donnyenglish said:

Morris and The Time were just as important to Purple Rain as Prince. Any 30th anniversary set needs to include deluxe and enhanced music from The Time.

You mean just Jungle Love and The Bird right?

donnyenglish said:

Morris and The Time were just as important to Purple Rain as Prince. Any 30th anniversary set needs to include deluxe and enhanced music from The Time.

Dez dickerson's Modernaire should be on there too, was always disappointed that wasnt on the soundtrack.

WisdomNLove said:

donnyenglish said:

Morris and The Time were just as important to Purple Rain as Prince. Any 30th anniversary set needs to include deluxe and enhanced music from The Time.

You mean just Jungle Love and The Bird right?

and Chili Sauce (the scene where Morris meets Appolonia at 1st Avenue)

It would be such a dick move, but I'd do a hundred cartwheels if he released all-Prince versions of The Time records. And The Family record, too. After getting into his demos from that one again recently, I totally forgot that High Fashion was meant to be a duet with him and St. Paul.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

It would be such a dick move, but I'd do a hundred cartwheels if he released all-Prince versions of The Time records. And The Family record, too. After getting into his demos from that one again recently, I totally forgot that High Fashion was meant to be a duet with him and St. Paul.

Totally! I would like to hear his vocal cue tracks that he recorded for Day to follow.

I hope all the associated albums get re-released, like Madhouse ESPECIALLY. Three O'Clock's album would be nice too. (PRince's demo for "Neon Telephone" as bonus track? Yes please!)

But I doubt it'll happen. Maybe WB will end up doing a "Best of Paisley Park" compilation album instead?

RRA said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

It would be such a dick move, but I'd do a hundred cartwheels if he released all-Prince versions of The Time records. And The Family record, too. After getting into his demos from that one again recently, I totally forgot that High Fashion was meant to be a duet with him and St. Paul.

Totally! I would like to hear his vocal cue tracks that he recorded for Day to follow.

I hope all the associated albums get re-released, like Madhouse ESPECIALLY. Three O'Clock's album would be nice too. (PRince's demo for "Neon Telephone" as bonus track? Yes please!)

But I doubt it'll happen. Maybe WB will end up doing a "Best of Paisley Park" compilation album instead?

The possiblities are endless!

How The Bird WITH Jesse's solo in it????

donnyenglish said:

Morris and The Time were just as important to Purple Rain as Prince. Any 30th anniversary set needs to include deluxe and enhanced music from The Time.

Amen!

Also the other related artists of that time.

How can we find out if they were even considered?

NO NO NO NO NO, the Time songs belong on the Ice Cream Castles remaster, leave them outta PR!!!

I don't care about The Revolution, I care even less about The Time. I wouldn't think there would be much money to be gained from Time remasters.

TheEnglishGent said:

I don't care about The Revolution, I care even less about The Time. I wouldn't think there would be much money to be gained from Time remasters.

Do u c what they've been remastering over the last 10 years?

There's more money to make from a The Time remaster than from a André Cymone or a Lewis Connection remaster. They'll do it.

databank said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I don't care about The Revolution, I care even less about The Time. I wouldn't think there would be much money to be gained from Time remasters.

Do u c what they've been remastering over the last 10 years?

There's more money to make from a The Time remaster than from a André Cymone or a Lewis Connection remaster. They'll do it.

Of course they'll market it as a Prince side-project, as they will do with every other side project. Why do u think P didn't allow them to use the name The Time? So he could get the masters!

You know, the counterargument to "Prince should release all that stuff from the '80's!" has always been "Who's going to buy it? All the people interested in it already have it on bootlegs".

This new deal with WB may give Prince the chance to experiment with releasing 80's outtakes and gems, and do it on Warner's dime. Maybe if the WB-released stuff sells well, Prince might be convinced there's a market for all the stuff he has under his own name in the vault.

WisdomNLove said:

donnyenglish said:

Morris and The Time were just as important to Purple Rain as Prince. Any 30th anniversary set needs to include deluxe and enhanced music from The Time.

Dez dickerson's Modernaire should be on there too, was always disappointed that wasnt on the soundtrack.

The charm of that song begins and ends with the fact that we were all happy when Dez popped up on the screen during the movie. And add to the fact that about 300 people showed up knowing the dance to it. What are the words to that song? What the hell is a Modernaire, and why does he want so badley to be one?

databank said:

NO NO NO NO NO, the Time songs belong on the Ice Cream Castles remaster, leave them outta PR!!!

In the project.

Separate CD (set).

As much as I love the Time, and trust me, I'm a fanatic, from a marketing standpoint, only marginal money could be made on remastering. Prince's remastering may be a big money loser, with the attention Prince and Warners gets as the only saving grace. Maybe Purple Rain and 1999 might make a small profit, but The Time? Nope. Still, I'd love a box set with the Time's first 3 albums remastered and a disc of single mixes, 12 inch, and the few outtakes that may exist from 1980-1984. There is little to prove to me that the Andre Cymone remasters made dollar one. After production costs, and manufacturing there was hardly millions floating around. Remember, The Time themselves couldn't even tour for Condensate. If Prince was involved, with a double threat tour, it might have made a couple of pennies...but it's 2014, not 1995, when a proper Time Reunion with remasters might have made a tiny splash. They blew it by not making new albums every 4 years or so...and are sadly forgotten by the non diehards.

I maintain that many much more obscure acts see their work rereleased and/or remastered every year, in every musical genre.

The Time, The Family, Madhouse, Jill Jones and all OF COURSE have to be marketed as Prince remasters (which they are anyway): obviously if done that way they will attract the attention of casual listeners who have no idea who The Time is but has enough neurons in their brains to understand that their albums are Prince albums in disguise.

The situation of the music industry is bad but no one will make me buy the fact that albums and side-projects by one of the biggest superstar alive today can't be profitable. I'm not saying millions and millions of copies sold but profitable, yes. + everyone seems to forget that these remasters will not only be available as expensive box-sets on CD, but also as cheap digital downloads (that's how I, for one, will buy them), and with digital sales now overrulling physical sales, this massively expends the audience AND reduces production costs (no need to print CD's that will end-up in the 1 dollar bin).

For that reason I am convinced that the reason P fought for the names The Time and The Family is because he wanted to make sure he'd remain sole owner of these album's masters, and that on the long run all those albums will be remastered and rereleased with additional material. Maybe not next year, maybe not even before a while, but eventually it will. These albums are just as much part of P's legacy as the "Prince" albums.

databank said:

I maintain that many much more obscure acts see their work rereleased and/or remastered every year, in every musical genre.

The Time, The Family, Madhouse, Jill Jones and all OF COURSE have to be marketed as Prince remasters (which they are anyway): obviously if done that way they will attract the attention of casual listeners who have no idea who The Time is but has enough neurons in their brains to understand that their albums are Prince albums in disguise.

The situation of the music industry is bad but no one will make me buy the fact that albums and side-projects by one of the biggest superstar alive today can't be profitable. I'm not saying millions and millions of copies sold but profitable, yes. + everyone seems to forget that these remasters will not only be available as expensive box-sets on CD, but also as cheap digital downloads (that's how I, for one, will buy them), and with digital sales now overrulling physical sales, this massively expends the audience AND reduces production costs (no need to print CD's that will end-up in the 1 dollar bin).

For that reason I am convinced that the reason P fought for the names The Time and The Family is because he wanted to make sure he'd remain sole owner of these album's masters, and that on the long run all those albums will be remastered and rereleased with additional material. Maybe not next year, maybe not even before a while, but eventually it will. These albums are just as much part of P's legacy as the "Prince" albums.

I'm not convinced, I wouldn't buy any Time remasters, or any side projects for that matter. I can't imagine anybody outside of the hardcore would be interested.

However, if they released them with Prince vocals...

TheEnglishGent said:

databank said:

I maintain that many much more obscure acts see their work rereleased and/or remastered every year, in every musical genre.

The Time, The Family, Madhouse, Jill Jones and all OF COURSE have to be marketed as Prince remasters (which they are anyway): obviously if done that way they will attract the attention of casual listeners who have no idea who The Time is but has enough neurons in their brains to understand that their albums are Prince albums in disguise.

The situation of the music industry is bad but no one will make me buy the fact that albums and side-projects by one of the biggest superstar alive today can't be profitable. I'm not saying millions and millions of copies sold but profitable, yes. + everyone seems to forget that these remasters will not only be available as expensive box-sets on CD, but also as cheap digital downloads (that's how I, for one, will buy them), and with digital sales now overrulling physical sales, this massively expends the audience AND reduces production costs (no need to print CD's that will end-up in the 1 dollar bin).

For that reason I am convinced that the reason P fought for the names The Time and The Family is because he wanted to make sure he'd remain sole owner of these album's masters, and that on the long run all those albums will be remastered and rereleased with additional material. Maybe not next year, maybe not even before a while, but eventually it will. These albums are just as much part of P's legacy as the "Prince" albums.

I'm not convinced, I wouldn't buy any Time remasters, or any side projects for that matter. I can't imagine anybody outside of the hardcore would be interested.

However, if they released them with Prince vocals...

Remasters without additional material have little interest, even I wouldn't buy them. But all these hardcore hi-fi fans who insult you here when u say u listen to MP3 because only FLAC sounds good enough for them will buy them. Whether P wishes us to hear his own renditions of these songs remains to be seen but to get the interest of everyone concerned there would have to be previously unreleased bonus tracks in one form or another AND sound improvement.

The fact that u're not convinced isn't really... no offence... making a difference. As I said every year forgotten gems (or even sometimes forgotten boring pieces of junk) are being rereleased and remastered by indie labels or majors sublabels (I'll give u that there r many people here like u who don't consider Prince's music to be real Prince music when he ain't singing, as if P was just a singer in the first place, I've never understood that, it's an absurdity to me: Prince isn't Whitney Houston). Maybe u wouldn't buy 'em: many other people would, including funk fans or pop fans who are not specifically Prince fans but like P's work among other funk/pop acts and may enjoy his side projects (I'm even quite sure that some people enjoy The Time more than Prince, it was the case at the time). Believing that these records will stay out of print forever is totally absurd, once again we're talking about one of the most influencial and important artists of the second half of the 20th century. The "worst" that could happen is that they'd be rereleased digitally only (digitally remastering albums ain't that expensive and releasing an album online implies no production costs), but believe me rereleasing that stuff with bonus material would make some money. I know people who run labels that sell between 10,000 and 50,000 copies of each album they release: it's their job and they make a living. Are you saying their lives and their jobs are meaningless? If WB isn't interested Prince can easily find small labels like Purple Music (just an example) that would dramatically increase their income by rereleasing that stuff because for them 50,000 copies is a lot of sales and money. WB could also let small sublabels they own do the job to make them a bit more profitable. Prince could simply do it himself by releasing the stuff digitally only. The problem with many people here is that they believe that the music industry is only majors and that any album in the world selling less than 500,000 copies is a commercial failure. This is totally absurd: most of the music industry consists of small label that sell little quantities and still manage to generate enough profit to keep going, and many of these labels increase their income with rereleases (that don't imply costly studio time in recording sessions). How many copies do u think André Cymone sold with his remasters? Why do u think Pepé Willie has rereleased his 94 East stuff so many times over the years if not for money? How many copies do u think Cherry Pop and Virgin sold of their rerelease of Wendy & Lisa's Fruit At The Bottom? So OK u may not be convinced but believe me, all these labels ARE.

Buckethead has released, PHYSICALLY, 46, yeah FORTY SIX albums in 2 years. How many people do u think even know who Buckethead is and buy his records, let alone all of them? Still, if he does it it's that it's profitable to some extent.

John Zorn releases, PHYSICALLY, an average of an album every 2 months on his own label, and if I'm not mistaken he also maintains most, if not his whole catalogue (100+ albums) on print, PHYSICALLY. How many people know who John Zorn is and buy his albums, let alone all of them? Still, if he does it it's that it's profitable to some extent.

How can it be possible that there's no money to be made with The Time???

SchlomoThaHomo said:

It would be such a dick move, but I'd do a hundred cartwheels if he released all-Prince versions of The Time records. And The Family record, too. After getting into his demos from that one again recently, I totally forgot that High Fashion was meant to be a duet with him and St. Paul.

That would be awesome, and he is probably racing to release The Family's album as his own

stillwaiting said:

As much as I love the Time, and trust me, I'm a fanatic, from a marketing standpoint, only marginal money could be made on remastering. Prince's remastering may be a big money loser, with the attention Prince and Warners gets as the only saving grace. Maybe Purple Rain and 1999 might make a small profit, but The Time? Nope. Still, I'd love a box set with the Time's first 3 albums remastered and a disc of single mixes, 12 inch, and the few outtakes that may exist from 1980-1984. There is little to prove to me that the Andre Cymone remasters made dollar one. After production costs, and manufacturing there was hardly millions floating around. Remember, The Time themselves couldn't even tour for Condensate. If Prince was involved, with a double threat tour, it might have made a couple of pennies...but it's 2014, not 1995, when a proper Time Reunion with remasters might have made a tiny splash. They blew it by not making new albums every 4 years or so...and are sadly forgotten by the non diehards.

There are a long list of new fans for the film especially since they air it like every week on cable who I believe will purchase the album. Remastering a masterpiece is never a money loser, its a great investment! especially tied to the release of a new album and the awareness it'll drive for it.

As far as the Time, I agree with you on all your points. Outside of ALL music from Purple Rain appearing on a 30th anniversary box set, I dont care to see them reunited or a tour of any sorts in 2014. I agree they blew it by letting their egos get in front of any new music. Morris Day is still an egotistical fart til this day.

[Edited 4/22/14 12:37pm]

WisdomNLove said:

stillwaiting said:

As much as I love the Time, and trust me, I'm a fanatic, from a marketing standpoint, only marginal money could be made on remastering. Prince's remastering may be a big money loser, with the attention Prince and Warners gets as the only saving grace. Maybe Purple Rain and 1999 might make a small profit, but The Time? Nope. Still, I'd love a box set with the Time's first 3 albums remastered and a disc of single mixes, 12 inch, and the few outtakes that may exist from 1980-1984. There is little to prove to me that the Andre Cymone remasters made dollar one. After production costs, and manufacturing there was hardly millions floating around. Remember, The Time themselves couldn't even tour for Condensate. If Prince was involved, with a double threat tour, it might have made a couple of pennies...but it's 2014, not 1995, when a proper Time Reunion with remasters might have made a tiny splash. They blew it by not making new albums every 4 years or so...and are sadly forgotten by the non diehards.

There are a long list of new fans for the film especially since they air it like every week on cable who I believe will purchase the album. Remastering a masterpiece is never a money loser, its a great investment! especially tied to the release of a new album and the awareness it'll drive for it.

As far as the Time, I agree with you on all your points. Outside of ALL music from Purple Rain appearing on a 30th anniversary box set, I dont care to see them reunited or a tour of any sorts in 2014. I agree they blew it by letting their egos get in front of any new music. Morris Day is still an egotistical fart til this day.

[Edited 4/22/14 12:37pm]

Morris may have his issues, and those issues played a role in the demise of The Time, but he's actually a really nice guy who had absolutely nothing to gain being nice to me, and without coming off as one of those people who brag about their interactions with the famous...Morris personally did multiple acts of kindness for me without asking anything in return.

for those of you saying that the Time remasters wouldn't sell much...keep in mind that,these days,even obscure,rare albums are remastered by labels like Big Break Records and FunkytownGrooves.I'm talking about albums that didn't even have hit singles! There is a market out there for this stuff.Remasters of the Time albums would definitely sell.

SoulAlive said:

for those of you saying that the Time remasters wouldn't sell much...keep in mind that,these days,even obscure,rare albums are remastered by labels like Big Break Records and FunkytownGrooves.I'm talking about albums that didn't even have hit singles! There is a market out there for this stuff.Remasters of the Time albums would definitely sell.

Most of the remasters of lower selling stuff is done because somebody out there cares about the music. Both the artist, or the original production team, or a few obsessed fans who have connections. In the case of the Time, it would take Prince involvement, and I don't think he cares. If there was a promise of 100,000 units moved, then he might listen, but the first 3 Time albums are in the 4.99 bins for a reason...the public as a whole doesn't care. I'd pay $60 for Box set of all the Time stuff remastered, but who else would? Even if they put the Box Set at $18, I doubt it would sell enough to make enough of a profit for Prince to want to do it.

stillwaiting said:

SoulAlive said:

for those of you saying that the Time remasters wouldn't sell much...keep in mind that,these days,even obscure,rare albums are remastered by labels like Big Break Records and FunkytownGrooves.I'm talking about albums that didn't even have hit singles! There is a market out there for this stuff.Remasters of the Time albums would definitely sell.

Most of the remasters of lower selling stuff is done because somebody out there cares about the music. Both the artist, or the original production team, or a few obsessed fans who have connections. In the case of the Time, it would take Prince involvement, and I don't think he cares. If there was a promise of 100,000 units moved, then he might listen, but the first 3 Time albums are in the 4.99 bins for a reason...the public as a whole doesn't care. I'd pay $60 for Box set of all the Time stuff remastered, but who else would? Even if they put the Box Set at $18, I doubt it would sell enough to make enough of a profit for Prince to want to do it.

so,basically you're saying that nobody cares about Prince's proteges,or music that he produced for others? I beg to differ.Come on,if Andre Cymone's 'A/C' album can be remastered as a 2-disc set (!),surely the Time albums deserve to be remastered,too

SoulAlive said:

stillwaiting said:

Most of the remasters of lower selling stuff is done because somebody out there cares about the music. Both the artist, or the original production team, or a few obsessed fans who have connections. In the case of the Time, it would take Prince involvement, and I don't think he cares. If there was a promise of 100,000 units moved, then he might listen, but the first 3 Time albums are in the 4.99 bins for a reason...the public as a whole doesn't care. I'd pay $60 for Box set of all the Time stuff remastered, but who else would? Even if they put the Box Set at $18, I doubt it would sell enough to make enough of a profit for Prince to want to do it.

so,basically you're saying that nobody cares about Prince's proteges,or music that he produced for others? I beg to differ.Come on,if Andre Cymone's 'A/C' album can be remastered as a 2-disc set (!),surely the Time albums deserve to be remastered,too

That, and maybe now that he's got his masters and the keys to the vault, Prince could at last start thinking about something more important than money: his LEGACY.

stillwaiting said:

WisdomNLove said:

There are a long list of new fans for the film especially since they air it like every week on cable who I believe will purchase the album. Remastering a masterpiece is never a money loser, its a great investment! especially tied to the release of a new album and the awareness it'll drive for it.

As far as the Time, I agree with you on all your points. Outside of ALL music from Purple Rain appearing on a 30th anniversary box set, I dont care to see them reunited or a tour of any sorts in 2014. I agree they blew it by letting their egos get in front of any new music. Morris Day is still an egotistical fart til this day.

[Edited 4/22/14 12:37pm]

Morris may have his issues, and those issues played a role in the demise of The Time, but he's actually a really nice guy who had absolutely nothing to gain being nice to me, and without coming off as one of those people who brag about their interactions with the famous...Morris personally did multiple acts of kindness for me without asking anything in return.

oh i didnt say he wasnt a nice guy, I know plenty of nice guys with massive egos. I think all of the guys from the Time are nice good people, especially Jam & Lewis

SoulAlive said:

stillwaiting said:

Most of the remasters of lower selling stuff is done because somebody out there cares about the music. Both the artist, or the original production team, or a few obsessed fans who have connections. In the case of the Time, it would take Prince involvement, and I don't think he cares. If there was a promise of 100,000 units moved, then he might listen, but the first 3 Time albums are in the 4.99 bins for a reason...the public as a whole doesn't care. I'd pay $60 for Box set of all the Time stuff remastered, but who else would? Even if they put the Box Set at $18, I doubt it would sell enough to make enough of a profit for Prince to want to do it.

so,basically you're saying that nobody cares about Prince's proteges,or music that he produced for others? I beg to differ.Come on,if Andre Cymone's 'A/C' album can be remastered as a 2-disc set (!),surely the Time albums deserve to be remastered,too

There's no correlation to a remaster and big sales. Just because Andre's album has been remastered, doesn't mean it makes much money. Maybe I missed it, at which position did the album chart and how long has it spent in the top 100?