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Thread started 03/28/14 10:25pm

Astasheiks

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Is Prince still a JW? And if he is....

Is Prince still a JW? smile And if he is, how many years would that make him being one? I think he announced it sometime after he ended his marriage with Mayte and before marrying Manuela, so that would make around 1999-2001...??? confused

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Reply #1 posted 03/28/14 10:41pm

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As far as I know he is. He became a JW in 2001, after discussing it with Larry Graham for a couple of years.

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Reply #2 posted 03/29/14 1:40am

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I believe the JW thing happened before 2001,


Notorious - in 1999:

[img:$uid]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/ecnirp2004/Prince/NOT1-1-1.jpg[/img:$uid]



[img:$uid]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/ecnirp2004/Prince/NOT3A-Kopi-1.jpg[/img:$uid]

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Reply #3 posted 03/29/14 2:58am

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I know most everything you read says 2001 but it was also supposed to be his Mom's dying wish that he convert and she didn't die until Feb. '02. I won't claim to know exactly when it was.

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Reply #4 posted 03/29/14 3:02am

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I hope he's a recovering JW
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Reply #5 posted 03/29/14 4:32am

RumAndRaisin

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it was a slow process from 2000-1

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Reply #6 posted 03/30/14 7:39pm

Astasheiks

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Bambi82 said:

I know most everything you read says 2001 but it was also supposed to be his Mom's dying wish that he convert and she didn't die until Feb. '02. I won't claim to know exactly when it was.

So I assume she was one? sad eek

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Reply #7 posted 03/30/14 11:00pm

thedance

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Don't mention "Jehovah" ------>




^ the famous clip from Monty Python.. stoning a man to death, for saying "Jehovah"..... eek

(Warning -- this is funny!!)

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Reply #8 posted 03/31/14 12:13am

Bambi82

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Astasheiks said:

Bambi82 said:

I know most everything you read says 2001 but it was also supposed to be his Mom's dying wish that he convert and she didn't die until Feb. '02. I won't claim to know exactly when it was.

So I assume she was one? sad eek

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Yes..?? hmm

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Reply #9 posted 03/31/14 12:38am

Astasheiks

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And Jesus said ...""

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Reply #10 posted 03/31/14 3:59am

nursev

weird thread lol
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Reply #11 posted 03/31/14 4:00am

nursev

thedance said:

I believe the JW thing happened before 2001,


Notorious - in 1999:







I think it did too.
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Reply #12 posted 03/31/14 4:07pm

funkyrake

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kenkamken said:

I hope he's a recovering JW

Probably not. I think every member of NPG and 3EG is a Xtian. Must be a requirement.

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Reply #13 posted 03/31/14 4:10pm

funkyrake

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Astasheiks said:

Bambi82 said:

I know most everything you read says 2001 but it was also supposed to be his Mom's dying wish that he convert and she didn't die until Feb. '02. I won't claim to know exactly when it was.

So I assume she was one? sad eek

Don't think so. I don't think Tyka is a JW and I believe she was close to her mom. Doesn't really make since that his mom would ask him to join this particular cult, er, I mean religion.

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Reply #14 posted 03/31/14 5:34pm

Astasheiks

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funkyrake said:

kenkamken said:

I hope he's a recovering JW

Probably not. I think every member of NPG and 3EG is a Xtian. Must be a requirement.

What is a Xtian?

What a minute, If you mean Christain, JW's are not Christain.

[Edited 3/31/14 17:35pm]

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Reply #15 posted 03/31/14 5:37pm

Astasheiks

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funkyrake said:

Astasheiks said:

So I assume she was one? sad eek

Don't think so. I don't think Tyka is a JW and I believe she was close to her mom. Doesn't really make since that his mom would ask him to join this particular cult, er, I mean religion.

I think his mom was one, that's why she asked him to join. I wasn't talking about Tyka but his mom being one.

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Reply #16 posted 03/31/14 8:37pm

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thedance said:

I believe the JW thing happened before 2001,


Notorious - in 1999:

[img:$uid]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/ecnirp2004/Prince/NOT1-1-1.jpg[/img:$uid]



[img:$uid]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/ecnirp2004/Prince/NOT3A-Kopi-1.jpg[/img:$uid]

^^^I'm more interested in the bisexual woman. Striaght by day, and gay by night.

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Reply #17 posted 03/31/14 9:05pm

Stymie

Astasheiks said:



funkyrake said:




kenkamken said:


I hope he's a recovering JW


Probably not. I think every member of NPG and 3EG is a Xtian. Must be a requirement.




What is a Xtian?



What a minute, If you mean Christain, JW's are not Christain.

[Edited 3/31/14 17:35pm]

jws are Christian.
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Reply #18 posted 04/01/14 3:57am

iZsaZsa

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Astasheiks said:



funkyrake said:




Astasheiks said:




So I assume she was one? sad eek




Don't think so. I don't think Tyka is a JW and I believe she was close to her mom. Doesn't really make since that his mom would ask him to join this particular cult, er, I mean religion.




I think his mom was one, that's why she asked him to join. I wasn't talking about Tyka but his mom being one.


Seventh-day Adventist.
What?
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Reply #19 posted 04/01/14 7:04am

Genesia

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I don't know when the formal conversion happened, but The Cross became The Christ and the whole "stauros" thing started with the Jam of the Year tour in '97. Larry was the opening act for that.

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Reply #20 posted 04/02/14 11:15am

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iZsaZsa said:

Astasheiks said:

I think his mom was one, that's why she asked him to join. I wasn't talking about Tyka but his mom being one.

Seventh-day Adventist.

That's what I thought as well

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Reply #21 posted 04/02/14 10:55pm

Astasheiks

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Good, I think Seventh Day Adventist are not considered a cult.....

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Reply #22 posted 04/04/14 10:23am

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Astasheiks said:

Good, I think Seventh Day Adventist are not considered a cult.....

The Seventh Day Adventist Church is a Protestant denomination that worship on the seventh day of the week, the Sabbath, which is Saturday. Just like Jesus, a practising Jew, did long ago. There are about 14 million SDA members in the world. They believe in Baptism by full immersion like when Jesus was baptised by his cousin John the Baptist. Also giving 10% of their income to the church is a staple. They are studied by scientists quite a bit because they tend to have long lives. Veganism is encouraged, but not a strict rule. They don't wear jewelery, not even wedding rings. They're good folks!

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Reply #23 posted 04/05/14 1:49am

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Astasheiks said:

Good, I think Seventh Day Adventist are not considered a cult.....


Astasheiks said:

Good, I think Seventh Day Adventist are not considered a cult.....



If we call a group a cult simply because of their weird beliefs that we don't agree with, then every group could be called a cult by another.

I think the markers of a cult are not a group's particular religious beliefs, but whether their practices exert undue control over members (like isolation, shunning) and are counter to self/well-being (like the types of Pentecostals who hold venomous snakes during worship, or in the case of JWs, refusing blood transfusions or possibly other medical interventions). SDAs do not practice shunning or "disfellowshipping," and they do not have any practices overtly harmful to members - in fact, they encourage vegetarianism as McJagger pointed out (but they do not kick you out if you eat meat) and they are heavily involved in medicine (hospitals, medical research, etc.) and encourage healthy lifestyle and mental habits. So JWs, unlike SDAs, do seem to be a cult, although I'm sure there are JWs who will say that their practices are not in any way oppressive, isolating, or harmful.

I read that Prince's maternal grandmother was SDA and used to take him sometimes when he was young. If his maternal grandmother was SDA, that implies his mother was raised SDA, but does not mean she was one later in life.

As for whether JWs are "Christians," they technically are not because they do not believe in the divinity of Jesus (trinity). They are not considered "Christian" according to basically all the other Christian denominations' theologies. I think JWs themselves (i.e., their theology/doctrine) do not call themselves "Christian" because of some very literal way they read the bible, that's why the term "Jehovah's Witness." But then, many adherents of Jesus in the 1st and 2nd centuries (the early "Christians") did not believe in the trinity or the divinity of Jesus, nor called themselves "Christians," so...? I'd say they were part of the "Jesus movement," as are the JWs as well as the Christians.

Back to Prince - I think his spirituality is still way more fluid than even he himself might think. What's all this stuff about chakras and reincarnation? And I think there's been other references from Hinduism besides those. He mixes in lots of ideas that do not seem to be strictly JW, into his songs and his apparent lifestyle.
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Reply #24 posted 04/05/14 1:58am

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Bambi82 said:

I know most everything you read says 2001 but it was also supposed to be his Mom's dying wish that he convert and she didn't die until Feb. '02. I won't claim to know exactly when it was.


When she died, her funeral was at a Baptist church.
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Reply #25 posted 04/05/14 2:17pm

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artist76 said:

Astasheiks said:

Good, I think Seventh Day Adventist are not considered a cult.....

Astasheiks said:

Good, I think Seventh Day Adventist are not considered a cult.....

If we call a group a cult simply because of their weird beliefs that we don't agree with, then every group could be called a cult by another. I think the markers of a cult are not a group's particular religious beliefs, but whether their practices exert undue control over members (like isolation, shunning) and are counter to self/well-being (like the types of Pentecostals who hold venomous snakes during worship, or in the case of JWs, refusing blood transfusions or possibly other medical interventions). SDAs do not practice shunning or "disfellowshipping," and they do not have any practices overtly harmful to members - in fact, they encourage vegetarianism as McJagger pointed out (but they do not kick you out if you eat meat) and they are heavily involved in medicine (hospitals, medical research, etc.) and encourage healthy lifestyle and mental habits. So JWs, unlike SDAs, do seem to be a cult, although I'm sure there are JWs who will say that their practices are not in any way oppressive, isolating, or harmful. I read that Prince's maternal grandmother was SDA and used to take him sometimes when he was young. If his maternal grandmother was SDA, that implies his mother was raised SDA, but does not mean she was one later in life. As for whether JWs are "Christians," they technically are not because they do not believe in the divinity of Jesus (trinity). They are not considered "Christian" according to basically all the other Christian denominations' theologies. I think JWs themselves (i.e., their theology/doctrine) do not call themselves "Christian" because of some very literal way they read the bible, that's why the term "Jehovah's Witness." But then, many adherents of Jesus in the 1st and 2nd centuries (the early "Christians") did not believe in the trinity or the divinity of Jesus, nor called themselves "Christians," so...? I'd say they were part of the "Jesus movement," as are the JWs as well as the Christians. Back to Prince - I think his spirituality is still way more fluid than even he himself might think. What's all this stuff about chakras and reincarnation? And I think there's been other references from Hinduism besides those. He mixes in lots of ideas that do not seem to be strictly JW, into his songs and his apparent lifestyle.

I read a book called Rock Lives by Timothy White, a Rolling Stone writer, which had interviews and biographies of several Rock Stars. Prince was one of them and it said his grandmother was SDA, his Father and Mother were SDA, and Prince was raised SDA until he was old enough to say goodbye to it. JW is a branch off SDA isn't it?

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Reply #26 posted 04/05/14 4:05pm

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^^ No, JWs are not a branch of the SDAs, nor are they an offshoot of SDAs. Both religions developed in mid-1800s United States, around the time of the Second Great Awakening, a time of particular religious fervor in the U.S. A lot of this fervor coincided with abolitionism and temperance movements, also of the mid-1800s. The SDAs were the first to have integrated (blacks and whites) worship services in the South, which may explain why they were quite a number of African-Americans in this church though many later joined more charismatic black churches. SDAs also advocated temperance - no smoking, drinking, gambling - and took a particular interest in health issues.
They may look similar or like offshoots of each other because of their common origins in 19th century American ideas, the Second Great Awakening, and particularly the "Great Disappointment" of 1844; but they are not directly related to each other and developed separately. The JW religion developed later than SDA, and they were not ever associated with abolitionism - I think Russell began JW in 1880, many years after the Civil War.
They will say that they are different from each other because of their vastly different theological views and especially their eschatology - but to the average disinterested outsider these differences they point out are pretty obtuse and absurd. The biggest theological difference is that other Christians will say SDAs are technically Christian (belief in the trinity, Holy Spirit, valid baptism) and the JWs are not Christian. This is, of course, according to the Christian establishment.

Here's another thing pointed out about JWs by the Christian establishment (this is from Catholic Answers):
Before he got his religious career well underway, Russell (JW founder) promoted what he called "miracle wheat," which he sold at sixty dollars per bushel. He claimed it would grow five times as well as regular wheat. In fact, it grew slightly less well than regular wheat, as was established in court when Russell was sued. Later he marketed a fake cancer cure and what he termed a "millennial bean" (which a wag has said probably got that name because it took a thousand years to sprout).

I have not found anything from the Christian establishment accusing SDA founder(s) of being criminals and/or charlatans, or questioning their moral character or motives, as they imply about JWs and Mormons.
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Reply #27 posted 04/05/14 6:58pm

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I thought they had a dress code. Back on the ONA tour, he was into it. Now? well he doesn't look like any of the JW's who knock on my door, that's for sure.

Maybe he's slacking.

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Reply #28 posted 04/05/14 7:15pm

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Marrk said:

I thought they had a dress code. Back on the ONA tour, he was into it. Now? well he doesn't look like any of the JW's who knock on my door, that's for sure.



Maybe he's slacking.


they don't care long as they get money from him, I believe that cult loves money more than Jesus
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Reply #29 posted 04/07/14 12:10pm

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MIRvmn said:

Marrk said:

I thought they had a dress code. Back on the ONA tour, he was into it. Now? well he doesn't look like any of the JW's who knock on my door, that's for sure.



Maybe he's slacking.


they don't care long as they get money from him, I believe that cult loves money more than Jesus


Agreed
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