I never liked the cover art for 'Lovesexy' and the album as a ONE track CD. I eventually used Magix audio software to create a 9 track disc version. It worked perfectly, and I didn't have to enter track info on iTunes, as all 9 songs were identified automatically. Same thing happened when I placed both 'Sign o The Times' discs onto a single CD-R. I also like your idea of releasing BOTH the Black Album & Lovesexy as a 2 CD set. | |
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Completely agree with you, as per usual!
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. Oh for crying out loud, it is well documented that Cat took that rap from a fairly well-known house track. http://www.princevault.co...p/Cindy_C. .
. There are contemporary reviews (even frikking Smash Hits reviewed it), but those are tainted by the "unreleased/Prince doesn't want you to hear this" vibe of course. .
. Nah, it would have been regarded as Prince's first album to not advance his musical legacy, instead retreading well-known paths and adding some rather lame commentary on rap etc. Kinda like Batman was regarded as his first real misstep, him bowing to commercial pressure. © Bart Van Hemelen
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I know we all like to speculate as what goes on in Prince's mind, but we don't. It's fun to do so. However, what if it was Prince's plan the whole time to send The Black Album on the path it took.
Prince knew that his sales and audience was shrinking after UTCM and SOTT, even though critically acclaimed didn't do as well as he had hoped. SOTT toured quite well in Europe, yet here in the States, I assume that he felt that the album lost steam after some questionable single choices, thus no tour.
So what does Prince do? He plans to release an album in the same year as a double album albiet with little fanfare(yeah right). Now this album(TBA), has already been recorded and was probably just sitting around. Now to get fans and the media to see him as relevent, Prince decided to pull the album around a week or two before it's release and creates a wild story as to why he shelved the album. Now there's mystery as to what TBA is all about, in which a select few copies were saved from destruction.
This gave Prince the extra time needed to restructure his SOTT tour into the Lovesexy Tour and put the finishing touches on the Lovesexy album. Even though the tour lost Prince money, it was a visual orgasm for the eyes. I think that TBA becoming the most bootlegged album in history was an added benefit Prince didn't expect and he played it up extremely well to bolster his mystique.
So all in all, this could've been a well calculated and concieved plan by Prince to jump start his career after UTCM did so poorly and SOTT didn't sell like he wanted. In some ways it work and some ways it bombed, but it seemed like a necessary risk to take at the time. [Edited 4/7/14 14:28pm] __________________________________________________
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Just curious - what do you think about Lovesexy (the album)? The wooh is on the one! | |
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. Why do you make up stuff? The details WRT the TBA deal are well-known and can be found int he Princepedia on this very site. .
. WB released TWO further compilations because those were part of the deal. As for TV and OF4S, I'll quote what I wrote in the Princepedia on this very site ages ago: .
. There is absolutely no indication of P paying WB for the simple reason that WB never handed P money, since none of his releases fulfilled the contractual obligation. © Bart Van Hemelen
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. Sigh... . It is FRIKKING INCREDIBLE to hear fans repeat this utter nonsense over and over again. Dude, they even confiscated the copies sent to execs. WB destroyed hundreds of thousands of pressed records, recalled shipping trucks, etc. Prince DID NOT want this record to go out and WB bent over backwards. . Anyone who thinks P was OK with this album leaking and copies circulating (often bad copies) is just nuts and refuses to look at the actual facts. It is frikking sad that famz are still repeating this dross 25+ years after the facts. © Bart Van Hemelen
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. Sigh... . See my previous reply on this topic. .
. What wild story? There was no wild story? Oh, and we KNOW what happened on the night he decided to recall TBA. It's in Per's DMSR. STOP MAKING SHIT UP. STICK TO THE FACTS. .
. Yes, big fucking mystery when you can ACTUALLY LISTEN TO THE ALBUM. If you've got a theory, at least make sure it doesn't contradict itself. . This gave Prince the extra time needed to restructure his SOTT tour into the Lovesexy Tour and put the finishing touches on the Lovesexy album. . Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. This period is well-documented. We're not dealing with some crummy ass 3EG band, but with a kick-ass band who learned new shit WHILE ON TOUR. . Even though the tour lost Prince money, it was a visual orgasm for the eyes. . Yes, because losing MILLIONS OF DOLLARS was no big deal. Sheesh, again: look at why P did the 1989 Japan Lovesexy gigs: because he had significant debts and those gigs paid so well he got out of trouble. . I think that TBA becoming the most bootlegged album in history was an added benefit Prince didn't expect and he played it up extremely well to bolster his mystique. . I just... I... STOP MAKING SHIT UP. STICK TO THE FACTS. Does P like boots? HELL TO THE NO. SO STOP MAKING SHIT UP. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Just because they went to greath lenghts to have most copies destroyed doesn't mean Prince didn't realize that some copies would leak. But I'm not going to argue with you over facts. You know your facts, no doubt about it. Why do YOU think Prince didn't want the album released? [Edited 4/7/14 14:51pm] [Edited 4/7/14 14:54pm] The wooh is on the one! | |
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. I adore Lovesxy, but let's be honest: it is a far too out there album. It simply does not fall into the line of classic releases, i.e. Dirty Mind -> 1999 -> PR -> Parade -> SOTT. Yes, I'm skipping two: Controversy is P basically re-recording DM with better technology, and ATWIAD is P sorta scaring away his new fairweather fans with a "difficult" album. . Lovesexy tries too hard, it's P going "look at me I'm making complicated shit", sort of the exact opposite of TBA. But it did provide the stunning "Alphabet St" and I cannot help but love "Glam Slam" (part of my soundtrack of Summer 1988) and I Wish U Heaven is just gorgeous. . Again: I love the album, but to me it sits ouside the line of classics P unleashed. © Bart Van Hemelen
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. They did their best, and when radio started playing tracks from leaked copies they got cease & desist letters. .
. Cuz P was tripping balls after taking XTC with Ingrid Chavez in a disco and drinking wine etc. The whole story is in Per Nilsen's DMSR, go read it. P simply mistook a bad trip for a religious epiphany, simple as that. That WB actually retracted the album and went to such lengths to prevent copies from leaking is the really baffling aspect of all this. . Just go read http://the-black-album.in...story.html and http://the-black-album.in...lease.html and note how few copies actually survived in 1987: these were NOT targeted leaks and P definitely did not want the record to get out. Any speculation that this was the plan is utter rubbish and goes against the facts and against Prince's well-documented aversion towards boots. . Simply put: if your theory goes against well-known and well-documented facts, your theory is bunk and you should not post it. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Whats surprising is that Warners supported the recall of an album, when in fact they rejected other non-commercial moves like a 3 record album. I wonder why they supported that?
Also, fact in my world, non prince fans (guys) loved hearing the Black Album and asked me for copies. They then asked to hear more stuff, and I would play Lovesexy or later on Batman. They never asked for copies of that stuff. I think Black Album would have hit with the same crowd that made 2 Live Crew or Public Enemy cross over, but earlier. Or Tone Loc [Edited 4/7/14 17:23pm] My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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The only really "controversial" or challenging material on the album is Dead On It and Superfunkycalifrag. Prince critiquing some rappers and a tale of a tripping sex crazed maniac.
Imagine if Prince had replaced When 2 R In Love (doesn't really fit with the rest of the album) with an undeniable, catchy single. Save When2R and maybe Superfunkycalifragi for another album or a B-side. Add Joy In Repetition or something - maybe Witness 4 The Prosecution or In a large room with no light...
The album could have done well.
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I wouldn't discount the conservative jaw dropper "Bob George" or the lyrics and vibe of "Rockhard in a Funky Place" or a song called "2 Nigs United 4 West Compton" from major top 40 star. Remember this was 1987-88 times. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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I don't think he had released a lot of material like Le Grind and Cindy C either. B-sides like La, La, La, He, He, Hee come close, but those songs were not well known to the genaral public. The wooh is on the one! | |
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. Most likely because Prince footed the bill for that cancellation. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Yeah I know but that doesn't change anything to the fact that P decided to include it A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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For once I totally agree with u. These conspiracy theories about Prince planning the whole TBA "event" from the beginning (cancellation and leaks) annoy me as hell... A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Prince album would have definately be played on the radio in 1987/88 At least were I lived, they played everything.
Superfunki... has always been one of my favorites, lots of changes in the flow,
Le Grind and Cindy C dancible pieces and playful
Love the guitar on Bob George I wonder if there were (outtakes) a few songs made for this album but didn't make it. We probably have them and just don't know it
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Well, ok. But the official story isn't that plausible either: "The decision appeared to be made after experiencing some heavy hallucinations when using the drug Ecstasy. In what he has called a vision the letter G O D were hovering over a field." The story doesn't simply suggest that Prince experienced hallucinations from Ecstasy use (in itself somewhat unusual), but that Prince kept acting on those hallucinations for several months (at least). Prolonged drug induced psychosis can certainly happen, but is not consistent with Prince's ability to handle his business at the time (recording a new album, prepering a complex live show and going on tour and so forth). The official story doesn't ring true. [Edited 4/8/14 7:19am] [Edited 4/8/14 7:43am] The wooh is on the one! | |
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Technically the album was actually a compilation of outtakes that weren't originally recorded for being included on any album, save maybe When 2 R In Love that was recorded at about the time the album was compiled (and strangely enough is the one song that "redempts" the rest of it), so we can't really speak of outtakes in the case of TBA, even though it's possible that P considered other tracks to be included when he compiled the songs (but nothing is known about that). Generally the term "outtake" is a complex matter with P, considering that he has been in an uninterrupted recording session since 1980 (as opposed to most artist who go in the studio for some weeks and record a certain number of tracks with an album in mind, then select the best ones for release): save some tracks that were clearly recorded with a specific album project in mind and some that were included on early configurations of albums, it's hard to say that any particular unreleased Prince song qualifies as an album "outtake", and TBA exemplifies this to the last level. For example "All My Dreams" is definitely a Parade outtake but dozens of other unreleased songs have been recorded during that same period and nonetheless can't really be considered Parade outtakes even if they share the album's sound. Splash would have been perfect on Parade, fitting it musically and thematically, and being recorded at the same time as many songs that ended-up on Parade, but we can't say it's a Parade outtake. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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yeah, when I talk of outtakes I'm generally speaking of a song considered for a particular album(whether made for it or not) . Yep I agree, songs like All My Dreams, Old Friends 4 Sale and a few others were Parade outtakes. So many other songs created between 1984-1986 that we know were just creations for whatever intended purpose, that were not (outtakes) from ATWIAD or Parade. With the Proteges:the Family, Sheila E. Mazarati, any song could have been given to them as well. . Man, If Prince focused a bit more, and presented a good collection of pieces with a good focus I bet WB would have released it for him, especially during that time. | |
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Don't get your panties all bunched up! I said from the beginning that this is a "what if" scenario. I know the whole Black Album story all too well.
The only person who knows the real story behind everything is Prince! Not you and not me. We are all guessing. __________________________________________________
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No he's not and no we are not. When u invent/spread a theory that goes against every known fact, against every account of these events by the people who were around at the time and without any factual element to support your theories u r not guessing: u r making things up, because the way I read what u wrote, "what if" is a subtle and manipulative way to say "it is". This is not a "what if" thread. When u start turning personal theories into "believable" theories just because you believe that the fact that YOU believe that it's a believable theory despite the fact that it goes against everything u know makes it a believable theory, and when u say that no one but Prince knows when each and every one of the people that were there gave a single, cohesive version of the story, including people who had left P's camp for more than a decade and didn't hesitate to criticize him on other accounts, u r trying to bend reality to your own fantasies and you are doing nothing but spreading lies. I'm sorry but this is something I cannot accept, Princewise or anyothertopicwise. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Of course Prince did, in a sense, promote the Black Album (though it was a bootleg out of his control and art direction) in the sense that he would quote lyrics, and even played tracks live during the Lovesexy concerts, and even concocted the Camille creation/shame story (one was said live in an aftershow bootleg and was the most descriptive, and then the rated G version was printed in the concert program).
It would be interesting if Prince made a very trendy pop album of throwaway tracks now, and then that leaked as a full album bootleg. Especially if it was a guest star experiment like Rave was. Of course he even alluded to acknowledging the bootleg appeal in the Crystal Ball set by printing the word bootleg right on the discs. But that was for sale by him and the record company.
I'd love to see what a real album bootleg would do now, and how it would be received by Prince fanatics through the bootleg mystique.
But the fact is, The Black Album (AKA Funk Bible) was a great album, bootleg or not, and it still remains my favorite Prince album as a whole. It's the one I've listened to the most over the years as a sequenced album.
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Well, ok. But the official story isn't that plausible either: "The decision appeared to be made after experiencing some heavy hallucinations when using the drug Ecstasy. In what he has called a vision the letter G O D were hovering over a field." The story doesn't simply suggest that Prince experienced hallucinations from Ecstasy use (in itself somewhat unusual), but that Prince kept acting on those hallucinations for several months (at least). Prolonged drug induced psychosis can certainly happen, but is not consistent with Prince's ability to handle his business at the time (recording a new album, prepering a complex live show and going on tour and so forth). The official story doesn't ring true. [Edited 4/8/14 7:19am] [Edited 4/8/14 7:43am] Nothing says that prince was in some drug induced psychosis for several months cuz he made a decision while high and stuck with it. One can make a decision while high, come down from high and and see good reasons and rational as to why that decision made while high can avoid rejection. Thank god Steve jobs didn't reject and abandon ideas he developed while high after he sobered up simply cuz he made them while high or prince may not have been able to sell that silly purple opus iPod with the concert footage installed on it(a decision made while presumably sober...lol) | |
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He believed he had been contacted by God. Or so the story goes. That's not simply having an idea. The wooh is on the one! | |
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