paulludvig said:

databank said:

Huh??? If u had any idea of what kind of a person I am and what my life has been like so far u'd probably feel ashamed to have told me not to be a sheep.

I don't c how I can b beyond hope when all I do is take known facts and conclude that unless/until proven untrue or doubtful (or at least unless/until we have solid elements that contradicts what was known so far), the historical data research has revealed has to be considered true.

What you people do is shameful: u take personnal theories based, I say it again, on NOTHING but your own delusions and u will try everything to demonstrate that ur theories make sense, stretching reality as far as it can be stretched, going as far as to use totally absurd arguments such as the one above about people having signed confidentiality agreements which makes no sense at all to try and make a point. This is damn INSANE!

U wanna play who's sheep, let's play. U know I believe in one philosophic rule that says that logic should be the mother of all thinking.

What I read above is:

1/ Prince collaborators sign confidentiality agreements (true but as a matter of fact it wasn't yet the case in 1987 but let's say u didn't know that).

2/ Confidentiality agreements are more than just about NOT disclosing confidential informations, they also involve people having to make-up stories or confirm the lies of the ex-employer (u find me a lawyer that confirms that: I give u 100 bucks!).

3/ The official story is that P took xtc with Ingrid and therefore cancelled TBA (yeah OK, so u find me an interview where Prince tells that story before Per Nielsen's research revealed it and I give u another 100 bucks, because as far as I know he never ever spoke about all this and if it wasn't for Nielsen all we'd know is that he changed his mind about the record because he felt it was morally wrong, which isn't exactly the same as to say that whole story about drugs and depression).

4/ Someone who signed a confidentiality agreement is contractually obliged to tell that his ex-employer was depressed and took drugs, all things that took him to take an irrational decision that cost him and his record company hundreds of thousands of dollars in loss (that makes perfect sense: confidentiality agreements are all about having to criticize your ex employer, talk about his drugs habits, personal experiences and disastrous business decisions, that's a well know fact )

5/ And on top of it all u say that only Prince could tell the truth, so if I get u, people who told that story were acting as Prince's puppets, feeding us an "official" version that actually is only official in your disturbed minds, but if Prince was telling us his own official version of the story then he could be trusted... huh... come again?

So yeah sure, go on all u want speaking nonsense and call whoever doesn't buy your nonsense a sheep, but u guys don't fool anyone. What u r is irrational. U know, creationists, holocaust negationists and conspirationists do what u do all the time, trying to manipulate people into believing that their nonsense is based on "facts" by just distorting what is known and trying to abuse naive people.

The problem with this "we don't know nothing for sure so every theory is worth any other" is that it means that basically we have no ground AT ALL to distinguish facts from fiction, and that's the argument religious fanatics, neo-nazis and paranoid conspirationists use all the time to try and sell their insane ideas to the masses. So OK this is just about Prince and TBA and it's not like it's really important, but when u use the same methods as people who say God created the Earth in a week and that men lived among dinosaurs for some time or people who say Nazis never killed a single Jew or created extermination camps, u're basically contributing to help them spread their ideas because after all, if your "logic" works for TBA, it works with everything else doesn't it?

This is something I can't accept and if this is being a sheep then well, I'd rather be a sheep than someone who works against reason and logic.

You can't compare questioning the official account of the genesis of a Prince album to holocaust denial. Are you nuts?!? Sorry, but that was really low.

U see! U're doing it again! I'm not comparing the topics and u perfectly know it. I'm comparing the METHOD but now u try and make me look like the nuts who puts The Black Album and Auschwitz on a similar level.

What I say is that your intellectual METHODOLOGY is exactly the same as THEIRS. I have studied the question of how negationists, creationists and other political activists and conspirationists are making their points in spite of facts and common sense, and how they manage to be extremely convincing while in fact selling vacuum cleaners, and the METHOD is exactly the same.

And my point is that when u "sell" this "method" to people on unimportant topics, u're contributing to create a general atmosphere of intellectual mediocrity that paves the way for those who do the same on serious and dangerous topics.

I strongly suggest u read Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, by the way. I don't adhere to a huge part of Rand's ideology (I think at some point in her later life, her failure was precisely to make the mistake she was denouncing: losing rationality and being blinded by her own beliefs) but nonetheless her novels show wonderfully the whole process of how the apparently innocent belief that "we can't know anything for sure so we can believe everything" paves the way for disasters and intellectual manipulations.

Now go on and keep denying all u want, but the fact is that I have a point and I sincerely hope that even if u're never gonna admit it, you know it in the back of ur mind.

databank said:

paulludvig said:

You can't compare questioning the official account of the genesis of a Prince album to holocaust denial. Are you nuts?!? Sorry, but that was really low.

U see! U're doing it again! I'm not comparing the topics and u perfectly know it. I'm comparing the METHOD but now u try and make me look like the nuts who puts The Black Album and Auschwitz on a similar level.

What I say is that your intellectual METHODOLOGY is exactly the same as THEIRS. I have studied the question of how negationists, creationists and other political activists and conspirationists are making their points in spite of facts and common sense, and how they manage to be extremely convincing while in fact selling vacuum cleaners, and the METHOD is exactly the same.

And my point is that when u "sell" this "method" to people on unimportant topics, u're contributing to create a general atmosphere of intellectual mediocrity that paves the way for those who do the same on serious and dangerous topics.

I strongly suggest u read Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, by the way. I don't adhere to a huge part of Rand's ideology (I think at some point in her later life, her failure was precisely to make the mistake she was denouncing: losing rationality and being blinded by her own beliefs) but nonetheless her novels show wonderfully the whole process of how the apparently innocent belief that "we can't know anything for sure so we can believe everything" paves the way for disasters and intellectual manipulations.

Now go on and keep denying all u want, but the fact is that I have a point and I sincerely hope that even if u're never gonna admit it, you know it in the back of ur mind.

Ok, glad we cleared that up. Holocaust denial is absolutely despicable. I do not want to be associated with such horrendous denial of historical facts and human tragedy.

I agree that the belief that "we can't know anything for sure so we can believe everything" paves the way for disasters and intellectual manipulations. But I also think it is disastrous to believe that we know all the facts so there's never a need to question received wisdom.

Critical analysis is a necassary part of historical research. Do the evidence hold up to scrutiny? In this case, I think not. Do I have an alternative theory. No, I don't. Ok?

paulludvig said:

databank said:

U see! U're doing it again! I'm not comparing the topics and u perfectly know it. I'm comparing the METHOD but now u try and make me look like the nuts who puts The Black Album and Auschwitz on a similar level.

What I say is that your intellectual METHODOLOGY is exactly the same as THEIRS. I have studied the question of how negationists, creationists and other political activists and conspirationists are making their points in spite of facts and common sense, and how they manage to be extremely convincing while in fact selling vacuum cleaners, and the METHOD is exactly the same.

And my point is that when u "sell" this "method" to people on unimportant topics, u're contributing to create a general atmosphere of intellectual mediocrity that paves the way for those who do the same on serious and dangerous topics.

I strongly suggest u read Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, by the way. I don't adhere to a huge part of Rand's ideology (I think at some point in her later life, her failure was precisely to make the mistake she was denouncing: losing rationality and being blinded by her own beliefs) but nonetheless her novels show wonderfully the whole process of how the apparently innocent belief that "we can't know anything for sure so we can believe everything" paves the way for disasters and intellectual manipulations.

Now go on and keep denying all u want, but the fact is that I have a point and I sincerely hope that even if u're never gonna admit it, you know it in the back of ur mind.

Ok, glad we cleared that up. Holocaust denial is absolutely despicable. I do not want to be associated with such horrendous denial of historical facts and human tragedy.

I agree that the belief that "we can't know anything for sure so we can believe everything" paves the way for disasters and intellectual manipulations. But I also think it is disastrous to believe that we know all the facts so there's never a need to question received wisdom.

Critical analysis is a necassary part of historical research. Do the evidence hold up to scrutiny? In this case, I think not. Do I have an alternative theory. No, I don't. Ok?

OK, now can we please go and have a beer and talk about girls or movies or IDK, because I'm getting thirsty and tired of debating

Can we all stop the pissing contest and just enjoy debating TBA? Thanks!

databank said:

paulludvig said:

Ok, glad we cleared that up. Holocaust denial is absolutely despicable. I do not want to be associated with such horrendous denial of historical facts and human tragedy.

I agree that the belief that "we can't know anything for sure so we can believe everything" paves the way for disasters and intellectual manipulations. But I also think it is disastrous to believe that we know all the facts so there's never a need to question received wisdom.

Critical analysis is a necassary part of historical research. Do the evidence hold up to scrutiny? In this case, I think not. Do I have an alternative theory. No, I don't. Ok?

OK, now can we please go and have a beer and talk about girls or movies or IDK, because I'm getting thirsty and tired of debating

funkaholic1972 said:

Can we all stop the pissing contest and just enjoy debating TBA? Thanks!

Yup

What are some of the precursors to the song on TBA? I can't think if any songs released by Prince at that time that sounded like Dead On It, Bob George, Superfunky and When2RInLove. 2NigsUnited may have had some forerunners on The Flesh Album - Junk Music comes to mind. Le Grind, Cindy C and Rock Hard? Some SOTT B-sides perhaps (La, La, La, He, He, Hee and Shockadelica)?

CINDY C by Me Myself & I / Something by Somebody

Maybe we'll unlock the secrets of your mind

Funk Bible - the New Testament

Sheila E. Birthday Party Music

And then Cindy C --
THE vogue fantasy.
Horns & vocals 2 die 4.
Lollipops -- in yours!

Stroke after stroke callin' all others a joke.

While specific recording dates are not known, basic tracks were recorded in March, 1987 at Prince's Galpin Blvd Home Studio, Chanhassen, MN, USA (during the same set of sessions that produced Dead On It and Nine). After "The Black Album" was initially canceled, the track was broadcast on 9 December, 1989 as part of The New Power Generation Radio Show, hosted by Prince (under the name Me, Myself and I) and Robin Power, Ingrid Chavez and Levi Seacer, Jr.
The track's title refers to supermodel Cindy Crawford. Cat's rap in the song (later reused in an unreleased version of Positivity), was taken from J.M. Silk's 1985 track Music Is The Key, although Prince was unaware of this at the time (he removed it from Positivity when he found out, but it is included here as a quote from Cindy C. as Prince was unaware of its origins at the time of its use).-PrinceVault

paulludvig said:

funkaholic1972 said:

Can we all stop the pissing contest and just enjoy debating TBA? Thanks!

Yup

What are some of the precursors to the song on TBA? I can't think if any songs released by Prince at that time that sounded like Dead On It, Bob George, Superfunky and When2RInLove. 2NigsUnited may have had some forerunners on The Flesh Album - Junk Music comes to mind. Le Grind, Cindy C and Rock Hard? Some SOTT B-sides perhaps (La, La, La, He, He, Hee and Shockadelica)?

Well Rockhard was originally intended for Camille and then Crystal Ball, so there's an obvious connection there. The album always seemed to have a Parliament influence to me, but it's a bit more jam based than their records. Still, the silly sense of humor and overall dirtiness of the sound do seem to have stylistic similarties. Had Prince had much dealing with George Clinton yet? Clinton's The Cinderella Theory was released on Paisley Park a few years later, so it's possible.

OldFriends4Sale said:

iZsaZsa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

CINDY C by Me Myself & I

Maybe we'll unlock the secrets of your mind

Funk Bible - the New Testament

Sheila E. Birthday Party Music

And then Cindy C --
THE vogue fantasy.
Horns & vocals 2 die 4.
Lollipops -- in yours!

Stroke after stroke callin' all others a joke.

While specific recording dates are not known, basic tracks were recorded in March, 1987 at Prince's Galpin Blvd Home Studio, Chanhassen, MN, USA (during the same set of sessions that produced Dead On It and Nine). After "The Black Album" was initially canceled, the track was broadcast on 9 December, 1989 as part of The New Power Generation Radio Show, hosted by Prince (under the name Me, Myself and I) and Robin Power, Ingrid Chavez and Levi Seacer, Jr.
The track's title refers to supermodel Cindy Crawford. Cat's rap in the song (later reused in an unreleased version of Positivity), was taken from J.M. Silk's 1985 track Music Is The Key, although Prince was unaware of this at the time (he removed it from Positivity when he found out, but it is included here as a quote from Cindy C. as Prince was unaware of its origins at the time of its use).-PrinceVault

Recording Personnel

Prince - all vocals and instruments, except where noted Eric Leeds - saxophone (uncredited) Atlanta Bliss - trumpet (uncredited) Sheila E. - background vocals (uncredited) Cat - background vocals, rap (uncredited) Yeah! This song's about a high-class model over in Paris, France (Oh Cindy C.) If I get a camera, tell me will U dance? (Will U play with me?) If I take a picture in the middle of the night (Oh Cindy C.) Will U funk with me, sugar? (Will U funk with me?) Say it's alright, come on (Say it, say it) CHORUS: (Cindy C., play with me) (I will pay the usual fee) Ah Cindy C. (What's it gonna be?) Will U play with me? (What's it gonna be?) (Cindy C., play with me) (I will pay the usual fee) Ah Cindy C. (What's it gonna be?) I'll pay the fee (Cindy C.) Super-fine heifer, U're so bloody vogue (Super fine) I knew U would be trouble (trouble, trouble) from the word go (go, go) I'll give U 7 sips of elderberry wine (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7) Maybe we'll unlock the secrets of your mind CHORUS The passion's in the mix (Serve it up, Sheila) Drink it quick Cindy – shit! Where'd U get that beauty mark? Baby, U and I should be undressing Don't all girls look the same? They don't? Oh, what a shame Cindy, Cindy - I'll pay the usual fee What's the matter, don't U like me? (Poppy, tell me what it's all about) I'm talkin' 'bout a long crucial leg Oh Cindy C., will U play with me? I'll pay the usual fee 2 organ solos 2 go Oh Cindy C. {repeat} (Yeah) Oh Cindy C., will U play with me? Oh Cindy C., I will pay the fee Ah Cindy C., will U play with me? Ah Cindy C., I will pay the fee Help me! (Ah shit) Uh! Excuse my savoir-faire But baby, I'm dyin' 2 take U everywhere (Oh yeah?) I wanna show U 2 my friends (Ha ha ha) Because baby, U're the living end (Tell me now) Baby, U have a debt worth winning I can feel your ice is thinning Like a frozen pond in spring (Woo) Your furry melting thing awaits me (Ah) Your furry melting thing awaits me and my 6-string (Oh Cindy C., will U play with me?) (Cindy, where are U?) Come on Cindy (Oh my God) Come on Cindy (Wait) Don't U wanna play with me? (Uh yes, no, wait) Don't U wanna play with me? (Yes) What's the matter with me, Cindy? (Nothing) Ahhh! Shockadelia! Oh Cindy C., won't U play with me? {Rap from "Music Is The Key" by J.M. Silk} Music is the key 2 set yourself free From depression, drugs and increasing poverty The key is 2 the lock, the lock is on the door The door has a knob that U never turned before The jack, use the jack, it opens up the lock Cuz there's the key 2 unlock the body Place it like that 2 open up the door The door 2 the house 4 the people galore The beat won't stop till the J.M. jocks And he jacks the box till the party rocks The clock tick-tocks and the place gets hot And believe it or not, all the troubles U forgot It's just that easy if U want it 2 be 4 all the fellas and the young ladies So ease your mind and set yourself free 2 the mystifying music that we call Cindy C. Oh Cindy C., won't U play with me? Oh Cindy C.

She doesn't like it.

Cindy Crawford didn't like the song?

http://prince.org/msg/7/327589

What was Cindy Crawford's reaction to Cindy C.? by Paris9748430

OldFriends4Sale said:

http://www.sputnikmusic.c...ack-Album/

"Cindy C". Wow. The story goes that Prince sent a bodyguard over to Cindy Crawford at a club one night to see if she would like to chat with Prince, and she refused to meet him. So, he wrote a song. A filthy song. A GREAT song, though. This song has the always dependable Sheila E doing the drums, and Prince's back-up dancer CAT as a hype-woman (Think Flava Flav to Public Enemy). One verse in the song that really stands out is when Prince painfully pleads "I'm talkin' about a long crucial leg/ Girl if I have to beg/ I'm gonna see you in yo birthday suit tonight". This is where it gets very odd, as towards the end you faintly hear Prince screaming in the background to Cindy Crawford. Crazy, but since this IS the Black Album, all rules and standards are out of the window. It is still a great song, if only for the music. It leaves you feeling dirty, which is our buddy Prince's plan.

OldFriends4Sale said:

http://www.sputnikmusic.c...ack-Album/

"Cindy C". Wow. The story goes that Prince sent a bodyguard over to Cindy Crawford at a club one night to see if she would like to chat with Prince, and she refused to meet him. So, he wrote a song. A filthy song. A GREAT song, though. This song has the always dependable Sheila E doing the drums, and Prince's back-up dancer CAT as a hype-woman (Think Flava Flav to Public Enemy). One verse in the song that really stands out is when Prince painfully pleads "I'm talkin' about a long crucial leg/ Girl if I have to beg/ I'm gonna see you in yo birthday suit tonight". This is where it gets very odd, as towards the end you faintly hear Prince screaming in the background to Cindy Crawford. Crazy, but since this IS the Black Album, all rules and standards are out of the window. It is still a great song, if only for the music. It leaves you feeling dirty, which is our buddy Prince's plan.

What I'll never even understand is WHY would P be attracted to Cindy Crawford in the first place, or the whole world as far as I'm concerned. With all due respect for the lady -I think I can write this safely because it's unlikely she'll ever come here and read it-, I never understood how she could be perceived as being attractive, particularly with this disgusting "beauty" mark that P makes a whole (hilarious) fuss about. In my (uncommon I guess) opinion it makes the song sound even weirder, as if it was an earlier version of Work That Fat.

Nuts as it b, the song isn't even mentionned on her wiki page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CindyCrawfordOct09.jpg

databank said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

http://www.sputnikmusic.c...ack-Album/

"Cindy C". Wow. The story goes that Prince sent a bodyguard over to Cindy Crawford at a club one night to see if she would like to chat with Prince, and she refused to meet him. So, he wrote a song. A filthy song. A GREAT song, though. This song has the always dependable Sheila E doing the drums, and Prince's back-up dancer CAT as a hype-woman (Think Flava Flav to Public Enemy). One verse in the song that really stands out is when Prince painfully pleads "I'm talkin' about a long crucial leg/ Girl if I have to beg/ I'm gonna see you in yo birthday suit tonight". This is where it gets very odd, as towards the end you faintly hear Prince screaming in the background to Cindy Crawford. Crazy, but since this IS the Black Album, all rules and standards are out of the window. It is still a great song, if only for the music. It leaves you feeling dirty, which is our buddy Prince's plan.

What I'll never even understand is WHY would P be attracted to Cindy Crawford in the first place, or the whole world as far as I'm concerned. With all due respect for the lady -I think I can write this safely because it's unlikely she'll ever come here and read it-, I never understood how she could be perceived as being attractive, particularly with this disgusting "beauty" mark that P makes a whole (hilarious) fuss about. In my (uncommon I guess) opinion it makes the song sound even weirder, as if it was an earlier version of Work That Fat.

Are you joking, she's gorgeous! You've made me insecure about my mole (beauty mark is a much nicer name for it), you heartless individual!

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

databank said:

What I'll never even understand is WHY would P be attracted to Cindy Crawford in the first place, or the whole world as far as I'm concerned. With all due respect for the lady -I think I can write this safely because it's unlikely she'll ever come here and read it-, I never understood how she could be perceived as being attractive, particularly with this disgusting "beauty" mark that P makes a whole (hilarious) fuss about. In my (uncommon I guess) opinion it makes the song sound even weirder, as if it was an earlier version of Work That Fat.

Are you joking, she's gorgeous! You've made me insecure about my mole (beauty mark is a much nicer name for it), you heartless individual!

I'm sorry, different folks different stokes and shit, u no. I've met people who've told me they found Vanity totally unattractive which to me is a total WTF and on the other hand I've met people who found Cindy C extremely attractive but very honestly it's beyond me even without the "mole" and so is the vision of "moles" as anything else than a monstruosity that should b chirurgically removed but that's my damn opinion and it's totally subjective

I also despise arthropods if that can make u feel better (usually people say I'm nuts when I say that)

databank said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

http://www.sputnikmusic.c...ack-Album/

"Cindy C". Wow. The story goes that Prince sent a bodyguard over to Cindy Crawford at a club one night to see if she would like to chat with Prince, and she refused to meet him. So, he wrote a song. A filthy song. A GREAT song, though. This song has the always dependable Sheila E doing the drums, and Prince's back-up dancer CAT as a hype-woman (Think Flava Flav to Public Enemy). One verse in the song that really stands out is when Prince painfully pleads "I'm talkin' about a long crucial leg/ Girl if I have to beg/ I'm gonna see you in yo birthday suit tonight". This is where it gets very odd, as towards the end you faintly hear Prince screaming in the background to Cindy Crawford. Crazy, but since this IS the Black Album, all rules and standards are out of the window. It is still a great song, if only for the music. It leaves you feeling dirty, which is our buddy Prince's plan.

What I'll never even understand is WHY would P be attracted to Cindy Crawford in the first place, or the whole world as far as I'm concerned. With all due respect for the lady -I think I can write this safely because it's unlikely she'll ever come here and read it-, I never understood how she could be perceived as being attractive, particularly with this disgusting "beauty" mark that P makes a whole (hilarious) fuss about. In my (uncommon I guess) opinion it makes the song sound even weirder, as if it was an earlier version of Work That Fat.

not attractive?

databank said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Are you joking, she's gorgeous! You've made me insecure about my mole (beauty mark is a much nicer name for it), you heartless individual!

I'm sorry, different folks different stokes and shit, u no. I've met people who've told me they found Vanity totally unattractive which to me is a total WTF and on the other hand I've met people who found Cindy C extremely attractive but very honestly it's beyond me even without the "mole" and so is the vision of "moles" as anything else than a monstruosity that should b chirurgically removed but that's my damn opinion and it's totally subjective

I also despise arthropods if that can make u feel better (usually people say I'm nuts when I say that)

Yeah, I was just playing with ya. Arthropods are bastards though, I can agree there.

OldFriends4Sale said:

databank said:

What I'll never even understand is WHY would P be attracted to Cindy Crawford in the first place, or the whole world as far as I'm concerned. With all due respect for the lady -I think I can write this safely because it's unlikely she'll ever come here and read it-, I never understood how she could be perceived as being attractive, particularly with this disgusting "beauty" mark that P makes a whole (hilarious) fuss about. In my (uncommon I guess) opinion it makes the song sound even weirder, as if it was an earlier version of Work That Fat.

not attractive?

I can see she is a beautiful girl, but she doesn't do it for me either. She's just not sexy at all to me.

Back on topic, TBA is easily in my Top 5 of "Best Prince Albums Ever". I just love that album, from as early on as I got that incomplete 1000th generation copy on tape (worst sound quality ever!) somewhere in '88 or '89 from a schoolmate who was a fellow Prince fan.

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A nice anecdote related to TBA: I was very excited when in the early nineties I suddenly ran into a CD copy of TBA in a Dutch record store. I took the CD to the counter and asked if I could listen, no problem. All excited I put the headphones on, only to find out that some anonymous artist(s) had made meticulously excecuted cover versions of all the songs that were on TBA!!

-

As it didn't turn out to be Prince's TBA I left the store very disappointed without buying the CD. I still regret not buying it till this day, because I remember I was actually well impressed with the quality of the cover recordings. And I would have loved to listen to it again, once I got over the disappointment of it not being the real Prince CD.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

databank said:

What I'll never even understand is WHY would P be attracted to Cindy Crawford in the first place, or the whole world as far as I'm concerned. With all due respect for the lady -I think I can write this safely because it's unlikely she'll ever come here and read it-, I never understood how she could be perceived as being attractive, particularly with this disgusting "beauty" mark that P makes a whole (hilarious) fuss about. In my (uncommon I guess) opinion it makes the song sound even weirder, as if it was an earlier version of Work That Fat.

not attractive?

Nope, not at all, sorry...

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

databank said:

I'm sorry, different folks different stokes and shit, u no. I've met people who've told me they found Vanity totally unattractive which to me is a total WTF and on the other hand I've met people who found Cindy C extremely attractive but very honestly it's beyond me even without the "mole" and so is the vision of "moles" as anything else than a monstruosity that should b chirurgically removed but that's my damn opinion and it's totally subjective

I also despise arthropods if that can make u feel better (usually people say I'm nuts when I say that)

Yeah, I was just playing with ya. Arthropods are bastards though, I can agree there.

Yeah we'd b much better without'em, they're weird folks if u ask me

funkaholic1972 said:

Back on topic, TBA is easily in my Top 5 of "Best Prince Albums Ever". I just love that album, from as early on as I got that incomplete 1000th generation copy on tape (worst sound quality ever!) somewhere in '88 or '89 from a schoolmate who was a fellow Prince fan.

-

A nice anecdote related to TBA: I was very excited when in the early nineties I suddenly ran into a CD copy of TBA in a Dutch record store. I took the CD to the counter and asked if I could listen, no problem. All excited I put the headphones on, only to find out that some anonymous artist(s) had made meticulously excecuted cover versions of all the songs that were on TBA!!

-

As it didn't turn out to be Prince's TBA I left the store very disappointed without buying the CD. I still regret not buying it till this day, because I remember I was actually well impressed with the quality of the cover recordings. And I would have loved to listen to it again, once I got over the disappointment of it not being the real Prince CD.

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[Edited 4/10/14 13:26pm]

I remember reading bout a band coveribg it illegally yeah, never heard it though

databank said:

funkaholic1972 said:

Back on topic, TBA is easily in my Top 5 of "Best Prince Albums Ever". I just love that album, from as early on as I got that incomplete 1000th generation copy on tape (worst sound quality ever!) somewhere in '88 or '89 from a schoolmate who was a fellow Prince fan.

-

A nice anecdote related to TBA: I was very excited when in the early nineties I suddenly ran into a CD copy of TBA in a Dutch record store. I took the CD to the counter and asked if I could listen, no problem. All excited I put the headphones on, only to find out that some anonymous artist(s) had made meticulously excecuted cover versions of all the songs that were on TBA!!

-

As it didn't turn out to be Prince's TBA I left the store very disappointed without buying the CD. I still regret not buying it till this day, because I remember I was actually well impressed with the quality of the cover recordings. And I would have loved to listen to it again, once I got over the disappointment of it not being the real Prince CD.

[Edited 4/10/14 13:23pm]

[Edited 4/10/14 13:26pm]

I remember reading bout a band coveribg it illegally yeah, never heard it though

That cover of the entire album is kind of hilarious. But very detailed. It's almost the way MIDI music sounds. It probably is MIDI triggered arangements.

databank said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Yeah, I was just playing with ya. Arthropods are bastards though, I can agree there.

Yeah we'd b much better without'em, they're weird folks if u ask me

Well, I do like the taste of crab and lobster, so they do have one use, but I don't really ever want to have to look at them again.

To get back on topic, I was quite suprised to hear you refer to TBA as a continuation of the SOTT sound in the original post, as to me Lovesexy was the one that maintained the poppiness of SOTT while TBA always seemed like a genre piece in dirty funk (kinda like how The Truth is the "acoustic" album.) It's rather strange in hindsight to look at TBA as potentially being the next "proper" release in Prince's discography since it now seems almost like companion piece to Lovesexy. I guess the fact that it wasn't going to be released as a Prince album kinda answers my question in that regard, but it still seems weird to me that the next piece of music that fans were going to hear in 88 was going to be TBA.

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BartVanHemelen said:

lastdecember said:

Prince got money from WB plain and simple, he signed the deal, money was advanced, because albums were recorded TGE and Come and all the other little things he was doing was not being done with money he had laying around.

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You really don't know anything about P.

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There were strict rules about advances and royalties, simple as that. Wb wasn't gonna give P $5 million advances when P never bothered to deliver on the requirements.

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Prince's inteview where he cited handing over 3 old albums or at least old material and getting the hell out of there is true, but TBA was part of what he thought could do it, it was not, Chaos worked and the Vault worked TBA was not considered a new album by them. There have been arguments and he said this and they said that, that WB went back on its word of letting "them" release it finally and he stated it could only be sold for a short amount of time, then the whole deal of trading in bootlegs, etc. for the new VALID release.

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NONE of what you said is documented. We know damn well what happened, because the people involved have clearly spilled the beans. I bet one of them was P's lawyer, the one who negociated the TBA deal only to see it fall through while he was on his way to WB because P once again changed his mind. Notice how the story in the Princepedia (sourced from Uptown etc) features names and dates etc. and your story is a bunch on uninformed conjecture which displays zero knowledge of record industry workings. Do you really think WB handed Prince a $100 million cheque?

Yeah ok i only worked 2 decades with labels, please give me a break already with your PRINCE gospel and dates and names of sources in his circle, blah blah blah. So EXPERT whats the real story on the childs death while you are preaching the word of Prince here? Were detectives really brought in investigating foul play, was it rumour, was prince on some sort of medication as quoted by those two nanny's that Mayte hired that sold their stories for cash. Did Prince have a death cerificate really "forged" cause you know that is a crime, to create a story that has the father listed as "unknown" there is no way he could get away with that. And this was reported by every source including uptown, but that right there is a crime, if he lied on that document, or were the sources lieing and "prince" was really on the death certificate as the father which if he was telling the truth, he was the father and that has to be listed on the death certificate and you can check that out with any legal system in any part of the country, law enforcement etc.. If prince knowingly forged or lied on that document.

As for his deal, clearly you dont know the difference between advances and deals, where did i say they handed him $100 million? that also is a rumour, some at WB have said his deal if held wasnt even valued at half of that. His signing was for albums over a period of time. Advances are what they give you to record the record, its called a budget like when they make a movie, you get a certain amount and if you go over you either lose money from your deal or do it out of pocket depending on who you are. I have worked with bands for over 2 decades from little shit club bands to Richard Julian Norah Jones etc..and helped emi with Van Hunt though he was a prick and Dave Grohl's new unreleased project, so please dont tell me about deals and advances sir.

As for Prince uptown is not a source, its a fanzine at best, i read that thing for years like it was gospel but as years passed alot of BS was found.