really fit the character, does it?

laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.billboard.com/...b-of-label

A not too bad (though incomplete and US-centric) overview that basically shows why Prince regaining power over his classics is a bad thing. Note how most of the things mentioned are unavailable nowadays...

I'm a bit puzzled by this:

Which "three-hour 2009 concert" was that? Can't recall this at all.

Warner Brothers will be working with him on the masters projects so I do not see how is independent deals have anything to do with the current deal with WB. The fact that the writer thinks that by discussing his misses ( I am sure he does not see it that way) as an independent artist is just the industry being negative about the WB deal.

Let us all be honest P has burned a lot of bridges in the industry and plenty of people are probably not happy at how he keeps getting over. Haters are going to hate.

IDK about that.

Sony (which now owns BMG and Arista) was willing to distribute his last single.

It seems there was no conflict between P and Universal (which now owns EMI) around the release of 3121 so there's no reason to think Universal wouldn't work with him again.

WB just got a new deal with him.

Those are the 3 remaining majors and it seems P is able to work with any of them whenever he so wishes and no matter his past turmoils with some of them.