Was just listening 2 North... and thinking how many times I've read here that it's a boring, uneventful track... Well, there's not 5 seconds in that track that doesn't have something happening... and still I was wondering how can so many people listen to it and not HEAR it??? No disrespect meant 2 anyone but ain't it sad that we've reached a day and time when people r such in need for cheap thrills that they won't even HEAR the infinite number of musical events in a track such as North and at the same time rave about Lady gaga's songs just because they're catchy and fast (while actulally waaaay more uneventful and repetitive than North)?

One may not like it, that's OK, but saying it's repetitive and boring... well, one has to be deaf or something...

OK, u can flame me now

Wasn't it one groove all the way through? No matter, what you think, you have every reason to call it objectively repetitive.

Concerning its theme north seems to be one of the stronger tracks of the 4 anyway! You can say: it's just too cold to really come alive, lol. It goes on and on with these little variations etc.

Do I want to listen to it? Nah, I don't listen to music which is just there, but doesn't move me at all.

Another Problem of the NEWS recording is its sound. There seems to be no depth behind it. I don't need to discover anything. It's all on the surface. Kinda flat. Don't know how to describe it any better.

Repetition and repetition can be very different things!

funkomatic said:

Wasn't it one groove all the way through? No matter, what you think, you have every reason to call it objectively repetitive.

The same can be said about almost every Prince track from Controversy and Let's Pretend We're Married to Sign "O" The Times and Alphabet St. and so on Actually MUCH MORE happens on North than on Controversy or SOTT in terms of musical events!

If a repetititive groove is a reason to condemn a track then basically u're saying as my father does that no music in human history save classical and pre-1965 jazz deserves recognition... Thing is my dad's a relic of the 19th century and we've gone past all this nonsense a long time ago...

As for the sound IDK, seems pretty 3D to me but maybe that's just me...

I like N.E.W.S. & Lady Gaga.

databank said:

funkomatic said:

Wasn't it one groove all the way through? No matter, what you think, you have every reason to call it objectively repetitive.

The same can be said about almost every Prince track from Controversy and Let's Pretend We're Married to Sign "O" The Times and Alphabet St. and so on Actually MUCH MORE happens on North than on Controversy or SOTT in terms of musical events!

If a repetititive groove is a reason to condemn a track then basically u're saying as my father does that no music in human history save classical and pre-1965 jazz deserves recognition... Thing is my dad's a relic of the 19th century and we've gone past all this nonsense a long time ago...

As for the sound IDK, seems pretty 3D to me but maybe that's just me...

Lol, I just said you can call it that objectively. I didn't judge it. Read my last sentence: there's repetition and there's repetition!

funkomatic said:

databank said:

The same can be said about almost every Prince track from Controversy and Let's Pretend We're Married to Sign "O" The Times and Alphabet St. and so on Actually MUCH MORE happens on North than on Controversy or SOTT in terms of musical events!

If a repetititive groove is a reason to condemn a track then basically u're saying as my father does that no music in human history save classical and pre-1965 jazz deserves recognition... Thing is my dad's a relic of the 19th century and we've gone past all this nonsense a long time ago...

As for the sound IDK, seems pretty 3D to me but maybe that's just me...

Lol, I just said you can call it that objectively. I didn't judge it. Read my last sentence: there's repetition and there's repetition!

Well the whole point if u ask me is that there's JOY in repetition ^^

databank said:

funkomatic said:

Lol, I just said you can call it that objectively. I didn't judge it. Read my last sentence: there's repetition and there's repetition!

Well the whole point if u ask me is that there's JOY in repetition ^^

No seriously what shocks me is that yeah u can say there's repetition and repetition but actually there's no more repetition here than there, it's just than North is a mature man's work and downtempo and intrumental and Let's Pretend We're Married is a horny young man's work and uptempo and with vocals. The energy is very different for sure and both have qualities the other won't have but I think most people - and I'm not necessarly saying YOU - will be impressed by the raw energy and vocals of one and just hear a loop with the other when actually the loop is flourished with many more things and not even so much of a loop at all (Rhonda and John are actually not playing a loop the way a drum machine would: they play many subtle variations).

My point is that people r deaf: they just hear what they've been taught to hear and everything else is just not there for them. U know that's what we're taught when we're taught about teaching a foreign language: students actually don't HEAR the sounds they don't have in their mother tongue and u can repeat such sounds over and over to them they will just not hear them and until u've taught them to hear them u can't expect them to say them. I think it's the same with music.

thedoorkeeper said:

I like N.E.W.S. & Lady Gaga.

Well I really see no qualities in Gaga's work but I like many other silly pop acts so we're at the same place I think

databank said:

funkomatic said:

Lol, I just said you can call it that objectively. I didn't judge it. Read my last sentence: there's repetition and there's repetition!

Well the whole point if u ask me is that there's JOY in repetition ^^

This could be the answer to your question: if you can't find any joy in repetition, it's just what it is a repetition, if there's joy, it is so much more!

the final portion of North is just heavenly

IstenSzek said:

the final portion of North is just heavenly

Too late. Already over the hills and far away.

funkomatic said:

databank said:

Well the whole point if u ask me is that there's JOY in repetition ^^

This could be the answer to your question: if you can't find any joy in repetition, it's just what it is a repetition, if there's joy, it is so much more!

Yeah OK but once again how many people can listen to that track and hear anything but a loop, as in a drum machine? Can u? I think most people just don't hear a damn thing.

databank said:

funkomatic said:

This could be the answer to your question: if you can't find any joy in repetition, it's just what it is a repetition, if there's joy, it is so much more!

Yeah OK but once again how many people can listen to that track and hear anything but a loop, as in a drum machine? Can u? I think most people just don't hear a damn thing.

Well, I think what most people actually hear is the emotional loop of tameness. That's what it makes it kinda uninteresting for me.

I've always thought the idea behind the track is that it's supposed to be like a contemporary, downtempo take on Herbie Hancock's "Chameleon".